From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #124 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 23 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 124 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Travelogue Update [Smurfycopy@aol.com] kerry on c-span last night NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Farina influence? [TinkersOwn@aol.com] NJC PC terrorism ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Re: njc how Bush (did not) win in 2000 [] (NJC) White House Rebuttal to Clarke Interview ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: God njc [Catherine McKay ] Methodists njc ["Kate Bennett" ] LOGO contest 2004 [Claud9 ] Today's Library Links: March 23 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:45:02 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue Update In a post that I never saw because I am on AOL and Emiliano is off duty, Wally asks: > no matter what i do, they still prefer the t'log versions. how in the name > of every deity in heaven and in the nether regions can this happen?????? >> And Lori replies: > I dunno. "My" Mary prefers the Travelogue versions of many Joni songs, too. Now me: There are many people who HATE Joni's younger voice. Whenever I have asked these people what they dislike about her, they always respond either that her music is too depressing or that her voice is too shrill. Cheers, - --Maxine, who thinks that God is a Canadian woman, but much warmer and more forgiving ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:52:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: kerry on c-span last night NJC Hi deb! I saw brief clips of this when he was interviewed by ed bradley... I'd love to see the whole thing though... indeed that is how I felt, that he was so articulate... & the bashing tends to exaggerate what he actually said, ignoring that he served as spokesperson for many other vets as well... >Last night, C-SPAN ran John Kerry's 1971 testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. We turned it on toward the end, so maybe we missed the wild-eyed hippie Jane-Fonda-loving commie part, but we were struck by how articulate he was. We've all been hearing about him supposedly bashing US troops, but in the part we heard, he spoke very compassionately about the troops and how they were used and duped by their government. He even defended Lt. Calley (of My Lai massacre) - well, he didn't defend him, but he said that justice wasn't served when someone at Calley's level was prosecuted and those truly responsible, higher up the chain, were ignored.< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:08:51 EST From: TinkersOwn@aol.com Subject: Farina influence? Douglas wrote: >Does anybody know if Joni was influenced at all >by Richard Farina? Aside from her occasinal >dulcimer playing, it seems to me that one can >sometimes detect a certain Farina-like zing in >her guitar strumming as well. Has she ever >acknowledge Farina as an influence? Douglas is the creator of the excellent www.richardandmimi.com site, and had the good taste to include some of my photos. :) I really don't see Richard as an influence on Joni's dulcimer playing - their strumming styles are very different, and Joni (natch) made up her own tunings from the get-go. The story of Joni's "discovery" of the dulcimer is fairly well known, and I believe that it is somewhere on jonimitchell.com - I don't believe Richard shows up there as an influence. Yes, she would certainly have been familiar with R & M - can anyone check if they were at festivals together before Richard's death? Later, Joni appeared with Mimi at Big Sur, and at at least one of Mimi's Bread & Roses festivals in Berkeley. My $0.02. All the best, ################################################ Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@aol.com "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:17:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC PC terrorism Gill >If this report is true, then it adds weight to the argument that the fundamentalists need Bush, and Bush needs the fundamentalists, in order to continue the circle of violence. It is obvious to me that Bush needs the terrorists to keep boosting his election campaign. < I agree, being a war president in many ways is easy, because woe to anyone who questions our leaders during times of war... Someone, maybe it was Clark (or possibly the segment following Clark?) talked about how the USA gave the fundamentalists exactly what they'd hoped for (an unprovoked attack on a middle eastern company) to justify their hatred & build recruits... We've thrown a stick at a hornets nest Clark (a registered Republican btw & basically a hawk himself) described the bush team as a bunch of guys encased in amber still dealing with old cold war policy & strategies... Classic... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:24:27 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: njc how Bush (did not) win in 2000 I think he'll "bring us the head of Osama bin Lauden" in a spring offensive in Afghanistan, and be re-elected. Did you see Pres. Bush'es former anti-terrorism chief on 60 Minutes last night? Whoa, that guy had a *LOT* to say. Maybe you are right about the voters thinking differently about US wars than "we" did in '72. I'm different. I had almost no idea how other countries saw us but the internet in general (and the JMDL in particular) have changed that for the better. Sincerely, Jim L'Hommedieu > From: Lori Fye > My prediction? Sad and frightening as it would be, I believe this adminstration > is fully capable and willing to stage a "terrorist attack" in order to rally > Americans around the president again. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:27:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: (NJC) White House Rebuttal to Clarke Interview Then this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14923-2004Mar22.html Washington, D.C.: What do you make of Condoleezza Rice's op-ed piece? It really appears to deny Mr. Clarke's story completely. Either she wasn't there or he wasn't there! Barton Gellman: There's always a sort of lawyerly quality to Washington debates -- she lists all that was done, and why other things could not have been done. Clarke's perspective is different, and his rendition of some of the underlying facts is also different. But I would note that Rice's piece differs mainly in argument; I have not seen a significant factual challenge to the content of Clarke's book. Washington, D.C.: While I know the White House is going to defend itself against Clarke's charges, I was struck at the vast gulf between what the White House says happened and what Clarke says happened. Which side are we supposed to believe? Is it all really somewhere in the middle? Barton Gellman: As I mentioned earlier, there are very few differences asserted of concrete fact. It's mostly interpretation and justification. Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:46:02 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: I don't want a pickle, njc Lori wrote: I've also been planning to ride my motorcycle, and high gas prices just about seals this decision. Hi Lori! .... just want a ride on your motorsickle. I don't wanna die, just want to ride on your motorcyyyyyy cle. I have a motorcycle, but it is an antique and is collecting dust at present. Vrrrrrrooooooooom, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:10:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bugs within the JMDL site njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > Hi Douglas, and welcome to the JMDL! > > Richard wrote, regarding your missing photo: > > > As for the photograph uploading--I noticed that my > photograph, which had > > been uploaded for a long time--no longer appears. > > The JMDL was recently moved to a new server. Please > visit www.jmdl.com, where > you'll see a violet box at the top right, with an > "email me" link where you can > send a note to Les with any problems you're > experiencing. > Hmmm, verrrry interesting. My piccy is gone too. Oh well, it probably needed updating anyway. Welcome, Douglas! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:42:18 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: God man, just God, NJC Kate wrote: Yes it is unfortunate the concept (patriarchy) is still around imo... There is a great list of things that we take for granted that use the male pronoun... & when you change these things to the female pronoun it becomes obvious how we've assumed so much for too long... I wish I could get my hands on this... Does anyone know what I am referring too? Probably from some women's studies 101 course :~}... Hi Kate, I find it interesting to consider that the concept of "Godess" would likely have fit when the Judeo Christian scriptures came about because Godesses were commonly worshipped during that time so for history to work up to I AM becoming flesh in the form of Jane rather than Jesus wouldn't have been that big a deal. Maybe men were in greater need of a good example than were women so the Word took on the appearance of a man. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:02:42 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: tv njc now PACKAGING --- colin wrote: > > Speaking of challenging, waht the hell has happened > to packaging? > EVERYTHING from broccoli to cheese to meat is > packaged. But not just > wrapped. oh no. they are hermetically sealed and are > impossible to open > by mere mortals. By the time I have managed to ge > anything open it has > either gone off or my appetite has. Even trying to > open a pack of coffee > is a trial of endurance and patience. Half of it > ends up all over the > place. Oh and those 'resealable' bags. Just how do > you reseal a bag you > had to shred to get at it's contents? Colin, you're a man after my own heart. I am CONSTANTLY bitching about packaging. Everything is fecking impossible to open. They want to seal it all up so no one can open the package and steal the ingredients, but then they make it so you have to go at it with a sharp knife or a pair of scissors to get the damn thing open. And what about those packages (usually the resealable kind) that have a strip you're supposed to be able to just pull off, so then you can open the package (of cheese or whatever) and then after you've eaten some, you can use the resealable thing to... reseal it! You can never get hold of the strip that's supposed to pull off, so then you either have to go at it with your teeth (snarling like a dog the whole time), or search the house for a pair of scissors (we have 3 or 4 pairs, but you can never find them when you need them) and THEN, when you finally get the thing open, you can never line up the two parts of the resealable thing to make it close properly anyway. > Milk? what happend to the simple glass bottle where > you pressed in the > foil lid? Now you get them in sealed plastic bottles > that means the milk > has curdelled byt the time you figure out how to > open it. Is there any other country but Canada where milk comes in plastic bags? You can buy 3 litres of it. You take one litre bag out of the big bag they all come in, stick it in a plastic pour-container, and snip off one edge, so you can pour the milk out. (Need to find the scissors again, because trying to open one of THOSE with your teeth is just no good.) They also have these little snip-it things you can buy that are used just for snipping open a corner of the milk bag. They have a magnet on the back so you can stick them on the fridge, but you have to put it nice and high on the fridge, because the cats LOVE playing with those - I keep finding mine in the weirdest places in the house after the cats have finished their Kitty Soccer games. > But egg boxes are bulky and fill your > bin. Guess what? The > recycling people don't take egg boxes. They are > cardbaord, they are > simple but cannot be recycled? why? Speaking of > recycling, I refused to > buy recycled toilet paper for years till I asked > John 'how on earth do > they get the toilet paper back to recycle it? I > wouldn't want that job.' > He almost wet himself laughing and I then realised I > had not thought > this through ot rather that I had thought it through > but not in the > right direction. I now quite happily use recycled > toilet paper. Then > ther are plastic bags-the type you ge tin the > supermaket for your > shopping or the type you buy for dog poop or the > type you buy fro > freezing things in. Why don't they provide them > ready opened? Is it all > part of a plot? Do they want us to run amok and > commit mass murder? > Am I getting old? Colin, if you're getting old, I'm getting old and maybe that's all part of it. You're not the first person I've heard of with that recycled toilet paper story! Here in Toronto we've got so many friggin' different kinds of recycling bins, it's a real pain in the arse just getting the garbage ready. By the time I haul it out to the curb every Tuesday morning, I'm exhausted! We have a