From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #140 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 31 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 140 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jonatha's Latest CD (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: drumroll please....Happy Birthday Michael Paz!! NJC ["Ross, Les" ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech [Garr] Re: njc pet peeves about speech [AzeemAK@aol.com] Norah Jones NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: njc pet peeves about speech [Garret ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech [Cat] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech [Gar] AOL question NJC [Deb Messling ] Re: AOL question NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Norah Jones NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech [Smu] Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Interesting "Canadian" page ? njc [Emiliano ] Joni Mitchell statue fund [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: njc pet peeves about speech ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Happy Birthday Michael Paz [Steve Polifka ] Singles discography [was RE: Interesting "Canadian" page ?] ["Richard Fly] RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech ["W] NJC Bush's lies..... etc... ["Gillian Apter" ] RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech ["] RE: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech ["] Re: [NortheastJonifest] drumroll please....Happy Birthday Michael Paz!! [] RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech ["] Perhaps a strange request?? (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Air america radio NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech ["Mar] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech [Jerr] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and the statue "fund" ["tantra_ap] Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech (for aol, non-mac users) [Emiliano ] Listening to Jonatha's latest CD (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech [Smur] [none] ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Listening to Jonatha's latest CD (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: What is a "wilderland"? [Mike Friedman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:23:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Jonatha's Latest CD (NJC) I wondered why all the silence (that seemed so loud)... Does anyone still have the link to the streaming songs so I can listen? Thanks if you can point me where they are... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:32:41 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: drumroll please....Happy Birthday Michael Paz!! NJC Happy Birthday Paz Hope you have/had a great day. Looking forward to seeing you at Fest. Bring it on! Les (in sunny London, yay!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:50:52 +1000 From: "don whiteman" Subject: Happy Birthday Michael Paz Hi Michael, Hope that you have a great day Happy bithday man from downunder Don Sydney Australia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:16:47 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech how about people not knowing the meaning of presently? grr!! teeth clenched, tongue bitten;-) that, and irregardless. I'm always tempted to mispronounce tome as tom-ay (e with an accent; don't know why) and mispronounciation, lol. that drives my partner crazy! GARRET np- Sam Shaber, El Dorado - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:01:09 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: njc pet peeves about speech In a message dated 31/03/2004 11:41:38 GMT Daylight Time, garret@hatstand.org writes: << how about people not knowing the meaning of presently? grr!! teeth clenched, tongue bitten;-) that, and irregardless >> Ah, Garret, as something of a linguistic fascist myself, I have the utmost sympathy with you! I've noticed a recent trend (or maybe it's not so recent) of replacing certain words with longer, similar words - which don't actually mean the same thing - aaarrgh!! Examples: instead of 'fortunate', people increasingly say 'fortuitous', which just ain't the same damn thing. Then there is the gratuitous substituting of 'simplistic' for 'simple'. I could think of more, but I need to watch my blood pressure... On a similar tip, the distinction between 'disinterested' and 'uninterested' seems to have been all but removed, adding just a little to the ongoing impoverishment of the language. Azeem in London, off to get myself a life... NP: Neneh Cherry - Man ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:16:02 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Norah Jones NJC Bob. I notice you were listening to Nora's Latest.. on the end of your post.... Nora is getting played to death on our Radio 2. The song that starts "sunrise, sunrise" is the current fave... one of the presenters pointed out that the backing "click" track to this seems to include her playing a game of table tennis..... Since then I cannot get the image out of my head and true enough that does sound like bat and ball going on!!!! Its like when someone points out a lyric they have misheard, you can never hear the right words again! Thought I would share this with you on this wonderful spring day that is unfolding as I write, somewhere near you.... Good day all Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:58:10 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: njc pet peeves about speech Ah!! Azeem, you've