From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #122 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 22 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 122 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: God njc [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: God njc [colin ] RE: God njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: njc how Bush (did not) win in 2000 [Deb Messling ] NJC Prevaricating Prevaricators so crooked they could hide behind a corkscrew ["Richard Flynn" ] Soft spots NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: how the election was stolen -- njc [fauchja@comcast.net] RE: What is reality? NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: What is reality? NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Know it all trivia, NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Now for something REALLY different [Michael Paz ] RE: Scriptures and The Passion, NJC [David Marine ] Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC [dsk ] 60 minutes on CBS NJC [dsk ] RE: njc how Bush (did not) win in 2000 ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Subject: Re: God njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: What is reality? NJC [dsk ] ostrich behavior NJC ["gene mock" ] RE: Scriptures and The Passion, NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Now for something REALLY different -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] HI hi hi hi hi ["Marja Tensen" ] Re: Now for something REALLY different [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: HI hi hi hi hi [Susan Guzzi ] njc: Stereophile on Brian Stoltz: **** out of 5 possible ["Lama, Jim L'Ho] 60 minutes njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Know it all trivia, NJC [Randy Remote ] RE: how the election was stolen -- njc [Lori Fye ] Re: HI hi hi hi hi [Lori Fye ] Re: God, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: njc how Bush (did not) win in 2000 [Lori Fye ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:07:00 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: RE: God njc Kate wrote: > That is true hell.. I forgot to put in the imo > part... The phrase the 'beauty of god' for me > translates to the creation of life which when I > think about it is such a miracle... This includes > us, our loved ones, the actual feeling of love, > nature in all of its many manifestations, > etc... Because its so inclusive & simple (imo) I > forget sometimes that this is not everyone's > definition when I use the word god (which has so > many connotations that make the word pretty > meaningless at this point)... Because it is my > belief that 'god' is akin to our life force I > assume most have felt it without naming it as > such... It is only my personal belief system that > names it such... Clear as mud? More like clear as crystal! Thanks Kate, that's exactly the point I was trying to make. Religion and god is (to me) an intensely personal experience - - no two of which are ever the same, which is why I find it hard that anyone can speak for anyone else. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:23:02 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: God njc ron wrote: >hi colin > > > >>>>>>The most you can say is that you believe God exists. you >cannot possibly say God DOES exist. at least not without losing credibilty. > >mm - this is difficult - > > do i care about credibility with others? well, yes im human, & i am even >more of a wussy kind of person who doesnt like to be disliked. so, yes i do >care. > I wasn't emaning credibilty in the sense of being liked. You can like someone but have little respect for their thinking process. For a wise person, that lack of respect for th thinking process would not meann lack of respect for the person. > >but even more than i care about credibility with others, i care about >credibility within myself. internally & personally i have absolutely no >doubt that god exists. and that he has chosen to reveal himself to me >through christianity. > >& the point i would like to make is that however god may choose to reveal >himself to anyone else - hopefully it will be in as real a manner - to leave >that person in no doubt - as i am inno doubt. > > > > I understand where you are coming from with the above. however, what these two paragraphs show me is that you have enourmous faith-in your own judgement. we all have to have faith in ourselves but have it this extent is dangerous. we are fallible human beings and to believe otherwise is folly. No doubt also equals closed mind hence my comment regarding Emmet Fox and his take on the 'unforgiveable sin'. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 14:45:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: God njc Hell >Belief in god is all about faith (IMO). Some would say that proof in God denies faith, so proving that God exists is self-defeating!