From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #130 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 25 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 130 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- What Do the Simple Folk Do? (Arthur and Guinevere) ["Kate Bennett" ] my dream [ZZScotty@aol.com] Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC [colin ] Re: God njc [colin ] webster's and nucular njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) ["Lucy Hone" ] RE: God njc [Catherine McKay ] Rough weekend, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Fw: webster's and nucular njc (for aol, non-mac users) [Emiliano ] Re: BYT on Counting Crows Trib [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: God njc ["robin mortlock" ] Re:webster's and nucular njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: webster's and nucular njc [Ken ] Prince song 4 Joni [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC [Steve Polifka ] Re: njc - I Want You Gone (Laura Love) [Lori Fye ] Re: What is reality? NJC [Lori Fye ] little green pronunciation ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: recycling, NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: little green pronunciation ["Richard Flynn" ] little green pronunciation ["Marianne Rizzo" ] sarah harmer and bruce cockburn NJC [magsnbrei ] Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC [Jenny Goodspeed ] RE: The King's English; Was, Bush's Faith (NJC, PC) [] Re: recycling, NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: prince [david sapp ] RE: The King's English; Was, Bush's Faith (NJC, PC) [Lori Fye ] Re: Tlog (Joni's last?) [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC no PC ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] RE: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:42:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: What Do the Simple Folk Do? (Arthur and Guinevere) Susan wrote> the funny thing is that we had e-mailed a few days before, promising to look out for each other. Late one evening (way after midnight, right, Kate?) I was on my way to a showcase and saw a woman walking in front of me with the most gorgeous red hair - - - "Kate?", I had to ask... and it was!< Waaay closer to daylight than midnight for sure! It was really quite an amazing coincidence considering the hundreds of places anyone could be at that moment & the thousands of people milling about in the dark night... And like it usually is when jmdlers meet it was an instant connection of friendship... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:42:15 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC >. Been here all > along, just exercising restraint and repeating my "I can't change the way > they think" mantra...over and over. LOL Buck. I try that one, too, but still get sucked in every time. (I didn't have my contacts in and first read the subject line as "The King's English...was Bush's fault." ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:48:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC Kakki >How do you know Cheney receives a stipend from Halliburton?< I know he still receives $$ from them but not sure if its considered a stipend or another term...this is really common knowledge, you could find it easily by googling... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:32:25 EST From: ZZScotty@aol.com Subject: my dream I had a wonderful dream about Joni. I was at her house, with a number of other people, none of whom I knew. A party was going on, and Joni was happy, and talking to other people. I was so excited to be there, and I wanted to talk to her, but I didn't want to intrude. I went to a very large garage, and a security guard was sitting in a little rail car on some railroad tracks (this was a dream, after all). I went to him and asked if it was ok to talk to her, to approach her. He started to tell me that it was allright if I went about it correctly. Then Joni walked by and took me up to a room on the second floor where she was giving a concert. I was ecstatic. There were about 15 other people in this room, and here Joni had invited me to her private concert. She played her guitar, and sang, and then played another instrument that I had never seen. It looked kind of like an electric guitar, and she was using barre chords at the strings, but on the body of the guitar was a tape player that looked like an echo machine (like from the late 60's), and a box that she struck with her hand. I so much wanted to remember every song that she sang so I could write people at jmdl. I had my cd case with me, and wondered if I dare ask her to sign one. It was the case that I carry with me most of the time, and has about 18 of Joni's cd's in it now. I wondered about which one to pick. Joni came by to watch. I pulled out Clouds and she was very happy that I picked that one. She wrote a personalized message on it, and even made sure that she spelled my name right. I was so psyched, and I asked her if I could write to jmdl while I was there. She was happy that I wanted to, and told me I could. Then I woke up. So I decided to write anyway, even though I haven't read the digest for ages. I don't know what kind of controversies exist or threads that people are writing about. But that's ok, because I still consider you friends. I'm going through a very stressful time. I am about to take on my employer - the state of Colorado. I've filed several grievances, made a discrimination complaint with the state civil rights commission (jointly with the eeoc), and am about to file a notice of intent to sue. The lawyer who works for the union to which I belong has turned out to be a big disappointment, so I'm doing this pro se, for the time being. Joni has always been a guardian angel for me, ever since about 1968. What I mean is that I've found solace in her music at different times in my life. She speaks directly to me, on an emotional level, and her music is a safe place for my soul. And she let me come close to her, in my dream. So anyway, hello again. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:44:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC vince wrote: > > > colin wrote: > > > isn't it better to be HUNG like a Clydesdale? only if you are happy to be celibate..... > > > Vinc, just wondering > >> >> - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:45:07 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC I googled. He doesn't receive a stipend. He receives deferred compensation per an employment agreement set up years before he ran for V.P. The after-tax proceeds all go to charity. He has stock options that he cannot exercise until he no longer is in a position where there is a potential for conflict of interest. He has a 401K account which is exempt. Halliburton has been a major Dept. of Defense contractor for years and that they are almost unique in their field in that there are few other companies that can provide the same level of expertise. They would exist and get big money contracts without Cheney or Bush. Isn't he worth somewhere upwards of $100 million? He's had four serious heart attacks and a stent in him. Do the Cheney conspiracy theorists really think he plots to make even more money through dishonest means? What - he's going to take it all with him when he goes? Geez. Kakki > Kakki >How do you know Cheney receives a stipend from Halliburton?< > > I know he still receives $$ from them but not sure if its considered a > stipend or another term...this is really common knowledge, you could > find it easily by googling... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:54:29 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: God njc ron wrote: > > > no one will let my >opinions affect their relationship with me.................) > adults won't. > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:30:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: webster's and nucular njc webster's has a descriptive rather than a normative approach to language phenomena, so if you're looking for the "right way" to say something, you should consult other sources. webster's position is that if many people say it, then it is acceptable. this stance came as a reaction to usage specialists such as fowler, who had a "purist" view of language. still, even if purists are sometimes too rigid for survival in today's world, they are the last strongholds of accuracy and elegance in expression. one must be aware of one's context when producing discourse. the "february" case (introducing a "y" sound after "feb-") and the "nucular" case are not comparable. the former is a phonetic assimilation process. it is natural in the sense that it is induced by articulatory phenomena. "nucular" is simply a case of metathesis, usually resulting from ignorance of etymology or from intellectual laziness. wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:39:37 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) COLIN... thank you for this.... Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:38:56 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) ........edit then........... "Another one of those unanswerable questions that makes one wonder 'does it really matter?'. surely there are other questions of more importance and makes one wonder if energy spent on asking the unanswerable is well spent." I feel the same about a lot of the stuff we ponder on for ages. It is good to ponder and good to have awareness and a bit of awe, but in the end we have to accept what is, is what is. Nothing will change if we proveit to be one way or another (except some group or another will crow "TOLD YOU SO"... I don't actually care that much for the GOD thing..created in his image etc., and it all being done with the wave of his hand,,,,. if we were created then we were a prototype and were developed with the arrogance and volatility removed in future marques... For all we know we exist in parallel universes with the previous and future marques aware of our existance (being part of the inner circle natch!!) and they watch us through the glass roof of the glacatadome in which we are permitted to live... Want to know why the Mars thing failed? I will give you a clue... think about the Trueman Show film when he goes sailing!!! Yup, the space craft from the UK hit the roof of the galactadome and crashed.... what more proof do you need..... YOu may laugh and think this is nuts but you cannot prove it..it is possible. we can none of us prove, without doubt our past development,.. all we can do is to look at the result of the world as managed by "man".... WE have failed, and are failing, in the stewardship of this planet... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:50:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: God njc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > >dont some languages have neutral gender???< > > I don't know but I think that is a great idea if > there is one... German does, but it doesn't work exactly the way you might think. For instance, the word "girl" is neutral, not feminine; objects can be masculine, feminine or neutral and it rarely has anything to do with their possible sexual qualities. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:59:53 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Rough weekend, njc Yo. Someone stole my car over the weekend. That was shock enough but out of the 15 people I work with, exactly one offered to help with rides. Believe it or not, that lack of support was more of a shock than the theft. All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:20:48 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: webster's and nucular njc (for aol, non-mac users) Wally says: webster's has a descriptive rather than a normative approach to language phenomena, so if you're looking for the "right way" to say something, you should consult other sources. webster's position is that if many people say it, then it is acceptable. this stance came as a reaction to usage specialists such as fowler, who had a "purist" view of language. still, even if purists are sometimes too rigid for survival in today's world, they are the last strongholds of accuracy and elegance in expression. one must be aware of one's context when producing discourse. the "february" case (introducing a "y" sound after "feb-") and the "nucular" case are not comparable. the former is a phonetic assimilation process. it is natural in the sense that it is induced by articulatory phenomena. "nucular" is simply a case of metathesis, usually resulting from ignorance of etymology or from intellectual laziness. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:24:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: my dream Thanks for sharing your dream, Sean...and I wish you all the best with your legal situation. I wish THAT was the dream and your meeting with Joni was the reality! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:24:51 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: conservation and evolution (NJC) When a teenager i used to go to the cinema a lot. Once, i got a very weird feeling, like i had stepped out of myself. I then had this thought 'i wonder if somehwere, someone or something, is sitting watching a film of us'. That isn't exactly what i thought but the general gist. It is interesting to me that the past present and future are creations of our brain in order that it can keep 'order' or we'd fall apart. Everything we see and feel etc is filtered thru our brain so we don't see what is, only what our brain interprets. And many see differently. A good exlanation I rea donce was that of a colour blind person in a colourful garden. they wouldn't be able to see all the colours but that didn't mean the colours were not there. But of course the colour again is what our brain produces. Our brain, our physical makeup, is the reaosn we can never be objective, or experience stuff objectively, we can never step outside of our physical selves and experience absolute reality/truth. I think we probably will or can when free of the physical. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:26:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BYT on Counting Crows Trib "Read somewhere (RS or SPIN) that the artist on the tribute is Vanessa "1000 miles" Carlton," I dunno...she did the backup 'coda' vocal when the thing was re-recorded for a single, I'd be real surprised if the Counting Crows version with her vocal is on their own tribute CD. Then again, I'm usually surprised at lease once a day. The mystery continues... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:27:19 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: RE: God njc KAte wrote: : RE: God njc > > >dont some languages have neutral gender???< > >I don't know but I think that is a great idea if there is one... > >------------------------------ > None of it is a "great idea" - why waste time on false centres of consciousness......"Fiction of the image and the image-maker.." peace - Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:41:20 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re:webster's and nucular njc Wally writes: << "nucular" is simply a case of metathesis, usually resulting from ignorance of etymology or from intellectual laziness. >> It may be intellectual snobbery on my part, but I have an instinctive scepticism of people - more specifically when they happen to be as powerful as Dubya - - when they simply can't pronounce the word "nuclear" - it's as simple as that. It reminds me of a child saying "skellington" or "sumbarine". And of course Mr Bush is a serial offender against the English language. Sorry, but put together with everything else I see, hear and read about him, that worries me! It's like the notorious grillling he was given years ago, when he failed to answer all those questions about heads of state. One person I expressed concern to about this defended Bush by saying he was ambushed and asked tricky question like who's the leader of Tajikistan or Djibouti - but in fact one of the ones he didn't know was the leader of Pakistan, a nucular (oops!) state which had just undergone a military coup and was at sabres drawn with India, another nuclear state. If I stopped Joe or Josephine Public in the street and asked them, I wouldn't be too bothered if they didn't know - but this was the man who wanted to become "leader of the free world" - he bloody well *should* know stuff like this! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:37:13 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: webster's and nucular njc It gets better than that. He didn't even know who the Prime Minister of Canada was. A comic (Ric Mercer) posing as a journalist asked him what he thought of a fictitious speech Canada's PM, Tim Horton gave. Of course GWB thought very kindly towards blah blah blah. Tim Horton is a brand of Donuts sold only in Canada. Ken AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: >Wally writes: > ><< "nucular" is simply a case of metathesis, usually resulting from ignorance >of etymology or from intellectual laziness. >> > >It may be intellectual snobbery on my part, but I have an instinctive >scepticism of people - more specifically when they happen to be as powerful as Dubya >- when they simply can't pronounce the word "nuclear" - it's as simple as >that. It reminds me of a child saying "skellington" or "sumbarine". And of >course Mr Bush is a serial offender against the English language. Sorry, but put >together with everything else I see, hear and read about