From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #135 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 27 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 135 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) ["Martin Giles" ] RE: words we usually mispronounce njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Sarah Harmer, njc [Ken ] Re: Arkinsaw, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Nellie McKay, part 1 [Ken ] Re: Nellie McKay, part 1 NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Sarah Harmer, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: WM3 documentary, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni in Love Actually [=?iso-8859-1?q?Tamsin=20Lucas?= ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Nellie McKay, part 1 -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Arkinsaw, NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc ["mike pritchard" ] Joni's French ancestry, ref.: 1998 "Morning Becomes Electric" ["Timothy S] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's French ancestry, ref.: 1998 "Morning Becomes Electric" [Cather] Nellie McKay - njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Nellie McKay - njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Indigo Girl, Jonatha Brook credit Joni's influence ["Victor Johnson" ] Please take me off this mailing list! ["Patty Krull" ] Re: What is reality? NJC PC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Indigo Girl, Jonatha Brook credit Joni's influence [Randy Remote ] RE: Nellie McKay, part 1 NJC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Rough weekend, njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:12:14 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Hello everyone! The point in imo, is that while religions have got an 'answer', science is examining the world around us in the search of clues that can hopefully be assembled into an answer. There is no agenda to disprove the existance of any God/s, but simply to find all the pieces of the jigsaw. Martin. In London. > ------------------------------ > Colin said.. > It seems to me there is a giant piece(or maybe a tiny piece) of the > jigsaw missing and nither science or religion can find that piece..... > so in the meantime we must live with not knwoing which I think is more > honest than coming up with an idea and beleiving it as Truth. > > - -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > man, first desultory, now forte. is there any word > in english that i know > how to pronounce?????? > wally, loving all things phonetic Be of good cheer, Wally. I've spoken the feckin' language all my life and always say for-TAY and, if I ever SAID it, would say de-SUL-tory. I'm now loSING all conFIdence in my ABility to speak EnGLISH. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:20:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc -- desultory --- Smurfycopy@aol.com AKA Myron wrote: I was > first introduced to it [the word desultory] on a Simon & Garfunkle ablbum > back in the 60s, so I have > been aware of it for about 40 years and, like you, I > have seen it in writing. > (The lyrics are below, but S & G never actually use > the word in the song.) > > --Myron > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > A Simple Desultory Philippic (Or How I Was Robert > McNamara'd Into Submission) > (2:12) > P. Simon, 1965 > > I been Norman Mailered, Maxwell Taylored > I been John O'Hara'd, McNamara'd > I been Rolling Stoned and Beatled till I'm blind GAG! How can we tell Paul Simon was very young when he wrote this? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:15:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc and lily tomlin --- hell wrote: > The first volume of Janet Frame's autobiography is > called "To The Is-land", > pronounced as you've described above, since she and > her sisters and brother > always assumed as children, that IS-land was > correct. That's because an island IS land. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:42:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc --- dsk wrote: > Oh, yes, I think so, too. One word I learned from > reading and then > mispronounced when I said it was "awry". I'd heard > it in my head as > AWE-ree instead of uh-WRY, which is so much easier > to say I remember > being happy when I learned how to say it correctly. I used to think it was AWry too. And likewise have trouble with the word "rural" - a lot of people do and it ends up sounding either like "ural" or "roo-el". Another one I got wrong was askance. When someone looks askance at someone, I thought it meant they were looking in a questioning way, so "ASK-ance". But it really means giving a sidelong sort of look and it's pronounced a-SKANCE. There are probably many more. A co-worker of mine thought gingham was pronounced with a soft g (which I suppose it should because of the i after it, but that's just crazy English for you). Some of those nucular/nuclear things that drive me nuts (you hear this and see it in writing as well) are: "renumeration" for "remuneration"; "prostrate" for "prostate"; "windshield factor" for "wind chill factor" ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:50:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nellie McKay, part 1 NJC "How many songwriters have a 2-disc debut on Columbia Records? " Well, if each disc totals around 30 minutes, as these do, then you're talking a 60 minute debut which in these days & times is not quite as impressive in and of itself, BUT