From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #133 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 26 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 133 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [Lori Fye ] Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc [Catherine McKay ] country njc [colin ] lori speaks funny njc [colin ] Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) [Lori Fye ] re: conservation and evolution (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Re: Pacifica Radio (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Re: lori speaks funny njc ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The Duhks (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: country njc [Ken ] Re: Pacifica Radio (NJC) ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [Lori Fye ] Re: Cheney NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: What is reality? NJC PC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) [colin ] recycling njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] The Duhks (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: lori speaks funny njc [colin ] Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc and lily tomlin ["Kate Bennett"] Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) [colin ] recycling, now Ashara njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [colin ] recycling njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Re:webster's and nucular njc ["hell" ] Re: What is reality? NJC PC [colin ] Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc and lily tomlin ["hell" ] Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc -- desultory [Smurfycopy@aol.co] RE: observer article on the four 9/11 widows - njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: What is reality? NJC PC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Cheney NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Loreena McKennitt NJC ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:35:08 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc > oh! A bit like me saying Lori is said like Lorry and you say it's like > Lawri!!! > you just speak funny..... I do speak funny. But my name is pronounced like "lorry." Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:23:25 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: conservation and evolution (NJC) --- Lori Fye wrote: The Religious Wrong will stop at nothing > to get the theory of > creationism back into public schools, and the theory > of evolution out. I don't see how evolution is necessarily at odds with believing in a god of some kind. Do these people take everything in the bible as pure fact and not as some form of allegory or myth? How sad - the bible is full of contradictions. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:33:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Loreena McKennitt NJC --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > sp@olympus.net writes: > > << Tell me if you've heard this before...born on the > Canadian > prairies...highly articulate and brilliantly > observant...a singer... and > songwriter...innovative and sophisticated...produces > her own albums and > maintains artistic control...hmmm.... :-) >> > > Is it Catherine? > > --Lou Don't I wish? Sorry, not born on the prairies! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:30:34 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Wally writes: > > << i've just learned that it's pronounced > DES-sultory and not > de-SUL-tory as i've always pronounced it. >> > > Now try to remember that . . . that's the problem. > To me, our > mispronunciation *sounds* better than the correct > pronunciation. I agree. I had no idea it WASN'T pronounced that way. It's one of those words you always see in writing, but no one (except for freaks) uses it in a conversation. The English language is completely stupid. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:36:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) --- David Sadowski wrote: > Why couldn't there always have been something? > If eternity is forever, it's forever going backwards and forwards. So if we believe it will never end, then we have to agree that it never began. That's a pretty difficult concept to grasp, so maybe believing in a beginning of the universe and an end of the world is all some people can grasp. Fundamentalists seem to like their rules, and being told what to do (and telling others what to do as well), so trying to grasp the concept of eternity is no doubt overwhelming and causes one to think too much. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:43:23 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc No offense taken, Ron...they are an acquired taste to be sure. I just sent a complete set to Australia last week, so just let me know when you're ready and I'll crank it up! :~) I'm glad you enjoy my reviews...I have fun writing them. As for making them accessible via the covers page, I dunno about that. I don't always say the most complimentary things so it's probably best left in the archives. Since you mentioned it though, I'll mention that just yesterday Terry Gonda released her CD called "Love, Lose, Repeat" and it's available at CDBaby. Those of us who have heard it were blown away by her outstanding version of "Both Sides Now", which she made her own...NO SMALL FEAT. Anyway, you can sample BSN as well as her own songs at: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/terrygonda Bob NP: The Police, "Fallout" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:46:25 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) David Sadowski wrote: > Why couldn't there always have been something? > isn't that the point? The idea that there was always something is what is impossible to get around. That idea is as incomprehensible as the God idea. 