him, that worries me! > >It's like the notorious grillling he was given years ago, when he failed to >answer all those questions about heads of state. One person I expressed >concern to about this defended Bush by saying he was ambushed and asked tricky >question like who's the leader of Tajikistan or Djibouti - but in fact one of the >ones he didn't know was the leader of Pakistan, a nucular (oops!) state which >had just undergone a military coup and was at sabres drawn with India, another >nuclear state. If I stopped Joe or Josephine Public in the street and asked >them, I wouldn't be too bothered if they didn't know - but this was the man who >wanted to become "leader of the free world" - he bloody well *should* know >stuff like this! > >Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:14:05 -0500 From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Prince song 4 Joni I believe the title of the song Prince wrote for Joni was: U R My Emotional Pump Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:28:12 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC She also sings 'Jew-ler-y' in He Sang Real Good For Free... Steve p.s. AND she sings her consonants! Stop it, woman! "While muslims stick up Washingtonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..." Argh!!! At 01:28 PM 3/24/2004 -0500, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >don't think it is regional. ..it is just wrong. > > >FWIW, whenever Joni tells the "Magdalene Laundry" story, she >says 're-la-tors' instead of 'real-tors' which drives me just >as batty as someone saying 'nucular'. > >Bob > >NP: Tom Petty, "Call me The Breeze" 4/23/99 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:47:39 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: TLOG poll Stephen T wrote: "Ok so this would have made a great single CD IMO (not in this particular order); The Dawntreader You Dream Flat Tyres Woodstock Amelia God Must Be A Boogie Man The Last Time I Saw Richard For The Roses Otis & Marlena Cherokee Louise Be Cool Borderline" Unfortunately, Stephen is only the 9th person who felt inclined to reply to this poll, which asks for the 11 songs you would pick if Tlog were to be made into a single CD (i.e.,cut the 22 songs in half). Isn't there any interest in which songs are currently on the list ? Which one has the most votes ? Which one has the fewest votes ? Whether the distribution obtained is inconsistent with random selection ? For example, Stephen cast the first full vote for one of the songs - but which one ? And none of the songs is unanimous so far, but one is close. If you post your picks, I'll add them to my Excel sheet and report results someday. But I need a bunch more responses. (I know many of you do not like polls of this type - but if you're not one of them, it ain't that much work). :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:53:03 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: TLOG poll It's a lot of work just to listen to TLOG again! ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Bobsart48@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:48 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: TLOG poll Stephen T wrote: "Ok so this would have made a great single CD IMO (not in this particular order); The Dawntreader You Dream Flat Tyres Woodstock Amelia God Must Be A Boogie Man The Last Time I Saw Richard For The Roses Otis & Marlena Cherokee Louise Be Cool Borderline" Unfortunately, Stephen is only the 9th person who felt inclined to reply to this poll, which asks for the 11 songs you would pick if Tlog were to be made into a single CD (i.e.,cut the 22 songs in half). Isn't there any interest in which songs are currently on the list ? Which one has the most votes ? Which one has the fewest votes ? Whether the distribution obtained is inconsistent with random selection ? For example, Stephen cast the first full vote for one of the songs - but which one ? And none of the songs is unanimous so far, but one is close. If you post your picks, I'll add them to my Excel sheet and report results someday. But I need a bunch more responses. (I know many of you do not like polls of this type - but if you're not one of them, it ain't that much work). :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:11:55 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: njc - I Want You Gone (Laura Love) Susan, thanks for that!! I love Laura Love! Met her once (briefly), many dim years ago, at a women's music festival in Texas. She's amazing. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:12:08 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Now for something REALLY different -- NJC At 10:28 PM 3/24/2004 EST, Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: >Paz threatens: > ><< What say I just beat your ass while I am up there?? Bitch! >> > >You know I am not into that leather scene that you and Stevie like so much. > >--Smurf > Smurf, you are just jealous!!! Jealous I tell you! And me thinks that YOU were the one who pinned Paz in the the corner and wouldn't take no... Yea that's it! You're just a coyote in Smurphette's's clothing, that's what you are! singin': "Pazman Take my blues away...." :-P Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:15:57 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: TLOG poll Un-fortunately? Bob, 9 responses is incredible in this crowd. Here's a tip: rephrase your query this way: "If the election were held today, who would you vote for? And while you're at it, what are your favorite 11 T-log songs?" :~) Bob NP: Liz Phair, "jealousy" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:23:47 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: nucular, njc Laura invited me to: > Come to Arkansas sometime (on Bella of course!) Oh dear. I would, but the very first time I ever went to Arkansas a young man told me, "You should'na come to Arkinsaw -- bad things happen to people here." It's several long stories, but suffice it to say he was right. Everytime I've visited your beautiful state (and it IS beautiful), something bad has happened to me. So now I avoid it like the plague. Sorry! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:32:47 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC Kakki wrote: > Do the Cheney conspiracy theorists really think he plots to make even more > money through dishonest means? What - he's going to take it all with him > when he goes? Geez. I think I read somewhere that he's planning to leave it all to the Human Rights Campaign, in honor of his lesbian daughter Mary. Lori, clearly daydreaming ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:49:25 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: little green pronunciation In Little Green, is it? Doesn't Joni pronounce. . . .. "when the northern lights *pre form. . . " I don't have it here in front of me. . .so I cannot be sure. . . but here it is 10:50 eastern time. . .and my guess is I will have an answer with 15 minutes. (Guessing is one of my hobbies) Ps. Have you noticed lately the litst getting a little more blue? Kind of perks things up a bit. Marianne >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:28:59 -0500 >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC >I agree with you on this one Bob..and many times with you Norman..but I >don't think it is regional. ..it is just wrong. > >FWIW, whenever Joni tells the "Magdalene Laundry" story, she says >'re-la-tors' instead of 'real-tors' which drives me just >as batty as someone saying 'nucular'. >Bob >NP: Tom Petty, "Call me The Breeze" 4/23/99 _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:52:26 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: recycling, NJC I don't know if anyone has responded..Catherine.. but certain denominations believe at Jesus Christ's second coming they...the believers..very important..will actually be lifted up to the heavens to meet Jesus. Pentecostals.. are a group that believes this....during Armageddon they will be spared. Then there are your Tribulists who believe..even though they believe in Jesus and all he has to offer.. they to will have to endure the last big war...the mother of all wars...along with the unbelievers. It all depends how one interprets Revelation.. the last book of the bible. Hope this helps. Bree >this is beyond stupid. This is one woman who would and >should have flunked the "Parent test". What the hell >is the "rapture" anyway? I've never understood that. > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:59:00 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: little green pronunciation No, she sings "perform." Richard NP: "Little Green" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Marianne Rizzo Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:49 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: little green pronunciation In Little Green, is it? Doesn't Joni pronounce. . . .. "when the northern lights *pre form. . . " I don't have it here in front of me. . .so I cannot be sure. . . but here it is 10:50 eastern time. . .and my guess is I will have an answer with 15 minutes. (Guessing is one of my hobbies) Ps. Have you noticed lately the litst getting a little more blue? Kind of perks things up a bit. Marianne >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:28:59 -0500 >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC >I agree with you on this one Bob..and many times with you Norman..but I >don't think it is regional. ..it is just wrong. > >FWIW, whenever Joni tells the "Magdalene Laundry" story, she says >'re-la-tors' instead of 'real-tors' which drives me just >as batty as someone saying 'nucular'. >Bob >NP: Tom Petty, "Call me The Breeze" 4/23/99 _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:00:55 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: little green pronunciation nine minutes. . . thanks Richard - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Richard Flynn" To: "Marianne Rizzo" , Subject: RE: little green pronunciation Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:59:00 -0500 No, she sings "perform." Richard NP: "Little Green" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Marianne Rizzo Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:49 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: little green pronunciation In Little Green, is it? Doesn't Joni pronounce. . . .. "when the northern lights *pre form. . . " I don't have it here in front of me. . .so I cannot be sure. . . but here it is 10:50 eastern time. . .and my guess is I will have an answer with 15 minutes. (Guessing is one of my hobbies) Ps. Have you noticed lately the litst getting a little more blue? Kind of perks things up a bit. Marianne >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:28:59 -0500 >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC >I agree with you on this one Bob..and many times with you Norman..but I >don't think it is regional. ..it is just wrong. > >FWIW, whenever Joni tells the "Magdalene Laundry" story, she says >'re-la-tors' instead of 'real-tors' which drives me just >as batty as someone saying 'nucular'. >Bob >NP: Tom Petty, "Call me The Breeze" 4/23/99 _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms  all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:10:10 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: sarah harmer and bruce cockburn NJC http://www.sarahharmer.com/ okay Ken, taking the bait....yes Ive heard of Sarah Harmer, and rather like her very much. For anyone who missed this, the above link has a few samplings of her work. She's local to the Kingston, Ontario area, east of Toronto. I know a certain Dutch Uncle who is an adored fan of Sarah Harmer's. ;-) There's