From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #142 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 1 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 142 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["Kakki" ] James Taylor and Mark Knopfler (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: words we usually mispronounce - and pet peeves about speech NJC [Chri] Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: words we usually mispronounce - and pet peeves about speech NJC ["hel] Re: Listening to Jonatha's latest CD (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE; Covers 51 [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: RE; Covers 51 NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The big 50! [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: RE; Covers 51 -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: RE; Covers 51 NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["tantra_apso" ] bette midler on gay marriage - njc [AsharaJM@aol.com] Dan Peek, America and Joni ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: The big 50! ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: The big 50! - oops ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: What is reality? PC NJC ["tantra_apso" ] mark or travis!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] The big 50! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: wilderland [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] new releases & reissues NJC ["ron" ] new releases njc - addition - sarah harmer on dvd ["ron" ] Re: Listening to Jonatha's latest CD (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Re: bette midler on gay marriage - njc [Lori Fye Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC I wrote: > > I almost hope the Democrats/leftists > > take over the whole world at this point. > > One world one thought. Debra wrote: > Let's see... all of us Democrats/leftists have disagreed intensely amongst ourselves about going to war in Afghanistan, going to war in Iraq, the role of the U.S. in the world, and specifically the WTC attack, why not everyone votes for the person we truly believe in (such as Kucinich or Nader), and probably other issues I can't recall right now. > > Let's see... all of the Republicans/righties (do you mind if I call you that?) have argued amongst themselves about, what? Nothing. Whatever the Bushies do is fine by them. > > So, "one world one thought" might be something you need to worry about helping along, Kakki. First of all, it was Azeem who lumped them together and after reading his long rebuke of me, I mentally threw up my hands and tossed off that remark. It was not meant to be taken seriously. More like my own hyperbolic defense (twisted humor) against the usual double and triple teaming I receive from the usual participants when something I say purportedly offends them (which is most everything). I personally perceive Democrats and "leftists" to be two different political categories and overall think Democrats are solidly honorable people who do much good in our society. "Leftists" are different - they often appear radical, shrill, angry and relentless "my way or the highway and I will keep beating on you until you submit, agree or shut up." Then they turn around and publically pride themselves on being tolerant and seeking peace and social justice. They do scare me at times. Because we have a two main party system party the other parties have to pretty much side with one or the other when it comes to voting even though neither party fulfills all of their values or reflects their views. Libertarians (favoring small or miniscule government control, individual and consitutional rights) and Conservative relgious groups (wanting to side with the group who they feel is more likely to support and uphold religious freedoms) affiliate with the Republicans, but both the Libertarians and Conservative religious groups are often very disappointed and angry at the Republican party. They are too big government and compromising for the Libertarians and too socially liberal on many issues for the Conservative religious groups. Along with the garden variety moderate Republicans, they are three distinct groups who, nevertheless, mostly vote together, making the best of the system before them. This is a simplistic explanation but you get the gist of it. That's why it is a gross oversimplication and inaccurate to identify all Republicans as the "Religious Right" just as it is an oversimplication and often inaccurate to say Democrats = Leftists. I'm sure you could also define the differences among the groups that vote for the Democratic party. I can define them to some extent, but someone from that party could probably do a better job at it. > It might surprise you to know, Kakki, and it's a sign of the right-wing's ignorance and the fear-driven control by the right-wing media, that liberal thinking does not equal Marxism. I absolutely agree that liberal thinking does not equal Marxism. Liberal thought is the antithesis of Marxism. >Going even further, Marxism DOES NOT EQUAL totalitarianism. Every example of the practice of Marxism in recent history shows that it results or devolves into totalitarianism. It has to become fascist to survive economically and as an ideology. Any and all who disagree with the *one-party* state must be silenced, imprisoned or put away because alternative economic or idealogical ideas are a threat to its very existence and individual rights are a threat to collective rights. To me this is so basic to understand and I don't know why it is not as clear to others. > There's more to fear from the religious right in this country (or should I just call them facists?) than there will ever be here from Marxists. There are a lot of ways to interpret this statement - but I won't venture to try. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:19:44 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: James Taylor and Mark Knopfler (NJC) Are collaborating, it seems. Just heard a song on t'radio this morning which was rather nice. I didn't recognise the singer as being JT, but I did think the guitar sounded like Knopfler. So when it was announced that it was JT and MK, I was doubly surprised (a) that they were collaborating and (b) that I was right about the guitar! Does anyone know anything more about this collaboration? MK's website appears to be the slowest thing on earth, so I gave up on it. - --Chris... at home with an ear infection :( chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:24:36 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce - and pet peeves about speech NJC On 1 Apr 2004, at 8:35, Ross, Les wrote: > In recent years i've noticed that instead of saying 'should have' or > 'would > have', people are saying 'should of' or 'would of'! I've even seen > this in > print in the newspapers and in novels. It got to the point, because > I'm far > from bullish about my aptitude with the english language, where I > wondered > if this particular corruption was 'correct'. I wondered if maybe I'd > missed > or 'vagued out' the english class wherein the verb 'to of' was > accounted for > in its usage. I wonder if this is due to the use, in speech, of should've could've for should have and could have. The phonetic for gets fixed in the heads of those with a less than rigorous english language education and, voila, could of and should of are the result. Regarding Garret's point about apostrophes, we've got some signs on the wall which talk about some things in the plural. With apostrophes. *scream* - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:05:05 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC Debra again: > There's no give and take between anyone who claims as you do to have the "facts" and dismisses any other view as "opinions" or "spin." I don't think I have ever made such a global statement here but maybe you are being hyperbolic. Some people goad or challenge me into a debate or to prove myself and then cite Michael Moore or a political opinion writer declaratively as the source of truth on whatever world event is currently on their radar. I often try to put up sources like actual transcripts, congressional testimony, government statistics, legal findings, etc. that serve to show what actually happened or why it happened. Shouldn't so many of these serious issues and events be subject to empirical investigation? >So, I agree, there's no point in discussing some things anymore. Yes. And as for the nastiness of the political season, wouldn't it be nice if we could all restrain ourselves here and not be complicit in the shit stirring? (Half kidding). I do expect to pull the plug here at some point as the election gets closer. Reading too much of the gnashing and flaying becomes like a poison to the system and is debilitating. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:05:06 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: James Taylor and Mark Knopfler (NJC) Chris wrote: > Are collaborating, it seems. Just heard a song on t'radio this morning > which was rather nice. I didn't recognise the singer as being JT, but > I did think the guitar sounded like Knopfler. So when it was announced > that it was JT and MK, I was doubly surprised (a) that they were > collaborating and (b) that I was right about the guitar! > > Does anyone know anything more about this collaboration? MK's website > appears to be the slowest thing on earth, so I gave up on it. I couldn't find much on this on James Taylor's website (other than the song is included on the Special Limited Edition Package of JT's most recent album, October Road), but I found this Amazon review for Knopfler's album "Sailing To Philadelphia", released in 2000: "Former Dire Straits leader Mark Knopfler's second proper solo album (he's remained preoccupied with soundtrack work through the years) is a stirring and considered set of transatlantic blues. The collection is bolstered by contributions from Van Morrison ("The Last Laugh") and James Taylor (the title track), while Knopfler's guitar playing remains fresh and alive as he merges country and folk picking with electric blues. But it's as a writer that he really impresses: "Baloney Again" is a sensitive portrayal of a black gospel outfit in Jim Crow America; the title track is an intriguing distillation of Thomas Pynchon's doorstopper novel, Mason & Dixon; and "Silvertown Blues" is a stirring appreciation of blue-collar endeavor. A lovingly and honestly crafted collection, Sailing to Philadelphia shows Knopfler's talent and commitment remain as strong as ever." I was never much of a fan of Dire Straits, but I am a fan of Knopfler, especially the soundtrack he did for Local Hero. The movie was great, too! Hell P.S. Hope the ear infection clears up quickly! ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:30:44 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce - and pet peeves about speech NJC Les wrote: > In recent years i've noticed that instead of saying 'should have' or 'would > have', people are saying 'should of' or 'would of'! I've even seen this in > print in the newspapers and in novels. It got to the point, because I'm far > from bullish about my aptitude with the english language, where I wondered > if this particular corruption was 'correct'. I wondered if maybe I'd missed > or 'vagued out' the english class wherein the verb 'to of' was accounted for > in its usage. This is pretty common in certain "areas" of New Zealand. Without sounding patronising (or class-ist!), it's generally those less educated persons who are mainly responsible! Another thing that I've always wondered about, is the phrase "trying to do something". Quite often I'll hear (or read) something like "He's going to try and do something". But to me (logically) you don't try AND do something - you try TO do something. Or am I not understanding this correctly? Hell - who found a couple more classic "Kath and Kim" examples the other day - Kath (to Kim): "What does that pacifically entail?" and (as a voice-over) - Kath: "I'm really just a foxymoron". I wish everyone could see this series - it would illustrate all these points wonderfully! ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:40:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Listening to Jonatha's latest CD (NJC) **But for the most part, I feel like something is lacking in the production of this album.** Thanks for your thoughts, Neil. You've obviously given this more ear-time than I have. I was so turned off by the 'sound' of it I didn't dig any deeper. You at least have done that. Whether it was the blandness of the production or the mediocrity of the material or both, I'm unsure. Perhaps she will be able to ressurect these songs onstage, as I say I hope she can salvage this project in some way as I consider myself a big fan of hers. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:43:07 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE; Covers 51 Hey Bob, Is that the same Patty Weaver that plays Gena on "The Hung And The Breathless"? I met her in Dallas back in !979 her manager was a good friend of my friend. We had dinner so I took her Yellow roses to welcome her to Texas. She started to cry and tell me she was going through a messy divorce and how sweet to get flowers. At the time she was on "The Gays of Our Lives" and sang on the show a lott of the time. She has a beautiful voice and quite strong. We then went to Muscular Discrophy Telethon and when she was up she thanked me and sang "Don't Cry Out loud" for me, it was quite a special evening. If not, never mind:~) Peace Mingus 11. Patty Weaver - Both Sides Now: I like this one; Patty's got a dynamo Broadway kind of voice, and she does enough unique things with the vocal arrangement to make her take on the franchise swing. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:54:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: RE; Covers 51 NJC I'm not sure if it's your Patty Weaver or not, David, but I would bet that it is. The title of the LP her cover was on is titled "No One's Ever Seen This Side of Me" which would indicate that she had become famous (or semi-famous) in another medium. I don't watch any of the soaps so I'm no help there. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:56:27 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: The big 50! A big Happy 50th Birthday to my husband of 24 years. He is the only one here who didn't get all excited about spending the day hanging with Joni and couldn't care less that he has photos published on Jonimitchell.com. But Alas! It is a day of fools:~) I Love You! David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:44:51 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: RE; Covers 51 -- NJC Mingus writes about: << "The Gays of Our Lives" >> I hadn't seen this show in more than 30 years when I was in the local launderama a couple of weeks ago and found out that MARLENA KILLED DOUG!!! Poor Julie! I can't even imagine how she must feel, getting up every morning for 35 years or so with Doug -- her real-life husband -- and going to work with him, then suddenly he's DEAD on the show! A mere ghost, singing "I'll Be Loving You Always" from the hazy beyond while Julie has to go on alone, at least on TV. And that Marlena -- I am so angry that she went from being such a wonderful, caring doctor to a MASS MURDERER!!! Alice must wonder what's happening to this crazy world . . . - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:46:55 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: RE; Covers 51 NJC Joni Bob writes: << The title of the LP her cover was on is titled "No One's Ever Seen This Side of Me" >> I hear that was the working title for the inner sleeve of "For the Roses!" - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:52:52 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" "Leftists" are > different - they often appear radical, shrill, angry and relentless "my way > or the highway and I will keep beating on you until you submit, agree or > shut up." Then they turn around and publically pride themselves on being > tolerant and seeking peace and social justice. They do scare me at times. astonsihingly, Kakki wrote the above. It is hard to take a person's opinions with any seriousness when they show such blatent prejudice. As for having more to fear from the Religous Right, as Deb pointed out, I agree with her. I think we would have as much to fear from Marxists(if history is anything to go by) if they held any clout-they don't. The RR DO hold a lot of clout and they are to be feared and resisted fully. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:57:40 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: bette midler on gay marriage - njc Thanks for passing that on, Patrick. That was beautifully written. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:31:52 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Dan Peek, America and Joni Go to: www.danpeek.com then click to: The America Story Then to: #23. L. A. Confidential Dan Peek used to sing with America. He wrote this: "To our immediate right a huge waterfall roared down a steep incline disappearing from view. As we stepped forward my breath caught as we seemed to be hovering in space. The distant horizon of the land and a tantalizing glimpse of sea shimmered in the afternoon sunlight. The house was very modern in the cozy wood and glass California mode. It clung to the cliff and cascaded down below us, split into several levels, all glassed and open to the mouthwatering views. Looking again to our right was an amazing view of the swimming pool, the waterfall pouring into the deep end, the whole flagged by huge stones with redwood furniture scattered about like large tiddlywinks. The pool