From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #138 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 138 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Rough weekend, njc [Catherine McKay ] Spoony and the bike shop (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: njc where are the jobs [Randy Remote ] re: njc - where are the jobs ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Interesting Canadian Joni Site [Randy Remote ] Re: Interesting Canadian Joni Site [Doug ] Ron Sexsmith njc [frasere@intergate.ca] (NJC) Top 10 Bush Lies (PC) [Lori Fye ] Re: Ron Sexsmith njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Top 10 Bush Lies (PC) [Lori Fye ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech [Lori] Re: (NJC) Top 10 Bush Lies (PC) [Catherine McKay ] A thought for the day njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Correction: Not Indigo Girls ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Joni's French ancestry (if any) ["Timothy Spong" ] Amy Fradon njc [Neil Orts ] JONI MITCHELL HANDWRITTEN SONG LIST FOR TRAVELOGUE (2002) [Smurfycopy@aol] Jonatha's Latest CD (NJC) [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Jonatha's Latest CD (NJC) [Neil Orts ] RE: Jonatha's Latest CD (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Today's Library Links: March 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: What is reality? NJC PC ["Kakki" ] Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC ["Kakki" Subject: RE: Rough weekend, njc --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > I haven't read "A Man In Full". He wrote a great > scene in "Bonfire Of the > Vanities" though where the subject is in a very > expensive suit in the back > of a police cruiser. He's handcuffed because he's > been arrested but all he > can think about is getting the Styrofoam peanuts off > his pants legs. He's > utterly unnerved by it and (of course) that's only > the BEGINNING of his > troubles. There's a particular scene in this book that's relevant. There's a young man named Conrad. He has just been laid off his job where he worked as a meat packer in a freezer plant owned by a very rich man who's in a lot of financial trouble and who has decided to lay off a bunch of workers to try to recover some of his losses. He goes to apply for temp work. He fails the typing test miserably because his hands have grown so big and strong from slinging frozen meat for the last few years. As he comes out, he sees a towtruck removing his car. He starts yelling at them to stop, but they tell him they can't stop the process & he's going to have to get his car at the pound. He's down to his last few bucks. He has to call his wife and mother-in-law to get him some money quick and he heads to the pound to get the car before the pound closes. (A number of other things happen on the way that impede his progress and it's all very nerve-wracking.) He finally gets there just before it's about to close and finds he owes them a little more money - money he doesn't have. He's so fed up after all this that he ends up racing to his car, and trying to ram through the gates of the pound with it. In the process, he assaults one of the pound guys... and ends up in prison. From there a whole series of events leads him... never mind - read the book! It's hard to explain but well worth the read. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:14:41 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Spoony and the bike shop (NJC) Catherine wrote: <> I've got the batteries in my video camera recharged, and plenty of film!! Where's the rest of my video crew? Hugs, Ashara, caught up and especially chatty these days ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:52:30 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc where are the jobs vince wrote: > This shameless self promotion is disgusting but I have already told the > dogs about it and they are bored and that is a part of living alone - Dude, that's what we're here for! Congratulations on your stirring of the crowds. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:53:57 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: njc - where are the jobs "- And speaking of jobs, it turns out W. does have a plan to increase employment numbers--specifically in the nation's factories. The White House's economic report to Congress for 2004 calls for redefining the fast food industry as a component of the manufacturing sector. " http://www.shepherd-express.com/shepherd/25/13/news_and_views/media_musings.html Mia _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar  FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:54:10 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Interesting Canadian Joni Site Gary Zack wrote: > Found an interesting Canadian page on Joni: > > http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicPopEncycloPagesM/mitchell_joni.html > > I found it especially interesting that there was apparently a live album > that was recorded between "Clouds" and "Ladies of the Canyon" that was > scrapped. That's cool-did anyone else here know about that? Somewhere, they are hoarding Joni material !!! What do we have to do, storm the gates of WB/Reprise? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:08:18 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Interesting Canadian Joni Site I believe I read somewhere that the live album was to be the Carnegie Hall 1969 show. Here's a suggestion: Walk into Warner Brothers wearing a white suit and carrying a clipboard, tell the receptionist you need to take the Joni Mitchell tapes back to the shop for repairs. Send me a copy when you get them. Doug Randy Remote wrote: >Gary Zack wrote: > > > >>Found an interesting Canadian page on Joni: >> >>http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicPopEncycloPagesM/mitchell_joni.html >> >>I found it especially interesting that there was apparently a live album >>that was recorded between "Clouds" and "Ladies of the Canyon" that was >>scrapped. >> >> > >That's cool-did anyone else here know about that? Somewhere, they >are hoarding Joni material !!! What do we have to do, storm the >gates of WB/Reprise? > >. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:07:29 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Ron Sexsmith njc What a blast I just had! A friend of mine is the news director for a local group of radio stations and called this am to give me a heads up that Ron Sexsmith was going to be at the station at noon to perform a few songs for the staff. He is touring w/Bare Naked Ladies as the opener, playing in Vancouver Tues nite. He has a new release "Retriever" out in the next week or so in the states, thereafter in Canada. The buzz is that this may just be his most radio friendly recording to date. There wasn't more than 20 people there, really informal, and I was 6 feet in front of him. He did 2 songs from the new cd-great!- then said he didn't know what to play. I asked for Strawberry Blonde, an oldie, which he did, and finished with another from the new CD. I know many do not care for his melancholy voice, but as a songwriter, he is truly gifted. Afterwards, I went over to shake his hand, wished him the success he deserves, and said "You, Elvis Costello and Joni Mitchell are my favourite songwriters." "Wow", he replied, with big thanks. He said he has met Joni and "Boy, is she ever intimidating!" Suffice it to say, it was sublime! Best, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:51:31 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Top 10 Bush Lies (PC) Very interesting site. http://www.bushlies.com/topten.php - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:56:14 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ron Sexsmith njc That sounds cool indeed, Stephen - congrats on the experience. I was just thinking about you today as I saw where a theater in Vancouver is staging the "River- Songs of Joni Mitchell" at their space. http://www.staging.canada.com/vancouver/story.html?id=8aa23c8d-5754-4076-9c86-1e5973e98f58 Bob NP: Prevost & Solley, "Lover Man" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:15:46 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) Top 10 Bush Lies (PC) > lori-do I take it you don't like Bush after all? Oh, I like bush ... just not Bush. ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:30:15 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc - and pet peeves about speech Peeve #1: I answer the phone and hear, "Yes, I was calling to talk with [name]" You WERE calling? Or you ARE calling? Peeve #2 (I think I've griped about this before): The insertion of "actually" where it doesn't belong, as in, "She's actually out to lunch." As opposed to what? Theoretically? - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:48:20 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Top 10 Bush Lies (PC) --- Lori Fye wrote: > > lori-do I take it you don't like Bush after all? > > Oh, I like bush ... just not Bush. > > ; ) Lori, you've gotten such a lot of mileage out of that one, it might ACTUALLY be a shame when he loses. (Ever the optimistic one.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:21:42 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: A thought for the day njc I found this in today's Guardian. It's on a very British subject, but I think it might have a certain piquancy elsewhere too. Frank Dobson is a rather stolid but essentially decent Labour MP; Alistair Campbell was until quite recently Blair's chief spin doctor, and regarded by some as the second most powerful man in the country. In a book about spin doctors called People Who Live In The Dark, Andrew Blick quotes Frank Dobson on Alastair Campbell: "You can be a successful poisoner, or you can be a famous poisoner. But you can't be both." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:53:30 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Correction: Not Indigo Girls Fellow Jonilistas, I apologize for misattributing who had recently cited Joni as an influence and covered one of her songs on a new recording. Here is an excerpt of the review, from "Dirty Linen: Folk and World Music," No. 111, April/May 2004, pp. 49-50, by regular contributor Lahri Bond of Amherst, Mass.: Cris Williamson & Holly Near, "Cris & Holly," H&C 6201 (2003) With formidable back catalogues between them, Cris Williamson and Holly Near's album, simply titled "Cris & Holly," and their subsequent "Peace & Love" tour draw on past glories and a wonderful selection of new songs. ... Williamson takes the first lead with a letter-perfect rendition of "Tea Leaf Prophecy," a song by Joni Mitchell, who has always been a big influence on her. ... See, I kept forgetting to take the magazine along to where I was using a computer, and after about a week, was ready to post from memory, but went back to the magazine to find the review. Having by then misremembered who the artists were, I couldn't find it. Yesterday, I searched more exhaustively. A thousand pardons. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:09:36 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: Joni's French ancestry (if any) On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, "michael o'malley" wrote: I think it's a shame that Joni has never written or recorded in French, Canada's other official language. Beyond ``Avez vous une allumette`` I have never heard anything else from Joni in French. I appreciate that she may have had little exposure to French in Saskatchewan of the 50's, but I would suspect that Joni has some ability to express herself in French (Edith Piaf, travel to France, etc). It would be a great delight for francophones the world over to hear Joni en francais - but I won't hold my breath! Michael in Quebec ..... and Deb Messling wrote: I remember reading that Joni sang in French during Bob Dylan's Rolling Thunder tour. I don't know if any of those performances were preserved. At 10:59 AM 3/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I think it's a shame that Joni has never written or recorded in French, - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- .......... and SCJoniGuy@aol.com [Bob Mueller ... or is it Muller?] wrote: **I remember reading that Joni sang in French during Bob Dylan's Rolling Thunder tour. I don't know if any of those performances were preserved.