a gold mine of Canadian singers/songwriters that unfortunately don't get the attention they deserve imho. Catherine McKay can attest to that and perhaps we should make a little list up of people to check out. Lots of indies struggling to make a name. .. and some are well established in certain circles up there, the summer folk festival circuit, Hugh's Room in Toronto, and so on. I used to work at a bookstore in Burlington, Ontario, and Sarah's Dad used to come in all the time to make sure we had her CDs on the shelf. (sure kept us on our toes ;-) Nice man he is. ;-) Sarah has collaborated on a number of projects with Bruce Cockburn. The song that comes to mind is "Open" which is on Bruce's newest CD "You've Never Seen Everything". and speaking of Bruce, I understand he's going to do a short tour of the UK in May-ish . If you are interested in dates and such, write me off list. Mags ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:27:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC Just a little clarification... The deferred compensation payments did not go to charities. He kept those. He "arranged" for any money made from the future sale of the stock options to go to charity (i wonder which ones?). He argues that there is no financial interest from the compensation payments because he took out an insurance policy to ensure he gets paid regardless of Halliburton's performance. There was controversy because he stated unequivocally he had no financial interest or ties to Halliburton. In his mind he doesn't, i imagine. Then the information about the stock options and deferred comp. came out. Kakki wrote: Halliburton has been a major Dept. of Defense contractor for years and that they are almost unique in their field in that there are few other companies that can provide the same level of expertise. They would exist and get big money contracts without Cheney or Bush. True. It was during Cheney's tenure as CEO that they really started seeking out and being awarded government contracts - particularly for military support overseas. They are uniquely qualified I agree (largely because of Cheney's former leadership). But that doesn't mean the public shouldn't be concerned about or wary when noncompetitive and secretive contracts are awarded to them. Kakki wrote: Isn't he worth somewhere upwards of $100 million? He's had four serious heart attacks and a stent in him. Do the Cheney conspiracy theorists really think he plots to make even more money through dishonest means? What - he's going to take it all with him when he goes? Geez. The problem is this kind of logic assumes that multi-millionaire business/ex-business people view money the same way the middle or upper-middle class do. What you want to do is try and step inside the minds of the people that move in and out of corporate and government circles - capitalists - those who pursue the accumulation of large amounts of wealth - not for the sake of personal wealth - but for what? Honestly, I don't know. Power? The Game? I'm not concerned about conspiracies. I don't think Cheney is trying to personally make a killing in Iraq (no pun intended). I am concerned about the continued blurring of the line between private and public enterprise. I'm concerned about corporate influence in government and it's effect on policy and the problems that go with turning over more and more of this kind of work to private enterprise - to companies who are not accountable to the public - who are under no obligation to divulge the way they conduct business. Is it right to profit from the war in Iraq? Is it wise for former government and military officials to launch capital ventures there? Is there an conflict of interest if high level government and military officials sit on the boards of these companies or were once CEO. Is it a problem that the good old boy network is alive and well today? Is private enterprise - the accumulation of wealth or capital - amoral? Above a standard of ethics. Okay major tangent! Sorry, these are just things I have been mulling over of late... Jenny Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:30:40 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: TLOG poll Well, okay: You Dream Flat Tires God Must be a Boogie Man The Last Time I Saw Richard Otis and Marlena Cherokee Louise Trouble Child The Dawntreader Amelia Be Cool Borderline Refuge of the Roads Biggest disappointment: For the Roses, which I liked so much when she did it on the BSN tour. >If you post your picks, I'll add them to my Excel sheet and report results >someday. But I need a bunch more responses. (I know many of you do not like >polls of this type - but if you're not one of them, it ain't that much >work). :-) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:35:36 -0600 From: Subject: RE: The King's English; Was, Bush's Faith (NJC, PC) Lori wrote: "Why is it that only lesbians and Smurph seem to have gotten this?? : D Lori" I got it: on first read. ;-) Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:40:37 -0600 From: Subject: RE: The King's English. . .was Bush's Faith NJC PC Catherine wrote: "How come you're calling yourself Vinc now?" He's "The Artist Formerly Known As Vince." He's slated for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2005. He'll perform a kickass guitar solo, steal the spotlight from the guitarist/inductee he's supposed to be honoring, and then throw his guitar down and leave the stage. Said inductee's lookalike son will really enjoy his antics, though. ;-) Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:43:16 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: recycling, NJC This reminds me ..did anyone see the Joan Baez interview on the Sunday show? I have a knew found respect and love for her. She is first class!! Such a kind person and *real. Anyway..her 90 year old mother lives with her..loves her mother.... but