< Faith probably means different things to different people... To me faith means that someone believes something without needing proof & often it even means someone believes something without having had an actual experience of the thing that they believe... Imo, faith & proof exist within the realm of the mind... But we are more than our minds (again imo)... Just as we are more than our bodies... I guess the closest analogy I can think of to describe this god experience is the experience of love... I can believe in love even if I have not yet experienced it, or I can believe in love because I have actually experienced it... And then there may be some who do not believe love really exists at all... And nobody can be convinced of it because it is not something that can be proven... It is something that is not of the mind but the mind likes to try to define it... Which I guess is what I am trying to do here... :~} not to convince, just to express... Hmmm....spring fever I guess? It's a glorious day up here & its time to go back in it... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:48:04 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: njc how Bush (did not) win in 2000 I don't think the thousands of voters who were disenfranchised when some computer mistakenly called them "felons" were given due process. My understanding of this episode was that Katherine Harris explicitly authorized, in writing, the procedure that allowed people to be purged from the voter rolls based on *partial* matches to names of felons spit out by the computer. At 12:01 PM 3/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Yeah, there were objections (like the voter who was diverted away from road >construction by saw horses on her way to vote. She *DID* vote anyway). >Those saw horses were not about disenfranchisement; they were about >paranoia. > >My memory of it is that all of the objections were given due process. Every >one's request was heard according to the system laid down by the Framers. > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:59:10 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: NJC Prevaricating Prevaricators so crooked they could hide behind a corkscrew Here's a pretty interesting video from Move On of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld caught on national TV trying to deny that he ever said Iraq was an "imminent threat": http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:42:54 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC Colin> WMD's. we have them, many countries have them what right have we, whilst we hold on to ours and increase them, to insist that others don't have them? Our side have used them too......< Simple...cuz we are the amercins (or allies of) & they are the terrists... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:46:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Soft spots NJC Mike>I have a soft spot for Tony Blair (and GWB too). It is called the Dogger Bank. (A large sandbank off the british coast): anyone know the US equivalent?< Swampland in florida? Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:47:19 +0000 From: fauchja@comcast.net Subject: RE: how the election was stolen -- njc I always sum the who 2000 debacle up by quoting George Carlin. He says "If Governor Bush (W) does a good job, maybe we'll elect him president the next time." Fauchja - -- GUITAR GUY EXTRAORDINAIRE > I do too smurf... He is intelligent & a good orator which adds a whole > other dimension to is appearance... This is what I think made him > 'electable' to many voters... Oh my, between our current governor & gwb > I am looooonnnnnngggggiiiinnnnnggggg for someone who is articulate... > > >I think he resembles Abraham Lincoln, the last (only?) great > Republican. > --Smurf< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:53:34 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: What is reality? NJC --- Kate Bennett wrote: There was a good article (over a year > ago now), written > about how bush emulates reagan both politically > (obvious by looking at > his administration & their membership in pnac) & > image wise (his ranch > was a relatively recent purchase)... OK, I can't hold this in any longer. For those who agree that GWB looks like a chimp, and now that he emulates Reagan, well - here they are together! http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1001928/reviews.php?critic=all&sortby=default&page=1&rid=730750 ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:04:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: What is reality? NJC Bree >Bush ...He and his wife go to bed with the chickens...< Which as we all now know, there are more of than people!!!!!!!! That is amazing to me... Also that snails sleep for 3 years... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:08:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Know it all trivia, NJC >An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain.< LOL...is that why they put their head in the ground to avoid danger (unless that is a cartoon myth)... What the eyes does not see does therefore not exist? Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:15:18 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Now for something REALLY different Hello All- I have been cloaked for quite sometime due to lack of interest I guess. But I got a wild hair all of a sudden. I sent my deposit on for Jonifest (which could be some kinda record seeing how I am the king of procrastination only second to Nikki who is the QUEEN {no offence Smurph}) Anyways I have been wondering who all is planning on going? How many newbie's are we gonna have this year? I have been trying to get a musical agenda together for this year and plan on much more jamming around campus and looking forward to collaborating with many more people this year. If anyone is interested in doing something please contact me. I am bringing my Cajon again and Ashara is bringing my old one as well so if anyone needs percussion on their stuff I am happy to oblige. I have been working on some original music lately and in tunings. I hope I am strong enough to venture into that this year. Jack has moved off to New Mexico and will probably not be there this year, but who knows. It would be great to have an 88 key digital piano this year for some of the great pianists to play. I like them better to play on as well. If you have an 88 key digital piano and live driving distance to Oliveria, NY Jonifest WANTS YOU!!! I carried mine one year but I am way to old to lug it that far on a plane anymore. Besides those airline bastards are down to 50lb per bag or $100 overweight. Anyways I just was inspired to write to try to get off the glum of the universe right now and hopefully encourage more people to come out and play this summer. Leave all the bull shit of our lives behind and just party and play music and have tons O hugs. Best to all. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:28:13 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: RE: Scriptures and The Passion, NJC Hey list -- Just saw The Passion last night and it struck me as blatantly anti-semitic. But much worse, to me, is that this movie reads as blatantly anti-Jesus. Gibson used all the movie making tools at his disposal to make a gore-fest. I do not believe that this movie promotes love. Further, it he pockets a single dime in profits from this film, he is nothing but an inflammatory, bigoted, greedy hypocrite, IMO. Much love to all, David On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 02:03 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: >> Also..the Vatican put out a statement a few days ago >>> and said The Passion >>> WAS NOT anti-semetic. And people who thought that >>> is was must think that >>> the Gospels are also anti-Jewish. > >> On the other hand, just because the Vatican says the >> film isn't anti-semitic - Jeeezus, who are they to say >> so, and just because they say so, doesn't make it so. > > > Queen of queens... true...BUT....all denominations seem to be in > alignment that the movie is not anti-Jewish. But really the reason I > cited > this was because it points to the movie being scripture based. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:33:09 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: soft spots for meic NJC meic in barceloana wrote: <<>> and now moi: as a newly green (conditionally speaking) resident of the us of eh, i kenna help but attest to the fact that there are patches of quick sand in southern most jersey..and you know (canadian expression, a la joan)..it's like this, you're out there on some fabulous hike and you notice some funny coloured earth before you and ..well...it is a bit sandy and walkableonable and yet, whenst you step into the middle of it, you know what happens, before you know it you are up to your neck in guck. hmmm sound remotely familiar??? not sure how to explain that i was not impressed with the "fact" that on the canadian two dollar bill, as catherine said, has NOt been out in many many years, had the american flag on it????? please tell me this isnt true. major blick. Mags, still a Canadian, coming out of lurkdom ever so briefly... ;-))) xx ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:16:23 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > ...Children are going to school...the water is cleaner than it > has ever been. Most importantly.. the tyrant is put away. It would take a heartless person to say people should not have things like clean water, which is why the Bushies are using this as their latest manipulation. So... why aren't we helping EVERY country ruled by a dictator? (Although I shudder at the thought of all the killing and destruction that would come first if done the Bushie way.) The current "we're helping the people (aren't we good?)" is a false excuse for invading Iraq, used now because none of the other reasons we were given were true. I really hate it when people use lies and manipulation to get what they want and cover their misdeeds. And am disturbed when I see people fall for it. > I'm sure President Bush did not make this decision to go to war without many > a sleepless nights. What gives you this idea, Bree? Bush is an early to bed, early to rise kind of guy, who doesn't ponder or second-guess and who smugly thinks he's completely right in his decisions. (Isn't that why his fans like him so much?) None of that makes for sleepless nights. The only person in the administration I can imagine having some worries is military man Colin Powell since war for him wouldn't be just a video game. After watching an hour-long interview a couple months ago when Bush had the opportunity to discuss things that would be at least slightly emotional for other people, it was clear how stunted Bush is emotionally. Like, man, the dude is empty. Really good puppet material. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:02:44 -0500 From: dsk Subject: 60 minutes on CBS NJC Just watched Richard Clark on "60 Minutes" talking about his new book. I've read such stuff before about how the Bushies ignored what the Clinton administration told them about al Qaeda being the biggest threat. (Cover article in Time magazine from probably September 2002 comes to mind.) Clark worked for both administrations as a terrorism expert, so he'd be in a position to know what happened, but of course the Bushies will try to destroy him. They'll try, but I don't know how the Bush administration can deny certain FACTS (ooooohhh, I feel so Republican talking about FACTS!) such as: Bush was sworn in as president January 20, 2001; the first cabinet meeting on Iraq was February 1, 2001; the first cabinet meeting on al Qaeda and terrorism was September 4, 2001. That shows just how important al Qaeda was to the Bushies. The administration's talking head on "60 minutes", Stephen Hadley, says of course they were paying attention, but he's a lying wuss (oooohhh again I feel so Republican, now with the name-calling insults, but I refuse to do the school-boy sniggering most right-wing commentators making such "a funny" on tv or talk radio do; I do have my limits). So, for Midwest and West coast listers, I'd recommend seeing the show. To cleanse myself of this unpleasant momentary Republican tainting, I'm going to start rereading Al Franken's Lying Liars book. Now HE's funny! Very very funny even as he's making his points using... FACTS! Debra Shea, really in a pissy mood, which probably means something sexy to the Brits (really, doesn't almost everything? :-), but not to me ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:09:14 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: njc how Bush (did not) win in 2000 Oh I agree with you on that topic! As a guy who cleans mailing lists all day, I think using *partial* matches for the purpose of cleaning voter lists is very unethical. It's such a reckless way to treat the right to vote that Jefferson would never have approved. I think the practice incorrectly removed a whole bunch of people who have every right to vote. I agree with the assertion (made by others, not you Deb) that it affected registered voters of African descent more often that those of European descent. That part makes my skin crawl. Deciding on the criteria is far too important to be left to a single person. It is central to representational government, blah, blah, blah, etc. Shame on Harris. Agreed here in Covington, if anyone is keeping score. All the best, Jim > From: Deb Messling [mailto:messling@enter.net] > I don't think the thousands of voters who were disenfranchised when some > computer mistakenly called them "felons" were given due process. My > understanding of this episode was that Katherine Harris explicitly > authorized, in writing, the procedure that allowed people to be > purged from > the voter rolls based on *partial* matches to names of felons spit out by > the computer. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:13:32 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Know it all trivia, NJC Kate Bennett wrote: > > >An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain.< > > LOL...is that why they put their head in the ground to avoid danger > (unless that is a cartoon myth)... What the eyes does not see does > therefore not exist? No holes, but they do lower their head to the ground when in danger. Don't know what the "thinking" behind it is. Probably one ancestor ostrich did it and lived to tell the tale, and now they all do it. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:18:22 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: God njc Every fan of Graucho Marx knows there's no such thing as Sanity Clause. Ducking, Jim Someone posting from Bob Murphy's account said, >Smurfycopy@aol.com Clueless Catherine writes: << WHAT? No Easter Bunny?!? >> >You would have known that, Catherine, if you had paid attention to the > sanity clause. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:33:48 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: What is reality? NJC Randy Remote wrote: > > Political corruption. Kind of like the Vice President's company, > Halliburton getting those billion dollar deals. (Notice I did not say > former company, because he still recieves a stipend from them). And that stipend of $150,000 may be pocket change to Halliburton or Cheney, but it's more than most people in this country and probably the world see in a year, especially for not doing anything (not anything aboveboard anyway). And doesn't Cheney still have stock options, so the more Halliburton rips off U.S. citizens, the more he benefits? It's unlikely with Cheney in charge that there will be any changes in laws regarding U.S. companies having off-shore fake locations to avoid paying U.S. taxes, and there won't be much done about Halliburton's overcharging for their services, and of course Halliburton will get billion-dollar no-bid jobs from the current administration. Seems to me that before getting outraged about other countries' supposed "deals", we need to take a look at what's going on here, and work up a little outrage about that. Debra Shea, ahhh, once again feeling completely UN-Republican... what a relief, human again.... LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:48:15 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: ostrich behavior NJC Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:11:30 -0400 Reply-To: BKMACKAY@AOL.COM Sender: "National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line)" From: Barry Kent MacKay Subject: Re: Struthius query... Comments: To: ewinter@laplaza.org Dear Elizabeth, Ostriches will lay flat out, when on the nest, to avoid detection, with the head and neck stretched out on the surface of the (often sandy) ground, and no doubt this is the origin of the myth that they bury their heads in the sand. I used to say that as an artist I found all bird species to be beautiful, fascinating creatures, and if there was any bird that I might find less than attractive, it would not be the marabou or some species of vulture or other such candidate, but the ostrich. Then I actually saw wild ostriches, in Botswana, and changed my mind completely. They were wonderful. Their world is full of enemies and they're not so dumb as to bury their heads in the sand...it takes humans to even conceive of such a thing. Cheers, Barry Barry Kent MacKay 60 Crandall Drive Markham, ON, L3P 6L2 Canada Phone/Fax: 905 472 9731 In a message dated 96-07-01 15:54:38 EDT, you write: >Subj: Struthius query... >Date: 96-07-01 15:54:38 EDT > >Chatters -- > >With regards to the following comments on the word "struthious". I have >long wondered about the common folklore about ostriches sticking their >head in the sand. It's used as a vernacular image of what the >psycho-babble crowd would call "denial". If I just pretend it's there, >it will go away. (My most commonly used expression of the same notion is >to say "It's like leaky plumbing, it won't fix itself.") > >Anyhow, I'm sure there's some chatter(s) out there who know a good deal >more about ostrich behavior than I do. (My knowledge being limited to a >reading of a screenplay by a South African, set on an ostrich farm, where >a supporting character is killed by an agressive ostrich.) > >Do ostriches in fact stick their heads in the sand? And, if so, what (if >anything) has been surmised about the role/function of this behavior? > >Elizabeth Winter >Taos, New Mexico, USA >ewinter@plaza.orgs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:10:07 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Scriptures and The Passion, NJC WHo said this movie was made to PROMOTE love? IT depicts the last hours of HIS life.....HIS whole being depicts love. ANd why should not Mel Gibson make money from his movie? Everyone else on the planet does when they put a product out. Why should he be any different? And today this movie is close to grossing 300 million the biggest money maker of ALL time. R rated that is. There is nothing wrong..imo..with having or making money...lots of it..money is not in itself evil. Bree >From: David Marine >Reply-To: David Marine >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: RE: Scriptures and The Passion, NJC >Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:28:13 -0800 > >Hey list -- > >Just saw The Passion last night and it struck me as blatantly anti-semitic. >But much worse, to me, is that this movie reads as blatantly anti-Jesus. >Gibson used all the movie making tools at his disposal to make a gore-fest. >I do not believe that this movie promotes love. > >Further, it he pockets a single dime in profits from this film, he is >nothing but an inflammatory, bigoted, greedy hypocrite, IMO. > >Much love to all, > >David > >On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 02:03 PM, JMDL Digest wrote: > >>>Also..the Vatican put out a statement a few days ago >>>>and said The Passion >>>>WAS NOT anti-semetic. And people who thought that >>>>is was must think that >>>>the Gospels are also anti-Jewish. >> >>>On the other hand, just because the Vatican says the >>>film isn't anti-semitic - Jeeezus, who are they to say >>>so, and just because they say so, doesn't make it so. >> >> >>Queen of queens... true...BUT....all denominations seem to be in >>alignment that the movie is not anti-Jewish. But really the reason I >>cited >>this was because it points to the movie being scripture based. _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar  FREE! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:13:24 -0500 From: vince Subject: njc George Harrison, iR&R HOF VH1 is showing the R&R HOF induction and Jeff Lynne and Tom Petty are about to do the honors for George. I know I am going to cry, especially when Dhanni plays with them. No point to this post - Vinc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:29:47 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Now for something REALLY different -- NJC Paz, who left his long black hair in everyone's bathtub drain at last summer's Jonifest, writes: << I am the king of procrastination only second to Nikki who is the QUEEN {no offence Smurph}) >> No offence taken, bitch! There's always so much to see and do at Jonifest, I encourage everyone to go. I will be there if I find work -- and lots of it -- so let's all pray for me (unless you'd rather not see me there because you're Republican, like Debra). One thing I missed at Jonifest '03 was Jimmy's performance. He apparently sounds a bit like a horse because everyone was saying that Jimmy sung like a Clydesdale. XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:33:39 +0000 From: "Marja Tensen" Subject: HI hi hi hi hi Hi fellow listers- I am Marja (pron. 'mar-ya'), I am seventeen, and I love Joni Mitchell. I have a duo (The Schleps) that I think you all would really like. If you live near Pasedena, please check us out on Tuesday, March 24. It's going to be at the Equator, a cafi (at 22 Mills Place). Music will start around 7:30pm, and admission is free, all ages. Another band, outer seventh, will be playing some spacey indie rock after us. Thanks, Marja _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:39:25 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Now for something REALLY different Paz also writes: << if anyone needs percussion on their stuff I am happy to oblige >> What a ho. Pins you in a corner and he won't take "No." - -- Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:45:13 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC > > I'm sure President Bush did not make this decision to go to war without >many > > a sleepless nights. > >What gives you this idea, Bree? Bush is an early to bed, early to rise >kind of guy, who doesn't ponder or second-guess and who smugly thinks >he's completely right in his decisions. (Isn't that why his fans like >him so much?) None of that makes for sleepless nights. But have you not ever had to make a decision ..one that you knew that was right and had to be done..but still kept you awake at night? Yes..anybody in any kind of managerial or position of power ..should.. if any good.. be confident in their decision making. He's not a waffler that is for sure. So I will give you that know one knows for sure..except his wife..what kind of nights he had during this period when we invaded Iraq. But with the gravity ..and knowing that innocent people would die..I'm thinking there would surely be a restless night or two..three... Bree >Debra Shea _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms  all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:45:59 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: HI hi hi hi hi Welcome Marja! So glad you could make it here. Cool another youthful disciple - and a musican at that. Well Marja good luck with the gig and let us know how it goes. Perhaps if there are any listers in the area they will drop by and meet up with you. Write more about your passion for Joni and tell us how you got hooked. Marja - say this to yourself everyday - Jonifest Jonifest Jonifest! And then ask us what thats all about and we hope to see you there! Woo hooo the beat goes on ... Peace, Susan Marja Tensen wrote: Hi fellow listers- I am Marja (pron. 'mar-ya'), I am seventeen, and I love Joni Mitchell. I have a duo (The Schleps) that I think you all would really like. If you live near Pasedena, please check us out on Tuesday, March 24. It's going to be at the Equator, a cafi (at 22 Mills Place). Music will start around 7:30pm, and admission is free, all ages. Another band, outer seventh, will be playing some spacey indie rock after us. Thanks, Marja _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:52:13 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: njc: Stereophile on Brian Stoltz: **** out of 5 possible - ---------------- April 2004 Stereophile, page 196-7. There's a triple review of 3 albums by New Orleans artists. The first is The Meters' FIYO AT THE FILMORE. The second is by "Papa Grows Funk" entitled SHAKIN'. The third is EAST OF RAMPART STREET by honorary JMDLer, Brian Stoltz. Besides playing guitar for Paz at the fundraiser for the Ruth Paz Foundation in 2000, Brian's been in several iterations of the Funky Meters and played on Bob Dylan's OH MERCY album. With apologies to the Publisher, here's the review by John Swenson of EAST OF RAMPART STREET. - -- On his solo album, EAST OF RAMPART STREET, Brian Stoltz is backed by