From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #125 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 23 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 125 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #81 [Melissa ] packaging njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] truth njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Fw: Travelogue Update (for aol, non-mac users) [Emiliano ] Re: Methodists njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re:Travelogue Update [Bobsart48@aol.com] [none] [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: 1/2 T [Bobsart48@aol.com] headline njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Was: No Subject, Now: Arthur Feidler -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: truth njc ["anon anon" ] Re: Iraq, NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] LOGO contest 2004 ["Donna Binkley" ] Re:Bugs within the JMDL site [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: 1/2 T ["amelio747" ] Gay non rights NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements [Catherine McKay ] Re:Bugs within the JMDL site [Catherine McKay ] Re: recycling, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: I don't want a pickle, njc [Lori Fye ] Re: tv njc now PACKAGING [Lori Fye ] christian debt relievers - we can help (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC [Lori Fye ] Re: recycling, NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: Iraq, NJC [colin ] Re: recycling, NJC [colin ] Re: I don't want a pickle, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: I don't want a pickle, NJC [Scott Price ] Re: Iraq, NJC - Iraq? No, peanuts! [Catherine McKay ] Re: I don't want a pickle, NJC [Deb ] Re: Iraq, NJC - Iraq? No, peanuts! [Deb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:17:00 +1100 From: Melissa Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #81 Just checked out the links, and there is also a painting titled 3The Arrangement2. Clearly a fan! From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:00:08 -0500 (EST) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #81 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Jack Vettriano/South Bank Show That's so funny - just this past week I found a print by this artist (who I had not heard of before) and we used it as inspiration for decorating the bedroom in the house we just bought. here are links where you can view the paintings mentioned in the show - also found some new joni-inspired works: sweet bird of youth and the arrangement. jenny edith and the kingpin: http://www.vettriano-art.com/exhibition4.html shades of scarlet and sweet bird of youth: http://www.vettriano-art.com/exhibition4.html the arrangement http://www.vettriano-art.com/exhibition2.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:57:15 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: packaging njc Yeah, I always think about the packaging. . . even simple things like gum, and lifesavers.. . Like, when I go to the store I shop for bargains, but at the top of my list is shopping for things that use the least amount of packaging. I think abou landfills, landfills, landfills. . . . We have a recycling program in Rochester. . . I like it. The way to think about it is, "Reduce, reuse, recycle." *In that order. (a common slogan) First, *reduce what you use (choose wisely). Then, try to *reuse it in some way. and, if you cannot reuse it. . then *recycle it. I'm at work, thinking about these things here, before 7 in the morning. Good Morning JMDL'ers. Spring is coming! LOve Marianne >>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:02:42 -0500 (EST) >>From: Catherine McKay >>Subject: Re: tv njc now PACKAGING - --- colin wrote: > >Speaking of challenging, waht the hell has happened >to packaging? EVERYTHING from broccoli to cheese to meat is >packaged. But not just wrapped. oh no. they are hermetically sealed and are >impossible to open by mere mortals. By the time I have managed to ge >anything open it has either gone off or my appetite has. Even trying to >open a pack of coffee is a trial of endurance and patience. Half of it >ends up all over the place. Oh and those 'resealable' bags. Just how do >you reseal a bag you had to shred to get at it's contents? Catherine: >>Colin, you're a man after my own heart. I am >>CONSTANTLY bitching about packaging. _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:03:03 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: truth njc That's the thing, the older I get (now 44), the harder it is to know what the truth is. . . Maybe it's me. . or "maybe it's the time of man." {human} "The truth is dense and shaded . . . A living forest." "In search of truth. . . . my whole life long." Marianne >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:27:59 -0800 >From: "Kate Bennett" >Subject: (NJC) White House Rebuttal to Clarke Interview >Then this: >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14923-2004Mar22.html >Washington, D.C.: What do you make of Condoleezza Rice's op-ed piece? It >really appears to deny Mr. Clarke's story completely. Either she wasn't >there or he wasn't there! _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar  FREE! