From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #132 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 26 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 132 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Fact NJC PC ["Kakki" ] Re: God njc [colin ] Re: What is reality? NJC PC [colin ] Re: What is reality? NJC PC [colin ] RE: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Arkinsaw, NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Recycling (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Sarah Harmer njc [Ken ] words we usually mispronounce njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Sarah Harmer, njc [Ken ] Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] old!! njc [colin ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [colin ] Re: Fact NJC PC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: What is reality? NJC PC [vince ] Re: Sarah Harmer, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Fact NJC PC [Catherine McKay ] Fw: Recycling (NJC) (for aol, non-mac users) [Emiliano ] Sarah Harmer [AsharaJM@aol.com] Sarah Harmer [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: webster's and nucular njc [Lori Fye ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [Lori Fye ] Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) [colin ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [Lori Fye ] Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) [David Sadowski ] Re: Loreena McKennitt NJC [Scott Price ] Re: Loreena McKennitt NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Re: Fact NJC PC [] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [colin ] Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) [colin ] Re: words we usually mispronounce njc [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fact NJC PC Mary wrote: > Well, I don't think I ever implied that it should. I said, or certainly > meant, that truth is informed by facts, but what we regard as "factual" is > very much colored by what we already believe. I think this is nowhere more > true than in political discourse. I think political discourse does tend to spin facts for its own advantage, but a fact by itself is objective and does not spin. Fact: Joni Mitchell has become very wealthy from her songwriting abilities. Spin: Joni Mitchell made most of her money from the dirty and corrupt music business. > Myself, I'm skeptical of claims that "all blame" is on *anyone*--but also , I > admit, of people who claim that other people think that, without knowing > exactly what those other people may have said. Overgeneralizations of any > kind don't help dialogue along, in my experience. I agree. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:28:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: God njc Kate Bennett wrote: >Huh? > my thought exactly! > >Robin>None of it is a "great idea" - why waste time on false centres of >consciousness......"Fiction of the image and the image-maker.."< > > >Kate >www.katebennett.com >"bringing the melancholy world of >twilight to life almost like magic" >The All Music Guide > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:37:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC Kakki wrote: > > I wonder about people who always claim that truth is whatever they decide it >is in the constructs of their minds. Sure, there are individual and >subjective interpretations but how would they like it if they were falsely >accused of a crime and on trial and their defense lawyers presented all the >"facts" that would serve to prove they were innocent. Then the jury comes >back convicting them anyway because "it's not about facts, there is no >absolute truth, and truth is whatever I believe it to be in the constructs of >my mind." Geez. > If people did this, then it would show a complete lack of understanding of the principle. The meaning creation we do, and it's total subjectivity, is in regard to Aboslute Truth, NOT simple facts like 2plus2 =4. For someone to use this knowledge to excuse themselves for ignoring facts in a court case, as you suggest, would make them arrogant and ignorant in the extreme. As for there being no Absolute Truth- of couse there is! we just can't access it. This should not be confused with truths on untruths regarding criminal acts or such like. > > Kakki > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:40:09 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC Is it not intersting that the USA sold Iraq chemical weapons in 83? That they funded Osama Bin Laden during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan? Is it not even more interestign that USA/UK condemn China and others for humna rights violations yet Guantanomo Bay is ignored? How can USA hold it's head up and have this place? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:07:33 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC kakki> I tend to think that you probably read the ideas put forth by the theorists and tend to agree with them. < ok, this illustrates a point i was trying to make earlier, rather than debating the point or opinion i expressed , it appears to me that you have made an assumption of how i have formed my opinion (sometimes people call this mind reading) ... the confusing thing to me is that i don't know who the theorists are you are referring to... however i can tell you that i form my opinions based on a wide variety of sources, reading, tv, talking & listening to people, my own life experiences etc... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 04:36:19 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer njc now Loreena McKennitt You know I think your right. HEY LES. YOU BUSY? HAVE I GOT A JOB FOR YOU! :-) That's a very interesting story concerning Loreena McKennitt and one I'm going to have to ask some questions about. My wifes best friend's name is Rees and she is always visiting her family in Peterborough Ont. Ken Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Ken wrote: > >>I have to agree with you concerning [Sarah >> >Harmer's] web site. I > > >Probably because Sarah doesn't have a Les Irvin (yet). > >>You mention Loreena McKennitt. She came out years >>ago with "The Mummers >>Dance" if I remember. Ran the music business out >>of her home I think. >>Hadn't heard of this boating accident. >>K >> > >>From http://www.quinlanroad.com, Loreena McKennitt's >(very nicely designed) website (she must have a Les >Irvin): > >"On May 15, 2003, the Ontario Provincial Police >presented a Commissioners Commendation to Loreena >McKennitt, for her continued community service in >promoting water safety. The presentation, held at the >Little Lake Marina in Del Crary Park in Peterborough, >Ontario, was made as part of Canadian Safe Boating >Week. > >"Loreena is the founder of The Cook-Rees Memorial Fund >For Water Search And Safety, a charitable fund >established in memory of her partner Ronald Rees, his >brother Richard and their friend Greg Cook. The three >men died in a sailing accident in Georgian Bay in >1998. The OPP Search & Recovery unit has received >three side scan sonar units and an underwater Remote >Operated Vehicle from the fund since 1998." > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:42:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Arkinsaw, NJC i saw this documentary! i remember one of the boys, a chubby, pretty articulate kid, had dyed his hair black to look more "gothic". it was a very sad film. so the case was never reviewed? wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > LCStanley7@aol.com > Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Marzo de 2004 04:14 p.m. > Para: lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com > CC: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Arkinsaw, NJC > > There is a movie called Paradise Lost: Revelations that is a > documentary on the > case. Here's a website about the case: Free the West Memphis > Three Pearl Jam > sometimes talks about the WM3 during their concerts. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:46:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Recycling (NJC) it does, ashes, it DOES. wally, who had to be explained the house recycling rules EVERY time. and don't forget the cans that had "MA" written on them. those went somewhere else. and RINSE before you throw. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > AsharaJM@aol.com > Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Marzo de 2004 06:05 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Recycling (NJC) > > > > > Hmm...........anyone that was at Jonifest 1998-2001.......does this sound > like anyone *you* know?????? ;-) > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 04:45:05 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer njc Want to thank R and S for their interesting story. It seems to be such a small world sometimes. I sent a longer letter to them off list. K Rick and Susan wrote: >>Hi Ken >>I'm on the Joni-only list so I didn't see your original post but it seems to >>have worked its way over to this side (nor will I see this post when it >>reaches the list.) >> >>I love Sarah Harmer and in fact just purchased tickets to her Vancouver show >>on May 9. Her CD "You Were Here" is my most listened-to CD of any I own, >>including Joni. What I love is the intimate feeling that she's "pouring her >>simple sorrow out to the sound-hole and her knee", singing her songs just for >>herself and, well, if you happen to be listening that's okay too. >> >>My Sarah story is that she wrote "Open Window (the Wedding Song)" from her >>first CD for my niece's wedding. They grew up singing in the church choir >>together and when my niece asked Sarah to sing at her wedding, Sarah asked if >>it was okay if she wrote a song, since she didn't like any of the wedding >>songs she knew. My daughter also used it for the processional at her wedding >>last year, sung by yet another niece. >> >>All the best >>Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:58:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: words we usually mispronounce njc which ones, kahkki (remember when you used to be called like that at jonifest?)? i'm curious to know which words you folks find hard to pronounce or usually mispronounce. for example, it is very hard for me to remember that Travis is TRA-vis and not TRAY-vis. also Colin: CAH-lin and not CO-lin. i never remember how to pronounce "unimaginative" and "libido". wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kakki > Enviado el: Viernes, 26 de Marzo de 2004 03:59 a.m. > Para: AzeemAK@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Re:webster's and nucular njc > > >There are certain ordinary > words I cannot pronounce correctly, either. People call me on > them all the > time and no matter how hard I try to say it correctly it just comes out > wrong every time. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:46:18 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Sarah Harmer, njc Ke wrote: > > I'm a little discouraged lately. I've sent a few posts mentioning Sarah > Harmer. Either no one likes her or know one knows her. > Not a peep from the list. Hi Ken Your post was interesting enough that I copied the link and was going to listen to it last night but crashed before I got to it. Truth is I'm also discouraged because most of the times I bother mentioning new artists it's like pissing in the wind. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 06:52:50 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc I do understand. There are so many posts most days you can't respond to all of them or most days even read all of them. Still I felt left out at the time. Try these links. Try this one for some live stuff http://www.cbcradio3.com/issues/2004_03_19/index.cfm?page=11 or here for the CD verssions http://sarahharmer.com If you like her, she's playing a show in Montreal at the end of April. If I remember correctly you're from Quebec, right? Ken Laurent Olszer wrote: >Ke wrote: > >> I'm a little discouraged lately. I've sent a few posts mentioning Sarah >>Harmer. Either no one likes her or know one knows her. >>Not a peep from the list. >> > >Hi Ken >Your post was interesting enough that I copied the link and was going to >listen to it last night but crashed before I got to it. >Truth is I'm also discouraged because most of the times I bother mentioning >new artists it's like pissing in the wind. > >Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:29:13 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC Kakki wrote to Kate: << I tend to think that you probably read the ideas put forth by the theorists and tend to agree with them. >> I just don't believe this, Kakki! Some of your contributions to this debate are: - - Bush can't speak English properly: Oh, he's doing this on purpose, to make people think he's less smart than he is! - - Cheney getting ever richer through Halliburton: Oh, he's old and rich, therefore he can't be trying to get richer, can he? - - Any argument you can't find a counter to: This makes my head spin [ie it's getting too pedantic and analytical and therfore can be safely dismissed] In addition to this, you drop in little conversational depth-charges like "conspiracy theorists" to undermine people like Kate and others who offer strong arguments against what you believe. I don't question your right to use such methods of argument, but I think for you to denigrate people from the left for not sticking to the facts is a bit bloody rich, frankly. Are there no lengths you won't go to to think the best of the Republicans and the worst of Democrats/lefties? I don't believe there are. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:22:28 +0000 From: colin Subject: old!! njc Just got back from my cardiologist appointment. Finally! It has only taken 14mths to sort this out..... Anyway, drug regime to stay as is. No exercise other than the dog walking. No gym which I miss, no weight training, no lifting heavy stuff(what a shame!), no long flights of stairs(another shame!). Maybe an op in future but not necessary now. I now know when I had the myocardial perfusion test, they lied to me! I guess because they didn't want to upset me. I just wish they realised that some of us are better off knwoing the truth. Anyway,when I had that test, i had pain, brief but very different to the pain from my spine problem. I now know that the pain was my heart. Yet they said at the time'don't worry, your eeg is normal'. Obviously not. Then the letter i got was non committal. Today they werew forthright and told me the truth. If they had told me 6 mths ago, I wouldn't have spent 6 months thinking maybe I haven't got heart disease. Still, it could be worse, I feel okay, am getting used to it, and being fairly successful at being less stressed. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:27:50 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > also Colin: CAH-lin and not CO-lin. i never >remember how to pronounce "unimaginative" and "libido". >wally > > > It is CO-lin. At elast it isn't Colon as that pratt in the uSA seems to prefer..... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:31:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Fact NJC PC >> Fact: Joni Mitchell has become very wealthy from her songwriting abilities. > > Spin: Joni Mitchell made most of her money from the dirty and corrupt music > business. A bit simplistic. Spin can be everywhere. It is a fact that Joni has made money from her songwriting abilities. Whether or not it has made her wealthy, could be seen as spin. Anyone who has more money than I do is wealthy in my eyes, but some who have little may consider me to be wealthy. All depends on the spin. And, some people consider it a fact that the music business is corrupt and dirty! As always, Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:00:25 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC > I wonder about people who always claim that truth is whatever they > decide it is in the constructs of their minds. Sure, there are > individual and subjective interpretations but how would they like > it if they were falsely accused of a crime and on trial and their > defense lawyers presented all the "facts" that would serve to > prove they were innocent. Then the jury comes back convicting > them anyway because "it's not about facts, there is no absolute > truth, and truth is whatever I believe it to be in the constructs > of my mind." Geez. > I wonder about that too. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:19:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Ke wrote: > > > > I'm a little discouraged lately. I've sent a few > posts mentioning Sarah > > Harmer. Either no one likes her or know one knows > her. > > Not a peep from the list. > > Hi Ken > Your post was interesting enough that I copied the > link and was going to > listen to it last night but crashed before I got to > it. > Truth is I'm also discouraged because most of the > times I bother mentioning > new artists it's like pissing in the wind. > Not that I can tell you what to think but, there are quite a few artists I've heard about here on the jmdl that I've checked out and, in many cases, have discovered I like them. Responding to those posts with a, "Hmm, thanks for the tip. Think I'll check it out" seems kind of a waste of bandwidth. So, even if I don't respond to such posts, doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. I'm sure I'm not the only one. So don't lose heart, guys - people are listening. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:20:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fact NJC PC --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > And, some people consider it a fact that the music > business is corrupt and > dirty! > And Joni seems to be one of them. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:20:45 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Recycling (NJC) (for aol, non-mac users) Wally says: > it does, ashes, it DOES. > wally, who had to be explained the house recycling rules EVERY time. and > don't forget the cans that had "MA" written on them. those went somewhere > else. and RINSE before you throw. > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > AsharaJM@aol.com > > Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Marzo de 2004 06:05 p.m. > > Para: joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Recycling (NJC) > > > > > > > > > > Hmm...........anyone that was at Jonifest 1998-2001.......does this sound > > like anyone *you* know?????? ;-) > > > > Hugs, > > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:21:29 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Arkinsaw, NJC (for aol, non-mac users) Wally says: > i saw this documentary! i remember one of the boys, a chubby, pretty > articulate kid, had dyed his hair black to look more "gothic". it was a very > sad film. so the case was never reviewed? > wally > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > LCStanley7@aol.com > > Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Marzo de 2004 04:14 p.m. > > Para: lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com > > CC: joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: Arkinsaw, NJC > > > > There is a movie called Paradise Lost: Revelations that is a > > documentary on the > > case. Here's a website about the case: Free the West Memphis > > Three Pearl Jam > > sometimes talks about the WM3 during their concerts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:22:17 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc (for aol, non-mac users) Wally says: > which ones, kahkki (remember when you used to be called like that at > jonifest?)? > i'm curious to know which words you folks find hard to pronounce or usually > mispronounce. for example, it is very hard for me to remember that Travis is > TRA-vis and not TRAY-vis. also Colin: CAH-lin and not CO-lin. i never > remember how to pronounce "unimaginative" and "libido". > wally > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kakki > > Enviado el: Viernes, 26 de Marzo de 2004 03:59 a.m. > > Para: AzeemAK@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: Re:webster's and nucular njc > > > > > >There are certain ordinary > > words I cannot pronounce correctly, either. People call me on > > them all the > > time and no matter how hard I try to say it correctly it just comes out > > wrong every time. > > > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:03:21 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Republican's njc( was What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC) There is an interesting and longish article in Salon, about the ways in which the Bush administration is alienating moderate Republicans (an endangered species, I'm afraid--I'm old enough to remember liberal Republicans, now pretty much extinct). I don't know if this url works for all, as I actually pay for my subscription, but here it is (anyone can join free for a day as many times as they want): http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/26/moderates/index.html In general, I find a greater tendency on the part of conservatives to say that liberals are being "ideological," while conservatives possess "the truth." One advantage of not believing you have a special access to the truth, Jesus on the mainline, a private audeince with God, or whatever, is that you don't have to pretend you don't have an ideology. Conservative Republicans have a stake in maintaining the dominant ideology of the state, which has great power and influence, because they control it and it serves their interests. So they have every reason to make their ideology appear "natural" to appeal to "common sense," "the absolute truth" and their interpretation of the facts as if they were the facts themselves, because that is how ideology becomes dominant. The US's has shifted far to the right in my lifetime (49 going on 50) years, so as someone with a left-liberal ideology, the trimuph of the right: particularly the religious right and social conservatives--the Tom Delay Republicans--is scary and depressing. I hope that some of these Republicans for Kerry can get to the polls and make a difference, but the powers that be in the party aren't concerned, because there aren't very many moderate Republicans left. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of AzeemAK@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:29 AM To: kate@katebennett.com; kakkib@vzavenue.net; jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC Kakki wrote to Kate: << I tend to think that you probably read the ideas put forth by the theorists and tend to agree with them. >> I just don't believe this, Kakki! Some of your contributions to this debate are: - - Bush can't speak English properly: Oh, he's doing this on purpose, to make people think he's less smart than he is! - - Cheney getting ever richer through Halliburton: Oh, he's old and rich, therefore he can't be trying to get richer, can he? - - Any argument you can't find a counter to: This makes my head spin [ie it's getting too pedantic and analytical and therfore can be safely dismissed] In addition to this, you drop in little conversational depth-charges like "conspiracy theorists" to undermine people like Kate and others who offer strong arguments against what you believe. I don't question your right to use such methods of argument, but I think for you to denigrate people from the left for not sticking to the facts is a bit bloody rich, frankly. Are there no lengths you won't go to to think the best of the Republicans and the worst of Democrats/lefties? I don't believe there are. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:07:08 EST From: TinkersOwn@aol.com Subject: The Duhks (NJC) Ashara asked: >I just heard a cut off this group from Winnipeg, Manitoba's CD. Damn good >stuff, really great! Anyone ever heard of them? Caught them at Folk Alliance last month. Pretty good! A bunch of young Canadian kids playing old-time American music - sorta like the Be Good Tanyas. They were playing a showcase in a room where the next act was the Lee Boys, a black "sacred steel" group. When the Duhks did an old gospel number, the various Lees started chiming in with "Amens!" and "Yes!" es. The Duhks looked a little bewildered at first - I'll bet they'd never played that song to an audience for whom it was something beyond just a song. ################################################ Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@aol.com "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:24:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: I'm a dummy - now Cheney and Halliburton NJC lol. complete with Trump's trademark hand movement - like a cobra going for the kill. oh man, when i read your first email, i thought i was losing it because i read the same sources you did. google-y yours, jenny Kakki wrote: Jenny - I stand corrected and you are right - the stock options go to charity not the deferred compensation. I'm a dummy and can hear Donald Trump saying "You're Fired" as I speak! My apologies. Kakki, needing a long vacation. Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:44:49 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: conservation and evolution (NJC) <scientists!>> What is even scarier is the growing "Intelligent Design" movement that the religious right is trying to pass off as science so they can get their theology into the public school system. I've already been injected with this at the Christian college I currently attend. http://skepdic.com/intelligentdesign.html Mia _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:47:07 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: The King's English...now JC! Argh! That was supposed to be A Strange Boy! I was running all her songs in my head where she sings words oddly, and For Free stuck in my head for some reason. Doh! See what being in love does to you? Steve At 01:28 PM 3/25/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Isn't the line "I went shopping today for jew-ells" ? > >Steve >She also sings 'Jew-ler-y' in He Sang Real Good For Free...< > > >Kate >www.katebennett.com >"bringing the melancholy world of >twilight to life almost like magic" >The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:54:22 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: The King's English <> Steve, don't forget about "Mmmmmmmmm-morning Morgantown" :) Mmmmia (doing the opposite of Vince) _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:30:46 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Sarah Harmer Ken wrote: <> Ken, I love Sarah Harmer, and have pre-ordered her newest CD which should be in any day now! My biggest problem with ciming in here is that I am always several days behind, and figure by the time I chime in, no one really cares anymore, so I usually am quiet because of it. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:30:47 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Sarah Harmer Ken wrote: <> Ken, I love Sarah Harmer, and have pre-ordered her newest CD which should be in any day now! My biggest problem with ciming in here is that I am always several days behind, and figure by the time I chime in, no one really cares anymore, so I usually am quiet because of it. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:51:12 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: webster's and nucular njc > There are certain ordinary words I cannot pronounce correctly, either. > People call me on them all the time and no matter how hard I try to say it > correctly it just comes out wrong every time. I've been giving this some thought. The thing regarding President Bush is that he's the "leader of the free world" and should be setting an example, not to mention he's supposed to be all about education reform ("No Child Left Behind" and all that). You would think he -- or any president of the U.S. -- would want to do his (or her) very best to speak correctly in public. Here is the Bush administration, essentially forcing kids to take those god-awful standardized tests. Meanwhile, any kid wanting to emulate Bush will probably failing his spelling test if the test includes the word "nuclear." Just my 2 cents. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:10:32 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc > It is CO-lin. At elast it isn't Colon as that pratt in the uSA seems to > prefer..... I think Wally was trying to say that you pronounce it like "CAW-lin" and not like Colin Powell pronounces his (like colon, the organ). Anyway, I like the way Colin Powell pronounces his name -- it fits much better with Bush and Dick! Lori, being Beavis-y ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:08:15 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc and lily tomlin Wally claims: << i never remember how to pronounce (SNIP) "libido". >> Yeah, right. For me it's "desultory." I'll never forget one time in high school when we were having a meeting of the entire junior class (300+16 & 17 year olds) and a very unpopular boy stood up and used the word "epitome" and -- you guessed it -- pronounced it "ep-it-TOME." His ears must still be red! Lily Tomlin has a (long lost, for me) comedy album which has a routine about her reading aloud in grammar school class and pronouncing the word "island" as it's spelled. From then on all the mean little kids in class taunted her at recess with "IS-land, IS-land." - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:16:37 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Mia wrote: > What is even scarier is the growing "Intelligent Design" movement that the > religious right is trying to pass off as science so they can get their > theology into the public school system. I agree. The Religious Wrong will stop at nothing to get the theory of creationism back into public schools, and the theory of evolution out. This is what I've never been able to understand: if a person purports to see ghosts or communicate with spirits other than "God," he or she is generally viewed as, at the very least, a bit nuts. WHY is "God" the only "spirit" allowed?? This has never made any sense whatsoever to me. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:22:32 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc Lori Fye wrote: >> >> > >I think Wally was trying to say that you pronounce it like "CAW-lin" > no. it is CO-lin i.e the o is short, like in cot or shot.... >and not >like Colin Powell pronounces his (like colon, the organ). > >Anyway, I like the way Colin Powell pronounces his name -- it fits much better >with Bush and Dick! > he he! > >Lori, >being Beavis-y > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:32:18 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) To explain the origin of the DNA/protein machine by invoking a supernatural Designer is to explain precisely nothing, for it leaves unexplained the origin of the Designer. You have to say something like 'God was always there', and if you allow yourself that kind of lazy way out, you might as well just say 'DNA was always there', or "Life was always there', and be done with it. --Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker : Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without Design p. 141 this seems to be a very good point. However, this is what scientists have done too. they expect us to believe that everything came from nothing, that there was nothing, then there was the Big Bang and hey presto here we are. now that is as diffiuclt for me to believe as the idea that there is a God who created everything. Both Relgion and Science have the same problem-they cannot answer what we want to know! And both come up with ideas that are impossible to believe. Quite rightly, people ask 'if God created everything, who created God?' science says 'don't be daft there is no God!! There was nothing and we all got made from nothing, by accident.' mmmm...... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:50:27 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc > no. it is CO-lin i.e the o is short, like in cot or shot.... That's what Wally and I were both trying to say, phoenetically. : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:52:01 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: trump NJC Kakki >can hear Donald Trump saying "You're Fired" as I speak! < i have this little fantasy of competing on this show, winning (its a fantasy okay?), & telling him oh no thanks i found a better job offer! lol... btw, what is up with his hair? it is so strange looking & you'd think with his $$ he could afford to get some help with this... & to further go down this tangent, jeff's grandaughter has for a few years used a term we've loved & of course now adopted... she says' "you're so fired!" when she disagrees with someone or they do something she disapproves of... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:53:33 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Currently, scientists believe that just before the Big Bang, the universe was rapidly contracting. So, there was something and not nothing before the Big Bang. Big Bang theory does not depend on the idea that nothing gave rise to something. Also, in our present universe, even a vacuum is not "nothing." There is still a minimal energy level. If this were not true, then that piece of AN (or absolutely nothing) would inherently be unstable. A few months ago, a very interesting article ran in Scientific American that described the current "cutting edge" of cosmology- a quantum theory of gravity and space/time. The thought is that the passage of time is actually the accumulation of a vast number of small distinct pieces of time, rather like the way sand flows through