From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #127 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 24 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 127 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Tlog [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder)] Re: Rough weekend, njc [colin ] Re: Methodists njc [colin ] recycling njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Bugs within the JMDL site, now The Waifs NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Iraq, NJC - Iraq? No, peanuts! [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: Bugs within the JMDL site, now The Waifs NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: recycling, NJC [Lori Fye ] anti recycling mohter njc [colin ] Re: recycling, NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: NJC - Recycling (was Re: Iraq, NJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: no peanuts njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: NJC - Recycling now Compost [Lori Fye ] no peanuts njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC [Lori Fye ] RE: NJC - Recycling now Compost ["Bree Mcdonough" ] prince [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: recycling, NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Bugs within the JMDL site NJC now ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: I don't want a pickle, NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Methodists njc [Randy Remote ] Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: prince [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC ["mackoliver" ] Re: recycling, NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: prince [Randy Remote ] Re: recycling, NJC [colin ] Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC [Lori Fye ] Re: prince [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC [hell@ihug.co.nz] Subject: Re: Jack Vettriano/South Bank Show ["Lucy Hone" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Re: Tlog Bobsart wrote: "My point being that Joni's more recent works (BSN and T, and to some extent TTT) may require an older soul and slower heart and body to appreciate and ultimately warm up to. Sort of the growing older gracefully concept, and creating her art from within herself (and our accepting that). Joni may have done that here better than I initially realised." When I first heard Tlog I was immensely moved by it because I just thought it was Joni's good-bye. I hadn't even thought there would be any more music from her. It felt like the turning of the wheel for me (I wrote some time ago about my association with STAS,Debussy, Dawntreader and Joni in '68)- so it never occurred to me that there would be anything else. I don't like all the arrangements but it has an immense feel to me. I just felt it was the culmination of so much and I couldn't/can't imagine that Joni had anywhere else she wanted to go musically. Yours sadly Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:27:06 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Rough weekend, njc Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >Yo. Someone stole my car over the weekend. That was shock enough but out >of the 15 people I work with, exactly one offered to help with rides. >Believe it or not, that lack of support was more of a shock than the theft. > >All the best, > >Jim > > > loosing your car is dreadful cars are life lines. not shocked about your workmates tho. unfortunately, people are like that.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:29:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Methodists njc Les Irvin wrote: > >Anyway, he used to say two things about religion that have stuck with me all >these years: > >"Religion is the worst thing that's ever happened to Jesus Christ." > >and... > >"Religion is like Noah's Ark - if it weren't for the terrible storm going on >outside, no one would be able to stand the smell inside." > > > Your father sounds like a wise man..... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:13:55 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: recycling njc This was terrific Laura!. . . . you too Bree (with your disclosures. . . : -) XO Marianne >>..in fact I don't recycle. There ..I said it!! >Step one: We admitted we were powerless over recycling -- that our trash >had become unmanageable. >>But I respect her tremendously.. so I try hard to think about putting >>things in proper recycling boxes. >Step two: Came to believe that a Recycler greater than ourselves could >lead us to recycling. >>And she checks after me to make sure I'm not throwing away anything in the >>garbage that should have gone in the recycle bins. >Step three: Made a decision to turn our trash and our recyclables over to >the care of the Almighty Recycler as we understood Her. >>Oh..it goes on..not wasting food...buying items that use recycled >>material. >Step four: Made a searching and fearless inventory of our practices of >wasting and recycling. >>Do I feel she is a little over the top sometimes? Yeah..but it is >>important to her..so I do my best. >Step five: Admitted to ourselves and to the Joni list the exact nature of >our attitude toward the Recycler. >>BUT..I have stuck to my guns when it comes to peanut butter. I'm a Jif >>kind of girl and I WILL not eat that healthy stuff that does not have >>sugar added to it. This is where I have drawn the line! >Step six: Were entirely ready to have the Recycler remove all these >defects of unhealthy living except when to do so would take away our peanut >butter. >>Yes..spring has arrived.. >Step seven: Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious >awareness of the environment as we understood it. >>a good day to all.. >Step eight: Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, >we tried to carry this message to other potential recyclers and to >practice recycling of all our trash. >Love, >Laura _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. https://broadband.