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:05:09 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Travelogue Update (for aol, non-mac users) Hi! I was sound asleep! ;-) Entire Wally's post is below: Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano Wally says: one thing's sure: all the people that i have been trying to turn on to joni for the last 30 years and i could never persuade to listen to more than 30 seconds of her old material have COMPLETELY fallen for t'log. i play the original versions, i compare the piano parts with the new orchestral arrangements, i offer them money -- no matter what i do, they still prefer the t'log versions. how in the name of every deity in heaven and in the nether regions can this happen?????? wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:05:59 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: question for german listers njc (for aol, non-mac users) Wally says: i need to ask a question about a word in german. will some kind german-speaking lister write me off list PLEASE? (are there any german-speaking list members? i should have asked that question first, i think...) wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:06:34 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: God njc Wally says: oh, so they were talking about YOU! wally, hellbound > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: hell@ihug.co.nz [mailto:hell@ihug.co.nz] > > Enviado el: Lunes, 22 de Marzo de 2004 07:56 p.m. > > Para: Wally Kairuz; Kate Bennett; 'ron'; joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: RE: God njc > > > > > > Wally wrote: > > > > > isn't it funny that hell has so many answers about > > > god? > > > > Not answers, Wally - opinions! > > > > Hell (not to be confused with that hot place, which IMO > > opinion doesn't exist ;o), unless it's being stuck here > > while everyone else is at a Jonifest!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:23:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Methodists njc "Bob, is this what is happening to your church? Right wing targeting?" Well, I'm definitely not an "inner circle" member of the church, so I don't know what decisions get made behind closed doors. I would say that a large downtown church in the buckle of the Bible belt with a budget of 2 mil plus is going to be targeted to be controlled by those who worship money instead of God. The last time we took on a building project, the architecture and construction payments went to people who JUST HAPPENED to be members (you never saw them in church unless they were popping up to the pulpit to give an update), and the whole mess ended up being a big bait-and-switch, growing from a 4 million dollar project to a 9 million project. That was several years ago. They're in the middle of another massive fund-raiser called "Sharing God's Gifts" (I call it "Sharing Bob's Wallet") where they've exploited children, even infants, and forced all this propaganda on us to get us to cough up more dough. I like what Bono from U2 said: "The God I worship doesn't have a cash flow problem. Feh. Spitooey. Bob NP: Nellie McKay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:30:08 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re:Travelogue Update Bob Muller wrote: "Maybe some will take this as blasphemy...I spun T'log a couple of times last week, and I actually seem to like it better than I have in the past- perhaps getting used to the different arrangements or whatever, I'm not sure...BUT one thing that struck me is that some of these tracks would work better as instrumentals than they do with Joni's vocal. Not because her vocals are bad (although some do lack the power to match the orchestrations), but rather because the intimacy of the lyrical content doesn't match up with the grandiose sound of the orchestra. Has anyone else has this thought? Give a listen to T'log and see if you don't think that on some of these tracks Joni's vocal isn't more of a distraction." Well, coincidentally, I listened to Travelogue this week, too. When it came out, I was one of those who objected to the negative reviews based on one listening. The main reason was that I had made that mistake more than once before, and did not want to repeat it again (or watch others fall into that trap). The second reason is that I think it is generally difficult to absorb all that Joni's stuff has to offer in a few listenings and feel she has earned my patience as a listener. That does not mean that I doubt a listener's belief, based on only one listen, that they would never come to like T - "not my cup of tea" is very different from "lousy tea" - the latter being a connoisseurs boast (but do any of us really have more sophisticated taste in tea - viz "art and music" - than Joni ?) Anyway, after a year's worth of listening, I concluded that I felt it was a flawed record, with many bright spots - and posted to that effect. Perhaps the lack of fit of vocals to instrumentation are part of the reason, as Bob suggest - I agree that that balance is hard to achieve. I also think that some of the more intimate songs do not fit well with so much orchestration - so much so that they should not have been selected (especially Circle Game and For The Roses). However, I now wonder whether even my long withheld conclusion was premature. Every time I listen to T, I like it more. More and more, I am preferring the re-workings on T as much as or more than the originals - a litmus test for me. I no longer decide to listen to it with trepidation that I may not like - I now look forward to it. Maybe it will be that the older I get, the more I will like it. Seriously, in terms of demographics on this list, I wonder - if we took a survey - whether we'd find a statistical bias in the "grading" of this record that correlates statistically with the ages of us listeners. My point being that Joni's more recent works (BSN and T, and to some extent TTT) may require an older soul and slower heart and body to appreciate and ultimately warm up to. Sort of the growing older gracefully concept, and creating her art from within herself (and our accepting that). Joni may have done that here better than I initially realized. One thing that does not surprise me is that she continues to be able to surprise me. She's really something. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: [none] Hi Bob. I've said all along that I would like to hear completely instrumental version of the songs on T'Log. There would have to be some changes to the arrangements, but I think it could be great. (The Boston Pops do Joni...) Actually, I'd like Arthur Feidler to rise from the dead and do the arrangements. Now, THAT would be something!!!! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:42:05 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: 1/2 T Stephen wrote: "The conclusion I've come to is that TLOG would have been better as just one CD! A few of the tracks just don't do much for me but a lot I find very moving and worth the re-working!" I had that thought, too. In a sense, I believe that asking Vince to arrange so many songs turned out to be just too big a task - either for the budget, for for his capacity as an arranger. The end result may have been that too many tracks were uninspired, and perhaps even that those that were somewhat inspired were not as inspired as they might have been. Perhaps Joni should have allowed Vince to do with her set list what she herself had done with Mingus's offering - pare them down to those that he get a feel for/ be inspired by. Anyway, I offered to do a poll about which 11 tracks we would pare the record down to - but I only got a handful of responses. Too bad, IMO. Even the handful were looking sort of interesting on paper :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:52:00 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: headline njc I found this headline to be funny this weekend when I was in Charlotte, North Carolina. It said: USA Today Admits Deceit I am still chuckling about this. Did anyone see this? (Apparently there was a reporter from USA Today that wrote several lies in his international stories that were later published as facts.) I first understood it to mean: the USA finally admitted their lies. he he he Marianne >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:01:26 -0800 >From: "Kate Bennett" >Subject: RE: Quote of the day NJC >Yes indeedy. & what an interesting difference in their choice of >headline news - >Post: Hamas Leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin Killed in Gaza Times: Bush camp hits >Kerry on spending >>Anyway, have a look at the internet front page of the Times, vs. the >>Post. I think you'll see quite a difference in their messages: >>http://www.washingtontimes.com/ >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/ >>Lori _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:06:28 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Was: No Subject, Now: Arthur Feidler -- NJC Anne writes: << Actually, I'd like Arthur Feidler to rise from the dead and do the arrangements. Now, THAT would be something!!!! >> Which reminds me of the old joke: Q: What's Arthur Feidler doing now? A: Decomposing! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:15:52 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements Anne writes: << Actually, I'd like Arthur Feidler to rise from the dead and do the arrangements. >> Which reminds me . . . I think many of the songs on T'long have a cinematic feel, as if John WIlliams or (more likely, perhaps) someone from '40s or '50s Hollywood arranged them. And one of the songs, I forget which one now because it has been so long since I listened to T'long, opens like the grandiose Marlboro cigarette theme from the '60s! (Maybe that was Joni's idea of a joke . . .) - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:35:00 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: truth njc Clarke said there are 4 people who were there at the time who collaborate his story... >>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:27:59 -0800 >>From: "Kate Bennett" >>Subject: (NJC) White House Rebuttal to Clarke Interview > >>Then this: >>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14923-2004Mar22.html > >>Washington, D.C.: What do you make of Condoleezza Rice's op-ed piece? It >>really appears to deny Mr. Clarke's story completely. Either she wasn't >>there or he wasn't there! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar  FREE! >http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:16:59 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Iraq, NJC Laura..I have high regard for you and your opinions..thoughts.... Also...you come across as a person with NO hidden agendas ...so when you write your heartfelt feelings..it forces me to look at my positions. Marianne does the same for me...not a mean bone in her body...no agendas.. As I posted the other day Marianne and I have had many discussions ..heated sometimes..about Iraq..Bush...the environment.......and I listen to her..REALLY listen. The first time I visited Marianne we had problems over ..of all things.. recycling. Anyone see Cereal MOM? I'll put it this way ...I'm not as diligent as she when comes to recycling..in fact I don't recycle. There ..I said it!! But I respect her tremendously.. so I try hard to think about putting things in proper recycling boxes. And she checks after me to make sure I'm not throwing away anything in the garbage that should have gone in the recycle bins. Oh..it goes on..not wasting food...buying items that use recycled material. Do I feel she is a little over the top sometimes? Yeah..but it is important to her..so I do my best. BUT..I have stuck to my guns when it comes to peanut butter. I'm a Jif kind of girl and I WILL not eat that healthy stuff that does not have sugar added to it. This is where I have drawn the line! Yes..spring