seemed suspended in space, with short glass walls bordering, allowing that awesome view full rein. The view was made even more amazing by the fact that a young, beautiful blonde woman lay full length on one of the loungers, sunning herself in the warm dry air. . . . ." "This Lorelei figure turned her face up to us and squinted, saying with total innocence, "Hi, I'm Joni Mitchell, you must be AMERICA. David said to say he'll be a little late. You must be awfully hot and tired. The water's great. You should go for a swim." "Uh, see Miss Mitchell, we don't have our suits. You don't need them much where we just came from." Said Dewey. "Call me Joni. You don't need suits. In fact I've never seen anyone wear a suit in this pool." I'm sure at this point we all thought we had been. . .. " I won't post it all here. Have you seen this? My sister Annette sent me this yesterday. She loves the band America (Ventura Highway, etc.) and so do I. Go to the link above for the full story. Maybe this is at Joni Mitchell.com, I don't know. Marianne Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar  FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:51:07 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kakki" > "Leftists" are > > different - they often appear radical, shrill, angry and relentless "my > way > > or the highway and I will keep beating on you until you submit, agree or > > shut up." Then they turn around and publically pride themselves on being > > tolerant and seeking peace and social justice. They do scare me at times. > > > astonsihingly, Kakki wrote the above. It is hard to take a person's opinions > with any seriousness when they show such blatent prejudice. I don't see how Kakki's statement is in any way prejudiced or what is astonishing. All she was saying is how she perceives people who are part of a particular political party. Isn't she allowed to have an opinion? Why is it so difficult on this list to accept that not everyone agrees on political topics? These subtle little jabs that go back and forth are worse than anything Paul IV ever wrote. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:05:22 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC Very well said, Kakki...particularly your point about the leftists beating on you until you submit, agree, or shut up. I sorta feel like I've abandoned you by shutting up and refusing to further engage in the political "dialog" on the list. That said, rest assured I'm still here, still reading, and most often still shaking my head from side to side in wonder about the Left's position and arguments. I'd like to reenforce your comment about the various camps within the Republican party. I take issue with the conservative approach and position on a number of issues, I do not agree with some of the current administration's budget/spending priorities, and I'm damned sure at odds with a lot of the right's social positions. BUT...I feel the Bush Doctrine is the best answer to the national security/terrorism issue. I've seen no viable alternative from the Democrats on this all-important issue. Best Regards, bp Kakki sez: > I wrote: > > > > I almost hope the Democrats/leftists > > > take over the whole world at this point. > > > One world one thought. > > Debra wrote: > > > Let's see... all of us Democrats/leftists have disagreed intensely amongst > ourselves about going to war in Afghanistan, going to war in Iraq, the role > of the U.S. in the world, and specifically the WTC attack, why not everyone > votes for the person we truly believe in (such as Kucinich or Nader), and > probably other issues I can't recall right now. > > > > Let's see... all of the Republicans/righties (do you mind if I call you > that?) have argued amongst themselves about, what? Nothing. Whatever the > Bushies do is fine by them. > > > > So, "one world one thought" might be something you need to worry about > helping along, Kakki. > > First of all, it was Azeem who lumped them together and after reading his > long rebuke of me, I mentally threw up my hands and tossed off that remark. > It was not meant to be taken seriously. More like my own hyperbolic defense > (twisted humor) against the usual double and triple teaming I receive from > the usual participants when something I say purportedly offends them (which > is most everything). I personally perceive Democrats and "leftists" to be > two different political categories and overall think Democrats are solidly > honorable people who do much good in our society. "Leftists" are > different - they often appear radical, shrill, angry and relentless "my way > or the highway and I will keep beating on you until you submit, agree or > shut up." Then they turn around and publically pride themselves on being > tolerant and seeking peace and social justice. They do scare me at times. > > Because we have a two main party system party the other parties have to > pretty much side with one or the other when it comes to voting even though > neither party fulfills all of their values or reflects their views. > Libertarians (favoring small or miniscule government control, individual and > consitutional rights) and Conservative relgious groups (wanting to side with > the group who they feel is more likely to support and uphold religious > freedoms) affiliate with the Republicans, but both the Libertarians and > Conservative religious groups are often very disappointed and angry at the > Republican party. They are too big government and compromising for the > Libertarians and too socially liberal on many issues for the Conservative > religious groups. Along with the garden variety moderate Republicans, they > are three distinct groups who, nevertheless, mostly vote together, making > the best of the system before them. This is a simplistic explanation but > you get the gist of it. That's why it is a gross oversimplication and > inaccurate to identify all Republicans as the "Religious Right" just as it > is an