what matters here is that these 60 minutes of Nellie are kickass. Hard to believe she's 19. We'll be hearing a lot from her, just you wait. Bob NP: REM, "Nightswimming" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:56:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc "Taste. Who understands it. " Boy, ain't it the truth...I mean you dig Sarah Harmer fer cryin out loud! :~) Just joshin' of course, Ken...to be truthful I haven't heard the other clips from her cd yet myself. All I've heard is her BSN which I thought was wonderful. Then again, you have to understand that I listen to a LOT of BSN's so the decent ones really stand out. And Ron, you have a good point as well. I've heard several covers post T'log and my first thoughts have been "Man, why didn't Joni use an arrangement like THIS?" Bob NP: Squarepusher, "My Red Hot Car" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:19:27 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: words we usually mispronounce njc Deb wrote: >Oh my god I'm 48 years old and an English major, and I've been >mispronouncing "desultory" too! I had to chime in on this topic! Since English is a fluid language and everyone says it that way, do you think it will be changed (in dictionaries) in the future? Another word that sounds wrong when said correctly is, "diphthong." Also, I always thought that there was no such word as, "orientate," but it actually is in the dictionary. It means to face East, so I don't think people are using it correctly when they mean to say "orient." Kerry (who will spend all day today at an Orton-Gillingham class to learn even more about English....) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:38:17 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc Hahaha :) I always tell my wife when she puts on something I abdore, just kidding of course, "There's 2 kinds of taste. My taste and bad taste" Ken SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > "Taste. Who understands it. " > > > > Boy, ain't it the truth...I mean you dig Sarah Harmer fer cryin out > loud! :~) > > > > Just joshin' of course, Ken...to be truthful I haven't heard the other > clips from her cd yet myself. All I've heard is her BSN which I > thought was wonderful. Then again, you have to understand that I > listen to a LOT of BSN's so the decent ones really stand out. > > > > And Ron, you have a good point as well. I've heard several covers post > T'log and my first thoughts have been "Man, why didn't Joni use an > arrangement like THIS?" > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Squarepusher, "My Red Hot Car" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:39:45 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Arkinsaw, NJC Catherine wrote: How come it's Kansas, but not Ar-Kansas? Hi Catherine, Well, it all boils down to politics. As the story goes, early in our state's history, two senators argued about how to spell and speak the name of our state... one wanted Arkan"saw" and one wanted Ar"kansas." In the late 1800's to solve the disagreement the state came up with a legal resolution that we would spell it Arkansas and say it Arkansaw. The word Arkansas means "south wind." But some people think our state got it's name from the bible, claiming it is the only state mentioned in the bible: Noah looked off the Ark-an-saw land. For sure, we take our liberties with prounciation here. I live near a small town called Levy... pronounced "Lee vy." There is a big Wal-Mart distribution center in a town called Searcy... pronounced Sir-cy. We have no discrepancy about how to pronounce the names of other places in Arkansas though, easy names like like Toad Suck, Bald Knob, and "Y" City. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:42:00 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Nellie McKay, part 1 Ok that does it. I can't keep up. I've just opened a note pad file on my desktop called "Music To Listen To" Nellie McKay is on the top of the list. Thanks Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >The recording engineer on Dark Side Of the Moon was Allan Parsons. > >The recording engineer on Abbey Road was Geoff Emerick. Unless there are 2 >Geoff Emericks in the music business, he also produced the debut album by >the punk-ass, classically trained, insanely inventive, Nellie McKay. > >How many songwriters have a 2-disc debut on Columbia Records? In addition, >she plays piano, recorder, vibes, and much more. She croons like an old >pro, then cusses with offhanded zeal on the next track. Holy crow, this >woman has talent. She has a full-on team of talent along for the ride, >fleshing out many stylistic changes. > >Either she's psychotic or she's the real thing. > >Very sincerely indeed, > >Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:00:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nellie McKay, part 1 NJC "Nellie McKay is on the top of the list." Just keep in mind what Jim said...she sings in MANY different styles on this record, from eminem-style rap-hop to lounge jazz, and none of it sounds out of place. A very fresh voice. So if you're not nutty about the first track you sample, realize that it might be totally different from the rest of the disc. Bob NP: Heather Nova, "Heart & Shoulder" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:03:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc "I always tell my wife when she puts on something I abdore" "abdore"???? Is that kind of a cross between abhor (to loathe) & adore (to love)? Sounds like you're hedging