has arrived..a good day to all.. Love.. Bree >But now that we are there..and things are turning around.. albeit slowly.. >is there nothing good that the opposition can state? > >For instance....in a poll just taken a few days ago in Iraq .. a whopping >72 >percent said they want democracy. Ninety percent of the children will be >immunized by years end. (Hillary where are you?! It takes a villiage? >Remember?) Children are going to school...the water is cleaner than it >has ever been. Most importantly.. the tyrant is put away. Just today >all the news services reported that Saddam stole close to 10 Billion >dollars >from his people. Monies that should have gone for >food..education...hospitals.. twenty -five million people are free to >practice their religion...to speak out....freedom for the first time in >decades. > > Hi Bree! > > I was not for going to war with Iraq so I guess I'm part of the >opposition. Yes, all of these things you mention here are good. I can >acknowledge >these good ends, but I cannot agree with the evil means used to obtain >them. >And, I have to wonder what good was actually prevented by going to war... >perhaps >that good would far out weigh what is happening now. When evil means are >rejected, blessings follow in time. > >Love, >Laura _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:23:37 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC Okay..Lori..we will just have to wait until his memoirs come out and see just how well he slept during this period. ;-0 Bree > > But with the gravity ..and knowing that innocent people would die..I'm > > thinking there would surely be a restless night or two..three... > >That's so sweet, Bree. Maybe you're right. > > >On the other hand ... > >Nah. I don't think he missed a wink. > > >Lori _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:04:07 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] LOGO contest 2004 Thanks Claud! I can't wait to see what our talented group comes up with!!! db >>> claud9@comcast.net 3/22/2004 10:17:02 PM >>> 3I2m always running behind this train2 .... If that is you, don9t let time slip away!!! We have about one month left to gather up logo contest entries. Don9t think you have nothing to contribute in terms of visual talents, or think you aren9t good enough to bother. It is amazing what we can come up with when we just let go of needing it to be 3special2. Just have fun with it. Experiment. Get your kids involved, your neighbors, your uncle...Put on your favorite Joni album and just go ahead... See what happens. Every year has been made special this way. It adds a sense of belonging, never mind the cups, posters, stickers, pics, t-shirts and other marvelous junk ;-) Below is a copy of the original Logo contest information! HAVE FUN, Claudia LOGO CONTEST 2004 Unleash your CREATIVITY!!!!! Right, that9s what you9ve been waiting for ;-) !!!! So, here it is -- time to think about a logo for this year9s Jonifest * JONIFEST 2004!!!! Once again, have fun and explore with your pens, paper, pencils, watercolors, pastels, scissors, oils, acryllics, crayons, magic markers and other creative implements! Then enter your entries for the most WONDERFUL logo for Jonifest 2004 to: logocontest@jmdl.com Of course, like with all contests, here are the.... CONTEST RULES: 1) Please no copyrighted pictures/drawings. 2) Please keep the Logo simple for ease of reproduction. 3) It should include the words Jonifest 2004 somewhere in the Logo. Feel free to make up a slogan as well, if the spirit moves you. 4) Prize: Undying gratitude from the Jonifest community and the ENORMOUS prestige of having your logo used for top secret Jonifest things. As in last year, there will be a wonderful prize as well, to be given to the winner. (To be determined.) 5) All entries must be received by May 3, 2004. Everyone out in JMDL land will have a chance to vote for their favorite logo. So get your muses spinning .....and most importantly HAVE FUN!!!! Much inspiration, Claudia (logo contest volunteer) This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:06:40 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: New Lyric (No EC, NJC) This is supposed to be a tribute to George Harrison. Coals To Newcastle )2004 by David Sadowski You can lead a dark horse to water But you can't make her drink I can point out all your opportunities But I can't tell you what to think I'm a man on a mission To see what I've been missin' My hand is on the throttle All set to spin the bottle You've got rhythm You've got speed Everything that I need If looks could kill It fits the bill, in fact You know they sometimes will Bringing coals to Newcastle Driving into the lake Selling snow to the Eskimos It's more than I can take You're a diamond in the rough An apple for the teacher Not ever close enough Was that the way to reach you Looks like you've got me In the palm of your hand Like the useless facts At my command I'm often surprised I see you've surmised There's a grain of truth In all my lies Bringing coals to Newcastle Could've been a mistake Seems like a dream I had Now I'm wide-awake You can lead a dark horse to water But you can't make her drink I can point out all your opportunities But I can't tell you what to think ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:17:03 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re:Bugs within the JMDL site I was starting to think I was being picked on when I discovered my photo was missing from the profiles...then I thought maybe someone just wanted it and removed it for their own . Anyhow...I e-mail Les about the problem a few weeks back and he concurred it was probably one of those pesky bugs. I haven't try to upload it again so I don't know about