pinpointed the one that makes me want to wallop people with cold fish! either that or buy people dictionaries for christmas:-) perhaps i'll join you in looking for that life.... GARRET np- Tom Waits, Grapefruit Moon > >On a similar tip, the distinction between 'disinterested' and 'uninterested' >seems to have been all but removed, adding just a little to the ongoing >impoverishment of the language. > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:42:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech --- Garret wrote: > how about people not knowing the meaning of > presently? grr!! teeth clenched, > tongue bitten;-) I'm afraid that one is here to stay, annoying as it is. A lot of people seem to accepts its meaning as "now" these days. In Canada, you often hear it in phone queues ("all of our customer service representatives are PRESENTLY occupied")- and they use the same thing in the French translation ("tous nos agents sont presentement occupes"), except that a lot of people who do the recordings for these don't speak fluent French and they mispronounce "presentement" as if it has an accent on the e after the t, so they get it wrong in two languages and then don't even pronounce the "wrong" French word correctly. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:32:57 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Lol!! Perhaps there are advantages of *not* being multilingual afterall!! That one annoys me so much! Never thought about the same mistakes translating into other languages! I have a vague plan at the back of my mind to take french lessons. i took french for seven years in school and must admit i cant even ask for directions! and if i could wrangle together some pseudo-French, i wouldn't understand the reply! another peeve.... misuse of apostrophes; one sees it everywhere. i dont mind email or text msgs, but newspapers, restaurants - everywhere. ok- i'll stop now:-) GARRET np- Janis Joplin, Summertime (kinda feels like summer today) Quoting Catherine McKay : > --- Garret wrote: > how about > people not knowing the meaning of > > presently? grr!! teeth clenched, > > tongue bitten;-) > > I'm afraid that one is here to stay, annoying as it > is. A lot of people seem to accepts its meaning as > "now" these days. In Canada, you often hear it in > phone queues ("all of our customer service > representatives are PRESENTLY occupied")- and they use > the same thing in the French translation ("tous nos > agents sont presentement occupes"), except that a lot > of people who do the recordings for these don't speak > fluent French and they mispronounce "presentement" as > if it has an accent on the e after the t, so they get > it wrong in two languages and then don't even > pronounce the "wrong" French word correctly. > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:52:34 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: AOL question NJC AOL users, can you customize your spam filters to exempt favored addresses from being blocked? Or is all of that out of your control? In general, do you sometimes have trouble getting mail from people? My husband and I are finding that our mail is sporadically blocked to AOL users. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:17:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: AOL question NJC **AOL users, can you customize your spam filters to exempt favored addresses from being blocked? Or is all of that out of your control?** If your address is in my address book, AOL will never block it - supposedly. There's always the "Wally Phenomenon", but I just noticed that the only address I had for Wally was his yahoo one. I added his fibertel address, I'm anxious to see if that will enable me to get his mail now. Anyway, AOL has detailed customizing features to allow or disallow mail from specific users. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:22:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Norah Jones NJC **Its like when someone points out a lyric they have misheard, you can never hear the right words again!** I hate when that happens, Lucy - why, it makes me madder than a squashed fox it does! Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "Ah Life" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:32:20 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Garret writes: << another peeve.... misuse of apostrophes; one sees it everywhere. i dont mind email or text msgs, but newspapers, restaurants - everywhere. >> Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggh! You've hit a nerve, Garret. It *is* everywhere . . . I hate it "alot!" Smurf, fully awake now that Garret has hooked my eyeballs with the dreaded wayward apostrophes! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:05:55 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC Sorry, Wally . . . It doesn't look good! From today's Boston Globe: AG sees gay marriage limit Says law bars most out-of-staters By Raphael Lewis, Globe Staff, 3/31/2004 Attorney General Thomas F. Reilly said yesterday that Massachusetts marriage law will forbid same-sex couples from at least 38 other states to get married here after May 17, when gay matrimony becomes legal. Reilly, addressing the issue for the first time at a press conference yesterday, said a 1913 Massachusetts law prevents out-of-staters from getting married here if they are not eligible for marriage in their home state. The law was originally written to block interracial marriages, but has gained new relevance since the state's high court legalized gay marriages on Nov. 18. Even though couples from coast to coast