an hourglass. colin wrote: >To explain the origin of the DNA/protein machine by invoking a >supernatural Designer is to explain precisely nothing, for it leaves >unexplained the origin of the Designer. You have to say something like >'God was always there', and if you allow yourself that kind of lazy way >out, you might as well just say 'DNA was always there', or "Life was >always there', and be done with it. --Richard Dawkins, The Blind >Watchmaker : Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without >Design > >p. 141 > >this seems to be a very good point. However, this is what scientists >have done too. they expect us to believe that everything came from >nothing, that there was nothing, then there was the Big Bang and hey >presto here we are. now that is as diffiuclt for me to believe as the >idea that there is a God who created everything. >Both Relgion and Science have the same problem-they cannot answer what >we want to know! And both come up with ideas that are impossible to believe. >Quite rightly, people ask 'if God created everything, who created God?' >science says 'don't be daft there is no God!! There was nothing and we >all got made from nothing, by accident.' >mmmm...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:56:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc desultory! i've just learned that it's pronounced DES-sultory and not de-SUL-tory as i've always pronounced it. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Viernes, 26 de Marzo de 2004 02:08 p.m. > Para: emilianopd@mundo-r.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc and lily tomlin > > > > For me it's "desultory." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:59:31 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc Wally writes: << i've just learned that it's pronounced DES-sultory and not de-SUL-tory as i've always pronounced it. >> Now try to remember that . . . that's the problem. To me, our mispronunciation *sounds* better than the correct pronunciation. Wish you were here, Wally! It has now been more than a year since you visited Boston. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:07:09 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Lori sensibly wrote: > This is what I've never been able to understand: if a person purports to see > ghosts or communicate with spirits other than "God," he or she is generally > viewed as, at the very least, a bit nuts. WHY is "God" the only "spirit" > allowed?? This has never made any sense whatsoever to me. This is going off on a tangent, but it IS in keeping with the general theological/political flavor of the moment. The Buddhist concept of The Wheel has always appealed to me, and the associated reincarnation concepts, e.g., "you gotta keep doing it until you get it RIGHT", otherwise you'll be reincarnated as a lower life form. I must be approaching Nirvana as I came back as a (moderate) Republican this time. Best Regards, bp np: birdsongs...hundreds of 'em wafting in the window on a balmy 75 degree spring morning ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:15:00 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: fact (njc) I recently read an extremely well-written book called THE METAPHYSICAL CLUB by Louis Menand. If you are interested in how "a fact" attains that status, you may appreciate his careful account of "an idea about ideas." The book tells some American history as you may not have previously seen it recounted. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:27:37 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer, njc hi >>>>laurent wrote >>>> Truth is I'm also discouraged because most of the times I bother mentioning new artists it's like pissing in the wind.<<<< well, i for one definitely appreciate the recomendations on this list. while i may not react immediately, i generally find that i store up the names in the back of my mind, then when i'm browsing through a shop - normally online - i see the names, recognise them, and listen and normally buy them. sarah harmer is one who i have heard about from various sources, & once the credit card has recovered a bit, i will be trolling the net for some of her music. i also find a great place to browse new artists are in bob's covers releases. ive never actually got any of his covers discs (sorry bob) since im kind of swamped with new music, but i do pay particular attention to the reviews as they are normally very informative. how about making them available online at the covers page???? and i must also add that i find the level of recomendations to be great here. some other music lists just seem to have an on going competition to sprout out the longest possible lists of the most obscure possible artists. eventually i just skip over them. here there tends to be a bit more concentration on artists, plus some analysis, plus i just generally seem to like the music picks here a bit more. ron np - eastmountainsouth - show me the river (just another great band i learned about on this list) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:38:55 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Loreena McKennitt NJC At 04:36 AM 3/26/2004 -0500, Ken wrote: >Catherine McKay wrote: >>>You mention Loreena McKennitt. She came out years ago with "The Mummers >>>Dance" if I remember. Ran the music business out of her home "The Mummers Dance" is from the 1997 album "The Book of Secrets." Loreena's first album, "Elemental," dates from 1985. In the early stages of her career she did indeed "run" the business out of her home, filling mail orders that trickled in as she busked her way across Canada. Tell me if you've