your bets there Ken, but sometimes you have to do that where wives are concerned. Bob NP: Rufus Wainwright, "Vicious World" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:02:47 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: WM3 documentary, NJC Wally wrote: i saw this documentary! i remember one of the boys, a chubby, pretty articulate kid, had dyed his hair black to look more "gothic". it was a very sad film. so the case was never reviewed? Hi Wally! Cool that you saw this documentary. I wish more people would see it so more would push for the case to be re-tried. So far, the court has refused to put it up for a retrial. There are actually two movies about it: Paradise Lost, and Paradise Lost: Revelations. I rented the later one from NetFlix; they didn't have the first one. It was very thought provoking but was hard to watch during certain parts. I feel just sick to think that Damien Echols (the boy you refer to) is soon to come up for execution when the case was so poorly handled, and he is very likely innocent. Damien recently got married to a classy lady from New York who learned about him from the documentary. It is an incredible love story! There are more people who are actively protesting this case outside of Arkansas than from inside the state. The whole thing seems to me like a tragic result of witch hunting. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:44:32 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tamsin=20Lucas?= Subject: Joni in Love Actually I'm guessing this may well have been discussed while I was on sabbatical, if so apologies for the repetition. I saw the DVD of Love, Actually last night which was mostly quite dire apart from the Joni stuff. Emma Thompson's character is shown being derided by her husband (who is on the brink of an office affair) for still listening to JM and her characters says "I love her, and true love lasts a life time". Later on in the movie Thompson's character is expecting/hoping to get a necklace she has aleady seen from her husband for Christmas (which he has actually given to his mistress) - the package turns out to be a copy of Both Sides Now. There is a good moment where her character is going through the emotional impact of this on her alone while listening to the BSN version of BSN, it fits the moment very well and seems to encompass her pain and longing. Anyways, sorry if this came up already. - --------------------------------- WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:45:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc --- kerry wrote: > Also, I always thought that there was no such word > as, "orientate," but it > actually is in the dictionary. It means to face > East, so I don't think > people are using it correctly when they mean to say > "orient." Here's another one that drives me nuts and that I hear people say ALL the time - "fulsome" when they mean "full" or "fuller" or "more complete" or "add more STUFF", as in "I need a more fulsome response to this issue" or "We're looking for a fulsome sound when we sing this one." I have had to bite my tongue SO many times because the people I've heard saying this are my superiors in whatever situation I'm in, and they're using this terrible word in front of a room full of people who either don't understand how wrong it is, or are being uncomfortably polite - you can't stand up and yell, "I don't think you mean FULSOME, do you?" and embarass them and possibly get yourself fired at the same time. Of course, I will do this when it becomes necessary for the sake of my own sanity! Stuck in Fulsome Prison with those Memphis blues again. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:59:45 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc CatHERine writes: << Some of those nucular/nuclear things that drive me nuts >> A friend's wife says "supposably" for "supposedly." And she seems to work it into every conversation. This has been going on since they met more than a dozen years ago. Would I be out of line if I killed her for this? - --Smurf, wondering WWSMD (What Would Serial Mom Do?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:10:00 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc Knew I should have used my smelling checker. Seriously I thought there was such a word. Guess I meant abhor. With wives it's the best thing to do. By the way did check out Nellie. I checked out the video from letterman then listened to Manhattan Avenue from the CD. What a voice. She is stagering. Well she had me staggering anyway. Ken SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > "I always tell my wife when she puts on something I abdore" > > > > > > "abdore"???? > > > > Is that kind of a cross between abhor (to loathe) & adore (to love)? > > Sounds like you're hedging your bets there Ken, but sometimes you have > to do that where wives are concerned. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Rufus Wainwright, "Vicious World" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:19:19 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc KerRY writes: << Another word that sounds wrong when said correctly is, "diphthong." >> Sounds like a particularly tight undergarment! <> Well, I guess we really do learn something new every day! (And "every day"/"everyday" is another one that bothers me in writing, as in "we learn something new 'everyday'." The word "everyday" is an adjective and can be used as such, as in "Such are the dreams of the everyday housewife." But it ain't never gonna be a noun. There have been signs at the Harvard Coop bookstore forever that say "Low prices everyday" for more than a year now. I keep waiting for some Harvard genius to point out their mistake to them. And that reminds me of the sign outside every Buck-A-Book: "Kid's Books" What kid's books?) "Orientate" reminds me of "decimate," which means -- or once meant -- to kill every tenth person! And then there's "preventative" which a friend pointed out to me a few years ago is "preventive." - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:22:54 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nellie McKay, part 1 -- NJC Okay, if no one else is going to say it, I will. "Nellie McKay" sounds like what the mean little neighborhood boys called Catherine's gay brother! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:26:09 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Arkinsaw, NJC How come it's Kansas, but not Ar-Kansas? Spanish newsreaders ALWAYS say Ar-Kansas mik in bcn (taking a leaf from Vin's book) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:31:31 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc I wrote: << There have been signs at the Harvard Coop bookstore forever that say "Low prices everyday" for more than a year now. >> Hmm . . . "forever" and "for more than a year" . . . What an idiot! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:59:21 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc >>Oh, yes, I think so, too. One word I learned from reading and then mispronounced when I said it was "awry". I'd heard it in my head as AWE-ree instead of uh-WRY, which is so much easier to say I remember being happy when I learned how to say it correctly.>> I remember the first time I read Catch-22 and seeing 'awry' for the first time, probly (sic) a description of Nately's death (who remembers now?). I also remember (many years previously) asking my mother the meaning of the word 'ahem' that appeared in a 'Perishers' cartoon strip. While she cleared her throat a few times I waited eagerly for the answer, only to see her turn on her heels and return to the kitchen. I am still waiting for the answer... mi in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:07:32 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: lori speaks funny njc >>one of the girl puppies is a big, robust gal-like a russian shotputter. so we have named her Olga<< m (in pedant mode) says that the classic Soviet (IHHO) shotputters were the Press sisters, Tamara and Irina if I remember correctly. Could Colin be thinking of these two and confusing them with the more delicate Olga Korbut. Or was that Nadia Komenech ? in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:45:19 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Joni's French ancestry, ref.: 1998 "Morning Becomes Electric" In onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 27 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 085 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:02:43 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 27 On March 27 the following articles were published: 1988: "Joni Mitchell Brushes up her Style" - Detroit Free Press (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=970 1998: "Morning Becomes Eclectic" - KCRW-FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=748 .... and in the second one, Joni said, "I have French blood." This is the first time I remember reading, in either the archived articles or on the list itself, that Joni has French ancestry. I recall previous mention of Irish, Scottish, Norwegian and Indian (Native American, First Nations). Comment? Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:45:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > A friend's wife says "supposably" for "supposedly." > And she seems to work it > into every conversation. This has been going on > since they met more than a > dozen years ago. Would I be out of line if I killed > her for this? > > --Smurf, wondering WWSMD (What Would Serial Mom Do?) Another one: pacific for specific. Could you be more pacific? You're too atlantic for me! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:51:39 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Indigo Girl, Jonatha Brook credit Joni's influence A magazine I received recently (I tried to find the review again, but was unable) of the new Indigo Girls album (as is my wont, I use the term "album" for the content, irrespective of the medium, e.g., compact disc, tape cassette, Internet download) says one of the Indigo Girls cites Joni as an influence, and in fact, said new album contains the I.G.s' cover of a Joni song. As I can't find the review, I can't say which Joni song, but Bob M., if this was not on your radar screen heretofore, it is now. Meanwhile, an "underwriting announcement" (on public radio station WXPN) touting an appearance by Jonatha Brook at the Philadelphia (or vicinity) venue The Strand says, in part, "Influenced by Joni Mitchell, Jonatha Brook appears at The Strand .... ." Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > > "Orientate" reminds me of "decimate," which means -- > or once meant -- to kill > every tenth person! > > And then there's "preventative" which a friend > pointed out to me a few years > ago is "preventive." English-speakers who want to sound importantous like to add extraneous syllabifications to words or to utilize the latinatious formulation instead of shorter anglo-saxon words. I run into this at my job all the time. It's doubly pain-in-the-assy when work in government, because it's all part of the bureaucratic idiom - baffle them with bullshit! Then ask someone what it means in English and they'll tell you it can't be said any other way or it might be subject to misinterpretation! HA HA HA! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:56:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Nellie McKay, part 1 -- NJC --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Okay, if no one else is going to say it, I will. > "Nellie McKay" sounds like > what the mean little neighborhood boys called > Catherine's gay brother! > He may be gay but he's tough as nails - whenever someone called him that, he'd smack'em with his purse! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:58:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's French ancestry, ref.: 1998 "Morning Becomes Electric" --- Timothy Spong wrote: > > .... and in the second one, Joni said, "I have > French blood." This is the > first time I remember reading, in either the > archived articles or on the > list itself, that Joni has French ancestry. I recall > previous mention of > Irish, Scottish, Norwegian and Indian (Native > American, First Nations). > Comment? Yeah, Joni's fullashit! :-D ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:07:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Nellie McKay - njc If you want to know what she sounds like, check this out (then report back - LOL): http://www.nelliemckay.net/mp3s/InnerPeace.mp3 ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:14:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Nellie McKay - njc --- Catherine McKay wrote: > If you want to know what she sounds like, check this > out (then report back - LOL): > http://www.nelliemckay.net/mp3s/InnerPeace.mp3 or this: http://www.nelliemckay.net/mp3s/David.mp3 ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:22:57 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Indigo Girl, Jonatha Brook credit Joni's influence one of the Indigo Girls cites Joni as an > influence, and in fact, said new album contains the I.G.s' cover of a Joni > song. As I can't find the review, I can't say which Joni song, but Bob M., > if this was not on your radar screen heretofore, it is now. Unless there's a bonus track out there somewhere, the only Joni cover they have done is "River" on the live "curfews" album. Maybe she was referring to this. Victor, who's seen Emily twice this week but she's always with her butch girlfriend who's not very friendly Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com one of the Indigo Girls cites Joni as an > influence, and in fact, said new album contains the I.G.s' cover of a Joni > song. As I can't find the review, I can't say which Joni song, but Bob M., > if this was not on your radar screen heretofore, it is now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:27:01 +0000 From: "Patty Krull" Subject: Please take me off this mailing list! Please take me off this mailing list. Too much politics. I thought we were going to discuss music! Sincerely, pmkrull@hotmail.com > > > > > : >-------- > Re: Sarah Harmer, njc [Ken >] > Nellie McKay, part 1 ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" >] > Re: Sarah Harmer, njc ["ron" >] > Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [dsk >] > Today's Library Links: March 27 >[ljirvin@jmdl.com] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:10:34 -0500 >From: vince >Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC > > >> I wonder about people who always claim that truth is whatever they > >> decide it is in the constructs of their minds. Sure, there are > >> individual and subjective interpretations but how would they like > >> it if they were falsely accused of a crime and on trial and their > >> defense lawyers presented all the "facts" that would serve to > >> prove they were innocent. Then the jury comes back convicting > >> them anyway because "it's not about facts, there is no absolute > >> truth, and truth is whatever I believe it to be in the constructs > >> of my mind." Geez. > >> > >> > >> >Kate gave us a link to a New York Observer article which includes this >line: "...the Clinton administration foiled the Millennium plot to blow >up LAX..." > >I have no recollection of anyone in LA currently posting offering a >thank you to the Clinton administration. > >I realize this is an inconvenient "fact" but since some people have all >"facts" and "truth" while the rest of us have just "constructs" of the >mind [a very arrogant and insulting phrase by the way but what do I know >since I am without the "facts" and "truth" and limited by my mere >"constructs"] > >I want to see the Clinton administration thanked. > >Vince > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:24:13 +0100 >From: Emiliano >Subject: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc (for aol, non-mac users) > >Wally says: > > > man, first desultory, now forte. is there any word in english that i >know > > how to pronounce?????? > > wally, loving all things phonetic > > > >yeah, dear, english is cuh-ray-zee! >Emiliano, so out of time... > > > > > > > Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - > > > George Jean Nathan > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:04:09 -0500 >From: Deb Messling >Subject: RE: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc > >Oh my god I'm 48 years old and an English major, and I've been >mispronouncing "desultory" too! I wonder how you pronounce "Philippic." >(I'm alluding to the Simon and Garfunkel song, for the benefit of the >younger listers here). > >My theory is that people who are avid readers mispronounce a lot of words, >because they have a huge vocabulary of words they've seen in print, but >never heard spoken. I've been in situations where I'm talking and start a >sentence intending to use a word I suddenly realize I have no idea how to >pronounce. > > > >At 02:56 PM 3/26/2004 -0300, you wrote: > > >desultory! i've just learned that it's pronounced DES-sultory and not > >de-SUL-tory as i've always pronounced it. > >- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Deb Messling -^..