From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #131 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 26 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 131 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- what is reality? Cheney/Halliburton ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: What is reality? NJC [Randy Remote ] Re:Travelogue Update [AsharaJM@aol.com] Recycling (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: Rough weekend, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] conservation and evolution (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: God njc ["Kate Bennett" ] The Duhks (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] The King's English...now JC! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: What is reality? NJC PC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Iraq, NJC - Iraq? No, peanuts! [Randy Remote ] Sarah Harrmer ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Bugs within the JMDL site ["Timothy Spong" ] Joni-music event in Pennsylvania ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Arkinsaw, NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Sarah Harmer (minimal JC) (Was: Re: Bugs within the JMDL site) [Ken <] Re: The King's English...now JC! [Catherine McKay ] Re: recycling, NJC [Deb ] Re: Sarah Harmer njc now Loreena McKennitt [Catherine McKay ] Re: What is reality? NJC PC ["Kakki" ] Re: Recycling (NJC) [Deb ] Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: I'm a dummy - now Cheney and Halliburton NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: What is reality? NJC PC [] Re: What is reality? NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Re:webster's and nucular njc ["Kakki" ] Today's Library Links: March 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:13:24 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: what is reality? Cheney/Halliburton I guess for me, the thing is that I just don't trust these guys. .. this administration. . .so whether it is on the books or it is on the QT, (cash is good). . . I just don't like the idea that Halliburton is getting the major business on this deal. . . if it looks like a fish. . . (I can't remember the saying). The bottom line for me is that I just don't trust 'em. (Do you know what "QT" stands for?) (I do not) Marianne >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:45:07 -0800 >From: "Kakki" >Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC >I googled. He doesn't receive a stipend. He receives deferred >compensation >per an employment agreement set up years before he ran for V.P. The >after-tax proceeds all go to charity. He has stock options that he cannot >exercise until he no longer is in a position where there is a potential for .conflict of interest. He has a 401K account which is exempt. >they are almost unique in their field in that there are few other companies >that can provide the same level of expertise. They would exist and get big >money contracts without Cheney or Bush. >Isn't he worth somewhere upwards of $100 million? He's had four serious >heart attacks and a stent in him. Do the Cheney conspiracy theorists >really >think he plots to make even more money through dishonest means? What - >he's >going to take it all with him when he goes? Geez. >Kakki >>Kakki >How do you know Cheney receives a stipend from Halliburton?< >> >>I know he still receives $$ from them but not sure if its considered a >>stipend or another term...this is really common knowledge, you could >>find it easily by googling... _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:26:07 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Arkinsaw, NJC Laura kindly suggested: > Anyway, the remedy to break the curse is for you to eat black eyed peas > on New Year's Day, least that's what they say here in Arkinsaw. So, maybe > next year! Ever since moving to Texas in 1987, I've eaten black eyed peas every New Year's Day! Or maybe I skipped a year ... maybe that was the year I had to spent 36 hours in an ice storm in Arkansas, part of it sleeping in the parking lot of some Waffle House in in the car (which was running to stay warm, with the window cracked to stay alive) ... two days before Christmas and not a room at the inn ... Hmm. : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:25:39 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC Hmmm...you totally ignored the rest of my post, however... Kakki wrote: > Randy wrote: > > > I suggest looking into the information from Scott Ritter. He was > > a member of the US inspection team, before we pulled out. > > Yeah Scott Ritter who was later paid several hundred thousands of dollars > from Saddam to make a "documentary" and what else. Please. He's totally > not credible in my book, I did not know about this allegation, but will keep an open mind regarding his credibility. He said that the inspection process was working, and that WMD programs were not resumed, and that much has been shown to be true. BTW, our local community station will be talking to Scott Ritter this Friday eve. @ 7PM (PST)- you can hear it online by going to http://www.kmud.org . It will probably be a call in show, so you can ask him questions if you like. > Kind of like the Vice President's