heard this before...born on the Canadian prairies...highly articulate and brilliantly observant...a singer... and songwriter...innovative and sophisticated...produces her own albums and maintains artistic control...hmmm.... :-) >> From http://www.quinlanroad.com, Loreena McKennitt's (very nicely >> designed) website she must have a Les Irvin) She has about a dozen people working there and also maintains an office in the UK. They are affectionately known as "Quinlan Minions." >>"Loreena is the founder of The Cook-Rees Memorial Fund >>For Water Search And Safety, a charitable fund >>established in memory of her partner Ronald Rees, his >>brother Richard and their friend Greg Cook. Her fiancee's name was Donald Rees. Following this tragic accident Loreena has taken a long sabbatical and has only performed in public a handful of times since 1998. However, she is working on a new album and has kept busy with other projects, most notably funding several social and art programs in and around Ontario. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:43:22 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Loreena McKennitt NJC sp@olympus.net writes: << Tell me if you've heard this before...born on the Canadian prairies...highly articulate and brilliantly observant...a singer... and songwriter...innovative and sophisticated...produces her own albums and maintains artistic control...hmmm.... :-) >> Is it Catherine? - --Lou ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:10:21 -0600 From: Subject: Re: Re: Fact NJC PC Kakki wrote: "I think political discourse does tend to spin facts for its own advantage, but a fact by itself is objective and does not spin." Ah, yes--but where does one draw the line? My point was, and is, that the difference between "fact" and "interpretation" can sometimes become very, very blurred. Also, sometimes apparently neutral words can be loaded or nuanced, as some of those writing after me have pointed out. Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:09:52 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc Lori Fye wrote: >>no. it is CO-lin i.e the o is short, like in cot or shot.... >> >> > >That's what Wally and I were both trying to say, phoenetically. > >: ) > >Lori > > > oh! A bit like me saying Lori is said like Lorry and you say it's like Lawri!!! you just speak funny..... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:13:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) David Sadowski wrote: > Currently, scientists believe that just before the Big Bang, the > universe was rapidly contracting. So, there was something and not > nothing before the Big Bang. > okay. so how did that something get there? it still amounts to the same thing doesn't it? if their weas a universe before the Big Bang created this one, how did the previous one get there? So somehting must have come from nothing, origianlly, evn if they now say they don't meant hat with the Big Bang.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:21:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: words we usually mispronounce njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > > > Anyway, I like the way Colin Powell pronounces his > name -- it fits much better > with Bush and Dick! > > Lori, > being Beavis-y heh-heh-heh-heh-heh. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:22:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc a desultory richard cory. i'll use that as a memory aid. i wish i were there, bob. [sigh.........] w > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Viernes, 26 de Marzo de 2004 03:00 p.m. > Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; Smurfycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Fw: words we usually mispronounce njc > > > Wally writes: > > << i've just learned that it's pronounced DES-sultory and not > de-SUL-tory as i've always pronounced it. >> > > Now try to remember that . . . that's the problem. To me, our > mispronunciation *sounds* better than the correct pronunciation. > > Wish you were here, Wally! It has now been more than a year since > you visited > Boston. > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:25:14 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) Why couldn't there always have been something? colin wrote: > David Sadowski wrote: > >> Currently, scientists believe that just before the Big Bang, the >> universe was rapidly contracting. So, there was something and not >> nothing before the Big Bang. >> > okay. so how did that something get there? it still amounts to the > same thing doesn't it? if their weas a universe before the Big Bang > created this one, how did the previous one get there? > So somehting must have come from nothing, origianlly, evn if they now > say they don't meant hat with the Big Bang.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:30:15 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) > The Buddhist concept of The Wheel has always appealed to me, and the > associated reincarnation concepts, e.g., "you gotta keep doing it until you > get it RIGHT", otherwise you'll be reincarnated as a lower life form. > The Wheel appeals to me as well. If I practice anything, it's some combination of Buddhism (which is all that Mary was raised with, although sparingly) and Taoism. > I must be approaching Nirvana as I came back as a (moderate) Republican this > time. Were you always a moderate Republican, Buck? I guess we never discussed this during our days in Fortuna. (I was registered as "independent" then.) Lori ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #132 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)