the thing really got my attention was that she sleeps most nights in her treehouse. And hangs in her treehouse a lot. I think the thing that makes us old is WE STOP doing the things we did as children. Now if she can only get her mother up there. Bree Spring has sprung!! >Smurf wrote: >.... there are people who are exremely anti-environment and consider >those of us who do care to be tree huggers. > Yo Bob! > > Have you ever hugged a tree? More people ought to hug trees and climb >them too. Trees give great hugs! > >Love, >Laura _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:43:40 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: david sapp Subject: Re: prince This is hysterical - can you see Joni doing a dance number a la Beyonce? ROTFLMAO. peace, david PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:50:58 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: The King's English; Was, Bush's Faith (NJC, PC) I asked, about "singing Clydesdales": > "Why is it that only lesbians and Smurph seem to have gotten this?? Mary P. responded: > I got it: on first read. ;-) Well, you are an "honorary lesbian," afterall, Ms. Mary!! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:54:10 -0600 From: Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC PC Kakki wrote: "You all want to erase the UN and Clinton history. Fine - but it's still out there recorded for years as historical fact." Kakki, I've been staying away from this political discussion, as I plan to do from most if not all of them for the foreseeable future. And I didn't read all the posts leading up to this one. In my case, though (I can't speak for Vince), I suspect that it's not so much that I would "erase" the UN and Clinton history, but that I would interpret it very differently from the way you would. As I think I've said before here, "fact," when applied to a politically-charged debate, is a loaded word, and frequently a meaningless one. And as I *know* I've said before here, one person's "fact" is often another person's spin. There was a stimulating discussion going on a couple of digests ago, perhaps in this very thread, about how people can look at the same events and come to such startlingly different conclusions. No doubt it's because we're all bringing all own predilections, preconceptions, biases, and points of view on other matters to the table. And I think we've all experienced the reality of finding some sources more reliable--or more in keeping with our own points of view--than others. Mary, now slinking back UNDER the table. ;-). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:48:24 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Tlog (Joni's last?) Yesterday Anita wrote, sadly: > When I first heard Tlog I was immensely moved by it because I just thought it > was Joni's good-bye. I hadn't even thought there would be any more music from > her. It felt like the turning of the wheel for me (I wrote some time ago > about my association with STAS,Debussy, Dawntreader and Joni in '68)- so it > never occurred to me that there would be anything else. I don't like all the > arrangements but it has an immense feel to me. I just felt it was the > culmination of so much and I couldn't/can't imagine that Joni had anywhere > else she wanted to go musically. I was just googling for some information on one of the JMDL's "Fiction" entries (visit http://www.jmdl.com/fiction/ when you have some time, and please contribute if you know of something that's missing), and found this on the NPR website (at http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/books_music/2002/dec/). It's from December 2002, and includes a 4-minute audio clip that discusses Travelogue. "Joni Mitchell has said that this record, Travelogue, will be her last. Travelogue is a retrospective of the singer and songwriters long career, performed with an orchestra and choir. Our reviewer, Jim Fusilli says there are times that the lush sound works with many of the songs, though many times the orchestrations feel out of step with the songs." Audio: http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20021226.atc.09.ram - -- Lori Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. - George Jean Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:21:11 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: NJC no PC Catherine wrote: "How come you're calling yourself Vinc now?" Mary responded: He's "The Artist Formerly Known As Vince." He's slated for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2005. He'll perform a kickass guitar solo, steal the spotlight from the guitarist/inductee he's supposed to be honoring, and then throw his guitar down and leave the stage. Said inductee's lookalike son will really enjoy his antics, though. ;-) my response: It would be a baritone ukelele performance assisted by my look alike grandson :-) Vin (losing one letter each day) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:59:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: What is reality? now Cheney and Halliburton NJC Kakki wrote: Isn't he worth somewhere upwards of $100 million? He's had four serious heart attacks and a stent in him. Do the Cheney conspiracy theorists really think he plots to make even more money through dishonest means? What - he's going to take it all with him when he goes? Geez. it's impossible to second guess what someone's motivations for making $$ are... i imagine cheney plans to live a long time in spite of his health problems... if he thought he'd be dying anytime soon i doubt he'd have committed to running for another term... he has kids & grandkids & if he's like many parents, he plans to leave them with some financial security (as well as his wife if he goes before her)... of course everyone's idea of financial security depends on the manner in which they are accustomed... can i make just one suggestion? i