From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #145 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, April 3 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 145 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: What is reality? PC NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Re: Diana Krall in Madrid [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] big yellow taxi ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC really...Buses (BYT) [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Married couple (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Peace quote, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["Lori Fye" ] (NJC) Could there be any worse song/album than this? ["Lori Fye" ] Re: listening to Joni when sad [Susan Guzzi ] all this talk about language now....njc ["Lucy Hone" Subject: big yellow taxi >It seems like kids growing up in the 80's and the 90's (on the Whole, based on what I have seen) have grown up in this "throw away society."< In some sense this is may be true as things took a materialistic turn during these decades imo... But I know my son had quite a bit of environmental/conservation education when he was in elementary school... Then again this is california... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:22:30 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC really...Buses (BYT) hi there, I drove a big yellow school bus both summers of my junior and senior college years, for the YMCA in Dorchester MA (an inner city and diverse neighborhood) I picked up a route full in the mornings of both younger and older kids, and then I drove the older kids out to day camp in the woods southwest of Boston. Then after a day a of camp counseling (swimming, archery, softball, and potholders/lanyards, oh, and woodcraft!)) I drove them home again to their neighborhoods. Then, I and Dave Fernie (the other driver, who was my rooomate) drove the two busses back home to Cambridge, where we had arranged to store the busses overnights because the YMCA was getting vandalized a lot. We also used the busses for 'extra' trips, like grocery shopping and taking the transient teens in the local shelters to the beach on weekends. On the way home every night we would travel the length of Mass Ave from Symphony to Harvard Square picking up all the hiitchhikers, and stopping at every bustop as well. Usually, half the bustop would take a chance on a free ride. ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:23:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Married couple (NJC) >I am just so sick of Jesus-obsessed Republicans -- such as "President" Bush and Governor Romney of Massachusetts -- forcing their fundy beliefs on the rest of us. (And speaking of What Would Jesus Do, I don't think he'd be trying to pass amendments to deny rights to anyone.< Or lying or warring... Then again they've been forgiven you know... cuz they believe... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:28:01 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Peace quote, njc ."Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - - -- Albert Einstein, I love that, it is so true... & how ironic they call our war machinery peace keepers... Sick really... Send out the jmdl language patrol I say... >Before I could answer, he quipped: "Don't tell me. It's either something about peace, or Joni Mitchell!"< LOL! I love your story as that sounds like something my son would say! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:45:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC Jerry wondered, about me going to motorcycle college: > Isn't that like a gay man going to Broadway college????? LOL, yes. I suppose it is. Lori, who really does belong to Dykes on Bikes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:50:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC I wrote: > So then ... you feel safer now than you did pre-9/11? Buck responded: > Is this a trick question? :-) NO American will ever feel safer than we > did on 9/10/2001. Good point. Of course I wasn't thinking in terms of how safe I felt on 9/10. I never believed "it couldn't happen here." Never. In fact, I was hardly surprised when it DID happen here. However, I feel significantly less safe since we've gone into Iraq. I think we've escalated the chances/reasons for more terrorism. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:57:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Could there be any worse song/album than this? Honest, I just heard this tonight for the very first time in my life: "Temporary Secretary" from McCartney II, released in 1980. This is possibly the worse musical thing I've EVER heard. In fact the whole album is terrible. What drugs was Paul taking then? (And how on earth could anyone complain about Yoko's music?) Lori, whose partner is about to list that (vinyl) album on eBay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:59:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) Could there be any worse song/album than this? I wrote, in my hasty angst: > This is possibly the worse musical thing I've EVER heard. Of course I meant the WORST. Absolutely the worst. (Or maybe "wurst" is more appropriate.) Anyway, ugh. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:25:42 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: (NJC) Could there be any worse song/album than this? Marijuana- he got busted for it shortly after putting this out, and spent a week in a Japanese jail. One Lennon bio claims that Yoko told the Japanese police that he would be carrying. Lori Fye wrote: >Honest, I just heard this tonight for the very first time in my life: > >"Temporary Secretary" from McCartney II, released in 1980. > >This is possibly the worse musical thing I've EVER heard. In fact the >whole album is terrible. What drugs was Paul taking then? (And how on >earth could anyone complain about Yoko's music?) > >Lori, >whose partner is about to list that (vinyl) album on eBay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:10:20 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: (NJC) Could there be any worse song/album than this? Lori Fye wrote: > Honest, I just heard this tonight for the very first time in my life: > > "Temporary Secretary" from McCartney II, released in 1980. > > This is possibly the worse musical thing I've EVER heard. In fact the > whole album is terrible. Now hold on; there are some nice moments, notably the last song, "One of These Days" which sounds like a song to Lennon, in fact his singing sounds like Lennon. The original LP came with an extra EP with a live version of "Coming Up" that just rocks the house (also available on the "Wingspan" CD set). Also good: "On The Way" and "Waterfalls" which TLC stole part of for their song of the same name. As for "Temporary Secretary", I at least give him points for experimenting. He's done much worse (wurster?) ie "Back To The Egg" and "London Town" albums. As for the Yoko story-I've heard that one, too. Certainly no love was lost between them at the time, hence the instrumental on this album entitled "Frozen Jap" . RR NP-django reinhardt box set blowing my mind all over again ps - for worst ever I would nominate "I'd Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That)" or any other of those horrible songs by Meat Loaf that I hope I never have to hear again! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:34:34 -0800 (PST) From: Deb Subject: listening to Joni when sad Hi, Taking a little poll here. When you are depressed do you find Joni to be helpful or makes you go deeper into your depression? I have found that listening to the demo *It's all over now, Baby Blue*, her Dylan cover to just make those tears fall and fall. Also, when I listen to Amelia, I just want to disappear. I guess I am best off listening to Joni when I am not soo depressed but just a little melancholy. Oh, and Man from Mars, I don't care if it is about a cat, it is unbearable. Debi - one big boo hoo **************************** It's all a dream, She has awoke- Joni Mitchell **************************** Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:41:02 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: listening to Joni when sad Well I find that Joni's music - iparticularly in mine and her early years - to be a place to press my cheek to - when depressed. So did she add to it or allow me to be sad and even sadder? Yes to some degree - but this I believe was in order to let find my bottom and feel safe and comfort myself in that melancholy. It also made me feel not soo alone. Becasue of all the beauty in her words and voice and touch - it gave me some hope and strength for my situation. As I have said from the start here she is my artistic mother and I have found her to take me down yes but to also nurture me and I do wonder - what would I have done or been without her touch on my life - especially in my teen angst? So I guess my answer Deb - is she does both - but with a good resolve. As an adult and now an older adult I can better analyze her impression on me and use her as I see fit. Hell yeah she has helped to complete me - she is in my blood like holy wine! And for all her words of sadness - she sure has come in handy in romancing a new love too! Peace, Susan Deb wrote: Hi, Taking a little poll here. When you are depressed do you find Joni to be helpful or makes you go deeper into your depression? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:47:49 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: all this talk about language now....njc Marianne (treegreen1@hotmail.com) wrote Huge Edit..........".But we, as a country, have not always treated others in other countries judiciously, fairly, humanely and that the media is not permitted to tell us everything, or sometimes they just choose not to. Perhaps others can site things we have done to other nations and to indiviuals.. .Like, the Iran Contra affair, etc.And I believe there is so much we do not even know about our actions as a nation. . Certainly we have tried to do a lot of good as a nation, but we have harmed others too. Yes, let's ask the question. Why the retaliation? Marianne ME NOW........ Excellent point Marianne.... I studied comparative US and UK histories as part of my degree. What struck me about the sources I had to study, which included some of the diaries of the early pioneers who colonised what is now the United States, and those who went to "christianise" the "dark" continents.. was their utter arrogance and belief that "they were right". Somehow the indigenous tribes were "wrong". That their belief systems and ways of living were of no importance. They were feared and therefore an enemy and therefore decimated, captured and used as slave labour, or forced off their land and then arms used against them in WARS because they wanted the "white mans land". I utterly believe that each and everyone of us is starting to have to pay back the bad things that were done all those centuries ago. Karma operates on many and subtle levels. We can argue about the worthiness of politicians, who is left or right or centre. About as far as most of us go (and myself included) is to be vaguely interested in what happened, buy dreamcatchers, african oils, asian and american indian prints, mayeb go and visit a country or two and see the tourist facsimile of "the old ways". We also maybe learn a few recipes, wathc a few documentaries and learn about the things that these vanished civilisations valued, before we came into their worlds and shat all over them. The closest any of us really get is dressingour houses to give and african "feel" or whatever the latest craze is for interior design... Before there is a flood of posts pointing out about ancient cannibals, ritual murder etc., That was their society.. that was how they did things. Who were we to say they were wrong? Eventually they would have looked outside and borrowed from our society what they needed to modernise and join us......But of course...they had things we needed so we went in and did our stuff.... What is happening in Iraq is not an isolated decision to suddenly hurt and hate the WEST. We have bullied, lied, cheated, oppressed, stolen, raped, robbed and ruined just about everything we ever touched. WE have not allowed nations to get on with what they do. The only times we get worried about what is going on is when we are made to sit up and realise that our interests (usually commercial, sometimes illegal and usually at the cost to the host nation) are being threatened. Just think for a moment about what is going on. Rights always carry responsibilities. If we, as two large nations, have decided we have a right to something, then we have got to be prepared to accept responsibility when those rights are questioned and our real motives are shown. Arms, drugs (and not just illegal ones), oil, natural gas, labour.. the things that keep economies moving... that is what our countries are into for the major source of income. Wherever we have purused these on soil that is not our own we have ended up in conflict.... Iraq will drag on for years. It was not about Saddam, it is about oil. America knew that, Britain knew that. it is also about arms, and labour. The PNAC has been in place too long for those who are involved to walk with their heads tall and their hands clean. Britain and America (and the other countries who are in this conflict too) will continue to lose young men and women and (whilst it is a terrible thing to happen) they will be butchered and hung up.... America used to tar and feather and put burning tyres around negroes necks, the IRA did that in Northern Ireland... what did we ever expect? After all.. we are all human.........the Iraqis are no less human than we. AS we sew, so shall we reap, Karma, chickens coming home to roost, however we dress it up it is what we deserve.... We do not have to look very far from home to see what we have done..it is not a big thing to do. England has lived with acts of terrorism from the IRA and its various factions for years and years and years (35 to be precise). We are used to bombings and bomb threats and all that goes with it for something that started back in the 1700's in IRELAND as it was then. I suggest that America gets used to it too. It is a sad world. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:05:24 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 3 On April 3 the following articles were published: 1988: "A Chalk Talk with Joni Mitchell" - San Diego Union-Tribune (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=319 1997: "Exclusive: Joni finds her long-lost child" - Daily Express (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=76 1997: "Joni Mitchell Finds Daughter" - E! Online (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=714 1997: "Joni Mitchell finds her long-lost child" - Electronic Telegraph (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=74 1997: "Mitchell Locates Child" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=818 1997: "Singer Finds Long-Lost Daughter" - Associated Press (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=75 2000: "Joni Mitchell Plans Orchestra-Backed Tour" - Live! Daily Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=483 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #145 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)