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:18:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bugs within the JMDL site, now The Waifs NJC "Finally, I'm obsessed with this band from Australia, The Waifs. Anyone heard them? Great stuff." I've read great stuff about them but haven't heard anything yet, Les. What are they like? What do you like about them? I did pick up that new Vines CD yesterday, and it's a good garage rocker, and that Nellie McKay, "Get Away From Me" is fabulous, so varied and funny and catchy. Best thing I've heard this year thus far. I also got "Dirty Pretty Things" which came out on DVD yesterday. Thanks for speaking out on this Stepehen Frears film, Azeem - it was awesome and I wasn't expecting the brilliant twist at the end. Bob NP: The Shins, "Those To Come" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:14:20 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Iraq, NJC - Iraq? No, peanuts! Debi wrote: Oh I love the natural peanut butter too. It is funny when they say Choosy mothers Chose jif. Besides sugar it has patially hydrogenated oil which is not good for you. Choosy mothers give their children healthy food and let them make up their own minds when they are old enough to make those kinds of decisions. Teach your children well! Hi Debi! As a choosy mother I choose Peter Pan, the creamy stuff that is fortified with vitamins and minerals, for my children. I like the natural stuff, just peanuts ground semi-crunchy, but they won't eat it. However, I recently read that peanut oil is not good for thyroid function... coconut oil is. Looks like macaroons will be replacing the peanut butter on toast for me. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:30:14 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Bugs within the JMDL site, now The Waifs NJC I saw the Waifs when they opened for Bob Dylan in Charleston about a year ago and bought their CD. I thought they were really wonderful live. I thought the CD good, but a little less wonderful. They have other CDs in Australia, but only one released in the States--unless I'm mistaken about that. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:19 AM To: ljirvin@jmdl.com; joni@smoe.org Cc: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Bugs within the JMDL site, now The Waifs NJC "Finally, I'm obsessed with this band from Australia, The Waifs. Anyone heard them? Great stuff." I've read great stuff about them but haven't heard anything yet, Les. What are they like? What do you like about them? I did pick up that new Vines CD yesterday, and it's a good garage rocker, and that Nellie McKay, "Get Away From Me" is fabulous, so varied and funny and catchy. Best thing I've heard this year thus far. I also got "Dirty Pretty Things" which came out on DVD yesterday. Thanks for speaking out on this Stepehen Frears film, Azeem - it was awesome and I wasn't expecting the brilliant twist at the end. Bob NP: The Shins, "Those To Come" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:06:49 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: Bugs within the JMDL site Oh my. Didn't know you were moving. Just checked out The Waifs home site and listen to some of the sound bites. Had never heard of them before. Quite liked their newer stuff like Lighthouse. Sounds a bit like Eddie Briklin. I'm a little discouraged lately. I've sent a few posts mentioning Sarah Harmer. Either no one likes her or know one knows her. Not a peep from the list. She's has obviously listened to Joni as is evident in songs like Pendulum (the lyrics) and Dandelions in Bullet Holes (the open e tuning). And the sweetest voice. Think I'm in love. Don't tell my old lady. Really surprised no one has anything to say about her. Ken Les Irvin wrote: > >Yes, there are bugs aplenty in the JMDL site these days. > >Finally, I'm obsessed with this band from Australia, The Waifs. Anyone >heard them? Great stuff. > >Les... off to lurkdom once more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:35:13 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: recycling, NJC Debi wrote: > I have to respond here. I think this is terrible and am horrified that > people actually feel this way. Anyone not caring about the earth probably > does not have children. Recycling is such a key factor here in reducing > waste, hence keeping our planet alive. > We did not inherit this earth from our Grandparents, but are borrowing it > from our children.. The *Circle Game* continues.... I agree, and that was the most disturbing thing to me: that this woman HAS children, and that she was trying to override the recycling lessons they were learning in grade school. This was occurring in 1992 -- I wonder how they all think now? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:28:21 +0000 From: colin Subject: anti recycling mohter njc Lori-I dleted your post before I answered. You wondered, more or less, what those children would now be thinking. I could give a hint. They are likely to be troubled. Possibly in a way not immediately obvious. Or their trouble could be very obvious. Children see their parents as 'god', when very young. what their parents say and do is good and jsut and right. How coudl ti be any other way? For a child to think anything else wouldbe far too threatening for a child. If a young child knew their parent was perhaps a liar, untrustwaorthy, mean or whatever, it would be intolerable. Thus children who are abosued in whatever way, tend to think they are being 'justly punished by a good parent' rahter than 'unjustly punished by a bad parent'. They cannot afford to think any other way. The trouble with forcing our beliefs upon our is that we make it very difficult, and sometimes impossible, for them to think for themselves. Even when grown, many people cannot accpet that their good parents were wrong or abusive in awya. so they continue to self hate and deny. thus they then pass this on to their own children, if they have them, and spend the rest of their lives in anguish. It is an extremely difficult and painful thing for oofspring to eventually see their parents as human and fallible. the more rigid the upbringing, the more abusive, the more diffiuclt it will be to shake off the shckles. Some never will. When we indoctrinate children ina belif system, such as religion, we do them a great harm. This can be impossible to undo(look at religous fundies and what it does-like in the middle east-not surprising we have suicide bombers and peoples who cannot see others as human and treat them as badly as they once were). What we teach children is of vital importance. It is wrong to force our ideas upon them. They trust us and believe us and to do this is an abuse of their innocence. Whilst one cannot make laws to stop parents invovling children in relgion and religious practice, we can make sure that schools are free of it and are all secular. Tiem enough when children are no longer children for them to then make up their mind and join a religion if they choose. Indoctrinating children, even lightly, is an abuse of our power over them. Children need to be nuetered and taught to express who they are and allowed to develop their natures and abilites for their own good. We have no right to mould them into what we want them to be. Children are not ours for that purpose. They are not ours to control and make into what we wnat. they are for us to help grow and flourish and rwach their potential, whatever that may be. We have no right to expect of them. Pushing our hopes and drewams and aspirations upon(like pushing them to be a lawyer or doctor or whatever) is cruel and damaging. We also need to stop seeing children as monsters that need to be controlled and tamed. We need to stop crushing their spirit and let heir spirit flourish. If we truly loved children and nurtured them and saw them as whole and deserving as they are, we would have childrne who grew up loving themsleves and thus others, who respected themselves and thus others, who were at peace with themselves and thus others. Such people will not join terror groups, will not bleed the poor dry,will care for our planet, and will care eachother. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:56:55 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: recycling, NJC Debi writes: << Anyone not caring about the earth probably does not have children. >> Don't assume that people without children don't care about them or about the future. I recycle everything I can, yet I know people with children and grandchildren who do not. I have even mentioned the "borrowing the earth from our children" quotation to them, but it doesn't make them change. For some very strange reason, there are people who are exremely anti-environment and consider those of us who do care to be tree huggers. I don't understand it because it is often just as easy to throw something into a recycling bin as it is to trash it. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:40:17 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC - Recycling (was Re: Iraq, NJC) Good then.. I;ll blame it on the Buckeye state. But seriously..I do try to be more aware of landfills..and make efforts not to be so wasteful. Plus moving to New York soon..and with a particular individual who is a major recycler. Oh..I forgot about the compost pile...I must remember this mound of guck. Any words of wisdom about the compost pile? Laura? Lori? Colin? Bree >Bree admitted: > > > in fact I don't recycle. > >This seems to be a problem with people who live in Ohio. > >Lori, >whose family still lives there, almost none of whom (save for one wise >aunt) >recycle either _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:56:02 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: no peanuts njc >Hmm. I love the natural peanut butter, especially the >crunchy kind. Nothing but peanuts all ground up. You >can really taste the peanuts, it's got lots of fibre >and you get to stir the oil around into it so you can >really SEE just how much grease is going into your >belly. Mmmm, getting hungry now. Want peanut butter on >a toasted Montreal bagel. >===== >Catherine Toronto That's it Catherine, We can at least *encourage her (Bree, the "Jif kind of girl.") to eat the good stuff. . . yumm. . . that IS the good stuff. Maybe I should start caLLING HER "Jif ." _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:57:33 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC >; ) > >Lori, >wondering if GWB will spell it "nucular" in his memoirs Yeah....you think Laura being a former school teacher would tell him... it's this way honey... Letterman did a thing on his mispronunciation of nuclear recently. They spliced together maybe fifty times him saying "nucular" It was a riot. I remember Jimmy Carter having a problem with this word too. Bree _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:05:44 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: no peanuts njc << Maybe I should start caLLING HER "Jif ." >> And you can be the choosy mother who chose Jif! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:09:48 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: NJC - Recycling now Compost > Any words of wisdom about the compost pile? Laura? Lori? Colin? Turn the compost pile every now and again; a pitch fork works best for me. You can elevate the pile if you wish, but I just throw mine on the ground and turn it frequently. Add grass and other yard clippings -- they heat up quickly, which is something you want. Add coffee grounds; Starbucks is giving away bags of them at their stores right now. Add vegetable and fruit peels and "waste." Do NOT add anything that is an animal byproduct, except DO add egg shells which are great but should be rinsed prior to adding to the pile. Add earthworms if you don't see enough of them -- it's the worms that really do the work. Whenever I see one in the yard, I gently pick it up and move it to my compost pile, where it is presumably happier. You can buy worms, too. If your compost pile smells bad (like rotten meat), there's something in it that doesn't belong. It should smell like decomposing vegetable/fruit matter, and it should actually smell kinda good. It's good to have two different piles going at once: one for this year's garden, and one for the following year. There are probably a million pages of information on composting on the internet, and I'll bet Marianne always knows most of it! Happy fertilizing, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:12:25 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: no peanuts njc >From: Smurfycopy@aol.com << Maybe I should start caLLING HER "Jif ." >> >And you can be the choosy mother who chose Jif! >Smurf yeah, . . .more like: the choosy lover who chose Jif! (and I am choosy) That fits. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:14:34 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC > Yeah....you think Laura being a former school teacher would tell him... > it's this way honey... Yes, you would think Laura would have corrected him by now. Makes me wonder if the two of them actually communicate. What's funny (and sad) to me is that there are so many people who get all pissy about immigrants "not learning English" or speaking it incorrectly, yet most of those a**holes support Bush, who stands in front of the world saying "nucular" again and again. I've actually heard people DEFEND that. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:15:18 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC - Recycling now Compost >Do NOT add anything that is an animal byproduct, except DO add egg shells >which >are great but should be rinsed prior to adding to the pile. SO no decomposing bodies? Just kidding. Thanks for taking the time to list all this. Very nice!! May your pile do nothing but flourish. Bree >It's good to have two different piles going at once: one for this year's >garden, and one for the following year. > >There are probably a million pages of information on composting on the >internet, >and I'll bet Marianne always knows most of it! > >Happy fertilizing, >Lori _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms  all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:19:40 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: NJC - Recycling now Compost > May your pile do nothing but flourish. Thank you, Bree! I wrote: > There are probably a million pages of information on composting on the > internet, and I'll bet Marianne always knows most of it! Of course what I meant to write was, "and I'll bet Marianne ALREADY knows most of it!" Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:37:00 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: prince From an article at: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/03/23/can_prince_regain_ his_throne/ His influences included James Brown, Jackie Wilson, George Clinton, Jimi Hendrix, and Joni Mitchell. An expressive, versatile singer and virtuoso guitarist, Prince churned out hit song after hit song, hot album after hot album. From 1980 to 1990, he put out an astonishing 10 albums, including such classics as "Dirty Mind," "1999," "Purple Rain," and "Sign `O' the Times," plus the much-bootlegged "Black Album." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:39:43 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: recycling, NJC >I don't understand it because it is often just as easy to throw something >into a recycling bin as it is to trash >it. I see what you wrote here..but then there were items that I put in the bins that were not recyclable. Like caps..and styrofoam..little plastic pieces...some of the stuff..I just didn't know. I'm still confused about egg cartons. But thank god the recycle queen was right on my tail. Bree >--Smurf _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page  FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:41:18 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Bugs within the JMDL site NJC now Hey Les, just a shout out to say thank you for all you do for all of us! Sorry to hear about the server problems... Love your dad's quote (& boyohboy do I hear a song in that story of your Dad going town to town!) & will check out the Waifs (haven't heard of them so thanks for the heads up!) Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:42:37 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Lori said: > > Yeah....you think Laura being a former school teacher would tell him... > > it's this way honey... > > Yes, you would think Laura would have corrected him by now. Makes me wonder if > the two of them actually communicate. > > What's funny (and sad) to me is that there are so many people who get all pissy > about immigrants "not learning English" or speaking it incorrectly, yet most of > those a**holes support Bush, who stands in front of the world saying "nucular" > again and again. I've actually heard people DEFEND that. I find it amazing that tolerant, progressive fans of diversity will take an individual down for a regional accent. Wouldn't it be REALLY cool if we ALL had an Oxbridge elocution? Nah...it wouldn't. Love ya Lori, but I couldn't resist. bp...an asshole who supports and will VOTE for Bush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:43:41 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Rough weekend, njc That is rough Jim, I am sorry this happened... Glad at least one person offered to help you, people can be dissappointing for sure, sometimes that can be enough, one good friend... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:01:42 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC buckpennington@yucca.net writes: << I find it amazing that tolerant, progressive fans of diversity will take an individual down for a regional accent. >> Lori said nothing about regional accents. She criticised W for consistantly saying "nucular," which is not a word at all and is not used by any Texans I know. It's just ignorant word usage, much like "irregardless." And this is just one example of W's lack of respect for anything, including the English language. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:11:28 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC I agree with you on this one Bob..and many times with you Norman..but I don't think it is regional. ..it is just wrong. I have an aunt who supports Bush..really likes him.. who just cringes when he says NUCULAR.(her face gets all funny) SHe wonders like I do why doesn't someone correct him. Bree >buckpennington@yucca.net writes: > ><< I find it amazing that tolerant, progressive fans of diversity will take >an > >individual down for a regional accent. >> > >Lori said nothing about regional accents. She criticised W for consistantly >saying "nucular," which is not a word at all and is not used by any Texans >I >know. It's just ignorant word usage, much like "irregardless." And this is >just >one example of W's lack of respect for anything, including the English >language. > >--Smurf _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:26:56 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: prince njc Prince is a hero, by the way - at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction, he joined Tom Petty, Jeff Lynne, Dhani Harrison, to play an astounding guitar on While My Guitar Gently Weeps - was an amzing tribute Vince >From an article at: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/03/23/can_prince_regain_ his_throne/ His influences included James Brown, Jackie Wilson, George Clinton, Jimi Hendrix, and Joni Mitchell. An expressive, versatile singer and virtuoso guitarist, Prince churned out hit song after hit song, hot album after hot album. From 1980 to 1990, he put out an astonishing 10 albums, including such classics as "Dirty Mind," "1999," "Purple Rain," and "Sign `O' the Times," plus the much-bootlegged "Black Album." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:29:11 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: I don't want a pickle, NJC Count me as one more avid Arlo fan. He is an American treasure. I saw him a couple of years ago, performing with his son Abe. He did the entire long version-updated and embellished now-of Alices Restaurant. Catch him if you get a chance. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:30:50 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Methodists njc Les Irvin wrote: > My father was a Methodist minister > Anyway, he used to say > "Religion is like Noah's Ark - if it weren't for the terrible storm going on > outside, no one would be able to stand the smell inside." Great line! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:28:59 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC FWIW, whenever Joni tells the "Magdalene Laundry" story, she says 're-la-tors' instead of 'real-tors' which drives me just as batty as someone saying 'nucular'. Bob NP: Tom Petty, "Call me The Breeze" 4/23/99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:32:57 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: prince He references Joni in a couple of songs, thanks her in liner notes on his earlier records, and has performed "A Case of You" (he of course calls it "A Case of U") live, and also has recorded a breathtakingly gorgeous acoustic piano version of it in the studio. It was included on my first "Sweet 16" which highlighted some of the best covers I had heard. He also wrote a song for Joni to record, but it was not something she was comfortable with. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:33:16 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Not regional. No one else down here says it that way. We laugh at him when he says it too. Well, that isn't quite true. Many of us are embarrassed that this president is from Texas and hard for us to stomach that the rest of the world will judge us by his idiocy. mack np: gloria estefan-cuts both ways > >an > > > >individual down for a regional accent. >> > > > >Lori said nothing about regional accents. She criticised W for consistantly > >saying "nucular," which is not a word at all and is not used by any Texans > >I > >know. It's just ignorant word usage, much like "irregardless." And this is > >just > >one example of W's lack of respect for anything, including the English > >language. > > > >--Smurf > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! > (Limited-time offer) > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:35:05 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Buck wrote: > I find it amazing that tolerant, progressive fans of diversity will take an > individual down for a regional accent. First: THERE you are, Buck! I've been wondering ... Second: I lived in Texas for 12 years, and I don't recall "nuclear" being pronounced as "nucular" (or "nuke-u-ler" for the phoentically inclined) by anyone but the ignorant (to put it nicely). Third: I love you too, Buck! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:37:44 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Bree wrote: > I agree with you on this one Bob.. And that means you also agree with me, Bree. I must write down this date somewhere ... it has to be the first time you and I have agreed on anything!! ; ) Lori, who thinks Marianne is a GOOD influence on Bree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:36:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: anti recycling mohter njc Good words of wisdom, colin. Reminds me of Gibran's bit from The Prophet-'your children are not your children...you are the bow and they are the arrows'...etc colin wrote: > Children need to be nuetered and taught to express who they > are I only hope you meant nurtured and not neutered!...although sometimes...oh never mind RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:38:34 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: recycling, NJC Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > For some very > strange reason, there are people who are exremely anti-environment and consider > those of us who do care to be tree huggers. Isn't it weird how they say 'tree huggers' like it's a bad thing? These airheads need to hug a tree, and thank them for being the lungs of the earth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:41:51 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: prince SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > He also wrote a song for Joni to record, but it was not > something she was comfortable with. Do we know what the song was? Has he-or anyone else- recorded it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:43:07 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: recycling, NJC Randy Remote wrote: > > >Isn't it weird how they say 'tree huggers' like it's a bad thing? These >airheads need to hug a tree, and thank them for being the lungs of >the earth. > > > mmmm.....and I have often wonderd why 'bleeding heart liberal' is an insult...... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:45:01 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC > FWIW, whenever Joni tells the "Magdalene Laundry" story, she > says 're-la-tors' instead of 'real-tors' which drives me just > as batty as someone saying 'nucular'. Thank goodness Joni can't run for U.S. president!! Lori, kidding and wishing Joni could ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:46:43 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: anti recycling mohter njc Good points, Colin -- all of them. Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:52:32 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: prince I vaguely recall that she mentions the title in the interview, it had a typical title like "rock your rump" or some such. I don't know that anybody else has recorded it or if the purple one himself has. His recordings over the last decade have been hard to keep track of and he's had lots of stuff that he's only released online to his NPG members. Bob, thinking that a Joni recording called 'rock your rump' could make me forget all about Travelogue LOL! NP: Tom Petty, "Last Dance w/Mary Jane" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:52:34 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC >Bree wrote: > > > I agree with you on this one Bob.. > >And that means you also agree with me, Bree. I must write down this date >somewhere ... it has to be the first time you and I have agreed on >anything!! >; ) > >Lori, >who thinks Marianne is a GOOD influence on Bree And yet another thing...no disagreement here. Twice today! Bree _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms  all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:06:47 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC buckpennington@yucca.net writes: << I find it amazing that tolerant, progressive fans of diversity will take an individual down for a regional accent. >> I also have no idea WHAT this is supposed to mean. I know no "tolerant, progressive fans of diversity (who) will take an individual down for a regional accent." Despite being a "tolerant, progressive fans of diversity," it drives me bonkers when Hollywood uses Southern accents in movie and TV characters as a shortcut to indicate the characters' ignorance or stupidity or cruelty. Some of the kindest people I have ever met are from the American South -- with one exception, of course! -- and most great American writers, IMO, are from below the Mason Dixon line. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:12:14 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC I'll have to take back what I said ... here is a Slate article that says that Merriam-Webster includes "nucular" as an alternate pronunciation: http://slate.msn.com/id/2071155/ And here's another take on why Bush might pronounce "nuclear" the way he does: http://www-csli.stanford.edu/~nunberg/nucular.html Lori, voting for Kerry, "irregardless" ; D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:13:19 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: prince -- NJC, but Bonnie content! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > He also wrote a song for Joni to record, but it was not > something she was comfortable with. >> He also recorded some things with Bonnie Raitt at the absolute nadir or her career, just before she hooked up with Don Was. They're in the can somewhere, in Prince's possession. (This is according to a Bonnie bio I read during my hiatus from the list.) - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:24:01 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Smurf wrote: > I know no "tolerant, progressive fans of diversity (who) will take an > individual down for a regional accent." I'm not sure if this qualifies, but I did make the statement here (on the JMDL) that I didn't think I could stand to listen to John Edwards talk for four years of a presidency (although I think he would make a fine VP candidate). > Some of the kindest people I have ever met are from the American South -- > with one exception, of course! Are you picking on Jimmy AGAIN??? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:27:43 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC I wrote to Smurf: > Are you picking on Jimmy AGAIN??? Because I thought maybe he's jealous of Jimmy, who sung like a Clydesdale ... But then I realized I'd forgotten about the Bob v. Bob thing! Lori, slightly embarrassed (but only a wee bit) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:57:04 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Lori writes: << Are you picking on Jimmy AGAIN??? >> No, never! But go a little farther north . . . - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:59:53 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Lori writes: << I thought maybe he's jealous of Jimmy, who sung like a Clydesdale ... >> Why should I be jealous? I sung like a nightingale. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:05:08 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC > I sung like a nightingale. Like a night in Gale? Gale Harold? ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:31:34 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: prince -- NJC, but Bonnie content! Jackson Browne, R&R HOF inductee, gave praise to Bonnie Raitt during his speech. Can anyone tell I watched that show like 5 times already? Vince SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > He also wrote a song for Joni to record, but it was not > something she was comfortable with. >> He also recorded some things with Bonnie Raitt at the absolute nadir or her career, just before she hooked up with Don Was. They're in the can somewhere, in Prince's possession. (This is according to a Bonnie bio I read during my hiatus from the list.) - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:18:29 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: prince I think it had a daft title like "Love Pump"! NP: Work Song - Nina Simone * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: prince > SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > He also wrote a song for Joni to record, but it was not > > something she was comfortable with. > > Do we know what the song was? Has he-or anyone else- > recorded it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:32:42 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Lori fired up the browser, googled "nucular" and gave us the following: > I'll have to take back what I said ... here is a Slate article that says that > Merriam-Webster includes "nucular" as an alternate pronunciation: > > http://slate.msn.com/id/2071155/ > > And here's another take on why Bush might pronounce "nuclear" the way he does: > http://www-csli.stanford.edu/~nunberg/nucular.html > > Lori, > voting for Kerry, "irregardless" ; D First: Wy-ah... ThenkYew, May'ahm! I've encountered many, many "new" terms and ways of expressing one's self during my nearly 18 month sojurn here in eastern NM/West TX. My girlfriend, who was raised and ranched here for over 50 years before mutating into a CPA, CONSTANTLY raises my eyebrows with terms like "the Ford house" (instead of Ford dealer), "supper" vs. dinner, "outdoors" instead of outside, and numerous others. She pulls my chain mercilessly for my "Yankee" language (and some of my "Yankee" thoughts, too)...which is odd, because I was born in Georgia. But...I love this good ol' gal to death because she is literally "politically correct" like 99% of her clients and associates: she, too, will vote for Dubya. Second: In another post you said "There you are!!", Lori. Been here all along, just exercising restraint and repeating my "I can't change the way they think" mantra...over and over. Best Regards, bp np: The 9/11 Commission. Armitage is almost as good as Rummy! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:43:44 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The King's English... NJC PC Buck offered: > My girlfriend, who was raised and ranched here for over 50 years before > mutating into a CPA, CONSTANTLY raises my eyebrows with terms like "the Ford > house" (instead of Ford dealer), "supper" vs. dinner, "outdoors" instead of > outside, and numerous others. Oh dear ... I'v always said "supper" and not dinner. In my family, "dinner" is a formal occasion. In parts of Ohio and PA, we "read up" the house, which is to pick up the clutter. Probably in my family only, a green bell pepper is a "mango" and a blowjob is a "hooter." I have no idea why. In San Antonio you'll often hear the term "ice house" when a native is referring to a convenience store (like a 7-11 or somesuch). I'm sure this is left over from the days when you went to an actual ice house to buy ice to keep the food in your ice box chilled, but sometimes you'll even see a store (which usually includes a bar) that says "ice house" on its sign. Lori, still having trouble with nucular ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:46:51 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Lori wrote: > I'll have to take back what I said ... here is a > Slate article that says that Merriam-Webster > includes "nucular" as an alternate pronunciation: > > http://slate.msn.com/id/2071155/ I still don't buy it. The article says Merriam-Webster got a lot of negative comments for including the "nucular" pronounciation in their dictionary, and justified it by saying that lots of prominent people said it that way! It reminds me of my mother saying "If your friends wanted to jump off a bridge, does that mean you'd have to as well?" Just because lots of people do something, doesn't make it right ;o)! > And here's another take on why Bush might pronounce > "nuclear" the way he does: > http://www-csli.stanford.edu/~nunberg/nucular.html A more compelling reason against "nucular" - Homer Simpson also says it that way! He also says "saxamaphone" - which I actually do think is kind of cool! In NZ right now, we're running "New Zealand Idol" (kind of embarassing, compared to the US and Australian versions, because we've only got about two contestants who can actually hold a note occasionally - but I digress....) Anyway, the presenter has been getting a lot of flak about his pronounciation, particularly of the words perform and performance, which he insists in pronouncing "preform" and "preformance". But having watched the show several times (I'm a glutton for punishment) I suspect it's more of a speech "defect" making the word SOUND like preform, rather than ignorance. I'm not sure the same could be said for Bush.... Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:28:00 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Subject: Re: Jack Vettriano/South Bank Show Jenny, if you like Jack Vettriano you may well like Edward Hopper of whom Vettriano is derivative. I loved Hopper from an exhibition Iwent to see in 1981 at the Portland Gallery (I think) and I have a collection of his posters. There is something airless and brooding I like in his work and there are some very very dark and ambiguous paintings by Vettriano that echo Hopper. They are less commercially "acceptable" as they are semi erotic. Most people like "dance to the music of time" (the couple on the beach, dancing) .it is a wonderful colour palette Just popping in to the list as I have had a terrible attack of a VIRUS called NETSKY.P@MM and its awful. Get your Nortons or McAfee running NOW... scan everything and you should be oK. My poor address book has been raided, my inbox violated and if any of you have had mail from me off list.. it is a hoax.... Oh Lama, sorry to see about your car being stolen. I hope your insurance pays up. Got to go Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:25:31 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: The King's English...was Bush's faith NJC PC Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: >Lori writes: > ><< I thought maybe he's jealous of Jimmy, who sung like a Clydesdale ... >> > >Why should I be jealous? I sung like a nightingale. > >--Smurf > > > shouldn't it be sang? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:39:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bugs within the JMDL site - now Sarah Harmer njc --- Ken wrote: > I'm a little discouraged lately. I've sent a few > posts mentioning Sarah > Harmer. Either no one likes her or know one knows > her. > Not a peep from the list. She's has obviously > listened to Joni as is > evident in songs like Pendulum (the lyrics) and > Dandelions > in Bullet Holes (the open e tuning). And the > sweetest voice. Think I'm > in love. Don't tell my old lady. > Really surprised no one has anything to say about > her. Aww, quit yer whinin' willya? I've heard OF her and have heard some of her stuff, but I guess none of it grabbed me enough. Still, am willing to give her another listen, if for no other reasons than she's Canadian (YAY!!!) and she has the same first name as my daughter. I'm sure others have mentioned her here, but then again, I have a blinding headache and am seeing double today or something. P.S. Your secret is safe with us. We won't tell the old lady.... or will we? heh-heh-heh. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: recycling, NJC --- Lori Fye wrote: > Debi wrote: > > > I have to respond here. I think this is terrible > and am horrified that > > people actually feel this way. Anyone not caring > about the earth probably > > does not have children. Recycling is such a key > factor here in reducing > > waste, hence keeping our planet alive. > > We did not inherit this earth from our > Grandparents, but are borrowing it > > from our children.. The *Circle Game* > continues.... > > I agree, and that was the most disturbing thing to > me: that this woman HAS > children, and that she was trying to override the > recycling lessons they were > learning in grade school. This was occurring in > 1992 -- I wonder how they all > think now? > this is beyond stupid. This is one woman who would and should have flunked the "Parent test". What the hell is the "rapture" anyway? I've never understood that. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #127 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)