are readying plans to be married here this summer, Reilly said it was his opinion that the landmark court ruling applied only to Bay Staters and couples who live in states where no law expressly defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Currently, 38 states have Defense of Marriage Act laws, or DOMAs, that define marriage solely as a heterosexual institution, and others are debating such measures. "In those states . . . where same-sex marriage is not lawful, [gay couples] are not entitled and cannot be lawfully married here," said Reilly, the state's top lawyer. "This [court] opinion is rather limited, in terms of Massachusetts residents who are entitled to these rights." You can read the rest of the story at: http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2004/03/31/ag_sees_gay_marriage_limi t/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:30:02 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Interesting "Canadian" page ? njc Hi, Catherine! Many thanks for your context on this. Catherine says: > Canoe is the site of the Toronto Sun, amongst others. > The Toronto Sun in no way fits what one could describe > as good journalism, but that's just my opinion. Their > front page usually has a picture of a girl in a bikini > with a headline about something horrendous that has > happened somewhere in the world, leading one to > believe that the chick in the bikini has something to > do with that. [...] Aaargh! this is awful! But, as some very clever person stated: Sex Kills! Have a Wonderful time! Yours: Emiliano NP: Plane Crash At Los Gatos, Pete Seeger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:54:42 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell statue fund I don't know how many people actually donated to this fund, but after several attempts over many months to Sarah to see how it was going, and getting no response, I finally heard from her. She is returning the donations because she was not able to make headway with this. Thought you all might like to know. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:03:23 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: njc pet peeves about speech Azeem wrote: "On a similar tip, the distinction between 'disinterested' and 'uninterested' seems to have been all but removed, adding just a little to the ongoing impoverishment of the language." I write: This one last still derives me crazy, although, since I am in English professor, I can hardly pretend to be disinterested. Only those uninterested in using language with precision fail to maintain the distinction. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:09:20 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Michael Paz Paz you Beeeeiitch! I had you on the phone and you didn't tell me you were peeling another layer of skin off of your crusty old hide??? What is it now, 35 again??? Just think of the spanking you're going to get this August in the Catskills!!! :-P Steve p.s. Hope your Birthday was a good one... At 07:50 PM 3/31/2004 +1000, don whiteman wrote: >Hi Michael, > >Hope that you have a great day > >Happy bithday man from downunder > >Don >Sydney >Australia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:12:52 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Interesting "Canadian" page ? richard asked: "Is there a singles discography? I can't find one on JMDL.COM or JONIMITCHELL.COM" I recall seeing one at the back of the Hinton biography, which I cannot seem to locate at this moment. (Thus, I could be wrong). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:17:56 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech As someone who often sends out posts with the accidental possessive "it's" and typos & so forth, i'm happy to know that e-mail is exempt from these rules & that we can also accept creative punctutation. . . . the uncapitalized first person pronoun in the subjective case-----, and contractions without the apostrophe to indicate whats been omitted :-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Garret Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:33 AM To: Catherine McKay Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech another peeve.... misuse of apostrophes; one sees it everywhere. i dont mind email or text msgs, but newspapers, restaurants - everywhere. ok- i'll stop now:-) GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:21:12 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: njc pet peeves about speech See, I never proofread e-mail (and is it email or e-mail) Derives me crazy, indeed! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Richard Flynn Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:03 AM To: AzeemAK@aol.com; garret@hatstand.org; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: njc pet peeves about speech Azeem wrote: "On a similar tip, the distinction between 'disinterested' and 'uninterested' seems to have been all but removed, adding just a little to the ongoing impoverishment of the language." I write: This one last still derives me crazy, although, since I am in English professor, I can hardly pretend to be disinterested. Only those uninterested in using language with precision fail to maintain the distinction. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:36:39 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Singles discography [was RE: Interesting "Canadian" page ?] There is a singles discography in the back of trhe dreadful Hinton book and also one at the back of the ho-hum O'Brien book. Both of them list mostly the UK singals. (Are these the same for US? It would be interesting to know.) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Bobsart48@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:13 AM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; nyro_in_detroit@sbcglobal.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Interesting "Canadian" page ? richard asked: "Is there a singles discography? I can't find one on JMDL.COM or JONIMITCHELL.COM" I recall seeing one at the back of the Hinton biography, which I cannot seem to locate at this moment. (Thus, I could be wrong). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:39:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech the one that drives me nuts is *aggravating* for *annoying*. how can people confuse these terms???? another pet peeve: tautological redundancy. *that's exactly right*, *young infant*, *adequate enough*, *gather together*, *original source*, *joint co-operation*, *two alternatives*, etc.. language is a virus! wally, contradicting everything i said above and writing a paper on "incomplete wholes" (and it was MY idea!) for my pragmatics of communication class. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:39:23 +0200 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: NJC Bush's lies..... etc... Sorry, guys, I couldn't resist sending you this. I got this joke in an email, and if it has been circulating in the US and is an old one, please forgive me... but I thought this was pretty funny.... ta ta, Gill """ Little Jimmy was in his 5th grade class when the teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living. All the typical answers came up - -- fireman, policeman, salesman, etc... Jimmy was being uncharacteristically quiet and so the teacher asked him about his father. "My father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes, if the offer's really good, he'll go out to the abandoned car in the alley with some guy and have sex with him for money." The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly set the other children to work on some coloring, and took Little Jimmy aside to ask him, "Is that really true about your father?" "No," said Jimmy, "He works for the Bush administration, but I was too embarrassed to say that in front of the other kids." """ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:44:53 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Or "tautological redundancy" ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally Kairuz Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:39 AM To: Catherine McKay; Garret; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech another pet peeve: tautological redundancy. *that's exactly right*, *young infant*, *adequate enough*, *gather together*, *original source*, *joint co-operation*, *two alternatives*, etc.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:47:51 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC oh bob... so our only hope is that you move down to the tenth world and pig it up here with me. with lawmakers like those, how can our love survive? w > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Miircoles, 31 de Marzo de 2004 10:06 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC > > > Sorry, Wally . . . It doesn't look good! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:49:56 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] drumroll please....Happy Birthday Michael Paz!! Happy Birthday Paz-ma-taz, Pazmania, Paz-man!!! It's 9:47 a.m. where I am so i'll have a cyber martini in yer honor (can't have a real one right now)!! Hope you had a great birthday. Love, Tex >>> jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com 3/30/2004 4:50:33 PM >>> Alas, the birthday fairy I am not... But please join me in wishing Michael Paz -- a great friend, super-talented musician, and all around amazing human being -- a big fat Happy Birthday!!! A toast to you this evening... Jenny Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:59:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech you have a keen eye, richard! but redundancy is not always tautological. verbosity (or "logorrhea", for those who like GRE words) is a form of redundancy and it is not always tautological. w > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] > Enviado el: Miercoles, 31 de Marzo de 2004 01:45 p.m. > Para: Joni@Smoe. Org; Wally Kairuz > Asunto: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about > speech > > > Or "tautological redundancy" ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:03:36 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC Wally writes: << with lawmakers like those, how can our love survive? >> Hmm . . . do you hear the same old disco hit I'm hearing, Wally? XO, - --Bob NPIMH: I will surviiiiiiiiiiive . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:55:17 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech (for aol, non-mac users) Wally says: the one that drives me nuts is *aggravating* for *annoying*. how can people confuse these terms???? > another pet peeve: tautological redundancy. *that's exactly right*, *young infant*, *adequate enough*, *gather together*, *original source*, *joint co-operation*, *two alternatives*, etc.. > language is a virus! > wally, contradicting everything i said above and writing a paper on "incomplete wholes" (and it was MY idea!) for my pragmatics of communication class ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:58:36 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC (for aol, non-mac users) Wally says: oh bob... so our only hope is that you move down to the tenth world and pig it up here with me. > with lawmakers like those, how can our love survive? > w > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > Smurfycopy@aol.com > > Enviado el: Miircoles, 31 de Marzo de 2004 10:06 a.m. > > Para: joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC > > > > > > Sorry, Wally . . . It doesn't look good! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:09:14 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC oh yeah... first i was afraid, i was petrified. (and then i said, what the hell...) xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo w > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Smurfycopy@aol.com [mailto:Smurfycopy@aol.com] > Enviado el: Miercoles, 31 de Marzo de 2004 02:04 p.m. > Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; Smurfycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC > > > Wally writes: > > << with lawmakers like those, how can our love survive? >> > > Hmm . . . do you hear the same old disco hit I'm hearing, Wally? > > > XO, > > --Bob > > NPIMH: I will surviiiiiiiiiiive . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:08:19 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni blowing my mind again Hi Donna, I was listening to so many...I started with Court and Spark, Hissing, Turbulent Indigo and ended with Shadows and Light. I think I was most touched by the Shadows and Light version of "Amelia". Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: , >Subject: Re: Joni blowing my mind again >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:08:47 -0600 > > >>even if I have to stand on a street corner, I must sing. > >Sherelle, you didn't say which song/album you were listening too. >Could the song be "For Free"?? > >And if so which version? > >db > _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:22:53 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Wally writes: << *that's exactly right*, *young infant*, *adequate enough*, *gather together*, *original source*, *joint co-operation*, *two alternatives*, etc.. >> Watch me turn this into a gay thread! One phrase that drives me nutzoid is "openly gay," as in "Openly gay Congressman Barney Frank spoke to the press today." What's wrong with simply calling him "gay" Congressman Barney Frank? There's just so much that's wrong with the use of the word "openly." What's next? "Openly female Senator Hillary Clinton?" "Openly Irish Sinead O'Connor?" "Openly Republican President Bush?" I doubt if there is one gay news outlet that has questioned its use of "openly gay" because the phrase is used everywhere. I suppose the media once had reason for using "openly gay," but I think the time has come to retire it. Presto! A brand new gay thread! - --Smurf, openly peeved ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:31:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech uh oh! if this thread continues, in a minute we'll get to... "SELF-CONFESSED"!!! wally, openly bearded procrastinator > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Smurfycopy@aol.com [mailto:Smurfycopy@aol.com] > Enviado el: Miercoles, 31 de Marzo de 2004 02:23 p.m. > Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; anima_rising@yahoo.ca; > garret@hatstand.org; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about > speech > Watch me turn this into a gay thread! > > One phrase that drives me nutzoid is "openly gay," as in "Openly gay > Congressman Barney Frank spoke to the press today." What's wrong > with simply calling > him "gay" Congressman Barney Frank? There's just so much that's > wrong with the > use of the word "openly." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:29:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC It worked! All I had to do was add you to my address book, Wally. Now I get all your mail directly. Typically AOL adds addresses automatically but for some reason yours had to be manually added. YAY - a cause for celebration throughout JMDLland. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:48:53 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and the statue "fund" Wally, the openly self-confessed mutual friend we all share in common, writes: << "SELF-CONFESSED"!!! >> I THOUGHT OF THIS TODAY when Ashara posted about that Sarah person who used to defend its use! A word of advice to anyone who may have lost money "contributing" to the statue "fund": Give "Sarah" a week or two to make good on the money (which she has had for more than a year without contacting people, etc.). If she still doesn't return your money -- *with interest* would be appropriate -- do not hesitate to contact Canadian authorities. I think she said she was a resident alien, so she stands to lose a lot if exposed for this bit of funny business. (I think it's been going on long enough that it could be called fraud, or, for the purposes of this thread, "deceitful fraud!") - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:51:19 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: drumroll please....Happy Birthday Michael Paz!! (NJC) Thank you so much Jenny for letting us know! I am so sorry that my Happy Birthday wish is belated! Paz, what can I say about you? Ther is nothing you would not do for your fellow Jonilista's and just knowing that touches my heart to the point of tears. My friend, as I raise my imaginary glass to you as well, I wish you love, joy, peace and happiness. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for being such a good friend. Salute! Love, Sherelle Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:50:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: drumroll please....Happy Birthday Michael Paz!! Alas, the birthday fairy I am not... But please join me in wishing Michael Paz -- a great friend, super-talented musician, and all around amazing human being -- a big fat Happy Birthday!!! A toast to you this evening... Jenny _________________________________________________________________ All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:05:46 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC Hi! It worked!!! Even when *that* message wasn't directly to you Bob ;-) I guess I'll take some vacation on my forwarding task, now. I mean, Smurphy, will you try to do this, also? Maybe Azeem, Laura, BobSart, Ashara, etc Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: La Notte Dell'Addio, Ornella Vanoni & Herbie Hancock (Hi, Vincenzo, what about your USA journey?) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: ; ; Enviado: miircoles, 31 de marzo de 2004 19:29 Asunto: Re: Massachusetts marriage update -- NJC > It worked! > > All I had to do was add you to my address book, Wally. Now I get all your > mail directly. Typically AOL adds addresses automatically but for some reason > yours had to be manually added. > > YAY - a cause for celebration throughout JMDLland. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:19:10 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: hi >>>>>>>don wrote >>>>>> Hoping to buy myself a Little Martin Guitar as a baby traveling companion whilst in LA. ah, c'mon - you should be taking maton guitars to the rest of the world instead :-) just kidding - i had a chance recently to try out a maton performer series acoustic a while ago, & that funny wood (bunya!!!!) they use certainly looks really good, & sounds great. i was really surprised to find out theyve been around for nearly 60 years now. never heard of them anywhere before, but they are (or at least the one i tried is) wonderful instruments which deserve to be more successful. www.maton.com.au ron np - patti smith - gone again ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:56:39 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Wally, you are correct and I stand corrected! - -----Original Message----- From: Wally Kairuz [mailto:wallykai@fibertel.com.ar] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:00 PM To: Richard Flynn; Joni@Smoe. Org Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech you have a keen eye, richard! but redundancy is not always tautological. verbosity (or "logorrhea", for those who like GRE words) is a form of redundancy and it is not always tautological. w > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] > Enviado el: Miercoles, 31 de Marzo de 2004 01:45 p.m. > Para: Joni@Smoe. Org; Wally Kairuz > Asunto: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about > speech > > > Or "tautological redundancy" ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:21:42 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] drumroll please....Happy Birthday Michael Paz!! Hope you had a wonderful Birthday Michael, although I know you have a massive headache today!!! LOL much love, rosie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:47:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech richard, i never meant to correct YOU. it was just a comment. and again, i was amazed at how fast you spotted the possible tautology in "tautological redundancy". i would have missed it! are you a linguist? wally, about to finish... the introduction and the conclusion to my paper! (oh lord! what will i write in the middle????) > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Richard > Flynn > Enviado el: Miercoles, 31 de Marzo de 2004 03:57 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz; Joni@Smoe. Org > Asunto: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about > speech > > > Wally, you are correct and I stand corrected! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:05:25 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Perhaps a strange request?? (NJC) Is there anyone in the San Francisco area that would be willing to have my son's car parked at their house for 3 weeks, hopefully near public transportation so he could get to/from the airport from there? Please reply off list. Thanks! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:41:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Air america radio NJC Today is the first day, you can listen on the web- www.AirAmericaRadio.com Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:41:52 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech I don't really know why it bugs be as much as it does, but the substitution of less when people mean fewer gets to me. I find myself correcting the journalists on the radio when they say "less people" etc. ("IT'S FEWER YOU IGNORANT BASTARD!" ;0) There are a lot of changes in the language going on all the time that I'm quite happy with or at least neutral about, but this one gets my goat. BTW, what on Earth is the origin of the phrase "gets my goat"? Martin. In London. > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:11:02 -0500 > From: Jerry Notaro > Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech > > Mine: > > > 1. Less calories. > > 2. Heigth. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:11:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Well, since this thread has sparked more posts since George W., I would venture to say that we all have in common a love of words and accuracy, and that coincides with our love of Joni and her place as one of the great lyricists of the 20th century. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:38:01 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and the statue "fund" I have been reading this thread with interest, wondering when we would get to the punchline. Low and behold there isn't one. It seems people really are that .....insert your favourite insulting word here..... I don't give a shit how people use the language as long as I understand what they mean. Having listened to mangled language all my life, I have become failry adept at understanding. Perhaps others could learn too..... Yes, I feel bitchy, if you want to complain go ahead and I'll tell you now to go f... yourself ....tho on second thought I ought to tell you to go do something unpleasant to yourself...but then i don't feel that mean so I'll stick with go f... yourself and hope you enjoy it. It is fortuitous that I am behind a screen and not in a room with you...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:53:51 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech (for aol, non-mac users) Wally says: richard, i never meant to correct YOU. it was just a comment. and again, i was amazed at how fast you spotted the possible tautology in "tautological redundancy". i would have missed it! are you a linguist? > wally, about to finish... the introduction and the conclusion to my paper! (oh lord! what will i write in the middle????) > > (forwarded by Emiliano, so openly Emiliano, yes indeed, actually, it is, oh yeah!) > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Richard > > Flynn > > Enviado el: Miercoles, 31 de Marzo de 2004 03:57 p.m. > > Para: Wally Kairuz; Joni@Smoe. Org > > Asunto: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about > > speech > > > > > > Wally, you are correct and I stand corrected! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:57:32 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Hi, Jerry! You're right! I really love these posts: I'm learning a lot of all this unuseful information (for me) that I like so much. But... "one of the great lyricists"? Besides... Besos para todos! Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Jerry Notaro" Para: "Martin Giles" ; "Joni List" Enviado: miircoles, 31 de marzo de 2004 23:11 Asunto: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech > Well, since this thread has sparked more posts since George W., I would > venture to say that we all have in common a love of words and accuracy, and > that coincides with our love of Joni and her place as one of the great > lyricists of the 20th century. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:21:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech > Hi, Jerry! > You're right! I really love these posts: I'm learning a lot of all this > unuseful information (for me) that I like so much. > > But... > "one of the great lyricists"? Absolutely!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:38:54 +0100 From: "tantra_apso" Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Fortuitous and fortunate can be used to mean the saem, but not in the same way. You can say 'it was fortuitous' or 'i was forunate'. You can also fortunate to mean 'advantageous or favourable' but you could not use fortuitous to mean thr same thing. I hate this thread. Now for explaining that, i am as sad as the rest of you. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:41:49 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Jonatha's Latest CD (NJC) > I wondered why all the silence (that seemed so loud)... Does anyone > still have the link to the streaming songs so I can listen? Thanks if > you can point me where they are... http://www.jonathabrooke.com/music/backinthecircus.php - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:36:02 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Listening to Jonatha's latest CD (NJC) Due to the negative reviews from many of you about Jonatha's new album, I've held off on buying it. However, as I sit here listening to it via her website, I'm finding that I like it. A lot. I'm not in love with every track ("Less Than Love Is Nothing" is playing now, and I find it to be discordant at this first listen), but I think J'Bro deserves more credit for this effort than she has received so far. Like Joni, like any artist worth the title, Jonatha changes directions and this is where she was heading when she recorded this set. I'd rather she go where she feels like going, instead of staying "the course" and sounding always the same. Someone (Bob?) mentioned that JB must have run out of original material and so decided to cover "Fire and Rain" and "Eye In The Sky." Why dis her for recording covers? Shawn Colvin did an entire album of them ("Cover Girl") and that disc is still a favorite of mine. Jonatha's website offers only 30 seconds of F&S and EITS (due to rights issues, apparently), and while I'm not yet too excited about her cover of F&R, I'm looking forward to hearing EITS in its entirety. Here's a portion of her own note about "Eye In The Sky": "This is one of those songs that I dismissed as a casualty of the 80's every time I would hear it, but then when I tried playing it as an acoustic song, it broke my heart. (Ok it's a little creepy too.)" Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I'm going to spend the rest of the $15 or whatever on the CD very soon. - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:29:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > the one that drives me nuts is *aggravating* for > *annoying*. how can people > confuse these terms???? Grrrrr, my ex- used to use "aggravating" this way: "You're aggravating me!" and I'd reply, "You couldn't possibly BE any worse!" > > another pet peeve: tautological redundancy. *that's > exactly right*, *young > infant*, *adequate enough*, *gather together*, > *original source*, *joint > co-operation*, *two alternatives*, etc.. Free gift. Grrr. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:34:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Wally writes: > > << *that's exactly right*, *young infant*, *adequate > enough*, *gather > together*, *original source*, *joint co-operation*, > *two alternatives*, etc.. >> > > Watch me turn this into a gay thread! > > One phrase that drives me nutzoid is "openly gay," > as in "Openly gay > Congressman Barney Frank spoke to the press today." > What's wrong with simply calling > him "gay" Congressman Barney Frank? Oh dear, my "big boss", the health minister for Ontario, has this in his bio - that he's "openly gay." We had a big discussion about that at work, whether he needed to say it at all. We came to the conclusion that, in his case, he just wanted to come right out and say to people, "Yeah, I'm gay. Get over it. Now let's get to work." But I agree - it shouldn't be necessary to say it at all. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:40:44 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: What is a "wilderland"? Speaking of "Clouds",What exactly is a wilderland? _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:51:11 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Cuddly Catherine writes: << We came to the conclusion that, in his case, he just wanted to come right out and say to people, "Yeah, I'm gay. Get over it. Now let's get to work." But I agree - it shouldn't be necessary to say it at all. >> I don't object to people being referred to as gay, Catherine, just "openly gay." It's way overused, in my opinion, when "gay" is descriptive enough. How about "formerly furtively gay Congressman Barney Frank," for example? Why does there need to be any adjective modifying "gay" at all? I dunno, maybe it's just me, but "openly gay" reminds me of negatives, like "confessed killer" or "admitted pedophile." By the way, Catharine, I had a lister telephone me today and ask what's up with us! (You and me, baby!) - --Smurf, openly blue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 00:54:06 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: [none] On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 Jenny Goodspeed wrote (on Subject: drumroll please....Happy Birthday Michael Paz!!) Alas, the birthday fairy I am not... But please join me in wishing Michael Paz -- a great friend, super-talented musician, and all around amazing human being -- a big fat Happy Birthday!!! A toast to you this evening... Jenny Happy birthday from me, too, Paz, even if it's now past. No April foolin'! Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar  FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:04:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Listening to Jonatha's latest CD (NJC) **Why dis her for recording covers? Shawn Colvin did an entire album of them ("Cover Girl") and that disc is still a favorite of mine.** Gawd, I LOVE that record! And Lori, do you actually believe that *I* would actually dis anyone for recording covers? I'm a covers junkie, but there's a major difference between what Shawn does on her project and what Jonatha's doing here. Truth be told, I actually liked the covers (jonatha's) more than I liked her original stuff. Better material! But it's awfully hard to breathe any new life into warhorses like Fire & Rain & God Only Knows. Eye In the Sky done acoustically? I'm down with that. One of the many WONDERFUL features of AOL (which we also differ on, and that's cool) is that every week they actually stream new releases in their entirety. Right now I'm actually listening to a CD called "Final Straw" by a band called Snow Patrol. They also have the new Janet Jackson and another one for listening. Since I'm on broadband and have a nice setup, the quality is actually wonderful, and for somebody like me who does buy a lot of music it's actually potentially dangerous! It's tough to hear something bad from an artist you love, particularly when you've been chomping at the bit for new stuff as I've been with Jonatha. And one man's ceiling is another man's floor...I hope you like it. But for me I expect a lot from the Jonatha's and Joni's of this world because they've proven what they can do and set the bar high for themselves. Bob NP: Snow Patrol PS: I inserted BONUS 'actuallys' just for you, sweetie! :~* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:33:52 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: What is a "wilderland"? I always took it to mean wilderness.....It's a term that Tolkein used in The Hobbit. On Mar 31, 2004, at 4:40 PM, anon anon wrote: > Speaking of "Clouds",What exactly is a wilderland? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfee. Security. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ==================================================== "I'm porous with travel fever, but you know I'm so glad to be on my own. Still somehow the slightest touch of a stranger can set up trembling in my bones. I know, no one's gonna show me everything, we all come and go alone. Each so deep and superficial, between the forceps and the stone." - --Joni Mitchell, "Hejira", 1976 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #140 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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