** I've got about 4 or 5 of them, no hints of anything French. She sang some of the HOSL stuff, Coyote, Woman of Heart & Mind, and took a verse of "This Land Is Your Land". Bob ...... further comment: But Joni has written and sung about things and places French, n'est-ce pas? "Free Man in Paris," "In France They Kiss on Main Street" and "Yvette in English" would be ripe for re-recording in French, non? Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:20:08 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Bob wrote: <> I agree with your Dad. How lucky you are to have grown up with such an outllook in your household. I consider myself pretty lucky, too. My uncle is a scientist -(PhD in chemical engineering and a few other PhD's, but I forget which). As a child, I was so proud to have a scientist in the family and he became a role model for me. Always bringing books over for me to read and stuff. I have a strong longing to become a geologist when I grow up, but unfortunately I cannot afford to quit my day job to attend the "day-exclusive" science courses at the university. Although not a scientist, my dad also had a big impact on my awe for science. When I was about ten years old, my dad tried waking every one up in the house at 3:00am to see the "Northern Lights perform." No one would get up, even I didn't want to. For some reason, my dad chose only me to pester for fifteen minutes, until I reluctantly dragged myself out of bed so he could show me whatever it was and I could soon have peace again. And I'm so glad he did. I have never seen anything so beautiful in my life! The icy greens, pinks, purples, whites, dancing in the sky! And to think I would have missed this, had he not bugged the hell out of me to wake up! I experienced another scientific phenomenon with him too, in my late 20's. I had the day off work, and he was home and bored because of the work lay-offs. So we met at a movie theater in separate cars. After the movie was over, we drove our separate cars back to his house. He was behind me about a half-mile or so. All of a sudden this huge fireball flew right past my windshield, nearly hit my car, and landed in the farmer's field near the side of the road. It was a gnarly and creepy looking fireball. I thought some stupid kids were lighting things on fire and throwing things at cars. Needless to say, I was shocked when we got back to the house and my dad said, "hey did you see that meteorite up in the sky?" Well, no, but I guess I saw that meteorite miss my car by a thread! Colin wrote: << IF we do survive death, I ceratinly hope we found out about it. one reason to look forward to it. Even after many many times doing so, I still look up at the night sky in awe...thes atrs the vastness of it all. I want to KNOW and will be royally pissed off if when dead, and assuming still 'sonscious', I don't ge tto find out!>> LOL Colin!! I will be royally pissed off too! Life is kinda like a movie or a book. Maybe we should start a club if that happens? Mia _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:13:33 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's French ancestry (if any) Tim writes: << But Joni has written and sung about things and places French, n'est-ce pas? "Free Man in Paris," "In France They Kiss on Main Street" and "Yvette in English" would be ripe for re-recording in French, non? >> Mais oui, Tim! Which begs another question for the King of Covers, who, I hear, is going to be the subject of the next Mel Gibson movie! (I have been begging for the role of one of his tormentors!) So, Mueller . . . have any Joni songs ever been translated into French and then covered? Par example, "nuit en ville," "bleu," "petite verte," "m'aider," "comme ce train exactement," ou "l'enfant terrible?" Au revior, - --Smurf, si fatigue from trying to remember college French from the last millennium ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:05:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's French ancestry (if any) --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Tim writes: > > << But Joni has written and sung about things and > places French, n'est-ce > pas? "Free Man in Paris," "In France They Kiss on > Main Street" and "Yvette > in English" would be ripe for re-recording in > French, non? >> > > Mais oui, Tim! Which begs another question for the > King of Covers, who, I > hear, is going to be the subject of the next Mel > Gibson movie! (I have been > begging for the role of one of his tormentors!) > > So, Mueller . . . have any Joni songs ever been > translated into French and > then covered? Par example, "nuit en ville," "bleu," > "petite verte," "m'aider," > "comme ce train exactement," ou "l'enfant terrible?" > > > Au revior, > > --Smurf, si fatigue from trying to remember college > French from the last > millennium This is the only place I would admit to my geekiness, but sometimes I translate Joni songs into French just for laughs. I don't go as far as writing it down, but I start trying to put the words into French to see/hear what it sounds like. I don't bother to try to make it sound correct because that would take the fun out of it. (I tried taking translation one year and it drove me nuts.) N.P. My son writing down and practicing disses to use on a kid who's been bugging him at school. Some of them are really funny & Matthew is killing himself laughing as he does this. I know I shouldn't encourage that sort of thing, but what the hey! Like mother, like son. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:58:56 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Nellie McKay, part 3, njc Sorry about forgetting the njc tag on this thread. Onward. Good God, I was right! Nellie McKay is the real thing. She does a great job on ALL of the piano parts. She wrote every song without a co-writer. Sample: in a song called "WON'T YOU PLEASE BE NICE", she directs her beau: "if you would hug your arms right 'round me that would be snug like it's supposed to be. If we part I'll eat your heart so won't you please be nice?" To my ear, she has a tango, a touch of boogie woogie, a rap, a 40's crooner, straight-ahead pop, and a bossa nova. And who created the arrangements? By now you can guess. Sincerely, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:35:47 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Orts Subject: Amy Fradon njc Okay, I have a rather geeky interest in this singer/songwriter, but I haven't heard any of her work. Does anyone know anything about the music of Amy Fradon? My interest stems mostly from her mother, who is Ramona Fradon, a cartoonist best known for her work on Aquaman comics a few decades ago. Her father was also a cartoonist, but for the New Yorker. But being interested in a cartoonist isn't really a good reason to buy a CD by her daughter. Or is it? What's the JMDL review (if any)? - -Neil ===== Neil Ellis Orts 713-838-1787 Houston, TX keep up with my creative endeavors--join my newsletter list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neonews ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:59:18 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: JONI MITCHELL HANDWRITTEN SONG LIST FOR TRAVELOGUE (2002) I never go to eBay anymore, but I got an eBay popup tonight and decided to check out what the most expensive Joni item is. Hurry! Just 13 hours to meet the starting bid of $2,225.00. Hey, Bob Sart! Buy it and you can cut up the list and rearrange the songs any way you like! From http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3805684888&category=210 The charm of this beautifully presented item is that all its stunning components came from Joni's personal Grammy-winning art director, Robbie Cavolina. The centerpiece is a track list entirely written out in Joni Mitchell's hand, a list of songs which she carefully designed to present the arc of her life for her autobiographical CD collection, Travelogue. At the last minute, however, you'll see she changed the order of the first four songs. Also in the attractive frame is the UNIQUE press proof for Cavolina's CD packaging design. And finally, indeed perhaps most poignantly, Cavolina included two candid photographs of Joni which he took himself, one of which shows her painting a self-portrait much like the one on Travelogue's cover. Joni Mitchell is one of North America's finest songwriters. This list of favorite songs in her own hand, ending in The Circle Game, has an eerie beauty. And framed with several personal items from a man who worked, played, and argued with her for yearsb&well, it's not just your nice commercial memorabilia display. Love Street Gallery is pleased to present Another Piece of the True Rock. Comes with an emotional and highly detailed letter of authenticity from Cavolina talking about Joni's process of choosing the order of her songs on an album. Provenance:: ex-Robbie Cavolina, longtime Joni Mitchell art director (song list dimensions: 4 x 7-inches; framed dimensions: 20 x 29-1/2-inches) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:34:35 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Jonatha's Latest CD (NJC) Just wondering if anyone has gotten Jonatha's newest CD "Back in the Circus" (I believe.) I'd be interested to hear others' views. I'll tell you that after being rhapsodic about her previous albums I am completely underwhelmed by this. After two listenings, I ejected it and put in "Plumb" and was again transported. I am puzzled by the lackluster musicality of this new one and of the covers which to me are just plain unnecessary (i.e., I've heard "Fire and Rain" and the Brian Wilson song the name of which now escapes me a gazillion times and I don't want to hear them repeatedly again nor do I think she does anything with them. Yes, her voice is stellar as always, but the arrangements or whatever just don't do it for me. Anyone else have something more positive to say?? Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:06:27 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Orts Subject: Re: Jonatha's Latest CD (NJC) - --- Lindsay Moon wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has gotten Jonatha's newest > CD "Back in the > Circus" (I believe.) I'd be interested to hear > others' views. I'll tell > you that after being rhapsodic about her previous > albums I am completely > underwhelmed by this. I understand how you feel, Lindsay. On first listen, I felt the same way. I was especially sorry to hear that in a couple of instances she had an unfortunate fondness for drum machines . . . But on repeated listenings, the album is growing on me. While I agree that the James Taylor and Brian Wilson covers are underwhelming, her original songs are growing on me and the title track and "Better After All" are my favorites of the album. I even like what she did with the Alan Parsons song (Eye in the Sky), turning it into this accustic ballad. I agree that there is something lacking in the production, but I can't quite put my finger on it. One thought has been that she simply didn't have the budget for this album to get the right musicians (or musicians at all--not drum machines). But then there are some big names on the album, so I'm not really sure what to think. Back in the Circus is no Ten Cent Wings (still my favorite of hers) but I don't hate it. And if she came to Houston to do a show, I'd almost be willing to sell the cat (almost) to go. I saw her twice on the last tour and I've seldom seen so much joy