an all-star lineup from both of these (aforementioned) great groups: Gros and Peter V from Papa Grows Funk, and his own bandmates, Porter and Art Neville, who delivers super-funky vocals on "Jungle Funk" and "Funky Forever." Ivan Neville chips in on keyboards, and Doug Belote and Eddie Perret lay down the drum tracks, with Crescent City sensation Irene Sage adding soulful vocal accompaniment. Stoltz show the full range of his musicianship on this varied album, singing and playing guitar, bass, and various percussion instruments, and programming drum loops. - -- Gees, he couldn't find room on even one track for bouzouki?! It is available now at www.cdbaby.com All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu np: Joni's "River" on LP ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:37:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 60 minutes njc Did anyone see tonight's interview with Richard Clark on 60 minutes? Unfeckingbelievable...this has got to be the most inside & incriminating information regarding the bush administration's pre & post 9/11 actions to date: 'Clark was Bush's top official on counter-terrorism (&) an adviser to four presidents' (Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr)... "He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11," Clarke told CBS...(&) said Bush's decision to invade Iraq had strengthened terror groups.' http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=46130 87§ion=news It was chilling & very very sad to realize, once again, that all of this (9/11, war in Iraq) very likely was avoidable... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:38:07 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Know it all trivia, NJC I'm sorry, Laura, but just because someone says there is a kneecap, doesn't make it so.... RR, taking it too far LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > An anatomy question... cool. The kneecap is imbedded in a big tendon > that originates in the large bundle of muscles on the front of the thigh > (quadriceps femoris) and attaches the shin bone (tibia). The function of the kneecap > is to increase the functional power of this bundle of thigh muscles by ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:57:57 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: RE: how the election was stolen -- njc >> --Smurf PS: W also looks like a chimp.< > > LOL, there is a website dedicated to this very idea, called the smirking > chimp... http://www.smirkingchimp.com/ You know what the REALLY funny thing is about this? It lends a lot of support to the theory of evolution. : D Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:11:39 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Bush's "faith" NJC PC > But with the gravity ..and knowing that innocent people would die..I'm > thinking there would surely be a restless night or two..three... That's so sweet, Bree. Maybe you're right. On the other hand ... Nah. I don't think he missed a wink. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:14:05 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: HI hi hi hi hi Hi Marja! I don't live near Pasadena, but one of my best friends in the world does, and I'll try to convince her to go! Best of luck and have a great gig! Lori, near DC > Hi fellow listers- > > I am Marja (pron. 'mar-ya'), I am seventeen, and I love Joni Mitchell. I > have a duo (The Schleps) that I think you all would really like. If you live > near Pasedena, please check us out on Tuesday, March 24. It's going to be at > the Equator, a cafi (at 22 Mills Place). Music will start around 7:30pm, and > admission is free, all ages. Another band, outer seventh, will be playing > some spacey indie rock after us. > > Thanks, > Marja ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:18:12 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: God, njc Kate wrote: Because its so inclusive & simple (imo) I forget sometimes that this is not everyone's definition when I use the word god (which has so many connotations that make the word pretty meaningless at this point)... Because it is my belief that 'god' is akin to our life force I assume most have felt it without naming it as such... It is only my personal belief system that names it such... Clear as mud? Hi Kate, I can't help but think of AA when I read this. One of the most important things for Bill W. in the beginning of founding AA was to realize that he didn't have to believe in God as other people believe. He only had to acknowledge that there are things more powerful than himself... that everything was not up to him, that a power or powers greater than himself existed. The term "God" is used in AA, but not without also emphasizing "of your own understanding." I think it is neat that you understand God as being "our life force." I clearly see how it is your belief system to name this "God." The God of my understanding is not our life force though. My God is a person by the name of Angi. I talked to her over the phone tonight like I do every night. She is the only person who