From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #134 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 27 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 134 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: What is reality? NJC PC [vince ] Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc (for aol, non-mac users) [Emiliano ] RE: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc [Deb Messling ] amiright.com [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Sarah Harmer, njc [Ken ] Nellie McKay, part 1 ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Sarah Harmer, njc ["ron" ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [dsk ] Today's Library Links: March 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:10:34 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC >> I wonder about people who always claim that truth is whatever they >> decide it is in the constructs of their minds. Sure, there are >> individual and subjective interpretations but how would they like >> it if they were falsely accused of a crime and on trial and their >> defense lawyers presented all the "facts" that would serve to >> prove they were innocent. Then the jury comes back convicting >> them anyway because "it's not about facts, there is no absolute >> truth, and truth is whatever I believe it to be in the constructs >> of my mind." Geez. >> >> >> Kate gave us a link to a New York Observer article which includes this line: "...the Clinton administration foiled the Millennium plot to blow up LAX..." I have no recollection of anyone in LA currently posting offering a thank you to the Clinton administration. I realize this is an inconvenient "fact" but since some people have all "facts" and "truth" while the rest of us have just "constructs" of the mind [a very arrogant and insulting phrase by the way but what do I know since I am without the "facts" and "truth" and limited by my mere "constructs"] I want to see the Clinton administration thanked. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:24:13 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc (for aol, non-mac users) Wally says: > man, first desultory, now forte. is there any word in english that i know > how to pronounce?????? > wally, loving all things phonetic > yeah, dear, english is cuh-ray-zee! Emiliano, so out of time... > > > > Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - > > George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:04:09 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc Oh my god I'm 48 years old and an English major, and I've been mispronouncing "desultory" too! I wonder how you pronounce "Philippic." (I'm alluding to the Simon and Garfunkel song, for the benefit of the younger listers here). My theory is that people who are avid readers mispronounce a lot of words, because they have a huge vocabulary of words they've seen in print, but never heard spoken. I've been in situations where I'm talking and start a sentence intending to use a word I suddenly realize I have no idea how to pronounce. At 02:56 PM 3/26/2004 -0300, you wrote: >desultory! i've just learned that it's pronounced DES-sultory and not >de-SUL-tory as i've always pronounced it. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:50:16 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc George Harrison I tonight have purchased the last item that I needed to own all the official George Harrison and Beatles official releases on cd and dvd - I am so happy! and with having all the Janis and Joni official releases out there I feel so very acquistionally American. I have the Joplin box set next to the George box set and they are getting along well in a decorative sort of shelf art way--- Joni's TLog cover makes her look a standoffish lost next to George and Janis Vince NP if you don't know where you're going any road will take you there ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:58:19 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: amiright.com An interesting site if you're into parodies and misheard lyrics. Here's what they have for the Joanster: http://www.amiright.com/artists/jonimitchell.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:07:37 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc I did take a listen to Terry Gonda. Taste. Who understands it. Both Sides Now was probebly the one piece on the album I didn't like. Then again I never really liked Judy Collins version either. Thought the rest was pretty good. Ken SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > >Since you mentioned it though, I'll mention that just >yesterday Terry Gonda released her CD called "Love, Lose, >Repeat" and it's available at CDBaby. Those of us who have >heard it were blown away by her outstanding version of >"Both Sides Now", which she made her own...NO SMALL FEAT. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:08:23 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Nellie McKay, part 1 The recording engineer on Dark Side Of the Moon was Allan Parsons. The recording engineer on Abbey Road was Geoff Emerick. Unless there are 2 Geoff Emericks in the music business, he also produced the debut album by the punk-ass, classically trained, insanely inventive, Nellie McKay. How many songwriters have a 2-disc debut on Columbia Records? In addition, she plays piano, recorder, vibes, and much more. She croons like an old pro, then cusses with offhanded zeal on the next track. Holy crow, this woman has talent. She has a full-on team of talent along for the ride, fleshing out many stylistic changes. Either she's psychotic or she's the real thing. Very sincerely indeed, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:24:02 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc hi >>>>bob wrote >>>>Those of us who have heard it were blown away by her outstanding version of "Both Sides Now", which she made her own...NO SMALL FEAT.<<<<<< >>>>>ken replied >>>>> I did take a listen to Terry Gonda. Taste. Who understands it. Both Sides Now was probebly the one piece on the album I didn't like. Then again I never really liked Judy Collins version either.<<<<< taste is definitely *very* subjective. imagine how boring life would be if popular taste was the final arbiter. anyway - count me in the group who think shes pretty damn good. but i really dont think shes made BSN her own. rather, i think shes done what joni tried to do on T'Log. shes infused it with a world weariness, a retrospective viewpoint filled with a lifetime of experience. you really get the picture - shes seen clouds from both sides now, repeatedly, not just once or twice. she got the words wrong tho (i think??) - "but now they only black the sun" :-) this one goes on my shopping list. but im 100% with ken on the judy collins. in fact i never quite got any of judy's music at all. ron np - terry gonda - jean ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 01:28:42 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc Deb Messling wrote: > > My theory is that people who are avid readers mispronounce a lot of words, > because they have a huge vocabulary of words they've seen in print, but > never heard spoken. Oh, yes, I think so, too. One word I learned from reading and then mispronounced when I said it was "awry". I'd heard it in my head as AWE-ree instead of uh-WRY, which is so much easier to say I remember being happy when I learned how to say it correctly. Another enjoyable "really?" experience as a kid was reading a book with lots of French "oui"s in it and thinking ow ow ow, and then I found out it's the much more pleasant sounding weeeee. That was nice. The one word I always have trouble saying is "rural", and since we lived on a country road when I was growing up, our address was a Rural Route number (and that's "root" not "rowt"), so I had to say it more than I wanted to. The urrr part of rural tickles my tonsils, which then makes me laugh, and then I really can't get the word out. I don't know of any other tonsil-tickling word in English. Other people can say rural without having to intensely concentrate, but I can't. To back up to some earlier messages: Supper is the evening meal. Dinner is the big midday meal, especially on Sunday around 1 or 2 after church, even for families who don't usually go to church (like ours). If it's a day with a dinner, such as a Sunday or holiday or most days when people still worked the farm, then that evening's meal is lighter and is called supper. If it's a day with lunch as the midday meal (and I think "lunch" may be a rather new term), then dinner is the evening meal and it's still the biggest one of the day. (I didn't realize that dinner/supper was so complicated.) I don't know anything about Arrowhead Mills peanut butter, but do know that their organic yellow cornmeal makes the very best hush puppies! Flourless and yummy and easily pronounceable! Debra Shea I've been in situations where I'm talking and start a > sentence intending to use a word I suddenly realize I have no idea how to > pronounce. > > At 02:56 PM 3/26/2004 -0300, you wrote: > > >desultory! i've just learned that it's pronounced DES-sultory and not > >de-SUL-tory as i've always pronounced it. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > messling@enter.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:02:43 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 27 On March 27 the following articles were published: 1988: "Joni Mitchell Brushes up her Style" - Detroit Free Press (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=970 1998: "Morning Becomes Eclectic" - KCRW-FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=748 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #134 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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