in a performer. She really likes playing her songs and it shows! - -Neil learned of Jonatha first through this very list! ===== Neil Ellis Orts 713-838-1787 Houston, TX keep up with my creative endeavors--join my newsletter list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neonews ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:06:39 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Jonatha's Latest CD (NJC) > Just wondering if anyone has gotten Jonatha's newest CD "Back in the > Circus" (I believe.) I'd be interested to hear others' views. I'll tell > you that after being rhapsodic about her previous albums I am completely > underwhelmed by this. I've been pretty underwhelmed by her lately. "God Only Knows" is the name of the Brian Wilson song and she also covers "Eye in the Sky" (Alan Parsons Project). The last thing she did I really liked was the live acoustic album. Victor, in the process of moving to downtown Decatur and not South Carolina Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 02:08:57 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 30 On March 30 the following articles were published: 1986: "Art Aid auction boosts famine fund" - Toronto Star (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1106 1988: "Mitchell keeps door open to posibility of tour" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=745 1988: "The Pop Life" - New York Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1100 2000: "Her Back Pages" - Hotpress (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=503 2000: "Mitchell's jazz plaintively mimes arc of modern love" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=482 2003: "'Heart and Mind' PBS 'Masters' program honors Joni Mitchell" - Associated Press (Review - Documentary) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1073 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:25:43 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC colin wrote: > As for there being no Absolute Truth- of couse there is! we just can't > access it. This should not be confused with truths on untruths regarding > criminal acts or such like. Good I'm glad that is clarified - sometimes I wonder around here. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:32:48 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC Kate wrote: > ok, this illustrates a point i was trying to make earlier, rather than > debating the point or opinion i expressed , it appears to me that you > have made an assumption of how i have formed my opinion (sometimes > people call this mind reading) ok the whole Cheney being only interested in benefiting his pals at Halliburton, the "it's all about oil" train of thought, the sweeping generalization that Bush is a puppet controlled by his corporate masters, etc. I feel sometimes like some people think we are all reading some movie plot with the evil corporate bad guys who can't wrap anything up in 90 minutes. That is what I have read from a number of people here. Are these not theories and speculation? I can't debate this anymore. I've put up sources and links to refute these charges forever here and they are either not read, not recognized or ignored. So there is no point at some point to address these theories here in discussion. There is no point in debating them because there is no give and take - just one side. That's fine at any rate. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:24:03 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC Interesting Vince - I read that too and thought it was spin because I know someone personally who is a neighbor of the female border patrol agent in Port Angeles, WA who was the one who thought to pull the car full of explosives over - not the Clinton administration. One woman's intuition - not intelligence from any formal agency and certainly not from the Clinton administration. That article is just another example of the spin which gets to me every time. The actions of that one agent was widely reported at the time and is fact. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:40:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC Azeem - this is another example of how my mind just works differently from some of the rest of you here: - Bush can't speak English properly: Oh, he's doing this on purpose, to make people think he's less smart than he is! I was just having a conversation - I said some people think he is doing it on purpose. What difference does it mean anyway in the big picture? The way he talks is some important issue in the world? It's only a topic usually raised to make fun of him. Whatever. - Cheney getting ever richer through Halliburton: Oh, he's old and rich, therefore he can't be trying to get richer, can he? Right - it doesn't make sense to me that he is trying to personally get even richer it really doesn't. - Any argument you can't find a counter to: This makes my head spin [ie it's getting too pedantic and analytical and therfore can be safely dismissed] Whatever. In addition to this, you drop in little conversational depth-charges like "conspiracy theorists" to undermine people like Kate and others who offer strong arguments against what you believe. I don't question your right to use such methods of argument, but I think for you to denigrate people from the left for not sticking to the facts is a bit bloody rich, frankly. No I find the theories absurd. Just as you no doubt think my opinions are absurd. >Are there no lengths you won't go to to think the best of the Republicans and the worst of Democrats/lefties? I don't believe there are. I really don't give a rat's ass anymore Azeem. Think whatever you want without any challenge to your opinions - that will make everyone happy. I almost hope the Democrats/leftists take over the whole world at this point. One world one thought. Careful what you wish for. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #138 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)