company, > > Halliburton getting those billion dollar deals. (Notice I did not say > > former company, because he still recieves a stipend from them). > > How do you know Cheney receives a stipend from Halliburton? What source? Kakki wrote: > I googled. He doesn't receive a stipend. He receives deferred compensation > per an employment agreement set up years before he ran for V.P. Deferred compensation? Stipend? I guess I'm not clear on what the difference is.....he is on the Halliburton payroll, no? > He has a 401K account which is exempt. > > Isn't he worth somewhere upwards of $100 million? He's had four serious > heart attacks and a stent in him. Do the Cheney conspiracy theorists really > think he plots to make even more money through dishonest means? Isn't that how most of the super wealthy operate? Offshore offices, tax dodges, leveraged buyouts, sweetheart deals. There is a different set of rules, legions of lawyers, and a loophole encyclopedia for engineering these things. Everybody knows that. > What - he's > going to take it all with him when he goes? Geez. That's what I can never understand about the obscenely wealthy. How much is enough? You might as well ask why Trump needs solid gold toilet handles. Let's not get too far off the track, though. - -Bush told the American people we needed to attack Iraq and spend billions of dollars and waste the lives of thousands because Saddam was an immediate threat to US security, and had weapons of mass destruction. The UN said they were 1 month from certifying that there were no WMD. In the interviening year, no WMD have been found. - -Bush tried to link Saddam to al-Queda. Intellegence experts have disagreed with this from the start. No link has been found; Saddam and bin Laden were anything but friendly. - -It's been revealed that, as early as Sept. 12, Bush wanted a reason to link Iraq to the 9-11 attacks. No link has been found. - -Gen. Powell went before the UN council with forged documents to make a case for war with Iraq. > Saddam himself was a weapon of mass destruction which anyone can see from > all the mass graves uncovered and the stories of the people of Iraq for > decades. I don't care if you disagree on involvement there (I have never > been enthused with it myself) but why why why deny the facts You will have to tell me which facts I am denying. No one has ever said that Saddam was anything less than a murderous thug-despite his assistance in coming to power by our own foreign policy that consistantly props up dictators when it suits our designs for US dominance or big business interests. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:01:07 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re:Travelogue Update Bob S. wrote: <> You know, Bob, I think for me, you hit the nail on the proverbial head. I didn't realize "why" I really liked Travelogue so much, even on first listen, but I think this articulates it for me. Thanks! Hugs, {old} Ashara, trying to catch up as always ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:04:35 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Recycling (NJC) Bree wrote: <> Hmm...........anyone that was at Jonifest 1998-2001.......does this sound like anyone *you* know?????? ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:09:51 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Rough weekend, njc Dear Jim, I am so sorry that this happened to you and I'm even more sorry that no one is offering to help. It can be very disappointing, but no matter, we rise above it and keep going strong. I'd come get you myself if I could. At least you know you have friends that would do it for you somewhere. I'm a little behind in digests so please forgive. Sherelle Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:59:53 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Rough weekend, njc Yo. Someone stole my car over the weekend. That was shock enough but out of the 15 people I work with, exactly one offered to help with rides. Believe it or not, that lack of support was more of a shock than the theft. All the best, Jim _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:18:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: conservation and evolution (NJC) Lucy wrote> if we were created then we were a prototype and were developed with the arrogance and volatility removed in future marques... For all we know we exist in parallel universes with the previous and future marques aware of our existance (being part of the inner circle natch!!) and they watch us through the glass roof of the glacatadome in which we are permitted to live... Want to know why the Mars thing failed? I will give you a clue... think about the Trueman Show film when he goes sailing!!!< LOL lucy your mind is most surely one of the seven wonders of the world! What a delightful idea... I often think that perhaps mars is our greatest warning...after all mars is the planet of war & maybe they had one & look what happened...earthlings beware & wise up... Do I need to mention how I think it is so ironic that these explorations of mars are happening at this time? Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:22:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: God njc Huh? Robin>None of it is a "great idea" - why waste time on false centres of consciousness......"Fiction of the image and the image-maker.."< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:26:42 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: The Duhks (NJC) I just heard a cut off this group from Winnipeg, Manitoba's CD. Damn good stuff, really great! Anyone ever heard of them? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:28:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The King's English...now JC! Isn't the line "I went shopping today for jew-ells" ? Steve >She also sings 'Jew-ler-y' in He Sang Real Good For Free...< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:37:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC Mary> As I think I've said before here, "fact," when applied to a politically-charged debate, is a loaded word, and frequently a meaningless one. And as I *know* I've said before here, one person's "fact" is often another person's spin.< I agree, "fact" is just another 4 letter word beginning with F... & that's a f@#% Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:49:37 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Iraq, NJC - Iraq? No, peanuts! Peanut butter may contain traces of one of the most poisonous substances known, a fungus known as aflatoxin. It is measured in parts per billion, and may be a problem when peanuts come from China or other under-regulated countries. Recent free trade agreements have exacerbated the problem. Arrowhead Mills organic peanut butter is not only delicious, but aflatoxin free, due to the use of peanuts grown in New Mexico, where contamination has not been a problem. Peanuts grown in Texas and the arid south are the safest. People allergic to nuts may actually be reacting to aflatoxin. Aflatoxins also occurs in other foods, most notably corn, and have been shown to be carcinogenic in mice. RR ron wrote: > ve been a peanut addict most of my life - nothing better that a brown paper > bag of fresh roast peanuts, still warm out the roaster. still in their > skins, except perhaps boiled ones still in their shells ???? > > as for peanut butter - well, fresh, natural & chunky, & covered with a nice > layer of real mayonaise - just to boost the oil content................ > > then recently i found out that they are one of the worst things you can eat > if you have thyroid problems, (as i do) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:36:08 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Sarah Harrmer I'm on the only-Joni digest and I may have missed Ken's Sarah Harmer post. I would just like to echo Ken's enthusiasm for this young Canadian talent. I heard her live on CBC radio yesterday morning singing her new song, Dandelions in Bullet Holes, accompanying herself on solo guitar. It was truly sublime. A lovely (but small) voice - beautiful and deep lyrics - and I loved the open tuning and guitar work. I'm hooked. I'm afraid I'm just going to have to buy her new record called, All of Our names, just out yesterday. She's playing with Rufus in LA soon. She's headed for big time, I think. Get more Sarah H at http://www.sarahharmer.com/ Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:10:17 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: Bugs within the JMDL site On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Ken wrote (in part): Subject: Re: Bugs within the JMDL site I'm a little discouraged lately. I've sent a few posts mentioning Sarah Harmer. Either no one likes her or know one knows her. Not a peep from the list. She's has obviously listened to Joni as is evident in songs like Pendulum (the lyrics) and Dandelions in Bullet Holes (the open e tuning). And the sweetest voice. Think I'm in love. Don't tell my old lady. Really surprised no one has anything to say about her. Ken Comment: I know and like Sarah Harmer; however, I did not initially think I had anything specific to add. But, since you put it that way ... WXPN, the oft-cited AAA-format FM station affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania, and which plays quite a lot of Joni's music, also plays Sarah Harmer. When the latter's first album-length CD came out, they played "Basement Apartment" a lot, and perhaps some other tracks some. Now that S.H. either has just, or is about to, droppped) another CD album, they have been playing one or more tracks from it. While I haven't heard it/them enough yet to recall the title(s) or lyrics, I did like it/them. Probably the same year as the first CD came out, I heard and saw Sarah perform as an opening act at The Grand Opera House, Wilmington, Del., and got on an e-mailing list, from which I have only received 1 or 2 communiques the whole ensuing 3 +/- years. TGOH is a venue where I have also heard and seen, inter alia, Joan Baez, David Bromberg, Judy Collins, Shawn Colvin, Nanci Griffith, Janis Ian, Kansas, Patty Larkin, Ottmar Liebert, Lyle Lovett, Loreena McKennitt (who seems to have gone into seclusion since her fiance was killed in a boating accident), Don McLean, George Winston and the singer/songwriter best-known for "Sunshine" from the early 1970s, whom I heard and saw again last fall at a different Wilmington venue, but whose name I can't think of right now -- and others. David Bromberg has opened a violin-making, repairing and sales store in, and taken up residence in Wilmington; he was given a building for that purpose as part of an urban-revitalization effort, and sank a considerable amount into renovating the building. But I'm wandering, digressing, free-associating. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 02:05:03 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Joni-music event in Pennsylvania I just ran across this, which somebody in that geographical area may find of interest (too far away for me): Cabaret at Odette's, New Hope, Pa. March 28 @ 7:30pm - Jim Dragoni & Tim Smith An evening of Joni Mitchells music and some of the original music that she influenced. Guitarist Jim Dragoni, with Tim Smith on piano and vocals. Join Jim Dragoni and Tim Smith as they take you on a musical journey with the music of Joni Mitchell as well their own compositions. Jim Dragoni has been described as a virtuoso guitarist with a fiery approach and Tim Smith is a rising star in the singer songwriter arena, reminiscent of Steven Sondheim. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Arkinsaw, NJC --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: that's what they say here in Arkinsaw. How come it's Kansas, but not Ar-Kansas? One of life's weird mystery (I live in the west end of Toronto, caled Etobicoke, pronounced E-TO-bi-co, another of life's little mysteries. What happened to the k?) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:51:02 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer (minimal JC) (Was: Re: Bugs within the JMDL site) Thanks for your post. I do apreciate it and the other people who have posted on list and privatly concerning my initial post. I have to agree with you concerning her web site. I am also on the mailing list and rarely sent anything and her news section was extremly out of date. About 2 weeks before the new CD was set to be released they've totally revamped her site. Much smarter looking, audio files and her new video.I just wonder why it took them so long. If you'd like to hear some of Sarah's stuff live from a CBC taping try this site. http://www.cbcradio3.com/issues/2004_03_19/index.cfm?page=11 You mention Loreena McKennitt. She came out years ago with "The Mummers Dance" if I remember. Ran the music business out of her home I think. Hadn't heard of this boating accident. K Timothy Spong wrote: > > Comment: > > I know and like Sarah Harmer; however, I did not initially think I > had anything specific to add. But, since you put it that way ... > > WXPN, the oft-cited AAA-format FM station affiliated with the > University of Pennsylvania, and which plays quite a lot of Joni's > music, also plays Sarah Harmer. When the latter's first album-length > CD came out, they played "Basement Apartment" a lot, and perhaps some > other tracks some. Now that S.H. either has just, or is about to, > droppped) another CD album, they have been playing one or more tracks > from it. While I haven't heard it/them enough yet to recall the > title(s) or lyrics, I did like it/them. > Probably the same year as the first CD came out, I heard and saw > Sarah perform as an opening act at The Grand Opera House, Wilmington, > Del., and got on an e-mailing list, from which I have only received 1 > or 2 communiques the whole ensuing 3 +/- years. TGOH is a venue where > I have also heard and seen, inter alia, Joan Baez, David Bromberg, > Judy Collins, Shawn Colvin, Nanci Griffith, Janis Ian, Kansas, Patty > Larkin, Ottmar Liebert, Lyle Lovett, Loreena McKennitt (who seems to > have gone into seclusion since her fiance was killed in a boating > accident), Don McLean, George Winston and the singer/songwriter > best-known for "Sunshine" from the early 1970s, whom I heard and saw > again last fall at a different Wilmington venue, but whose name I > can't think of right now -- and others. David Bromberg has opened a > violin-making, repairing and sales store in, and taken up residence in > Wilmington; he was given a building for that purpose as part of an > urban-revitalization effort, and sank a considerable amount into > renovating the building. But I'm wandering, digressing, free-associating. > > Tim Spong > Dover, Del., U.S.A. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  > FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:54:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The King's English...now JC! --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Isn't the line "I went shopping today for jew-ells" > ? > > Steve >She also sings 'Jew-ler-y' in He Sang Real > Good For Free...< > Yes, and weirder still is "Children let out from the schew-ells." Kewl. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: Deb Subject: Re: recycling, NJC Yes, I agree and it amazes me. We live in the garden of Eden now. This world is beautiful. If only mankind could stop befor it is all gone. Debi thinking about Big Yellow Taxi.... Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: Debi writes: << Anyone not caring about the earth probably does not have children. >> Don't assume that people without children don't care about them or about the future. I recycle everything I can, yet I know people with children and grandchildren who do not. I have even mentioned the "borrowing the earth from our children" quotation to them, but it doesn't make them change. For some very strange reason, there are people who are exremely anti-environment and consider those of us who do care to be tree huggers. I don't understand it because it is often just as easy to throw something into a recycling bin as it is to trash it. - --Smurf **************************** It's all a dream, She has awoke- Joni Mitchell **************************** Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sarah Harmer njc now Loreena McKennitt --- Ken wrote: > I have to agree with you concerning [Sarah Harmer's] web site. I > am also on the > mailing list and rarely sent anything and her news > section > was extremly out of date. About 2 weeks before the > new CD was set to be > released they've totally revamped her site. Much > smarter > looking, audio files and her new video.I just wonder > why it took them so > long. Probably because Sarah doesn't have a Les Irvin (yet). > You mention Loreena McKennitt. She came out years > ago with "The Mummers > Dance" if I remember. Ran the music business out > of her home I think. > Hadn't heard of this boating accident. > K From http://www.quinlanroad.com, Loreena McKennitt's (very nicely designed) website (she must have a Les Irvin): "On May 15, 2003, the Ontario Provincial Police presented a Commissioners Commendation to Loreena McKennitt, for her continued community service in promoting water safety. The presentation, held at the Little Lake Marina in Del Crary Park in Peterborough, Ontario, was made as part of Canadian Safe Boating Week. "Loreena is the founder of The Cook-Rees Memorial Fund For Water Search And Safety, a charitable fund established in memory of her partner Ronald Rees, his brother Richard and their friend Greg Cook. The three men died in a sailing accident in Georgian Bay in 1998. The OPP Search & Recovery unit has received three side scan sonar units and an underwater Remote Operated Vehicle from the fund since 1998." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:16:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Jonatha Brooke in May's Acoustic Guitar mag - njc There's going to be a Jonatha Brooke article in May's Acoustic Guitar mag. This should be good! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:44:58 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: observer article on the four 9/11 widows - njc offered without comment, as i cannot bear to speak. the last couple of days of 9/11 testimony have just been devastating. patrick. please, please read this. http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage2.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bugs within the JMDL site njc --- Timothy Spong wrote: > the > singer/songwriter best-known for "Sunshine" from the > early 1970s, whom I > heard and saw again last fall at a different > Wilmington venue, but whose > name I can't think of right now Jonathon Edwards. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:42:49 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC Jenny wrote: >Just a little clarification... The deferred compensation payments did not go to charities. He kept those. He "arranged" for any money made from the future sale of the stock >options to go to charity (i wonder which ones?). I'm just quoting what has been reported by CBS, CNN and other news outlets based on my googling. What are your sources? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/politics/main575356.shtml http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/07/17/bush.cheney/ http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2003/10/18/news/wyoming/2879e1c8c 280904c2f01622a05499fef.txt Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:39:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Cheney NJC Lori dreamed: > I think I read somewhere that he's planning to leave it all to the Human Rights > Campaign, in honor of his lesbian daughter Mary. Naw, just kind of relatively "pedestrian" beneficiaries ;-) http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2003/10/18/news/wyoming/2879e1c8c280904c2f01622a05499fef.txt "Enzi noted that Cheney has put his assets in a blind trust, which means that he has handed over the day-to-day management of them to someone else. He also noted that Cheney has promised to donate after-tax proceeds from the exercise of his Halliburton stock options to the Capital Partners for Education, the George Washington University Medical Facility Associates and the University of Wyoming" Sen. Lautenberg who spearheaded a congressional hearing on Cheney's ties to Halliburton has even admitted that Cheney hasn't done anything really wrong - it just looks wrong - but he admits that the deferred compensation (compensation earned long before he became V.P. but paid out over time) is going to the charities. How many people do that when they don't have to? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:51:12 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC Hey Mary you wrote: >In my case, though (I can't speak for Vince), I suspect that it's not so much that I would "erase" the UN and Clinton history, but that I would interpret it very differently from the way you would. We can make all kinds of interpretations but when someone says outright that all blame is on Bush then I think they want to believe people just leave their minds and memories checked at the door. Most people are not that amnesiac and simple and that's a good thing, Though, I will admit I am black and white on certain things like facts. How can you have a discussion on anything further if what you are discussing is not grounded on a factual basis? I wonder about people who always claim that truth is whatever they decide it is in the constructs of their minds. Sure, there are individual and subjective interpretations but how would they like it if they were falsely accused of a crime and on trial and their defense lawyers presented all the "facts" that would serve to prove they were innocent. Then the jury comes back convicting them anyway because "it's not about facts, there is no absolute truth, and truth is whatever I believe it to be in the constructs of my mind." Geez. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Deb Subject: Re: Recycling (NJC) Ashara, You are the recycling queen. I knew there was something about you that I really liked! ;o) Hugs, Debi ps I still have that mediatation book that you had on the table with the word FREE on it from the Center of Spiritual Awareness. They sent me a bunch of their new copies and I have been giving them out to my yoga students. Thanks! AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: Bree wrote: > Hmm...........anyone that was at Jonifest 1998-2001.......does this sound like anyone *you* know?????? ;-) Hugs, Ashara **************************** It's all a dream, She has awoke- Joni Mitchell **************************** Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:04:29 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC MessageKate wrote: >can i make just one suggestion? i don't mind if people call public figures names or talk about how they look like chimps & trees (hey if kerry is a tree then we can >be tree huggers!) but when it comes to name calling (however subtle or implied it may be) it is my feeling that this only serves to distract from the argument >being made & fuels uneccessary discord... i am talking in this instance about the use of the term "cheney conspiracy theorists" being used in the rebuttal to >randy & maybe me for jumping in... even if it was not intended for those here, we were scooped up into that group by implication... more importantly, what >purpose does this serve in the debate? Many people have put forth these theories about Cheney here for years! What correct term am I suppose to use? I think it is an accurate and not necessarily negative term to describe those who put forth these theories. And are they not theories? I wasn't trying to target you and Randy personally - I tend to think that you probably read the ideas put forth by the theorists and tend to agree with them. I can dream up my own theories about certain events in the world and I have a pretty strong feeling a lot of time I am probably right. But I cannot prove it. I'm just one person who cannot know it all - only in part. It would be fair to call me a conspiracy theorist on some of my musings, too, even though I may personally feel frustrated that others may not see it the way I do. That's why I think pursuing "facts" in which to ground a debate is probably a more helpful way to go in looking for answers. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:04:14 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: re: Sarah Harmer njc > Hi Ken > I'm on the Joni-only list so I didn't see your original post but it seems to > have worked its way over to this side (nor will I see this post when it > reaches the list.) > > I love Sarah Harmer and in fact just purchased tickets to her Vancouver show > on May 9. Her CD "You Were Here" is my most listened-to CD of any I own, > including Joni. What I love is the intimate feeling that she's "pouring her > simple sorrow out to the sound-hole and her knee", singing her songs just for > herself and, well, if you happen to be listening that's okay too. > > My Sarah story is that she wrote "Open Window (the Wedding Song)" from her > first CD for my niece's wedding. They grew up singing in the church choir > together and when my niece asked Sarah to sing at her wedding, Sarah asked if > it was okay if she wrote a song, since she didn't like any of the wedding > songs she knew. My daughter also used it for the processional at her wedding > last year, sung by yet another niece. > > All the best > Rick > > > On 3/25/04 7:51 PM, slarty@sympatico.ca wrote > >> Thanks for your post. I do apreciate it and the other people who have >> posted on list and privatly concerning my initial post. >> I have to agree with you concerning her web site. I am also on the >> mailing list and rarely sent anything and her news section >> was extremly out of date. About 2 weeks before the new CD was set to be >> released they've totally revamped her site. Much smarter >> looking, audio files and her new video.I just wonder why it took them so >> long. If you'd like to hear some of Sarah's stuff live from a >> CBC taping try this site. >> http://www.cbcradio3.com/issues/2004_03_19/index.cfm?page=11 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:12:50 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: I'm a dummy - now Cheney and Halliburton NJC Jenny - I stand corrected and you are right - the stock options go to charity not the deferred compensation. I'm a dummy and can hear Donald Trump saying "You're Fired" as I speak! My apologies. Kakki, needing a long vacation. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:15:43 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Vi wrote: > > > > isn't it better to be HUNG like a Clydesdale? What's next? V? I love it. The preacher man formerly known as Vince. heheh. Growing ever fonder of this guy from the north. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:12:15 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: The King's English...now JC! I think I've mentioned before (but a good Joni story always bears repeating) that I saw Joni in concert in Stratford, Ontario in 1969, I think, and she lamented the fact that she pronounced those two words so strangely on the record. She said she didn't know why she'd done it because the song worked just as well if she merely stretched out the vowel sounds instead of adding the extra syllable. When she then sang it, the words jewels and schools sounded much more natural. All the best Rick On 3/25/04 7:54 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote > --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > Isn't the line "I went shopping today for jew-ells" >> ? >> Steve >She also sings 'Jew-ler-y' in He Sang Real >> Good For Free...< >> > Yes, and weirder still is "Children let out from the > schew-ells." Kewl. > > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:14:43 -0600 From: Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC Kakki, You wrote: "Though, I will admit I am black and white on certain things like facts. How can you have a discussion on anything further if what you are discussing is not grounded on a factual basis?" Well, I don't think I ever implied that it should. I said, or certainly meant, that truth is informed by facts, but what we regard as "factual" is very much colored by what we already believe. I think this is nowhere more true than in political discourse. Myself, I'm skeptical of claims that "all blame" is on *anyone*--but also , I admit, of people who claim that other people think that, without knowing exactly what those other people may have said. Overgeneralizations of any kind don't help dialogue along, in my experience. Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:47:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC Randy wrote: > Hmmm...you totally ignored the rest of my post, however... I read it but some of your interpretations of events is so different than mine it that I feel like there is no common ground on which I can address them. I try to address that which is open to debate (from my own comprehension and ability to do so). You have put a lot out there and I would like to discuss them further but it would take some time for me to find sources which underlie my own takes on the many subjects you have raised. When I have more time I could address your other points. I think the subjects are too serious to just spout back on off the top of my head (which isn't exactly razor sharp at this point in time ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:58:48 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Re:webster's and nucular njc > Wally writes: > > << "nucular" is simply a case of metathesis, usually resulting from ignorance > of etymology or from intellectual laziness. >> Could be a kind of deliberate or affected intellectual laziness - like to show he is one of the folks and not one of the elites. Many people have had that take on him. > It may be intellectual snobbery on my part, but I have an instinctive > scepticism of people - more specifically when they happen to be as powerful as Dubya > - when they simply can't pronounce the word "nuclear" - it's as simple as > that. It reminds me of a child saying "skellington" or "sumbarine". And of > course Mr Bush is a serial offender against the English language. Sorry, but put > together with everything else I see, hear and read about him, that worries me! I do agree his pronounciation of certain words makes me absolutely cringe. The worst for me is when he says "reinterate" instead of "reiterate." I'm not sure about the nucular/nuclear thing, though. There are some words the most otherwise brilliant of people simply cannot pronouce correctly. It may be a brain wave malfunction or something. There are certain ordinary words I cannot pronounce correctly, either. People call me on them all the time and no matter how hard I try to say it correctly it just comes out wrong every time. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 02:03:39 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 26 On March 26 the following articles were published: 1988: "Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm" - People (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=464 1988: "Joni Mitchell Delighted to be Home" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=366 2000: "Singing Your Pain" - Brisbane Courier Mail (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=484 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #131 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)