^- >messling@enter.net >- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:50:16 -0500 >From: vince >Subject: njc George Harrison > >I tonight have purchased the last item that I needed to own all the >official George Harrison and Beatles official releases on cd and dvd - I >am so happy! > >and with having all the Janis and Joni official releases out there I >feel so very acquistionally American. > >I have the Joplin box set next to the George box set and they are >getting along well in a decorative sort of shelf art way--- Joni's TLog >cover makes her look a standoffish lost next to George and Janis > > >Vince NP if you don't know where you're going any road will take you there > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:58:19 EST >From: Smurfycopy@aol.com >Subject: amiright.com > >An interesting site if you're into parodies and misheard lyrics. Here's >what >they have for the Joanster: > >http://www.amiright.com/artists/jonimitchell.shtml > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:07:37 -0500 >From: Ken >Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc > >I did take a listen to Terry Gonda. Taste. Who understands it. Both >Sides Now >was probebly the one piece on the album I didn't like. >Then again I never really liked Judy Collins version either. >Thought the rest was pretty good. >Ken > >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > > >Since you mentioned it though, I'll mention that just > >yesterday Terry Gonda released her CD called "Love, Lose, > >Repeat" and it's available at CDBaby. Those of us who have > >heard it were blown away by her outstanding version of > >"Both Sides Now", which she made her own...NO SMALL FEAT. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:08:23 -0500 >From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" >Subject: Nellie McKay, part 1 > >The recording engineer on Dark Side Of the Moon was Allan Parsons. > >The recording engineer on Abbey Road was Geoff Emerick. Unless there are 2 >Geoff Emericks in the music business, he also produced the debut album by >the punk-ass, classically trained, insanely inventive, Nellie McKay. > >How many songwriters have a 2-disc debut on Columbia Records? In addition, >she plays piano, recorder, vibes, and much more. She croons like an old >pro, then cusses with offhanded zeal on the next track. Holy crow, this >woman has talent. She has a full-on team of talent along for the ride, >fleshing out many stylistic changes. > >Either she's psychotic or she's the real thing. > >Very sincerely indeed, > >Jim L'Hommedieu > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:24:02 +0200 >From: "ron" >Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc > >hi > > > >>>>bob wrote > >>>>Those of us who have heard it were blown away by her >outstanding >version of "Both Sides Now", which she made her own...NO SMALL FEAT.<<<<<< > > > >>>>>ken replied > >>>>> I did take a listen to Terry Gonda. Taste. Who understands it. Both >Sides Now was probebly the one piece on the album I didn't like. Then again >I never really liked Judy Collins version either.<<<<< > >taste is definitely *very* subjective. imagine how boring life would be if >popular taste was the final arbiter. > >anyway - count me in the group who think shes pretty damn good. > >but i really dont think shes made BSN her own. rather, i think shes done >what joni tried to do on T'Log. shes infused it with a world weariness, a >retrospective viewpoint filled with a lifetime of experience. you really >get >the picture - shes seen clouds from both sides now, repeatedly, not just >once or twice. > >she got the words wrong tho (i think??) - "but now they only black the sun" >:-) > >this one goes on my shopping list. > >but im 100% with ken on the judy collins. in fact i never quite got any of >judy's music at all. > > >ron >np - terry gonda - jean > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 01:28:42 -0500 >From: dsk >Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc > >Deb Messling wrote: > > > > My theory is that people who are avid readers mispronounce a lot of >words, > > because they have a huge vocabulary of words they've seen in print, but > > never heard spoken. > >Oh, yes, I think so, too. One word I learned from reading and then >mispronounced when I said it was "awry". I'd heard it in my head as >AWE-ree instead of uh-WRY, which is so much easier to say I remember >being happy when I learned how to say it correctly. > >Another enjoyable "really?" experience as a kid was reading a book with >lots of French "oui"s in it and thinking ow ow ow, and then I found out >it's the much more pleasant sounding weeeee. That was nice. > >The one word I always have trouble saying is "rural", and since we lived >on a country road when I was growing up, our address was a Rural Route >number (and that's "root" not "rowt"), so I had to say it more than I >wanted to. The urrr part of rural