From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #144 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 2 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 144 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC speech ["Gillian Apter" ] Re: Sex and the Joni and that strange Valentine's day [Nuriel Tobias ] Gloria Steinem on same-sex marriage [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Statue fund [AsharaJM@aol.com] radical righties njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] big yellow taxi ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: AOL [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: big yellow taxi [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Sex and the Joni and that strange Valentine's day [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC speech [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC speech [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: AOL and Wally -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech ["mi] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #143 sex and joni [Kardinel@aol.com] Fw: Blackwater NJC (for aol, non-mac users) [Emiliano ] Married couple (NJC) [] RE: James Taylor and Mark Knopfler (NJC) [] RE: What is reality? PC, NJC [] RE: radical righties njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: James Taylor and Mark Knopfler (NJC) [] Re: Blackwater NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: Married couple (NJC) [Smurfycopy@aol.com] radical righties njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Peace quote, njc ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: AOL and Wally -- NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] RE: Joni Covers 51 - Fifty-One is Nifty Fun! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joni Covers 51 - Fifty-One is Nifty Fun! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Covers 51 - Fifty-One is Nifty Fun! -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: What is reality? PC NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["Norman Pennington" ] Diana Krall in Madrid [Emiliano ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC [Emiliano ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC [Emiliano ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC [Emiliano ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC [Emiliano ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:47:14 +0200 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: NJC speech Hiya everyone, I've been reading the "speech" with interest and I have a question for you guys in the US. I've often heard Americans use the 3rd conditional like this: If I would have won the lottery, I would have bought a luxury yacht.. Is this correct usage in the States? I know it isn't in the UK. We'd say: If I had won the lottery, I would have bought a luxury yacht. Cheers, Gill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:26:58 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Sex and the Joni and that strange Valentine's day Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: Who knows! If Joni actually talked to Mueller, maybe she'd sleep with you! - --Bob My dear, The only thing that can happen in bed between Joni and myself is that we'll put an ashtray in the middle of it and smoke ourselves to death while she covers "Don't smoke in bed". And i never understood what happened that Valentine's day when "Joni" entered the list and talked to Mueller. If it's not to late to ask, then i'd love to know what was that "thing" all about. And as for you, my dear Jerry - you say she has had a lot of practice. NAMES, please! (and why do i get this feeling that Joni's statue should be in nude, Leonardo style?...) Love, Nuri Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:12:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Blackwater NJC http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/02/opinion/02YEOM.html?th synchronicity. sadly. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > BRYAN8847@aol.com > Enviado el: Viernes, 02 de Abril de 2004 02:09 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Blackwater NJC > > The > potential for the government using such a firm against domestic > "insurgents" comes to > mind (call me paranoid, but stranger things have happened). > > www.blackwaterusa.com > > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 05:23:33 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Gloria Steinem on same-sex marriage I've always found Gloria very perceptive and well spoken, and she still has the knack even at 70. This from her "10 Questions" interview in the latest Time magazine: Q: Do you think the fight to legalize gay marriage is an important battle or a distraction from other, more important women's issues? A: It *is* a women's issue. The idea that sexuality is only O.K. if it ends in reproduction oppresses women - whose health depends on separating sexuality from reproduction - as well as gay men and lesbians. Bush and the right wing have overreached. Even people who oppose same-sex marriage don't want a constitutional amendment. Now me: I had never looked at the issue from that point of view.. Point well taken. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:57:06 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Statue fund In a message dated 4/2/2004 12:18:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, BRYAN8847@aol.com writes: Any more details on what went wrong? Lack of funds? Unable to get local officials or leaders on board? Certainly this project is do-able. All I know is what she wrote me: <> Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:03:22 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: radical righties njc I see the Bush people as radical righties. In my opinion, Bush is a radical guy. Marianne >Debra wrote: >Let's see... all of us Democrats/leftists have disagreed intensely amongst ourselves about going to war in Afghanistan, going to war in Iraq, the role of the U.S. in the world, and specifically the WTC attack, why not everyone votes for the person we truly believe in (such as Kucinich or Nader), and probably other issues I can't recall right now. > >Let's see... all of the Republicans/righties (do you mind if I call you that?) have argued amongst themselves about, what? Nothing. Whatever the Bushies do is fine by them. _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:17:51 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: big yellow taxi Hi all, I have been hearing Big Yellow Taxi by Counting Crows on my local "Soft Rock Station" (just this morning again). And even tho it is not Joni singing, it is so good to hear it. It is good to hear, "they paved paradise and they put up a parking lot. . . why d'ya want to give it, why d'ya want to give it, why d'ya want to give it all a way? . . " Sounds like he's talking about giving up the land AND giving up a lover's relationship at the same time. Written with analogus intention. . . jonistyle Anyway. . . I am happy the song is being played on pop radio now. . . It seems like kids growing up in the 80's and the 90's (on the Whole, based on what I have seen) have grown up in this "throw away society." I like having the song influence people and to teach them about preserving the land. Land preservation is so important, I feel. Reminding others (for some, INTROducing the concept) of preservation (of anything) is important. ps. At first I wrote "Big yellow tax." Which remeinds me that I have got to get my taxes done! Yikes. p.s. again, I know people who are bus drivers. Nowadays bus drivers drive kids all over the place . . to their baby sitters. . to their jobs. to activities. .. So the buses have become. "Big Yellow Taxi's." Anyone know a school bus driver? I knew a whole bunch of them and have found then to be nice down to earth people. conscious of my commas here. . . : -) (I really don't want to over comma. . . seriously) enough with my tangents before breakfast. LOve Marianne _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:09:34 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: AOL In a message dated 3/31/2004 9:19:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsharaJM writes: I guess I'll take some vacation on my forwarding task, now. I mean, Smurphy, will you try to do this, also? Maybe Azeem, Laura, BobSart, Ashara, etc I am getting all of Wally's posts. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:38:14 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: big yellow taxi I think it's a great cover, Marianne...the Crows really rework the song in their own style and because of their integrity as a band they've literally reintroduced the song (and hopefully the concept of ecological preservation) to a new generation. heck, who knows how many will take the next step to investigate the songwriter and stumble upon Joni's body of work! Just yesterday I was talking to my brother-in-law about the Greenville Braves, as they will be moving to Mississippi after this season. He said "well, you know what they say - you don't know what you got til it's gone". Bob NP: Radiohead, "Vegetable" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:43:49 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sex and the Joni and that strange Valentine's day Me too! I don't have any recollection about a Valentines Day encounter with Joni. The one time I met her was on her birthday in 1998. The only physical contact we had was the hand-holding while Pearl took the picture. (Not so fast, Pearl, let me savor the moment!!):~) Bob NP: Radiohead, "Prove Yourself" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:16:48 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC speech Gill writes: << I've often heard Americans use the 3rd conditional like this: If I would have won the lottery, I would have bought a luxury yacht.. Is this correct usage in the States? I know it isn't in the UK. We'd say: If I had won the lottery, I would have bought a luxury yacht. >> Hmm. I have never -- that I can recall, anyway -- heard anyone use the 3rd conditional as in your first sentence. The UK example is what I've always heard here, too. (Except people may say, as Les Ross pointed ouut, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:20:10 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC speech Sorry. That last one got away before I was done. Here's what it should have said: Gill writes: << I've often heard Americans use the 3rd conditional like this: If I would have won the lottery, I would have bought a luxury yacht.. Is this correct usage in the States? I know it isn't in the UK. We'd say: If I had won the lottery, I would have bought a luxury yacht. >> Hmm. I have never -- that I can recall, anyway -- heard anyone use the 3rd conditional as in your first sentence. The UK example is what I've always heard here, too. (Except people may say, as Les Ross pointed out, "I would *of* bought a yacht." Which reminds me, what's with the spelling of "yacht!" - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:30:31 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: AOL and Wally -- NJC Ashara writes: << I guess I'll take some vacation on my forwarding task, now. I mean, Smurphy, will you try to do this, also? Maybe Azeem, Laura, BobSart, Ashara, etc I am getting all of Wally's posts. >> I have put Wally's info in my AOL address book and I am now getting his posts. But Wally USED to be in my address book before my old computer died in December and I didn't get his posts then. What's up with that? Only God and AOL know. Azeem? Laura? BobSart? Have you been able to get Wally's posts? Do you care? - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:55:25 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Garret complained over the >>'misuse of apostrophes; one sees it everywhere. i dont mind email or text msgs, but newspapers, restaurants - everywhere'.