don't mind if people call public figures names or talk about how they look like chimps & trees (hey if kerry is a tree then we can be tree huggers!) but when it comes to name calling (however subtle or implied it may be) it is my feeling that this only serves to distract from the argument being made & fuels uneccessary discord... i am talking in this instance about the use of the term "cheney conspiracy theorists" being used in the rebuttal to randy & maybe me for jumping in... even if it was not intended for those here, we were scooped up into that group by implication... more importantly, what purpose does this serve in the debate? i may not agree with people who support this war or our administration but i really value the opportunity to hear what they have to say along with those who i may agree with more... i hope the same is true in reverse... one more related thought... a little over a year ago i remember learning lots of stuff that when added together sure felt like it could be true yet at that time was borderline conspiracy theory... today this information is being spoken by more than one administration insider as first hand information... it is dizzying in many ways... yesterday's conspiracy theories may become tomorrow's truths as more is sure to be revealed ... so let's stay away from insinuating that others we may disagree with fit into some group of conspiracy theorists & just stick to the debate itself... jenny> Is it right to profit from the war in Iraq? Is it wise for former government and military officials to launch capital ventures there? Is there an conflict of interest if high level government and military officials sit on the boards of these companies or were once CEO. Is it a problem that the good old boy network is alive and well today? Is private enterprise - the accumulation of wealth or capital - amoral? Above a standard of ethics. < these are all really important questions... i have a few more but am currently content with waiting to see how these investigations into 9/11 go... i recognize that it is a very personal issue for me with 2 family members in the service overseas, one in iraq (& others at risk if, god forbid, a draft should ever be enacted), & all this information that indicates (IMO) that this war is not only uneccessary & unjust but absolutely & thoroughly corrupt... it is hard to find words to describe how i feel towards those who stand to profit but have no personal loved ones at risk or involved... if there is an axis of evil it is within our administration... i am not one to wish anyone ill, but my prayers are for divine justice to be swift... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:14:26 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Arkinsaw, NJC Lori wrote: I would, but the very first time I ever went to Arkansas a young man told me, "You should'na come to Arkinsaw -- bad things happen to people here." It's several long stories, but suffice it to say he was right. Everytime I've visited your beautiful state (and it IS beautiful), something bad has happened to me. So now I avoid it like the plague. Hi Lori, NO!!! Just let me at that young man who put the curse of the Fouke Monster on you! You didn't go near Boggy Creek did you? Have you seen the movie The Legend of Boggy Creek? It tells what lurks in the Arkansas bayous. Really the scariest thing in Arkansas is the story of how three teenage boys were accused of what was branded as a satanic ritualistic killing of three 8 year old boys just because one of the teens was Wiccan and they listened to heavy metal rock. Duh?! Anyway, it seems the superstitious nature of the people here got the best of the courts and two of the guys are now in prison for life and one (the Wiccan) is on death row. The step father of one of the dead boys is bizarre and sounds like he might have actually done the murder. There is a movie called Paradise Lost: Revelations that is a documentary on the case. Here's a website about the case: Free the West Memphis Three Pearl Jam sometimes talks about the WM3 during their concerts. Anyway, the remedy to break the curse is for you to eat black eyed peas on New Year's Day, least that's what they say here in Arkinsaw. So, maybe next year! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:28:27 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: TLOG poll Ok so "The Dawntreader" is probably my favourite song from TLOG though "Woodstock", "The Last Time I Saw Richard" and "Amelia" are close 2nds! NP: Caught A Lite Sneeze - Tori (sounding much better than I remembered) * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: TLOG poll > Stephen T wrote: > > "Ok so this would have made a great single CD IMO (not in this particular > order); > > The Dawntreader > You Dream Flat Tyres > Woodstock > Amelia > God Must Be A Boogie Man > The Last Time I Saw Richard > For The Roses > Otis & Marlena > Cherokee Louise > Be Cool > Borderline" > > > Unfortunately, Stephen is only the 9th person who felt inclined to reply to > this poll, which asks for the 11 songs you would pick if Tlog were to be made > into a single CD (i.e.,cut the 22 songs in half). > > Isn't there any interest in which songs are currently on the list ? Which one > has the most votes ? Which one has the fewest votes ? Whether the > distribution obtained is inconsistent with random selection ? > > For example, Stephen cast the first full vote for one of the songs - but > which one ? And none of the songs is unanimous so far, but one is close. > > If you post your picks, I'll add them to my Excel sheet and report results > someday. But I need a bunch more responses. (I know many of you do not like > polls of this type - but if you're not one of them, it ain't that much work). :-) > > Bobsart ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #130 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)