oversimplication and often inaccurate to say Democrats = Leftists. > I'm sure you could also define the differences among the groups that vote > for the Democratic party. I can define them to some extent, but someone > from that party could probably do a better job at it. > > > It might surprise you to know, Kakki, and it's a sign of the right-wing's > ignorance and the fear-driven control by the right-wing media, that liberal > thinking does not equal Marxism. > > I absolutely agree that liberal thinking does not equal Marxism. Liberal > thought is the antithesis of Marxism. > > >Going even further, Marxism DOES NOT EQUAL totalitarianism. > > Every example of the practice of Marxism in recent history shows that it > results or devolves into totalitarianism. It has to become fascist to > survive economically and as an ideology. Any and all who disagree with the > *one-party* state must be silenced, imprisoned or put away because > alternative economic or idealogical ideas are a threat to its very existence > and individual rights are a threat to collective rights. To me this is so > basic to understand and I don't know why it is not as clear to others. > > > There's more to fear from the religious right in this country (or should I > just call them facists?) than there will ever be here from Marxists. > > There are a lot of ways to interpret this statement - but I won't venture to > try. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:11:23 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kakki" >> "Leftists" are >>> different - they often appear radical, shrill, angry and relentless "my >> way >>> or the highway and I will keep beating on you until you submit, agree or >>> shut up." Then they turn around and publically pride themselves on > being >>> tolerant and seeking peace and social justice. They do scare me at > times. >> >> >> astonsihingly, Kakki wrote the above. It is hard to take a person's > opinions >> with any seriousness when they show such blatent prejudice. > > > I don't see how Kakki's statement is in any way prejudiced or what is > astonishing. All she was saying is how she perceives people who are part > of a particular political party. Isn't she allowed to have an opinion? Yes, as well as we have to comment on it. My problem with Kakki's statement is that it implies that what makes leftists different from rightists, is that they appear shrill, angry, and relentless. Have we never observed a rightist who was shrill, angry, and relentless? Please! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:06:26 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: The big 50! Happy Anniversary to you both!! May you have many more wonderful years together. love db >>> 4/1/2004 5:56:27 AM >>> A big Happy 50th Birthday to my husband of 24 years. He is the only one here who didn't get all excited about spending the day hanging with Joni and couldn't care less that he has photos published on Jonimitchell.com. But Alas! It is a day of fools:~) I Love You! David This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:07:30 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: The big 50! - oops i meant to say happy b-day to david! db >>> 4/1/2004 5:56:27 AM >>> A big Happy 50th Birthday to my husband of 24 years. He is the only one here who didn't get all excited about spending the day hanging with Joni and couldn't care less that he has photos published on Jonimitchell.com. But Alas! It is a day of fools:~) I Love You! David This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:02:48 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "tantra_apso" ; "kakki" ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: What is reality? PC NJC > > Why is it so difficult on this list to accept that not everyone agrees on > political topics? It isn't. At elast not for me. These subtle little jabs that go back and forth are > worse than anything Paul IV ever wrote. I wouldn't say it was worse than Paul iv but : "Leftists" are > > > different - they often appear radical, shrill, angry and relentless "my > > way > > > or the highway and I will keep beating on you until you submit, agree or > > > shut up." Then they turn around and publically pride themselves on > being > > > tolerant and seeking peace and social justice. They do scare me at > times. ....is hardly subtle and easily seen as a prejudiced attack against those not of the right persuasion and it is hard to see it as anything but offenisve. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:10:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: mark or travis!!!! njc i need to contact mark in (or at) seattle but i have again lost my address book! can someone help me? thank you! wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:13:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: The big 50! njc happy happy happy birthday from wally! enjoy the cake... w > >>> 4/1/2004 5:56:27 AM >>> > A big Happy 50th Birthday to my husband of 24 years. He is the only > one > here who didn't get all excited about spending the day hanging with > Joni and > couldn't care less that he has photos published on Jonimitchell.com. > But Alas! It > is a day of fools:~) > > I Love You! > David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:20:16 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: wilderland i'm assuming joni took wilderness and wonderland and put them together, both are mysterious and "wonder" ful ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:18:25 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: new releases & reissues NJC hi from the villagerecords mailer ( www.villagerecords.com - my favourite online cd shop ;-) patty griffin - impossible dream - $16.99 - 20 April "This all new studio album is as close to perfect as it gets these days. " johnny cash - my mothers hymn book - $16.99 - limited release "This is more like a vision that comes in a dream where you wake in a cold