'nothing comes from nothing, nothing ever could' to quote Maria! but maybe she was wrong. we don't know. It seems to me there is a giant piece(or maybe a tiny piece) of the jigsaw missing and nither science or religion can find that piece..... so in the meantime we must live with not knwoing which I think is more honest than coming up with an idea and beleiving it as Truth. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:52:05 +0000 From: colin Subject: country njc we ate lunch out today and the restaurant was playing country all the time. I have to say I found it rather amusing and realised why some people take the piss out of it. It was pretty dire. And some people have the cheek to say Joni is a miserable git. Have they ever listened to country? Just how much grief and bad luck can one person live thru? And just how many songs does it take to come to terms with it? Makes me want to suggest they garrotte themselves with the strings of their damn guitars (or should that be git --arrs? ). ( John thinks it was jim reeves singing) - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:53:02 +0000 From: colin Subject: lori speaks funny njc You know I can't recall how you sounded on the phone. i hope it was a southern drawl.Like that. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:56:22 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Lori asked: > > > I must be approaching Nirvana as I came back as a (moderate) Republican this > > time. > > Were you always a moderate Republican, Buck? I guess we never discussed this > during our days in Fortuna. (I was registered as "independent" then.) You don't remember the issues of "Mother Jones" laying around the house? I was at the very end of my Raging Liberal Democratic era when we were in Fortuna. Ironically, it was Mother Jones that turned me. All those strident and shrill articles made me question my politics... Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:32:49 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Lori wrote: <> Good question. Lori, have you ever read Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason?" I highly recommend it. Colin wrote: <> That is true. Although I disagree that all scientists are out to prove there is no God. And another thing I don't understand is why some consider creation and evolution as either/or questions. Recently, I had to read Darwin for school and write an essay on evolution and Christianity. I was not required to write about which one I believed in, but rather, on can Christianity be compatable with Evolution as Darwin himself believed. Well, why not? I have my own issues with religion, BUT If Christianity is based on faith, why can't one also use faith to make a connection between evolution and Christianity. Faith is faith period. Evolution does not rule out any sort of creator. A Christian can interpret the Bible anyway he or she sees fit and still use faith to make a connection. Well, I don't think my teacher (who is also a right-leaning pastor) agreed with my premise. I only got an "A minus" on my paper, which was flawless by the way because I knew it would be intensely scrutinized. Yeah, I know, A minus big deal. But compare that to straight A's on my other graded papers where I purposely inserted many grammatical errors just to see if my teacher has a bias when he grades! Also, when I countered the argument that many believe Darwin was on a mission to advance an atheistic agenda, I mentioned that Darwin was religious (although had to change many of his views later) and was on his way to becoming a minister of the Church of England before the opportunity to sail on the beagle presented itself. Well, my teacher underlined the word religious and said something about Darwin being liberal in his religious views, and that the Church of England was permeated with liberalism. So....liberalism equals non-religious? Since when? Colin, you are right about what you said earlier about what does it matter? why even debate it. I once had this discussion with a friend and when it became heated, I even said, "what does it matter." He rebutted with "then you are calling Christ a liar!" Hmmm....I wasn't aware that Christ WROTE of such matters himself. Mia - who has no answers, only a deep respect for the mystery _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:01:52 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: TLOG poll O.K. Bob, if you're gonna twist my arm... Here are my picks: 1) The Dawntreader 2) Be Cool 3) Otis and Marlena 4) The Sire of Sorrow ( Job's Sad Song) 5) Refuge of The Road 6) Amelia 7) God Must Be a Boogie Man 8) Borderline 9) The Last Time I Saw Richard 10) Cherokee Louise 11) Trouble Child I will add that it has been quite some time since I have listened to TLOG; I only listened to it a handful of times when I got it. I did have two strong impressions from those listenings, I thought " The Dawntreader" was absolutley stunning, and like Deb I found " For the Roses" an utter disappointment...the original has always been one of my favs !!! Jonily Yours, Warren Keith P.S. I look forward to the statistics from the poll. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:02:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Excerpt NJC Here is a link to an excerpt from Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies' if anyone is interested in reading it: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/28/books/chapters/0328-1st-clarke.html?ex =1081319706&ei=1&en=bd4980b6bfc9434c "Those of us who had stayed in the White House that day now knew why the United flight had crashed in Pennsylvania, that heroic passengers had fought and died, and probably saved our lives in the process...We were told that parts of my FBI friend, John O'Neill, had been found in the rubble in New York and that there would be a memorial service in his hometown of Atlantic City...As the Mass ended and John's coffin rolled by, the bagpipes played, and, finally, I wept from my gut. There was so much to grieve about. How did this all happen? Why couldn't we stop it? How do we prevent it from happening again and rid the world of the horror? Someday I would find the time to think through it all and answer those questions. Now is that time." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:12:17 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) > You don't remember the issues of "Mother Jones" laying around the house? You're asking me to navigate through quite a few smoky memories, but ... I do now! I was subscribing to MJ at the time, too -- I believe my friend Trish Watley (who is still a raging liberal, although she's learned to keep quiet about it in public in Boise, Idaho) turned me on to that mag in tech school. > I was at the very end of my Raging Liberal Democratic era when we were in > Fortuna. Ironically, it was Mother Jones that turned me. All those > strident and shrill articles made me question my politics... Be sure to NEVER tune into Pacifica Radio then!! (It's even a little too far left for me some days, if you can imagine that.) http://www.pacifica.org/ For those who aren't familiar with Mother Jones, it's still around: http://www.motherjones.com/ Lori, who tunes into http://cafe.utne.com these days ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:17:53 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: lori speaks funny njc > You know I can't recall how you sounded on the phone. i hope it was a > southern drawl.Like that. No dear, that's Cindy Vickery you're thinking of, she of the honey-dripping Alabama accent. As I recall, Colin, you were mildly disappointed when you called me. You told me you thought I would sound "more butch." ; D - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:28:01 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Catherine wrote: > Do these people take everything in the bible as pure fact and not as some > form of allegory or myth? Some of them do, yes. I know more than a few Catholics who absolutely believe that Mary physically ascended to Heaven. And then there's that Rapture thing ... - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:28:59 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Pacifica Radio (NJC) Lori sez: > > Be sure to NEVER tune into Pacifica Radio then!! (It's even a little too far > left for me some days, if you can imagine that.) http://www.pacifica.org/ > I dunno 'bout NOW, but the Pacifica outlet in Houston was wonderful in 2000! I was MOST impressed...real live DJs playing stuff I'd never heard before, with large doses of local Houston and Texas-wide talent plus an ALL-DAY Blues format (acoustic and electric) on Sunday from 0600 - 1800. There was no over-researched and/or focus-grouped-to-death play list that I could discern. When the political crap started I was out the door and in the bars... ;-) bp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:34:28 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Pacifica Radio (NJC) > I dunno 'bout NOW, but the Pacifica outlet in Houston was wonderful in 2000! > I was MOST impressed...real live DJs playing stuff I'd never heard before, > with large doses of local Houston and Texas-wide talent plus an ALL-DAY > Blues format (acoustic and electric) on Sunday from 0600 - 1800. There was > no over-researched and/or focus-grouped-to-death play list that I could > discern. When the political crap started I was out the door and in the > bars... ;-) I will say this for our local Pacifica station (http://www.wpfw.org/): they play the most exquisite jazz in the late afternoons/early evenings. I'm not talking about the faux jazz crap played on the "smooth jazz" stations, but REAL jazz. - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:50:33 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: lori speaks funny njc colin said: > You know I can't recall how you sounded on the phone. i hope it was a southern drawl.Like that. then lori said: No dear, that's Cindy Vickery you're thinking of, she of the honey-dripping Alabama accent. and now me: LORI! you know i don't have an accent!! it's Y'ALL that have accents! love - cindy, with magnolias in her strawberry-blonde hair ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:51:21 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) I can also heartily agree with this...my Dad's a scientist (a meteorologist with a couple of degrees) and he's always claimed that as a scientist the more you learn about the scientific nature of things, the more you can be assured that things just didn't magically fall into place at random. He's never had any problem (nor have I) believing in a scientific creation of the world by a greater power. This of course would fall under the category "beliefs" as opposed to the "facts" bin. Bob NP: The Police, "Bring On The Night" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:08:10 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The Duhks (NJC) The had a buzz going & were on my list to see at Folk Alliance but I never got there... Steve Dulson, did you say you saw them? Ashara>I just heard a cut off this group from Winnipeg, Manitoba's CD. Damn good stuff, really great! Anyone ever heard of them?< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:13:56 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: country njc Yes but at least they don't have to work for a crooked and corrupt recording industry... oh wait... colin wrote: >we ate lunch out today and the restaurant was playing country all the >time. I have to say I found it rather amusing and realised why some >people take the piss out of it. It was pretty dire. And some people have >the cheek to say Joni is a miserable git. Have they ever listened to >country? Just how much grief and bad luck can one person live thru? And >just how many songs does it take to come to terms with it? Makes me want >to suggest they garrotte themselves with the strings of their damn >guitars (or should that be git --arrs? ). >( John thinks it was jim reeves singing) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:28:47 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Pacifica Radio (NJC) Norman, the Pacifica station - KPFT - is still a great station in Houston IMHO. It's #1 on my radio dial and still has the all day blues on Sunday. It's the only station in the city that plays anything other than mainstream rap-crap. db >>> "Norman Pennington" 3/26/2004 2:28:59 PM >>> Lori sez: > > Be sure to NEVER tune into Pacifica Radio then!! (It's even a little too far > left for me some days, if you can imagine that.) http://www.pacifica.org/ > I dunno 'bout NOW, but the Pacifica outlet in Houston was wonderful in 2000! I was MOST impressed...real live DJs playing stuff I'd never heard before, with large doses of local Houston and Texas-wide talent plus an ALL-DAY Blues format (acoustic and electric) on Sunday from 0600 - 1800. There was no over-researched and/or focus-grouped-to-death play list that I could discern. When the political crap started I was out the door and in the bars... ;-) bp This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:51:29 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc Here's one for you: the word "forte" should actually be pronounced like "fort" and not like "fort-A." From www.dictionary.com: Usage Note: The word forte, coming from French fort, should properly be pronounced with one syllable, like the English word fort. Common usage, however, prefers the two-syllable pronunciation, (ftrt), which has been influenced possibly by the music term forte borrowed from Italian. In a recent survey a strong majority of the Usage Panel, 74 percent, preferred the two-syllable pronunciation. The result is a delicate situation; speakers who are aware of the origin of the word may wish to continue to pronounce it as one syllable but at an increasing risk of puzzling their listeners. - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:56:44 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: ... and lily tomlin (NJC) Smurf wrote: > Lily Tomlin has a (long lost, for me) comedy album which has a routine about > her reading aloud in grammar school class and pronouncing the word "island" > as it's spelled. From then on all the mean little kids in class taunted her > at recess with "IS-land, IS-land." I used to have that album!! "And That's the Truth" is its name. Actually it was on cassette, and it was one of the first tapes I bought at age 13. I nearly wore it out. I just cruised over to Lily's website, and she's offering her recordings on CD now. http://www.lilytomlin.com/cds.html Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:16:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Cheney NJC >Cheney hasn't done anything really wrong - it just looks wrong -< I guess if it looks or smells like a fish it isn't always a fish? Hmmm... Perhaps this is the fine line between what is legal & what is ethical? The two are often exclusive >the deferred compensation...is going to the charities. How many people do that when they don't have to?< Most (smart) wealthy people do this... I worked in this field for many years... In addition to the altruistic benefits, charitable giving is actually a wise investment strategy... Donations to nonprofits reduce taxable income & allow the individual to channel their money to organizations rather than to the federal government... Most successful nonprofits (charities) have a full time person who specializes in this work... Lawyers specialize in this as well... Charitable giving provides many financial benefits to the donor as well as to the charity... One of the benefits is to protect inherited assets from being eaten up by taxes... When I was in the field, Jackie Kennedy Onassis was often cited as a brilliant example of how to do this... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:28:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC >How can USA hold it's head up and have this place?< Reminds me of the wise saying when you point a finger, there are 3 pointing back at you... Try it... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:38:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) mia ortlieb wrote: > > > Good question. Lori, have you ever read Thomas Paine's "Age of > Reason?" I highly recommend it. > > Colin wrote: < cannot answer what we want to know!