<< I'll assume the lack of an apostrophe in 'dont' (sic) was deliberate or ironic or both. Here in Barcelona I am bombarded with tee-shirts, other items of clothing and shop signs which show incorrect use of the apostrophe or possessive letter 's'. Examples? We got 'em. 'Kiddy's Clothes', 'Your crazy', 'Johns Bar', 'Fresh Fruit's' etc. Two other 'pet peeves' (etymology for 'peeve' please) are the Spanish tendency to spell John and Johnny as Jonh or Jhon and Jonnhy/Jhonny and Monty Python is practically always written as Monty Phyton. As for oral and verbal (and aural) it is pretty clear. These are related to the mouth or spoken word, the word, and to the ear or hearing respectively. Poor Chris in Cambridge needs an aural examination to find out why he has an infection in his ear(s). I suppose the giving him an oral examination would not discover the cause of the infection. mike in bcn NP - Ute Lemper - Salomon Song ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:57:04 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #143 sex and joni Personally I think someone's personal life is none of your business. I am sure Joni would find it degrading for you to inquire into her sex life especially since she is a very private person. My advice to you is to get a life of your own. I can see now why I don't read this site very often. Kardinel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:41:59 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Blackwater NJC (for aol, non-mac users) Wally says: > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/02/opinion/02YEOM.html?th > > synchronicity. sadly. > wally > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > BRYAN8847@aol.com > > Enviado el: Viernes, 02 de Abril de 2004 02:09 a.m. > > Para: joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Blackwater NJC > > > > > The > > potential for the government using such a firm against domestic > > "insurgents" comes to > > mind (call me paranoid, but stranger things have happened). > > > > www.blackwaterusa.com > > > > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:14:29 EST From: TinkersOwn@aol.com Subject: Words we usually mispronounce njc >by the way, if you ever come across an English person with the surname - >Featherstonehoff-it is pronounced Fanshaw!!! I kid you not. And if you come across an Englishman whose name is spelt Luxury Yacht, it's pronounced Snake Warbling Mangrove. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:50:07 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Thank you all (NJC) Hi Everybody! Sorry I have not been on before but I have been too busy partying (HUGE SURPRISE) and guess what we had COCKTAILS (HUGE SURPRISE) and I have been way to fecking busy (HUGE SURPRISE) between work and partying that I have not had a chance to thank you all for the wonderful birthday wishes. I am so blessed to have so many friends in this world and I am so grateful for it. I have had tons of great dinners and gatherings with friends over the last few days (HUGE SURPRISE) of course celebrating by my birthday week instead of just the day. Next year I will be celebrating starting a new tradition of celebrating all the month of March (HUGE SURPRISE). Today we are having a Crawfish Boil starting at 2pm and you are all invited. Love to all. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:23:22 -0600 From: Subject: Married couple (NJC) Smurfy wrote: "So you may be a "married couple" in your eyes, in your boss' eyes, and in God's eyes, but that's about as far as it is likely to go in the near future." But. . .twenty years ago, who would have thought that Lori's boss would have referred to Lori and Mary as a "married couple"? Who would have thought that, despite polls indicating that a majority in the U.S. still opposes gay marriage, a great number do support civil unions? And who would have thought that the youngest adult adult--the 18-29 year-olds, and the lawmakers of 10-30 years from now--overwhelmingly accept diverse sexualities as a normal part of life? It would be nice, and utterly fitting, if justice could be done today. Unfortunately, that is looking extremely unlikely. However, I am increasingly convinced that it will be done in my lifetime. And sometimes, I even think it will be done sooner, rather than later. - --The Other Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:30:51 -0600 From: Subject: RE: James Taylor and Mark Knopfler (NJC) Jim Lamadoo wrote: "It sounds like you discovered the track about the explorer/surveyor team called Mason/Dixon. I like that track and was happy to "find" it on the 2nd disc of the limited edition of OCTOBER ROAD. I think the track is called "Sailing To Philadelphia". (That city name has appeared twice in a single hour which is an amazing coincidence!)" Yes, that's "Sailing to Philadelphia," a truly lovely track from Knopfler's 2000 (I think) CD of the same name. JT is used on the song to memorable effect as the "dreamer," Charlie Mason. In fact, the entire album is quite strong, although that's the only track JT appears on. I recommend it. Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:41:03 -0600 From: Subject: RE: What is reality? PC, NJC Victor wrote, and Jerry responded: "> I don't see how Kakki's statement is in any way prejudiced or what is > astonishing. All she was saying is how she perceives people who are part > of a particular political party. Isn't she allowed to have an opinion? Yes, as well as we have to comment on it. My problem with Kakki's statement is that it implies that what makes leftists different from rightists, is that they appear shrill, angry, and relentless. Have we never observed a rightist who was shrill, angry, and relentless? Please!" Me now, in response to Jerry: that would be my take on it. We've all known people from a variety of political stripes who exhibit those traits, which certainly aren't limited to the left: witness Ann Coulter exploiting them all the way to the bank (and yes, I am well aware that there are those on the left doing exactly the same thing). To say that only one side claims "my way or the highway" seems to ignore not only reality, but human nature. I also think that it's human nature to magnify our perception of that tendency in those who don't agree with us. My two cents! Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:44:59 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: radical righties njc SO are you saying you find Bush the president...excellent and admirable? Care to clarify? Bree >I see the Bush people as radical righties. > >In my opinion, Bush is a radical guy. > > >Marianne > > >>Debra wrote: > >>Let's see... all of us Democrats/leftists have disagreed intensely amongst >ourselves about going to war in Afghanistan, going to war in Iraq, the role >of the U.S. in the world, and specifically the WTC attack, why not everyone >votes for the person we truly believe in (such as Kucinich or Nader), and >probably other issues I can't recall right now. >> >>Let's see... all of the Republicans/righties (do you mind if I call you >that?) have argued amongst themselves about, what? Nothing. Whatever the >Bushies do is fine by them. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans >available. >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:46:33 -0600 From: Subject: RE: James Taylor and Mark Knopfler (NJC) Oops: I submitted my little blurb on _Sailing to Philadelphia_ before I read Hell's post, which included a summary of the album from Amazon.com. - --What she said. ;-) Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:56:07 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Blackwater NJC hello again, just visited the web site. in any other country blackwater could be described as a terrorist group and training camp. thanks gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: Blackwater NJC > The murder and mutilation of the four American civilians in Iraq this week > was disgusting, of course. After it was reported that they were employees of a > private security services firm called Blackwater, I became curious and looked > them up on the web. Check out the site, it's fascinating....in a dark way. I'm > troubled just by the existence of this company and similar ones. The > potential for the government using such a firm against domestic "insurgents" comes to > mind (call me paranoid, but stranger things have happened). > > www.blackwaterusa.com > > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:58:36 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Married couple (NJC) Mary writes: << It would be nice, and utterly fitting, if justice could be done today. Unfortunately, that is looking extremely unlikely. However, I am increasingly convinced that it will be done in my lifetime. And sometimes, I even think it will be done sooner, rather than later. >> I agree completely, Mary. I am just so sick of Jesus-obsessed Republicans -- such as "President" Bush and Governor Romney of Massachusetts -- forcing their fundy beliefs on the rest of us. (And speaking of What Would Jesus Do, I don't think he'd be trying to pass amendments to deny rights to anyone.) Ten or thirty years from now Bush and those of his ilk will generally look as foolish and hateful for their actions as George Wallace now looks for what he did in the 60s. Any two idiots -- as in the popular example of Britney Speers and her husband of 48 hours or so -- can get hitched as long as they are male and female. But same-sex couples who have been together for any length of time are denied this basic right. The injustice of it all makes me want to hurl. And where among the overly slick politicians of today is the courage to stand up for what is right? Do I expect too much from the phrase "liberty and justice for all?" - --Smurf, an unclaimed treasure who's fast turning into Eleanor Rigby while waiting . . . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:59:23 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: radical righties njc I think you know what I mean, love. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Bree Mcdonough" To: treegreen1@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: radical righties njc Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:44:59 -0500 SO are you saying you find Bush the president...excellent and admirable? Care to clarify? Bree >I see the Bush people as radical righties. > >In my opinion, Bush is a radical guy. > > >Marianne > > >>Debra wrote: > >>Let's see... all of us Democrats/leftists have disagreed intensely amongst >ourselves about going to war in Afghanistan, going to war in Iraq, the role >of the U.S. in the world, and specifically the WTC attack, why not everyone >votes for the person we truly believe in (such as Kucinich or Nader), and >probably other issues I can't recall right now. >> >>Let's see... all of the Republicans/righties (do you mind if I call you >that?) have argued amongst themselves about, what? Nothing. Whatever the >Bushies do is fine by them. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans >available. >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:34:00 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Peace quote, njc Yes, Kate! Have you seen this quote around? It's my favorite: "Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding." - -- Albert Einstein I like it so much that I bought the pin and stuck it on a wall-hanging in my kitchen. And now to tie this to Joni just a teeny bit.....my 25-year old son Chris (who loves loves loves to tease me!) was over for dinner recently with his new girlfriend. He noticed something new on the wall-hanging (the pin) and squinted at it, saying: "What does that pin say? I can't read it from here." Before I could answer, he quipped: "Don't tell me. It's either something about peace, or Joni Mitchell!" Ah, he knows me well. Peace (and Joni!), Patti _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:17:50 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: AOL and Wally -- NJC In a message dated 02/04/2004 15:32:02 GMT Daylight Time, Smurfycopy@aol.com writes: > Azeem? Laura? BobSart? Have you been able to get Wally's posts? Do you > care? > > Yes indeed, they have miraculously started reapearing in my in-box! Azeem in London NP: Julee Cruise - The Art Of Being A Girl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:26:07 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Joni Covers 51 - Fifty-One is Nifty Fun! Bob...you are terrific!! I'm enjoying this one so much. Yes..after hearing Tea Leaf Prophecy by these two women I have a new..and deeper love for this song. (I've played it a good twenty times) IT is simply gorgeous!! AND...Mandy Moore's cover of Help Me...this is the first time I 've heard someday coming close to capturing it the way Joni does. I was so excited when I played this the other day... I wanted to post immediately BUT I didn't want to steal your thunder. David Frizzell cover has really grown on me too. Thanks!! Love.. Bree Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Joni Covers 51 - Fifty-One is Nifty Fun! >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:39:02 EST > >Well, March may be over, but the march of Joni covers is far from done. And >April showers us with yet another original collection of recordings from >folks >around the world, all celebrating our favorite composer. As is my custom, >first things first...thanks to these wonderful folks who contributed >recordings: > >Russ 'Coco Nutz' Bowden >Susan Moss >Laurent Olszer >Thierry Antoine >Dennis Weston > >Well, let's crank up the old victrola and give it a spin, shall we? > >1. Big & Little Choruses, M.H. Stanley Intermediate School - Dreamland: >This >is a cover of the Roger McGuinn cover, hence the glut of wah-wah guitar and >the "Errol Flynn" sarong. Gotta love it. >2. Silvio Cipriani Orchestra - Both Sides Now: This one answers the musical >question "what would BSN sound like if it had been used as the theme song >for >The Munsters?" >3. David Frizzell - A Case Of You: Another oddball. I remember David from >his >country duets with Dottie West, so this one really comes off as a bizarre >choice for a cowboy type, but he deletes the opening verse about that sissy >country Canada so he still retains his machismo. >4. Jade - Big Yellow Taxi: A late 60's pop-folk-psych version from the UK, >fortunately re-released last year on cd, so I didn't have to chase it down >quite >as hard. >5. MPE Band - Twisted: A really fun take on the Ross-Gray classic, check >out >the subliminal backing vocals for bonus yucks. And all the more fun as it's >never been released by the band, another Joni-cover exclusive! >6. Cris Williamson/Holly Near - The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms): >I've said a lot about this one already, I'll simply add that this cover has >brought me to a deeper appreciation of the song. >7. Vince Hill - Both Sides Now: Not to be confused with Vince Gill, who's >married to Amy Grant, who recorded BYT a while ago. I would have sworn this >was >Anthony Newley if I didn't know better. >8. Rudy Linka - California: This Polish jazz trio turns in an ace knockout >instrumental of a Joni song that hasn't gotten it's fair coverage yet, >probably >because its so darn hard to sing. >9. Yoghill - Harry's House >10. Yoghill - The Silky Veils of Ardor: Yoghill is really a French >singer/songwriter (and JMDL'er) by the name of Theirry Antoine. He is >insanely talented, >and sings, plays all the instruments and produced these recordings. And as >you can see, he has a preference to going off the beaten path to record >some of >Joni's lesser-covered stuff. We'll be hearing more from him on future >volumes >too! >11. Patty Weaver - Both Sides Now: I like this one; Patty's got a dynamo >Broadway kind of voice, and she does enough unique things with the vocal >arrangement to make her take on the franchise swing. >12. The Kids Pick Singers - Big Yellow Taxi: The downside to the Counting >Crows BYT is that its starting to spawn a host of these "kids" recordings >of >their cover. Covers of covers of covers - yikes! Hey, at least Joni's >reaping the >benefits. >13. Steve Lacy - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: Steve's a soprano saxman from way >back, he's into his 6th decade of recording. This is a very mellow and oh >so fine >live recording, a duet that also features Eric Watson playing piano. >14. Tribe - Urge For Going: This one is very pretty, the vocalist reminds >me >a bit of Greg Lake, his voice has that warmth to it. And the vocal is >surrounded by a variety of acoustic instruments. More great Joni music from >France. >15. Ed Bruce - Both Sides Now: See #3 above...Ed is a country-western guy, >and he definitely puts that spin on his BSN. Make me wanna smoke a Marlboro >and >put on a bandana. >16. Doris Hardoon - Conversation: A lovely and very true-to-the-original >version of the LOTC classic, Doris is an Asian folk artist, but you'd never >know >it by her vocal which is very pure sounding. She's also very easy on the >eyes, >but you'd never know that unless I left one of the o's out of her last >name. >17. The Bates College Merimanders - Big Yellow Taxi: Yawn. C'mon you guys, >it's supposed to be fun...put some pep into it! And what the hell is a >Merimander anyway? Sounds too much like salamander to me. >18. Azure McCall - Hissin' Summer Lawns: Ahhh, this one's more like it. >Lovely lovely hawaaian jazz, also very true to the original but when the >original >is so fine, that's a lofty compliment indeed. >19. Mandy Moore - Help Me: And this one's in the same category...Mandy's >mssion was to introduce some great songs and great songwriters to her >generation, >so my hat's off to her. Hey, she did an XTC cover too. She basically sticks >to >Joni's version, with just a slightly updated sound. >20. Titti Breitholtz - Both Sides Now: This one's OK. I can't help but >think >though that if she had Doris' last name, Titti Hardoon sounds like a good >name >for a James Bond girl. >21. Susuma Yokota - Kodomotachi: A bonus track. I don't really count this >one >as a Joni cover, but it's cool in it's own right. It's an >electronic-ambient >thing, featuring a Japanese voice chanting "songs to aging children come" >over >the flowing music. Zen Joni! > >Well, 21 tracks is plenty, I'd better stop now so I'll have more goodies >for >May. If you're interested in getting a copy of this (or any) volume in >what's >been called (by me) the GREATEST COMPILATION IN ROCK AND ROLL HISTORY, just >drop me a line and we'll work it out. Until next month, be cool and keep >those >Joni covers playing! > >Bob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:47:14 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: all this talk about language now....njc Kate said: >Following 9/11 >my gut feeling was that we needed to take the difficult high road & get >an understanding of why this had happened. Many interpreted this kind >of thinking as unpatriotic & supportive of terrorism. There was nothing acceptable about the attack of 9/11. But yes, let's try and evaluate why it is that people hate us and why some are putting forth so much effort at retaliation. It reminds me of this: When I was 17 I worked all day one Saturday at my job at a movie theatre. Well, on the way home I got a speeding ticket (darn it, I wasn't going that fast). . . and I had to pay a 65 dollar fine. Well, I paid that ticket and then a month later I got a notice that the bill hadn't been paid and I would have to pay it again! I didn't even earn all of $65 that entire day. I didn't save the receipt, so guess what? You can't fight city hall. Well, was I ever angry. I felt that justice was not done and there was no way to recoup my having to pay this twice. To this day I feel that I was mistreated. When I was a kid ("as a child I saw it face to face") I understood how one COULD try take justice into their own hands. Well, now ("when I became a woman," sorry I could not resist) I try to think that justice will always be done on a higher spiritual plain. But we, as a country, have not always treated others in other countries judiciously, fairly, humanely. And I believe there is so much we do not even know about our actions as a nation. . . and that the media is not permitted to tell us everything, or sometimes they just choose not to. Perhaps others can site things we have done to other nations and to indiviuals.. . Like, the Iran Contra affair, etc. Certainly we have tried to do a lot of good as a nation, but we have harmed others too. Yes, let's ask the question. Why the retaliation? Marianne >>I firmly believe that the key to peace on earth is to learn about >>other languages and cultures and societies. >Hi Patti! I whole heartedly agree with you on the above statement! I >have always felt that the citizens in our country need to understand >other cultures better. Whether by travel or by study. Following 9/11 >my gut feeling was that we needed to take the difficult high road & get >an understanding of why this had happened. Many interpreted this kind >of thinking as unpatriotic & supportive of terrorism. Sigh... One >person even told me that we needed to attack all the 'islams' cuz they >attacked us... Yes, learning about other cultures would lead to a more >peaceful world... >Kate _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:30:37 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers 51 - Fifty-One is Nifty Fun! Bree writes: << Bob...you are terrific!! >> I was about to say thanks to Bree, then I figured out that this is for the other Bob M. and I am Smurf now anyway! So tell us, Bob, how can we get our own copies of Volume 51? Will there be a free giveaway? Is "free giveaway" redundant? - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:40:02 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: bette midler on gay marriage - njc Smurf wrote: > So you may be a "married couple" in your eyes, in your boss' eyes, and in > God's eyes, but that's about as far as it is likely to go in the near future. I realize all of that, Bob, and I write to all of my representatives and senators on a regular basis. I was simply pleased that my boss, a principal of my company and a str8 woman who admitted to me some months back that she hasn't always been open-minded about homosexuals, would say such a thing in front of two other company principals (one of them her husband). And neither of those men batted an eye. It's nice to be accepted by my employers and colleagues. Which leads me to believe, regardless of all the insane blather of the very wrong political "right" ... our turn will come. - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:40:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: What is reality? NJC Kakki >Yes. And as for the nastiness of the political season, wouldn't it be nice if we could all restrain ourselves here and not be complicit in the shit stirring?< Absolutely... It does not have to be nasty if people respond with opinions & stay away from making nasty personal remarks & jabs, whether subtle or overt... > I do expect to pull the plug here at some point as the election gets closer. Reading too much of the gnashing and flaying becomes like a poison to the system and is debilitating.