sweat. " mary chapin carpenter - between here & gone - $15.99 - 27 april "This all new album finds her still at the top of her game and ready to take on the music world again" subdudes - miracle mule - $15.99 - 20 april "This is a welcome return for a group that should have been bigger the first time around." adrienne young - plow to the end of the row - $15.99 "To our ears it's simply one of the better things we've heard this month." charlie musselwhite - sanctuary - $15.99 "Musselwhite is the consummate urban blues artist..........He gets some help from the Blind Boys Of Alabama and Charlie Sexton." (also apparently includes a sonny landreth cover - should be interesting) ron sexsmith - retriever - $15.99 - "Sexsmith is his own man when it comes to writing a song and you will find them free of clichis and pandering. What more could you ask of a songwriter?" jolie holland - escondida - $15.99 - 27 april (founder member of the be good tanyas) "This is one of those albums that everyone will be talking about and they will all say the same thing: you have to hear this album. " & some reissues: the waifs - the waifs - $14.99 a reissue of the debut album the waifs - shelter me - $14.99 "It all came together on this set. The vocals and the songwriting propelled them to rapt attention of the Aussie crowd." scarlet rivera - scarlet rivera - $13.99 & scarlet fever $13.99 "Bob Dylan has made a lot of great albums over his long career. He's always been the centerpiece of his albums. That was until his album "Desire" when this gal armed with only a violin dominated that album and the Rolling Thunder Tour. This was her debut album and it finds her burning up the strings. " & "She soars on this set of tracks and proves to be a true master of the instrument" well - theres a whole lot more - i just kind of picked out what i thought might be interesting to the list. a few words on villagerecords. they are great. reliable reviews, quick shipping, good prices, & plain wrapping & underdeclaration of the value of the discs means no import duties or vat :-) ron np - tarbox ramblers - already gone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:21:10 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: new releases njc - addition - sarah harmer on dvd hi i just noticed this one & since people were talking about sarah harmer recently...... "VARIOUS ARTISTS WATCH THIS This is a fun DVD that brings together eight different artists who's work is being featured here as an introduction to their music. The acts are, Cowboy Junkies, Sarah Harmer, Bruce Cockburn, Kathleen Edwards, Great Big Sea, The Cash Brothers, Grant Lee Phillips and Blue Rodeo. Everyone gets one song a piece. A unique concept for hardly any cash. Can't beat that. Zoe / Rounder $7.99 Ships April 13 ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:37:10 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: changed party affiliation to republican -- NJC Little by little, all the political discussions I have read here over the past four years have made me question the liberal, Massachusettts-style Democratic party beliefs I have had since I was a child. So today I took a walk in the rain to Boston City Hall and changed my party affiliation to Republican. Come November, I will be voting for George W. Bush, a true leader who has pledged himself to continuing a senseless war that can't be won and amending the Constitution of the United States to deny rights to me and to millions of other Americans. What a fool I've been. Thanks for helping me see the light. April foolishly yours, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:01:27 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce - and pet peeves about speech NJC hi common examples of letter writing which really drive me nuts: "Attached please find..." & im thinking - what? have you lost the attachment?? or is it some kind of game?? maybe its hidden somewhere in the envelope?? - why not just say "herewith........."???? & the other one: "This serves to confirm that......." or "I hereby confirm that......" why not just say "I will ..........."????? or if youre really insecure you can increase that to "I confirm that........" & dont get me started on lawyers letters or documents with all there "whereas" & "therefore" & "now beareth witness" or "witnesseth that" & other archaic words which seem to impress people but just really, really piss me off. ron who has to review pretty much every single agreement entered into by our company, & has just been reading an agency agreement prepared by french lawyers that just plain had me tearing my hair out :-) np - csn&y - suite:judy blue eyes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:05:27 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Sex and the Joni Hi folks, Do you think that Joni is good in bed? I mean, waht do we REALLY know about it? Love, Nuriel Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:18:34 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Listening to Jonatha's latest CD (NJC) Bob the Covers King wrote: > And Lori, do you actually believe that *I* would actually dis anyone for > recording covers? Duh. WHAT was I thinking?! Must've been someone else who was underwhelmed with "Fire and Rain" and "Eye In The Sky." : ) > One of the many WONDERFUL features of AOL (which we also differ on, and > that's cool) I used to be a big fan of AOL (and you'll see in the archives that my original email address when I first subscribed to the JMDL back in '97 was lrfye@aol.com). But being as suspicious as I am of "big brother" media outlets, I was quite unhappy when AOL started gobbling up things like Time Warner. I do what I can to support the companies that DON'T go that route. To each his or her own in the world of internet connection though, and I will say that I'm pleased that AOL is now offering more pricing options to its customers (regardless that they pretty much have to do so, with competition