>> > > That is true. Although I disagree that all scientists are out to > prove there is no God. oh I don't think that either. Many scientists are also religionists. Many are not religionists but do have a spiritual outlook. > And another thing I don't understand is why some consider creation > and evolution as either/or questions. neither do i. > > > Recently, I had to read Darwin for school and write an essay on > evolution and Christianity. I was not required to write about which > one I believed in, but rather, on can Christianity be compatable with > Evolution as Darwin himself believed. Well, why not? I have my own > issues with religion, BUT If Christianity is based on faith, why can't > one also use faith to make a connection between evolution and > Christianity. Faith is faith period. Evolution does not rule out any > sort of creator. A Christian can interpret the Bible anyway he or she > sees fit and still use faith to make a connection. Well, I don't > think my teacher (who is also a right-leaning pastor) agreed with my > premise. mmm.it seems you were flogging a dea horse there. no way he would agree with you. > > Also, when I countered the argument that many believe Darwin was on a > mission to advance an atheistic agenda, I mentioned that Darwin was > religious (although had to change many of his views later) and was on > his way to becoming a minister of the Church of England before the > opportunity to sail on the beagle presented itself. Well, my teacher > underlined the word religious and said something about Darwin being > liberal in his religious views, and that the Church of England was > permeated with liberalism. > > So....liberalism equals non-religious? Since when? To the fundies, any form of xtianity that is not theres, is wrong. full stop. > > > > > Mia - who has no answers, only a deep respect for the mystery > IF we do survive death, I ceratinly hope we found out about it. one reason to look forward to it. Even after many many times doing so, I still look up at the night sky in awe...thes atrs the vastness of it all. I want to KNOW and will be royally pissed off if when dead, and assuming still 'sonscious', I don't ge tto find out! - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:40:10 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: recycling njc >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:10:49 -0800 (PST) >From: Deb >Subject: Re: recycling, NJC >Yes, I agree and it amazes me. We live in the garden of Eden now. This >world >is beautiful. If only mankind could stop befor it is all gone. >Debi thinking about Big Yellow Taxi.... Yeah, with the exception of natural disasters/ occurences, we could all live in a near paradise. . . conservation, reverence. . .(again sort of the American Indian way, superior in my eyes.) I can see that vision. and "paving over brave little parks" always touches my heart Some how, Big Yellow Taxi and Chinese Cafe relate together. I kind of put them together. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:41:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The Duhks (NJC) Conference cost ...$350 Hotel room ...$400 Gasoline ...$100 FA experience ...priceless! >Caught them at Folk Alliance last month. Pretty good! A bunch of young Canadian kids playing old-time American music - sorta like the Be Good Tanyas. They were playing a showcase in a room where the next act was the Lee Boys, a black "sacred steel" group. When the Duhks did an old gospel number, the various Lees started chiming in with "Amens!" and "Yes!" es. The Duhks looked a little bewildered at first - I'll bet they'd never played that song to an audience for whom it was something beyond just a song.< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:41:31 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: lori speaks funny njc Lori Fye wrote: >>You know I can't recall how you sounded on the phone. i hope it was a >>southern drawl.Like that. >> >> > >No dear, that's Cindy Vickery you're thinking of, she of the honey-dripping >Alabama accent. > >As I recall, Colin, you were mildly disappointed when you called me. You told >me you thought I would sound "more butch." > >; D > > > oh god, yes, I do recall that. Well it wa sall your talk of having been in the army(or air force or something). Stereotypes, you know? Speaking of which, one fo the girl puppies is a big, robust gal-like a russian shotputter. so we have named her Olga....the other two are Nokia, Dharma and the boy Gompa. I think i''ll run these 4 on. the other two are sold so not named. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:45:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc and lily tomlin 1st grade, me looking at the list of names of students who were posted on the classroom, me saying (too outloudly), what kind of name is step hen? I think I may be repeating my stories... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:47:02 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Catherine McKay wrote: > --- David Sadowski wrote: > >Why couldn't there always have been something? > > > >If eternity is forever, it's forever going backwards >and forwards. So if we believe it will never end, then >we have to agree that it never began. That's a pretty >difficult concept to grasp, > it is. our brains cannot even make a 'model' of eternity. I think many, if not most, of us just have a hard time dealing with uncertainty. We like to feel safe and secure so we latch on to stuff that makes us feel that way: 'if i am good, nothing bad can happen' 'we live in a just world'. 'ican bear this pain becasue i will be rewarded eventually', 'every word of this is true and literal so now I know and feel certain and safe.'. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:48:11 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: recycling, now Ashara njc >Ashara, >You are the recycling queen. I knew there was something about you that I >really >liked! >;o) >Hugs, >Debi *See*, I told you she was a queen!. . Just kidding here Ashara, . . .well. .. no not really. . . : -) stating this affectionately. . . (you know, it's hard to come across in email) LOve Marianne _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:50:42 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc Lori Fye wrote: >Here's one for you: the word "forte" should actually be pronounced like "fort" >and not like "fort-A." > >>From www.dictionary.com: > >Usage Note: The word forte, coming from French fort, should properly be >pronounced with one syllable, like the English word fort. Common usage, >however, prefers the two-syllable pronunciation, (ftrt), which has been >influenced possibly by the music term forte borrowed from Italian. In a recent >survey a strong majority of the Usage Panel, 74 percent, preferred the >two-syllable pronunciation. The result is a delicate situation; speakers who >are aware of the origin of the word may wish to continue to pronounce it as one >syllable but at an increasing risk of puzzling their listeners. > > > > here people say fort-ay . maybe becasue of a well known hotel chain called Trusthouse Forte which is pronounced that wya. I think the French word, forte, means strong or something like because it is written on the jars of Dijon i bought there! - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:51:00 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: recycling njc "It was just a dream some of had." >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: Deb Subject: Re: recycling, NJC Yes, I agree and it amazes me. We live in the garden of Eden now. This world is beautiful. If only mankind could stop befor it is all gone. Debi thinking about Big Yellow Taxi....< _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:52:49 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Re:webster's and nucular njc Azeem wrote: > It may be intellectual snobbery on my part, but I have an instinctive > scepticism of people - more specifically when they happen to be as powerful as Dubya > - when they simply can't pronounce the word "nuclear" - it's as simple as > that. It reminds me of a child saying "skellington" or "sumbarine". And of > course Mr Bush is a serial offender against the English language. Sorry, but put > together with everything else I see, hear and read about him, that worries me! Which reminds me of words my brothers and sister used to mispronounce when they were young - caravan became "carrot-ban" and hospital was "hostipal". I had perfect pronounciation, of course ;o) Australian listers may also be aware of a very funny (IMO) comedy series called "Kath and Kim". It's filmed like a fly-on-the-wall documentary look at a mother (Kath) and daughter (Kim). They have a wonderful way of mis-pronouncing words, or using words in the wrong context - mixing metaphors is another (best example - Kath: "Kim, you're clutching at spanners!"). But I think my most favourite is where Kim is complaining that her new husband (Brett) doesn't keep her in the lifestyle she'd like: Kim: I want to be effluent, Mum, EFFLUENT! Kath: You ARE effluent, Kim..... Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:52:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC Kate Bennett wrote: >>How can USA hold it's head up and have this place?< >> >> > >Reminds me of the wise saying when you point a finger, there are 3 >pointing back at you... >Try it... > >Kate >www.katebennett.com >"bringing the melancholy world of >twilight to life almost like magic" >The All Music Guide > > > that's an unusual answer from you. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:54:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Tying two threads together, perhaps the something before the big bang was too many people eating black eyed peas on new years day... Hehehe, bevisitis is communicable.. > Currently, scientists believe that just before the Big Bang, the > universe was rapidly contracting. So, there was something and not > nothing before the Big Bang. Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:56:28 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc Laurent wrote: > Your post was interesting enough that I copied the link and was going to > listen to it last night but crashed before I got to it. > Truth is I'm also discouraged because most of the times I bother mentioning > new artists it's like pissing in the wind. Don't take it to heart, Ken (and Laurent). I posted a link to a new artist a while back (Brooke Fraser) and no one responded. But I assume that a couple of people may have had a look, anyway! I'm like a lot of others with links people provide - I almost always check them out, but hardly ever bother posting to say that I did. And I've found out about a lot of great artists through this list - Jonatha Brooke, for example. Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:58:53 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc and lily tomlin Bob wrote: > Lily Tomlin has a (long lost, for me) comedy album which has a routine about > her reading aloud in grammar school class and pronouncing the word "island" as > it's spelled. From then on all the mean little kids in class taunted her at > recess with "IS-land, IS-land." The first volume of Janet Frame's autobiography is called "To The Is-land", pronounced as you've described above, since she and her sisters and brother always assumed as children, that IS-land was correct. Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:13:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: words we usually mispronounce njc man, first desultory, now forte. is there any word in english that i know how to pronounce?????? wally, loving all things phonetic > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Lori > Fye > Enviado el: Viernes, 26 de Marzo de 2004 06:51 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc > > > Here's one for you: the word "forte" should actually be > pronounced like "fort" > and not like "fort-A." > > From www.dictionary.com: > > Usage Note: The word forte, coming from French fort, should properly be > pronounced with one syllable, like the English word fort. Common usage, > however, prefers the two-syllable pronunciation, (ftrt), which has been > influenced possibly by the music term forte borrowed from > Italian. In a recent > survey a strong majority of the Usage Panel, 74 percent, preferred the > two-syllable pronunciation. The result is a delicate situation; > speakers who > are aware of the origin of the word may wish to continue to > pronounce it as one > syllable but at an increasing risk of puzzling their listeners. > > > -- > Lori > > Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - > George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:17:18 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc Hell wrote > > I'm like a lot of others with links people provide - I almost always check > them out, but hardly ever bother posting to say that I did. We humans like a pad on the head sometimes too. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:33:50 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc -- desultory About the word "desultory," Catherine writes: << It's one of those words you always see in writing, but no one (except for freaks) uses it in a conversation. >> LOL, Catherine! And although I may be a freak, I have never used this word in conversation or heard it used. (Most of the rough crowd I hang with would tell me to stick it if I ever unloaded this word into a conversation.) I was first introduced to it on a Simon & Garfunkle ablbum back in the 60s, so I have been aware of it for about 40 years and, like you, I have seen it in writing. (The lyrics are below, but S & G never actually use the word in the song.) - --Myron - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Simple Desultory Philippic (Or How I Was Robert McNamara'd Into Submission) (2:12) P. Simon, 1965 I been Norman Mailered, Maxwell Taylored I been John O'Hara'd, McNamara'd I been Rolling Stoned and Beatled till I'm blind I been Ayn Randed, nearly branded Communist, 'cause I'm left-handed That's the hand I use, well, never mind I been Phil Spectored, resurrected I been Lou Adlered, Barry Sadlered Well, I paid all the dues I want to pay And I learned the truth from Lenny Bruce And all of my wealth won't buy me health So I smoke a pint of tea a day I knew a man, his brain so small He couldn't think of nothing at all He's not the same as you and me He doesn't dig poetry. He's so unhip that When you say Dylan, he thinks you're talking about Dylan Thomas Whoever he was The man ain't got no culture But it's alright, ma Everybody must get stoned I been Mick Jaggered, silver daggered Andy Warhol, won't you please come home? I been mothered, fathered, aunt and uncled Been Roy Haleed and Art Garfunkeled I just discovered somebody's tapped my phone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:38:26 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: observer article on the four 9/11 widows - njc Thanks for the link patrick... Here is one related to yours: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/25/opinion/25DOWD.html Excerpt: "As the White House was sliming Richard Clarke, the 9/11 families were stroking him. Several relatives of victims surrounded the ex-counterterrorism chief after his testimony yesterday and reached out to pat him. After being condescended to, stonewalled, led on and put off by the White House, they were glad to hear somebody say: "Those entrusted with protecting you failed you. And I failed you." "Mr. Clarke is the first person who has apologized to the families and held himself accountable," said the lovely Kristen Breitweiser of New Jersey, whose husband died in the south tower. "I am enormously grateful for that." She and other widows left the hearing room to protest Condoleezza Rice's lame no-show." >patrick. please, please read this. http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage2.asp< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:41:13 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Catherine writes: << so trying to grasp the concept of eternity is no doubt overwhelming and causes one to think too much. >> But then, as the song "Rock and Roll Heaven" teaches us: "If you believe in forever, then life is just a one-night stand." Deep. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:55:39 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC Someone wrote: << >How can USA hold it's head up and have this place?