tickles my tonsils, which then makes >me laugh, and then I really can't get the word out. I don't know of any >other tonsil-tickling word in English. Other people can say rural >without having to intensely concentrate, but I can't. > >To back up to some earlier messages: > >Supper is the evening meal. Dinner is the big midday meal, especially on >Sunday around 1 or 2 after church, even for families who don't usually >go to church (like ours). If it's a day with a dinner, such as a Sunday >or holiday or most days when people still worked the farm, then that >evening's meal is lighter and is called supper. If it's a day with lunch >as the midday meal (and I think "lunch" may be a rather new term), then >dinner is the evening meal and it's still the biggest one of the day. (I >didn't realize that dinner/supper was so complicated.) > >I don't know anything about Arrowhead Mills peanut butter, but do know >that their organic yellow cornmeal makes the very best hush puppies! >Flourless and yummy and easily pronounceable! > >Debra Shea > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been in situations where I'm talking and start a > > sentence intending to use a word I suddenly realize I have no idea how >to > > pronounce. > > > > At 02:56 PM 3/26/2004 -0300, you wrote: > > > > >desultory! i've just learned that it's pronounced DES-sultory and not > > >de-SUL-tory as i've always pronounced it. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Deb Messling -^..^- > > messling@enter.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:02:43 -0500 >From: ljirvin@jmdl.com >Subject: Today's Library Links: March 27 > >On March 27 the following articles were published: > > >1988: "Joni Mitchell Brushes up her Style" - Detroit Free Press > (Interview) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=970 > > >1998: "Morning Becomes Eclectic" - KCRW-FM > (Interview - Audio Transcription) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=748 > >------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2004 #134 >***************************** > >------- >Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe >------- >Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:49:11 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Now the string theory says that our Universe (which is 4 dimensional: time, height, width, & length) was created when two sets of 10-dimensional membranes in the meta-verse bumped into each other. The membranes (or "brains" to the theorists) bounced off each other, leaving behind mini-membrane of only 4-dimensions. During the bounce, the Creation if you will, this 4 dimensional membrane inherited an enormous amount of energy. This inherited energy threw matter outward, creating "space" as the matter traveled, our "Big Bang". It sounds to me like what the Buddhists have been saying all along. This particular Universe is the latest in a loooong history of universes. Where did the previous one come from? I guess I'll answer that question with a riddle: Q: Where is the seam of a soap bubble? A: The seam is everywhere. Sincerely, Jim Colin said, >okay. so how did that something get there? it still amounts to the same thing doesn't it? if their weas a universe before the Big Bang created this one, how did the previous one get there? So somehting must have come from nothing, origianlly, evn if they now say they don't meant hat with the Big Bang....> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:20:51 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Fact NJC PC Jerry Notaro wrote: > And, some people consider it a fact that the music business is corrupt and > dirty! Not really....only the ones that have been involved with it..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:21:11 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC About the USA's "detainment camp" (I think), Colin wrote: > How can USA hold it's head up and have this place? To which I replied: > I am always amazed when people seem to think that 280 million Americans are > all in agreement about anything. The people on this list can't even agree on > anything! And Colin countered with: > and it amazes me that people would think one was referring to anything other > than the govt-which does not consist of 280 million people. Me again: Sorry, but to me the sentence "How can USA hold it's head up and have this place?" does not sound at all as if it is referring to the government of the US. I would be happy to admit to a mistake, but I don't see that my interpretation of this is out of line. If I said "How can the UK have a royal family and hold up its head?" would you think I meant the government of your country? Of course not. Colin also added: > or that one would just slam the usa govt when other emails show evidence to > th contrary. Me one last time: I honestly have absolutely no idea what this means. It appears to me that you said in your first statement that you were being critical of the US government, and this sentence seems to mean that you would be unlikely to just "slam the usa govt" because you have a history of not having done so. If anyone can tell me what "or that one would just slam the usa govt when other emails show evidence to th contrary" means, please do so. I am not being purposely obtuse, as some people often are in political discussions here. I am totally confused. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:25:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Indigo Girl, Jonatha Brook credit Joni's influence Timothy Spong wrote: > (as is my wont, I use the term "album" > for the content, irrespective of the medium, e.g., compact disc, tape > cassette, Internet download) I use this term, too....it is just as correct (or incorrect) as it was during the LP days....I believe the term "album" comes from the days of 78 rpm records, with one song per side. Collections of several records were sold in books that looked like photo albums. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:28:56 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Rough weekend, njc My car was towed sometime on Sunday by the police and they didn't get the message to me for 6 days. When I asked the police on Monday at noon if they towed my car they said "No". When I asked the police on Tuesday morning at 11AM if they towed my car, they said, "No." When I reported it stolen on Tuesday at noon, they took my home phone and told me they'd "call me if" my car was recovered. Instead they used the slowest possible means of contact: a registered letter. I got a note in my mailbox directing me to report to the Post Office (the next day) to collect my registered letter. I parked on Saturday night in a spot that would become a loading zone on Monday morning, in front of a business. The business was closed all day Sunday and Monday. The business owner did not request the tow but because he has a garage door on his building, the loading zone is technically a "driveway" which trumps the sign describing the restricted hours. Parking in a driveway is serious because it is a fire code violation. Anyway, now I owe the City of Covington * for towing my car * for a sizable ticket for parking in a "driveway". * for storing my car for more than a full week. Naturally I have to pay the city for storing my car on those days when they told me they *DIDN'T* have my car when they really *DID* have my car. * I owe the City a flat $20 for the registered letter they sent me instead of picking up the phone. This conveniently added several days to the storage charge. They don't accept personal checks or debit cards. Cash only. Naturally, they have short hours during which someone can pick up their own property, which also extended my storage charges. I could have recovered my car on Monday if they had answered my question correctly. Because they didn't, the storage charges are now so expensive that I can't cover the amount until payday. * Because my car was not stolen, my Comprehensive insurance doesn't kick in. I have been renting a car at my own expense. Too bad it wasn't stolen. In any event, I will never park in front of a garage door overnight. Not even on Saturday night in the inner city. Sheesh. By the time this is all done, it will cost as much as monthly rent, not to mention the derision from my co-workers. Sincerely, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:35:25 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Nellie McKay, part 1 NJC I didn't add up the playing time. Hmm. That's strange; why would Columbia put 60 minutes of material on 2 discs? The moods are *slightly* different between the 2 but not a lot different. Many of the tempos are frenetic. Do they think that after 30 minutes of Nellie, we might need a break? She's 19, going on 32, I'd say. Maybe she went to Dylan's school. :) All the best, Jim From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Well, if each disc totals around 30 minutes, as these do, then you're talking a 60 minute debut which in these days & times is not quite as impressive in and of itself, BUT what matters here is that these 60 minutes of Nellie are kickass. Hard to believe she's 19. We'll be hearing a lot from her, just you wait. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:45:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Rough weekend, njc --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > My car was towed sometime on Sunday by the police > and they didn't get the > message to me for 6 days. When I asked the police > on Monday at noon if they > towed my car they said "No". > Here's what I would do but only because I'm a pain in the ass about stuff like this, when I see the tremendous waste of resources and just plain stupidity at work. First you pay your damn fine and get the car back (next time, be careful where you park it). I don't think you will be able to take it and pay later - - ever read Tom Wolfe's "A man in full"?). Take the exact contents of the e-mail you just sent to all of us and send it to: - - your mayor - - your city representative - - your state reps - - the editors of all major daily newspapers in and around your city I am reasonably sure you will get responses of one kind or another from most, if not all of them, and that you will get SOME kind of sympathy and possibly at least a partial refund of some of the money you've had to pay. You can't be the only person who has gone through this. Regardless (not irregardless) of the fact that you done something wrong (and you admit that you did), there's a lot of stupid, bureaucratic BS that went on there. It's a waste of your time and a waste of a lot of people's time and - most important - a waste of the taxpayers' money that they can't run this operation more efficiently (unless it's a deliberate scam - if so, it needs to be revealed). At the very least, you will have had the opportunity to vent about it in a public forum and I'm very sure many reading about it in the papers will empathize. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #135 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)