< This type of comment only fuels the nastiness imo Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:13:57 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers 51 - Fifty-One is Nifty Fun! Of course, I'm always open to getting a blank cd & return postage, or you can Paypal or send me $3 to cover all the costs. Contact me off list for more info. I stopped doing the giveaways because there was not a lot of interest, plus I never heard back from most of the people who I'd send copies to, so I just took RLJ's advice "don't give it away if they don't appreciate it". I would say that "free giveaway" is indeed redundant, but then again so is dying in Cleveland. Bob NP: Bonnie Raitt, "Under The Falling Sky" 2/22/72 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:20:10 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers 51 - Fifty-One is Nifty Fun! -- NJC Bob writes: << I stopped doing the giveaways because there was not a lot of interest >> Is it "Dreamland" from "Don Juan's Restless Daughter?" Have a great weekend, Bob and everyone else! XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:24:02 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC Buck wrote: > BUT...I feel the Bush Doctrine is the best answer to the national > security/terrorism issue. So then ... you feel safer now than you did pre-9/11? Lori, off to motorcycle college in 7 minutes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:39:59 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC > Buck wrote: > >> BUT...I feel the Bush Doctrine is the best answer to the national >> security/terrorism issue. > > So then ... you feel safer now than you did pre-9/11? > > Lori, > off to motorcycle college in 7 minutes > Isn't that like a gay man going to Broadway college????? Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:09:43 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC Lori said: > Buck wrote: > > > BUT...I feel the Bush Doctrine is the best answer to the national > > security/terrorism issue. > > So then ... you feel safer now than you did pre-9/11? > Is this a trick question? :-) NO American will ever feel safer than we did on 9/10/2001. The prevailing opinion, however misguided, was "it can't happen here." Well, it did. And chances are we will see other attacks before this is all over. Given all the positive actions Bush & Co have taken since 9/11, I would answer you with a "yes." But none of us, anywhere, are truly "safe." This is gonna be a long, long war. I'm glad Bush is leading it. Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:53:17 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC Well of course not, But I can "safely" say that my level of fear is the same as it was pre 9/11, that is to say it's pretty darn low. The odds of my being harmed in a terrorist event are astronomically lower than being killed by a member of my own family. And yet at night I go to sleep with these prospective killers in my home with me! Go figure. I don't know what the point of any of this is, except to say that living in a state of fear sucks and I'm not about to start now. Another President once said "we have nothing to fear but fear itself". In order for Bush to win he's going to try and keep the fear factor high, and he will, and I think he'll probably win in November. Now THERE'S something to fear, although I suppose I should be happy as I'm currently buying armored SUV's and PPE (personal protective equipment) to ship to the Fluor forces in Kuwait & Baghdad. Bush & Co. spells job security for me, but I'd much rather be working on another pharmaceutical plant. Bob NP: Bonnie Raitt, "Gnawin' On It" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:08:47 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC Bob writes: << The odds of my being harmed in a terrorist event are astronomically lower than being killed by a member of my own family. And yet at night I go to sleep with these prospective killers in my home with me! >> And don't forget about us, Bob! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:28:46 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: "probably the only man alive who should be allowed to sing Joni Mitchell songs." Whoever said that never met Les Ross! From a story about Tom Rush at: < http://www.adn.com/weekend/story/4914036p-4848581c.html >> In the mid-1960s, Rush met singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell. A Chicago Tribune critic once wrote Rush is "probably the only man alive who should be allowed to sing Joni Mitchell songs." That might be because Rush was among the very first to do so, with recordings of her "The Circle Game" and "Urge for Going": "I woke up today and found frost perched on the town/ It hovered in a frozen sky and gobbled summer down/ When the sun turns traitor cold/ And all the trees are shivering in a naked row/ I get the urge for going, but I never seem to go." On his "Circle Game" album, Rush recorded songs by Mitchell and fellow newcomers Jackson Browne and James Taylor. In an interesting side note, the cover photo was taken by Linda Eastman (soon to be McCartney) and is of Rush and the woman for whom he wrote "No Regrets." Taylor and Garth Brooks cite Rush as among their major musical influences. He also introduced singers such as Nanci Griffith and Shawn Colvin to larger audiences through what he billed as his Club 47 concerts, which featured multiple performers. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:45:35 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: radical righties njc Yes, love, you think. But, I always think "radical", really, is someone who goes to the core of it, to the "radice" (root) to really understand state of things: to care for if the leaves are clean, to take positive actions (and I mean positive not only as factual, or even active: two redundances). I don't know many radical righties , and bushie? Don't make me laugh! I recall in my youth they used to make equal "anarchist" and "terrorist". From some years on it seems "radical" is the tendency's name for that whipping boy role of being made "synonimus" with terror... At least here, in Europe, I always dismiss people using "radical" name in vain. that makes me remember that "conservative" one: where will lead us their hunger? What they want to preserve? Maybe the gold mines where no life grows. in fact, we always think in french when we hear this: "Cons!" Smile! Emiliano NP: Get Together, Newport Fest. '69 PS: Tolerance towards the persons, not to "each and everyone" of the ideas! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Marianne Rizzo" Para: ; Enviado: viernes, 02 de abril de 2004 18:59 Asunto: radical righties njc > I think you know what I mean, love. > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Bree Mcdonough" > To: treegreen1@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: radical righties njc > Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:44:59 -0500 > > SO are you saying you find Bush the president...excellent and admirable? > Care to clarify? > > > Bree > > > >I see the Bush people as radical righties. > > > >In my opinion, Bush is a radical guy. > > > > > >Marianne [...] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:46:18 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Diana Krall in Madrid Hi, folks! From yesterday (or so) El Pais' review of DK's concert to the press: "Correct rendition of Joni Mitchell's Black Crow". More interesting is the weekend's special interview: of course after remarking the Covers in her The Girl In The Room Hey, Temptation, Bob! Goes on... >>Music isn't the only universe in wich DK centers her life (sic)[...] "-- So what if clothes give me crazy? I go mad about them, and I've said many times that is fundamental in my career, since I knew Natalie Cole [she feels obliged to say she's the daughter of great Nat King, kind girl Diana] in a dressing room." But now she's relaxing this trend, she says. "--I don't care so much, anymore. Now my model is Joni Mitchell, who with 60 years shows one can be great [Wally, how to translate "estar estupenda"?] and never have been slave to the fashion" hmmm, don't trust much in this two-side translation, eh? Peace & Joni! Emiliano NP: Carey, The Troubadour, LA, '72; thanks, D! btw, what a slow show ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:46:52 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC Bob says: [...] > I don't know what the point of any of this is, except to say > that living in a state of fear sucks and I'm not about to > start now. Another President once said "we have nothing to fear > but fear itself". In order for Bush to win he's going to try > and keep the fear factor high, [...] Hi, I need to know the source of this great statement! "We have nothing to fear but fear itself" I remember being conscious of it in Win Wenders (& Patricia Highsmith)'s Amerikanische Freund and, at that long past time, in Peter Gabriel II album. So please more info on it: "We have nothing to fear but fear itself" indeed, as you wisely said: "dying somewhere" is redundant, let us hope there will be no more, no more violent deaths! BTW: is true people are calling us - Cowards? don't let me start on this ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:30:49 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC Hi, many thanks! I've already supposed it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. (but, that discourse from first JFK, could I find my Owen Meany copy?...) btw, i've got a .doc about GWB's Greatest Hits, that is... Have a Wonderful time! And Feel the Hope, the Pride! Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: sabado, 03 de abril de 2004 2:00 Asunto: Re: What is reality? PC NJC > > << "We have nothing to fear but fear itself" >> > > I believe this was said by American president FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT in a > radio address to the American people during World War II. Someone else will be > more sure than I. If not Roosevelt, maybe Winston Churchill. But I am pretty sure > it was FDR. > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:31:01 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC Hi, many thanks! I've already supposed it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. (but, that discourse from first JFK, could I find my Owen Meany copy?...) btw, i've got a .doc about GWB's Greatest Hits, that is... Have a Wonderful time! And Feel the Hope, the Pride! Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: sabado, 03 de abril de 2004 2:00 Asunto: Re: What is reality? PC NJC > > << "We have nothing to fear but fear itself" >> > > I believe this was said by American president FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT in a > radio address to the American people during World War II. Someone else will be > more sure than I. If not Roosevelt, maybe Winston Churchill. But I am pretty sure > it was FDR. > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:31:04 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC Hi, many thanks! I've already supposed it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. (but, that discourse from first JFK, could I find my Owen Meany copy?...) btw, i've got a .doc about GWB's Greatest Hits, that is... Have a Wonderful time! And Feel the Hope, the Pride! Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: sabado, 03 de abril de 2004 2:00 Asunto: Re: What is reality? PC NJC > > << "We have nothing to fear but fear itself" >> > > I believe this was said by American president FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT in a > radio address to the American people during World War II. Someone else will be > more sure than I. If not Roosevelt, maybe Winston Churchill. But I am pretty sure > it was FDR. > > --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #144 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)