< And Kate replied: << Reminds me of the wise saying when you point a finger, there are 3 pointing back at you... Try it... >> I am always amazed when people seem to think that 280 million Americans are all in agreement about anything. The people on this list can't even agree on anything! - --Smurf, holding up his big blue head in spite of all that's wrong with the US ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:57:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC >own foreign policy that consistantly props up dictators when it suits our designs for US dominance or big business interests. RR< "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini (known as The Father of Fascism) "Markets make a great servant but a bad master and a worse religion... And a society that tries to substitute markets for politics, ethics, or faith is seriously adrift." Amory Lovins (http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid166.php for bio) "The world's most dangerous political hot spots and breeding grounds for terrorism are exactly the same places with the worst environmental devastation and poverty." Kenny Ausubel (http://www.utne.com/magazine/bios/ausubel_kenny.html for bio) "There's a new superpower: Global popular movements...There are brilliant scientific and social innovators among us who've been patiently incubating the seeds of successful local, regional, and even societal plans for the transformation to a sustainable civilization. An alternative globalization movement of unprecedented proportions is taking shape...This new world is being born right now before our eyes." Kenny Ausubel (see above) Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:59:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: What is reality? NJC PC Smurf >I am always amazed when people seem to think that 280 million Americans are all in agreement about anything. The people on this list can't even agree on anything! < LOL... T'log comes to mind! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:01:29 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Cheney NJC About protecting wealth through charitable donations, Kate writes: << When I was in the field, Jackie Kennedy Onassis was often cited as a brilliant example of how to do this... >> Allegedly it was her "consort," Maurice Templesman, who deserves all the credit for Jackie's financial coups, except for the marrying Ari Onassis bit! Which reminds me of Joan Rivers' line about Jackie and Maurice: "Jackie Kennedy is so amazing she can even make dating a married man look classy!" - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:11:15 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: Loreena McKennitt NJC Momentarily de-lurking to add my voice in appreciating the alchemy and magical artistry of Loreena McKennitt. I first heard her via "The Visit" and was intrigued by the idea of a performer singing the songs of Shakespeare and High Renaissance personages. She produces sounds and imageries through music that are as literate as they are intoxicatingly original and novel. I thought her voice is Enya-esque although her harp-playing gave her the edge for me. I purchased her "The Mask and Mirror" album and was particularly struck by the song "The Bonny Swans" and how the cruel story of magic and transformation became a musical vehicle that demanded an introspection from the listeners. The album, just like "The Visit" and her earlier "Elemental" were very well-conceived and centered around a particular theme. Then I got her "The Book of Secrets" where teh Celtic folklore and mythologies were woven into the music. Her voice at times echoes (pardon the sacrilege for some) fellow Canadian Celine Dion in terms of handling the quick tremolos. When I came here in the US last fall, one of the first things I did was get her Live album via eBay. I was even more impressed to hear her sound exactly how she sounded in her studio albums. Further proof that there was no trickery in terms of vocal modification, etc. I wonder what her album is like next. Her wild-maned hair reminded me of the solo album cover of Christine McVie's. Joseph in Chapel Hill > >>Quoting Scott Price : > > > At 04:36 AM 3/26/2004 -0500, Ken wrote: > > >Catherine McKay wrote: > > >>>You mention Loreena McKennitt. She came out years ago with "The > > Mummers > > >>>Dance" if I remember. Ran the music business out of her home > > > > "The Mummers Dance" is from the 1997 album "The Book of Secrets." > > Loreena's > > first album, "Elemental," dates from 1985. In the early stages of her > > > > career she did indeed "run" the business out of her home, filling > > mail > > orders that trickled in as she busked her way across Canada. > > > > Tell me if you've heard this before...born on the Canadian > > prairies...highly articulate and brilliantly observant...a singer... > > and > > songwriter...innovative and sophisticated...produces her own albums > > and > > maintains artistic control...hmmm.... :-) > > > > > > > > >> From http://www.quinlanroad.com, Loreena McKennitt's (very nicely > > > > >> designed) website she must have a Les Irvin) > > > > She has about a dozen people working there and also maintains an > > office in > > the UK. They are affectionately known as "Quinlan Minions." > > > > > > > > >>"Loreena is the founder of The Cook-Rees Memorial Fund > > >>For Water Search And Safety, a charitable fund > > >>established in memory of her partner Ronald Rees, his > > >>brother Richard and their friend Greg Cook. > > > > Her fiancee's name was Donald Rees. Following this tragic accident > > Loreena > > has taken a long sabbatical and has only performed in public a > > handful of > > times since 1998. However, she is working on a new album and has kept > > busy > > with other projects, most notably funding several social and art > > programs > > in and around Ontario. > > > > Scott > > > > > >Joseph S.E. Palis >Department of Geography >University of North Carolina >Saunders Hall, CB 3220 >Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 > >palis@email.unc.edu >joepalis@yahoo.com - ----- End forwarded message ----- Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #133 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)