from NetZero and the like). > But for me I expect a lot from the Jonatha's and Joni's of this world because > they've proven what they can do and set the bar high for themselves. That's a good point. Then again, I can't think of anything done by either Joni or Jonatha that I've hated! (Of course, I LOVE "Dog Eat Dog," so what does that say?) I would just rather they go with their "artistic vision" and do what they love and want to do, plus I applaud the huevos they've shown in not following the commercially safe route. - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:25:03 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Sex and the Joni > Hi folks, > > Do you think that Joni is good in bed? I mean, waht do we REALLY know about > it? That she has had a lot of practice. Wicked Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:29:02 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: bette midler on gay marriage - njc I saw this a couple of weeks ago when I was driving to Missouri to pick up my motorcycle (purchased on eBay). Mary and I had stopped in Mount Vernon, IL for the night, and we checked our email the next morning in the lobby. Mary had received the "Bette Midler" email and told me I had to read it. I was so impressed that I copied it and pasted it to the computer's Word Pad and just left it there for the next user to happen upon. I figured a nice conservative town like Mount Vernon could use a dose of Bette's wisdom. : ) Lori, whose boss referred to Mary and me yesterday as "a married couple" - -- Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Orts Subject: Re: bette midler on gay marriage - njc It is a nice letter . . . but Bette didn't write it. It's one of those e-mail urban legends. I've even seen Bette agree that it's a great letter, but she had nothing to do with it. Not sure why the person who started this would attach it to her, but I don't really ponder these things anymore . . . - -Neil - --- Lori Fye wrote: > I saw this a couple of weeks ago when I was driving > to Missouri to pick up my > motorcycle (purchased on eBay). Mary and I had > stopped in Mount Vernon, IL for > the night, and we checked our email the next morning > in the lobby. Mary had > received the "Bette Midler" email and told me I had > to read it. > > I was so impressed that I copied it and pasted it to > the computer's Word Pad and > just left it there for the next user to happen upon. > I figured a nice > conservative town like Mount Vernon could use a dose > of Bette's wisdom. : ) > > Lori, > whose boss referred to Mary and me yesterday as "a > married couple" > > -- > > Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do > not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:43:56 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Orts Subject: Re: Listening to Jonatha's latest CD (NJC) - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > That's a good point. Then again, I can't think of > anything done by either Joni > or Jonatha that I've hated! (Of course, I LOVE "Dog > Eat Dog," so what does > that say?) LOL, Lori. I very nearly referenced Dog Eat Dog in my defense of Jonatha's latest, too. :) I like to think that I'm not of the mindset that any artist can do no wrong. (I have my list of Joni songs that I think were just bad ideas.) But when I come to like an artist's work like I like Joni's and Jonatha's (and the under-appreciated Sam Phillips--who has a new album due this month!), I tend to pay more attention when I don't immediately like their latest. I try to figure out if they're slumming or if they're trying something new or different that I'm just not getting right away. I tend to gravitate toward artists (in all media) who do the latter, anyway, so this is a recurring thing for me . . . In the case of Jonatha, I picked up Plumb years ago after hearing someone mention it on this list. (Surely I've told this story before . . . ) I just didn't get it at first. I had it for over a year and every once in a while I'd put it on and still not get it. Then one time, it just grabbed me and I think I played it nonstop for 2 or 3 months. And that's why I listen to her carefully now. Steady Pull was a fun album and the funkiness/poppiness of it pulled me in right away. (I'm a sucker for a good pop song!) But when Back in the Circus didn't grab me right away, I knew I had to play it a few times, find out where Jonatha was with this disk. For what it's worth, I'm currently liking Back in the Circus more than I ever got into Taming the Tiger . . . - -Neil ducking ===== Neil Ellis Orts 713-838-1787 Houston, TX keep up with my creative endeavors--join my newsletter list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neonews ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:48:17 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: bette midler on gay marriage - njc Lori writes: << whose boss referred to Mary and me yesterday as "a married couple" >> But sadly, Lori, ya ain't "a married couple." Not in the eyes of the law, anyway. And the very thought of such a thing is so threatening to the alleged president that he wants to amend the US Constitution to make sure you and Mary are never wed. (The first time the Constitution has ever been amended to TAKE AWAY civil rights, I may add.) Here in Massachusetts, Gov. Romney wants to amend the Mass. Constitution, too. So you may be a "married couple" in your eyes, in your boss' eyes, and in God's eyes, but that's about as far as it is likely to go in the near future. XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:59:19 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: bette midler on gay marriage - njc Neil writes: << Not sure why the person who started this would attach it to her (Bette Midler), but I don't really ponder these things anymore . . . >> It was probably Mary Cheney, the alleged VP's lesbian daughter. She probably isn't allowed to support gay marriage and thought she could pass the letter off as Midler's! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:58:44 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Orts Subject: Re: bette midler on gay marriage - njc Hmm. I like it. Maybe this can be the next e-mail urban legend. I'll get on it. ;) - -Neil - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > It was probably Mary Cheney, the alleged VP's > lesbian daughter. She probably > isn't allowed to support gay marriage and thought > she could pass the letter > off as Midler's! > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:30:55 -0600 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Re: James Taylor and Mark Knopfler (NJC) Sailing to Philadelphia is a great song about Mason and Dixon of the MAson-Dixon Line fame. Taylor and Knopfler each sing the "role" of one of the two gentlemen and I think their voices really compliment each others. Knopfler's Cd is one of his or Dire's best ever. I highly recommend it. I later bought the Taylor CD with bonus disc in hopes there was a second collaboration on it -- when it came out, they did not make clear what was on it. turns out it was nothing more than the exact same recording as on Mark's CD. So, there is no need to buy it. What a rip-off. Just buy Knopfler's Eric - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "hell" Reply-To: "hell" To: "Chris Marshall" , "jmdl list" Subject: Re: James Taylor and Mark Knopfler (NJC) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:05:06 +1200 Chris wrote: > Are collaborating, it seems. Just heard a song on t'radio this morning > which was rather nice. I didn't recognise the singer as being JT, but > I did think the guitar sounded like Knopfler. So when it was announced > that it was JT and MK, I was doubly surprised (a) that they were > collaborating and (b) that I was right about the guitar! > > Does anyone know anything more about this collaboration? MK's website > appears to be the slowest thing on earth, so I gave up on it. I couldn't find much on this on James Taylor's website (other than the song is included on the Special Limited Edition Package of JT's most recent album, October Road), but I found this Amazon review for Knopfler's album "Sailing To Philadelphia", released in 2000: "Former Dire Straits leader Mark Knopfler's second proper solo album (he's remained preoccupied with soundtrack work through the years) is a stirring and considered set of transatlantic blues. The collection is bolstered by contributions from Van Morrison ("The Last Laugh") and James Taylor (the title track), while Knopfler's guitar playing remains fresh and alive as he merges country and folk picking with electric blues. But it's as a writer that he really impresses: "Baloney Again" is a sensitive portrayal of a black gospel outfit in Jim Crow America; the title track is an intriguing distillation of Thomas Pynchon's doorstopper novel, Mason & Dixon; and "Silvertown Blues" is a stirring appreciation of blue-collar endeavor. A lovingly and honestly crafted collection, Sailing to Philadelphia shows Knopfler's talent and commitment remain as strong as ever." I was never much of a fan of Dire Straits, but I am a fan of Knopfler, especially the soundtrack he did for Local Hero. The movie was great, too! Hell P.S. Hope the ear infection clears up quickly! ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:54:50 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: all this talk about language now....njc Hello everyone: Recently Wally (Hi Darlin'! How's the paper coming along?) asked if there were any German speakers on this list, so I answered him and helped him with a German question. It was such a pleasure "meeting" him, that I though I would offer my humble and minimal translation "services" to all of you on the list. I majored in French and German, and although I am not truly fluent in either, I can help with simple stuff. And even with the harder stuff, too, because I work here in the Department of Modern and Classical Languages at the University of Connecticut where I am blessedly surrounded with with wonderful people who speak just about anything and everything. (Wally's question was tough, with all kinds of philosphy and psychology and etymology stuff going on, so we turned to some native-speakers, who were very helpful). I love my job here! I firmly believe that the key to peace on earth is to learn about other languages and cultures and societies. It is very enlightening and humbling for our students to study abroad to see that not everyone speaks English and that everyone is different -- but that we can still get along despite our differences, tolerate the differences, and yes, even EMBRACE the differences. But all you Joni-lovers know that -- I'm just preaching to the choir here. Sorry -- I digressed a bit there. My point is: write any time you need help with a foreign word, and I'll try to keep myself open up to you! ;) MY pet peeve mispronunciation is: when someone says "Wallah!" instead of "Voila." It drives me crazy, but I do try to be sweet and tolerant like Colin and not let it bother me. I never want to be a snob. And finally, if you'll permit me (with apologies to the many of you who don't like sports -- but I KNOW there are at least SOME Red Sox, Yankees, White Sox and Cub fans on this list!) to call your kind attention to the UConn Huskies this weekend. BOTH of our teams (men's and women's) are in the NCAA Basketball "Final Four." This is only the 5th time in history that a men's team AND a women's team from the same university are in the Final Four together. No University has ever won both championships, but my Huskies look to do just that this weekend. So, if you are channel surfing this weekend, and have no other allegiances, you are warmly invited to jump on the Husky bandwagon -- we are stardust; we are golden! Peace, Patti _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. 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