blue box for plastic, glass and cans (and only CERTAIN kinds of plastic are recyclable and they give you a list of what is and what isn't acceptable, and this varies from one locale to another - - so the hell with it! All my plastic goes in the bin, and they always take it anyway). And then there's the grey box for paper (any kind of paper, newsprint, fine paper, cardboard, corrugated, whatever, but you have to deconstruct boxes - they won't take them if you just fling the whole box in there). And then there's the green bin for organic recycling, and they take absolutely everything, including dirty diapers and dog poop - iwwwww - stinky! I'm so glad I'm not a garbage collector! Then there's the lawn and garden garbage that you have to put out either in reusable containers, or in biodegradable giant brown paper bags. But no grass clippings are allowed, so you just mow them back into your lawn (I always did anyway, but a lot of people didn't) And then there's the everything-else garbage - the stuff that isn't recycled and doesn't fit into all those other categories. Guess where that goes? MICHIGAN! They actually EXPORT Toronto's garbage to Michigan! Somewhere in Michigan there's a garbage dump full of Toronto garbage. I suppose it's supplying jobs to the good people of Michigan and that whoever runs the dump is getting paid a lot of money to do this, but I wonder if they have to clear customs every time a truck goes across the border? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:44:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: God njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > Randy wrote: > > > Agreed, but viewing God as the big man in the sky > is consistent > > with a religion steeped in patriarchy. > > Yes, it certainly is consistent with those religions > that decimated so many of > the matriarchal societies, in the name of conversion > to another faith. > > Personally, I always think of "god" as a big eye in > the sky. > > Lori > > NPIMH: "I am the eye in the sky ..." > > P.S. to Kerry: Sorry for yet another Alan Parsons > Project reference! : ) Awww, c'mon. I've got a soft spot in my heart for the Alan Parsons project, and it ain't the Dogger Bank! I'm considering one of those goddess religions, because I'm fed up with gods, and men in general. (Sorry, guys.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:36:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Methodists njc Bob, is this what is happening to your church? Right wing targeting? "In the 1980s, I studied the rise of conservative infrastructure. I wrote a book about it that was published in 1986 called 'The Rise of the Counter-Establishment.'...The right's infrastructure is now far larger than, I think, all but a few people understand... "I believe they spend about one quarter of a billion dollars a year on this infrastructure. Their funding is highly centralized and coordinated; call it a 'Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy' if you like, but it is done through a small group of people who generally direct funds to dozens of right-wing groups including the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute, the Federalist Society, and so on. There is nothing like it beyond the right." "You can see that through the heavily-funded, carefully targeted splitting of religions by the right, such as the Episcopal Church over the gay bishop. All of that is funded and directed, part of a strategy. Do not doubt it. Now, the Methodists are targeted." http://truthout.org/docs_03/120803A.shtml Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:17:02 -0500 From: Claud9 Subject: LOGO contest 2004 3I2m always running behind this train2 .... If that is you, don9t let time slip away!!! We have about one month left to gather up logo contest entries. Don9t think you have nothing to contribute in terms of visual talents, or think you aren9t good enough to bother. It is amazing what we can come up with when we just let go of needing it to be 3special2. Just have fun with it. Experiment. Get your kids involved, your neighbors, your uncle...Put on your favorite Joni album and just go ahead... See what happens. Every year has been made special this way. It adds a sense of belonging, never mind the cups, posters, stickers, pics, t-shirts and other marvelous junk ;-) Below is a copy of the original Logo contest information! HAVE FUN, Claudia LOGO CONTEST 2004 Unleash your CREATIVITY!!!!! Right, that9s what you9ve been waiting for ;-) !!!! So, here it is -- time to think about a logo for this year9s Jonifest JONIFEST 2004!!!! Once again, have fun and explore with your pens, paper, pencils, watercolors, pastels, scissors, oils, acryllics, crayons, magic markers and other creative implements! Then enter your entries for the most WONDERFUL logo for Jonifest 2004 to: logocontest@jmdl.com Of course, like with all contests, here are the.... CONTEST RULES: 1) Please no copyrighted pictures/drawings. 2) Please keep the Logo simple for ease of reproduction. 3) It should include the words Jonifest 2004 somewhere in the Logo. Feel free to make up a slogan as well, if the spirit moves you. 4) Prize: Undying gratitude from the Jonifest community and the ENORMOUS prestige of having your logo used for top secret Jonifest things. As in last year, there will be a wonderful prize as well, to be given to the winner. (To be determined.) 5) All entries must be received by May 3, 2004. Everyone out in JMDL land will have a chance to vote for their favorite logo. So get your muses spinning .....and most importantly HAVE FUN!!!! Much inspiration, Claudia (logo contest volunteer) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 02:14:27 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 23 On March 23 the following articles were published: 1988: "Joni Mitchell fields the silliest questions with humor" - Toronto Star (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1107 1995: "Performance: Joni Mitchell" - Rolling Stone (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=308 2000: "Elton John, More Set For Joni Mitchell Tribute" - MTV Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=707 2000: "Sharps and Flats" - Salon.com (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=480 2000: "Stars pay tribute to Joni Mitchell" - Toronto Sun (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=663 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #124 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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