that end of the problem. Les offered no solution, I said call the exterminator. Just thought someone might like to know... Jonily Yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:08:13 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: 1/2 T Ok so this would have made a great single CD IMO (not in this particular order); The Dawntreader You Dream Flat Tyres Woodstock Amelia God Must Be A Boogie Man The Last Time I Saw Richard For The Roses Otis & Marlena Cherokee Louise Be Cool Borderline NP: Talula - Tori * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: Re: 1/2 T > Stephen wrote: > > "The conclusion I've come to is that TLOG would have been better as just one > CD! A few of the tracks just don't do much for me but a lot I find very > moving and worth the re-working!" > > I had that thought, too. In a sense, I believe that asking Vince to arrange > so many songs turned out to be just too big a task - either for the budget, for > for his capacity as an arranger. The end result may have been that too many > tracks were uninspired, and perhaps even that those that were somewhat inspired > were not as inspired as they might have been. > > Perhaps Joni should have allowed Vince to do with her set list what she > herself had done with Mingus's offering - pare them down to those that he get a > feel for/ be inspired by. > > Anyway, I offered to do a poll about which 11 tracks we would pare the record > down to - but I only got a handful of responses. Too bad, IMO. Even the > handful were looking sort of interesting on paper :-) > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:30:33 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Gay non rights NJC >According to the Federal Times, the president's appointee at the Office of Special Counsel ruled that federal employees will now "have no recourse if they are fired or demoted simply for being gay."< http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/Read.asp?fn=df03202004.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:43:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Anne writes: > > << Actually, I'd like Arthur Feidler to rise from > the dead > > and do the arrangements. >> > > Which reminds me . . . I think many of the songs on > T'long have a cinematic > feel, as if John WIlliams or (more likely, perhaps) > someone from '40s or '50s > Hollywood arranged them. And one of the songs, I > forget which one now because > it has been so long since I listened to T'long, > opens like the grandiose > Marlboro cigarette theme from the '60s! (Maybe that > was Joni's idea of a joke . . .) > I was listening to Billie Holliday's "Lady in Satin" a few weeks ago (talk about painful) and it struck me how much IT sounded like Travelogue (but if course, that would mean Travelogue sounded like IT, because IT came first.) Anyway, I find "Lady in Satin" painful to listen to because of Billie's voice - this woman was a wreck at the time, months away from death (and apparently "Lady in Satin" was Billie's personal favourite). The arrangements to me sound pretty saccharine, but that's the kind of arrangements they were using back then and given Joni's love for Billie, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what Mendoza was going for. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] LOGO contest 2004 njc I think it's really cool that way Claud9's apostrophes all came out as 9s in this version of her post. --- Donna Binkley wrote: > Thanks Claud! I can't wait to see what our talented > group comes up with!!! db > > >>> claud9@comcast.net 3/22/2004 10:17:02 PM >>> > 3I2m always running behind this train2 > .... If that is you, don9t let time slip away!!! > We have about one month left to gather up logo > contest entries. > > Don9t think you have nothing to contribute in terms > of visual talents, or > think you aren9t good enough to bother. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:54:50 -0800 From: jan Subject: Great Lies of the Music Business (njc) Great Lies of the Music Business: The booking is definite Your check's in the mail We can fix it in the mix This is the best dope you've ever had The show starts at 8 My agent will take care of it I'm sure it will work Your tickets are at the door It sounds in tune to me Sure, it sounds fine at the back of the hall I know your mic is on I checked it myself The roadie took care of it She'll be backstage after the show Yes, the spotlight was on you during your solo The stage mix sounds just like the program mix It's the hottest pickup I could get The club will provide the PA and lights I really love the band We'll have it ready by tonight We'll have lunch sometime If it breaks, we'll fix it for free We'll let you know I had nothing to do with your marriage breaking up. It was on the rocks long before I ever met you The place was packed We'll have you back next week Don't worry, you'll be the headliner It's on the truck My last band had a record deal, but we broke up before recording the album Someone will be there early to let you in I've only been playing for a year I've been playing for 20 years We'll have flyers printed tomorrow I'm with the band The band drinks free You'll get your cut tonight We'll supply someone for the door You'll have no problem fitting that bass cabinet in the trunk of your car There'll be lots of roadies when you get there It's totally compatible with your current program You'll have plenty of time for a soundcheck This is one of Jimi's old Strats We'll definitely come to the gig You can depend on me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re:Bugs within the JMDL site --- Warrenkeith91354@aol.com wrote: > I was starting to think I was being picked on when I > discovered my photo was > missing from the profiles...then I thought maybe > someone just wanted it and > removed it for their own . Anyhow...I e-mail Les > about the problem a few weeks > back and he concurred it was probably one of those > pesky bugs. I haven't try to > upload it again so I don't know about that end of > the problem. Les offered no > solution, I said call the exterminator. Just thought > someone might like to > know... My pic was missing too and I tried to re-upload (re-upload?) it again last night but got an error message. Haven't told Les yet but will if I try again & it doesn't work this time, as I think sometimes these things are just temporary glitches. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:56:43 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: recycling, NJC In a message dated 3/23/04 11:17:31 AM Central Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: Laura..I have high regard for you and your opinions..thoughts.... Also...you come across as a person with NO hidden agendas Hi Bree! Thanks. I have high regard for you and your opinions too... major. My agenda is pretty simple: "happy, joyous, free." I have a bumper sticker that says that, so it isn't a hidden agenda at all. I had to take the Clark one off much to my dismay. Robert made a deal with me that if I wouldn't put a Kerry one on our van, he would take the Bush one off his truck. I'm not sold on Kerry at present... I have some reservations, but I have no reservations about not voting for Bush. ...so when you write your heartfelt feelings..it forces me to look at my positions. Likewise. Marianne does the same for me...not a mean bone in her body...no agendas.. Now who is Marriane again? Do I know her? Wink. .......and I listen to her..REALLY listen. Aren't ears wonderful! The first time I visited Marianne we had problems over ..of all things.. recycling. I can understand that. Even before we had curbside recycling, we would sort our trash in separate trash cans, and Robert would take it in his truck to a recycling center. Now, we have curbside services, but once he put the recycle bins too close to the trash can, and the trash guys took what was to be recycled. My heart dropped. I had this major reaction like all life was going to end, that the planet was going to die because he put the recyclables too close to the trash can, and our recyclables were on their way to the dump and there was nothing I could do about it. I was in tears and felt so helpless and angry that after I spent time sorting trash to be recycled, he didn't care enough about the planet to be more careful with where he put the bins. Thank God I was riding on the horse called AA and could notice such a dramatic reaction was unhealthy for me even though I couldn't see how in my distress. I knew I needed to wait before I called Robert to tell him what happened until I was sure I wasn't going to lash out at him. Only by God's grace (thank you Angi!!!!), I cooled off before I called, and I started remembering all the years we had no means to recycle and how we still survived... that I had not recycled for most of my years alive so who was I to lash out. I saw how it is such a gift to be able to recycle... that recycling is a process and that nobody is perfect at it and that maybe if I didn't call Robert up and lash out at him, I might find he would be sympathetic to me rather than defensive. When I did call him, instead of blaming him and coming down on him, I told him I was very sad because the trash guys took our recyclables by accident, and that maybe we needed to put the cans further apart next time. He was very sympathetic. Life is for learning... its a circle game. Recycling wasn't our idea; it is how mother nature works. We are very slowly catching on, but we are catching on. ..in fact I don't recycle. There ..I said it!! Step one: We admitted we were powerless over recycling -- that our trash had become unmanageable. But I respect her tremendously.. so I try hard to think about putting things in proper recycling boxes. Step two: Came to believe that a Recycler greater than ourselves could lead us to recycling. And she checks after me to make sure I'm not throwing away anything in the garbage that should have gone in the recycle bins. Step three: Made a decision to turn our trash and our recyclables over to the care of the Almighty Recycler as we understood Her. Oh..it goes on..not wasting food...buying items that use recycled material. Step four: Made a searching and fearless inventory of our practices of wasting and recycling. Do I feel she is a little over the top sometimes? Yeah..but it is important to her..so I do my best. Step five: Admitted to ourselves and to the Joni list the exact nature of our attitude toward the Recycler. BUT..I have stuck to my guns when it comes to peanut butter. I'm a Jif kind of girl and I WILL not eat that healthy stuff that does not have sugar added to it. This is where I have drawn the line! Step six: Were entirely ready to have the Recycler remove all these defects of unhealthy living except when to do so would take away our peanut butter. Yes..spring has arrived.. Step seven: Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious awareness of the environment as we understood it. a good day to all.. Step eight: Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other potential recyclers and to practice recycling of all our trash. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:13:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Was: No Subject, Now: T'long's arrangements Catherine said: "given Joni's love for Billie, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what Mendoza was going for." Yes, you can definitely hear that with some of Joni's vocals and it is not to great effect. It just makes her sound frail as well when she's really not. There are other songs where she pushes herself vocally so she can when she chooses to. Bob NP: David Frizell, "A Case Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:18:30 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: I don't want a pickle, njc Laura says: > .... just want a ride on your motorsickle. I don't wanna die, just want > > to ride on your motorcyyyyyy cle. I have a motorcycle, but it is an antique > > and is collecting dust at present. > > Vrrrrrrooooooooom, > Laura You're welcome to ride her, Laura. "Bella" is a 1996 Yamaha Virago XV750, and she's very accommodating. Vrrrrroooooooom back at ya! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:21:22 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: tv njc now PACKAGING These packaging woes are why you should purchase products made and packaged in Japan. The Japanese know how to package!! Lori, whose mother-in-law-if-gay-marriage-were-legal is from Tokyo and gives great advice (as well as making kick-ass California rolls) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:27:23 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: christian debt relievers - we can help (NJC) Did anyone else receive this timely announcement? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:56:11 -0500 From: Mary@humblenet.com Reply-to: Thaddaeus@humblenet.com Subject: christian debt relievers - we can help http://www.christiandebtmgt.com/christian02 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:30:21 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: NJC - Recycling (was Re: Iraq, NJC) Bree admitted: > in fact I don't recycle. This seems to be a problem with people who live in Ohio. Lori, whose family still lives there, almost none of whom (save for one wise aunt) recycle either ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:33:27 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC > Okay..Lori..we will just have to wait until his memoirs come out and see > just how well he slept during this period. ;-0 Yes, we may learn that George W. was sleeping as well and as much as Ronnie Ray-gun was during HIS administration. ; ) Lori, wondering if GWB will spell it "nucular" in his memoirs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:39:19 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: recycling, NJC I once worked with a woman who was a "born again Christian" and she absolutely REFUSED to recycle, and further, she HATED that her young sons were being taught to recycle in school -- it really upset her. Her reasoning? That God intended for us to use up and waste the earth. When the Rapture came, the saved would leave the earth and so there was no need to care for it. Really, she believed this. Maybe she still does. Lori, still bewildered at the memory ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:45:53 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Iraq, NJC Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > > BUT..I have stuck to my guns when it comes to peanut butter. I'm a > Jif kind of girl and I WILL not eat that healthy stuff that does not > have sugar added to it. This is where I have drawn the line! Good for you! i fyou are going to eat such things, at least eat the real thing! Like yoghurt-have the full fat kind, not the low fat crap. Low fat cheesecake? why? eat the full fat stuff. With naything, eat the rela thing-you'll be more satisfied and eat less. Of course, since I low carb I don't any of the above but if I were to, I'd go for the full works! > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:52:24 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: recycling, NJC Lori Fye wrote: >I once worked with a woman who was a "born again Christian" and she absolutely >REFUSED to recycle, and further, she HATED that her young sons were being >taught to recycle in school -- it really upset her. Her reasoning? That God >intended for us to use up and waste the earth. When the Rapture came, the >saved would leave the earth and so there was no need to care for it. > >Really, she believed this. Maybe she still does. > >Lori, >still bewildered at the memory > > > not unusual at all.Those beliefs abound. When we were JW's, they ahve quite an intersting view. Don't belive in Hell for one thing. However, they believe heaven will be on earth. After all us bad ones have been destroyed permentantly, the good ones will live eternity here. never mind that there would sill be natural disaters or that the sun is eventually going to burn out.Minor details like that woyuld be fixed by God of course. I suppose accidents like broken spines and legs etc would also be instantly fixed. And waht a job it will be to dig up the remains of already dead goodies and reassemble them. imagine trying not to mix that lot up.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:15:43 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: I don't want a pickle, njc In a message dated 3/23/04 6:17:24 PM Central Standard Time, lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: You're welcome to ride her, Laura. "Bella" is a 1996 Yamaha Virago XV750, and she's very accommodating. Vrrrrroooooooom back at ya! Lori Hi Lori!! That would be a dream come true! Thanks! Love and gratitude, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:35:31 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: I don't want a pickle, NJC Arlo Guthrie played in my little town last Friday night, arriving by tour bus rather than by motorcyyyy-cle. Accompanied by his son, daughter, and son-in-law, he continues to exemplify contemporary folk music, presenting to the audience a warm combination of music, comedy, history, and social commentary. I was pleased that he pays homage to his father and performed three of Woody's tunes. During the encore, he played an abbreviated version of "Alice's Restaurant" and at one point feigned (or perhaps *not*) remembering the lyrics to the 18-minute epic. Turning to his daughter for help with the words, she was unable to recite them to his satisfaction, at which point Arlo proclaimed, "hey, I know the words to *my* dad's songs!" If he comes to your area I'm confident you won't be disappointed. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:23:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Iraq, NJC - Iraq? No, peanuts! --- colin wrote: > Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > > > > > > > BUT..I have stuck to my guns when it comes to > peanut butter. I'm a > > Jif kind of girl and I WILL not eat that healthy > stuff that does not > > have sugar added to it. This is where I have > drawn the line! > > Good for you! i fyou are going to eat such things, > at least eat the real > thing! Hmm. I love the natural peanut butter, especially the crunchy kind. Nothing but peanuts all ground up. You can really taste the peanuts, it's got lots of fibre and you get to stir the oil around into it so you can really SEE just how much grease is going into your belly. Mmmm, getting hungry now. Want peanut butter on a toasted Montreal bagel. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:38:46 -0800 (PST) From: Deb Subject: Re: recycling, NJC I have to respond here. I think this is terrible and am horrified that people actually feel this way. Anyone not caring about the earth probably does not have children. Recycling is such a key factor here in reducing waste, hence keeping our planet alive. We did not inherit this earth from our Grandparents, but are borrowing it from our children.. The *Circle Game* continues.... Debi Lori Fye wrote: I once worked with a woman who was a "born again Christian" and she absolutely REFUSED to recycle, and further, she HATED that her young sons were being taught to recycle in school -- it really upset her. Her reasoning? That God intended for us to use up and waste the earth. When the Rapture came, the saved would leave the earth and so there was no need to care for it. Really, she believed this. Maybe she still does. Lori, still bewildered at the memory **************************** It's all a dream, She has awoke- Joni Mitchell **************************** Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:47:10 -0800 (PST) From: Deb Subject: Re: I don't want a pickle, NJC Arlo is amazing! I have seen him many times at the Philly Folk Festival at the Ole Pool Farm in Schwenksville. I was over at a friends house and was watching a video from the Folk Fest from 1996. He had his some with him and it was just the two of them. He was so funny and such an excellent singer/songwriter. In 1996 he was saying that he was redoing his Alice Restuarant LP becuase back then there were no double takes. He then said that this LP was shorter then the one 30 years befor and was trying to figure out how this lp could be shorter then the original when nothing had changed. The whole thing was so funny. I always love it when the Folk Fest has him there. He is a definate MUST SEE! Debi Scott Price wrote: Arlo Guthrie played in my little town last Friday night, arriving by tour bus rather than by motorcyyyy-cle. Accompanied by his son, daughter, and son-in-law, he continues to exemplify contemporary folk music, presenting to the audience a warm combination of music, comedy, history, and social commentary. I was pleased that he pays homage to his father and performed three of Woody's tunes. During the encore, he played an abbreviated version of "Alice's Restaurant" and at one point feigned (or perhaps *not*) remembering the lyrics to the 18-minute epic. Turning to his daughter for help with the words, she was unable to recite them to his satisfaction, at which point Arlo proclaimed, "hey, I know the words to *my* dad's songs!" If he comes to your area I'm confident you won't be disappointed. Scott **************************** It's all a dream, She has awoke- Joni Mitchell **************************** Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:58:17 -0800 (PST) From: Deb Subject: Re: Iraq, NJC - Iraq? No, peanuts! Oh I love the natural peanut butter too. It is funny when they say Choosy mothers Chose jif. Besides sugar it has patially hydrogenated oil which is not good for you. Choosy mothers give their children healthy food and let them make up their own minds when they are old enough to make those kinds of decisions. Teach your children well! Debi Catherine McKay wrote: - --- colin wrote: > Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > > > > > > > BUT..I have stuck to my guns when it comes to > peanut butter. I'm a > > Jif kind of girl and I WILL not eat that healthy > stuff that does not > > have sugar added to it. This is where I have > drawn the line! > > Good for you! i fyou are going to eat such things, > at least eat the real > thing! Hmm. I love the natural peanut butter, especially the crunchy kind. Nothing but peanuts all ground up. You can really taste the peanuts, it's got lots of fibre and you get to stir the oil around into it so you can really SEE just how much grease is going into your belly. Mmmm, getting hungry now. Want peanut butter on a toasted Montreal bagel. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca **************************** It's all a dream, She has awoke- Joni Mitchell **************************** Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #125 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)