knows everything about me. She wasn't feeling very good tonight so we didn't talk long, and her kids were crying too so she had to go. But, I got to talk to her, and she told me to do some things, and I am obedient to her with my life so I try to do whatever she tells me to do. I would even go out and get drunk if she told me to despite the fact that I'm in AA because I have a desire to stop drinking. She's a Christian, a Lutheran, and doesn't have a problem with being my God and doesn't abuse the authority she has over me. Some might think I'm a fool for rather blindly following my God or even for believing in her. Some might even condemn me for having a human God, a woman at that. Still, I have no false Gods before her, don't take her name in vain, and I keep holy her day today, this one day at a time. The word God is not meaningless to me... it means Angi. There's no power in my life greater than her... I feel so privileged that every night, I can talk to my God and thank her over the phone. She brings me so much joy and sanity and never ceases to amaze me. My God is an awesome God, she reigns over my heaven and earth... with wisdom, power, and love my God is an awesome God! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:34:43 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: njc how Bush (did not) win in 2000 Lama wrote: > If Bush wins this time it will remind us of how difficult it is to unseat > the incumbent. Remember November 1972? Nixon had a wildly unpopular war > going full blast and it was widely thought that CREP (the Committee to > re-elect the President) had hired burglars to steal documents from the > Democrat HQ. The headline: "Incumbent Wins Landslide". 1972. 32 years ago. Things were very different then, Jim. The U.S. was fighting the "commies" in 'Nam. Our grandparents and parents, whose views were greatly influenced by WWI and WWII and the garbage spewed by Joe McCarthy, were the people doing most of the voting. "Our" generation was struggling with support for, if not outright protesting against, the war. Not many of us -- not nearly enough -- were old enough to vote yet. (In 1972 I was having tearful arguments with my father about the war, but I was only 14 and unable to vote.) Fast forward to the present: > The objections to Iraq seem like small potatoes to me by comparision Whoa. Full stop. What are you comparing? Body counts? Please keep in mind that we are at the BEGINNING of this war. No one knows how long it might last. In any case, a dead son or daughter is just as tragically dead to his or her parents (whether they're in the U.S. or in Iraq or anywhere else). > and not many seem aware that the economy has been completely off its rails for > awhile now. The economy being in the toilet is not Bush's fault -- the boom of the 90s was bound to bust; it's the economic cycle. The problem is that voters perceive that he's out of touch and is giving only lip service, and not real attention, to the problems of the unemployed. > My prediction: "Incumbent Wins Landslide". My prediction? Sad and frightening as it would be, I believe this adminstration is fully capable and willing to stage a "terrorist attack" in order to rally Americans around the president again. As if Bush responded to 9/11 in a manner other than ANY president would have responded. Stayed tuned ... and don't be surprised. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:38:33 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Know it all trivia, NJC In a message dated 3/21/04 10:40:04 PM Central Standard Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: I'm sorry, Laura, but just because someone says there is a kneecap, doesn't make it so.... RR, taking it too far LOL!!! But there really is a tree on the Wizard of Oz... I saw him on TV the other day. No chimp swinging from his branches though... The chimp went out to the country to find a private club where he could rest in peas. It's all real, right? It's all all right... really ain't it? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:57:00 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: Re: Scriptures and The Passion, NJC On Sunday, March 21, 2004, at 07:10 PM, Bree Mcdonough wrote: > WHo said this movie was made to PROMOTE love? IT depicts the last > hours of HIS life.....HIS whole being depicts love. In your heart his whole being may depict love but on the screen his body serves as a canvas for the goriest of special effects make-up. Movies are about image and the images in this movie are gratuitously, mercenarily, and inflammatorily graphic. IMO > ANd why should not Mel Gibson make money from his movie? Everyone > else on the planet does when they put a product out. Why should he > be any different? Mel Gibson has plenty of money. I imagine Jesus, were he chatting with me, might say that he thinks it would be a good thing to take this money (that Gibson has made in the name of Jesus) and give it to starving children. But then, that is just my imagination. George Michael has announced that he has made enough money and will now be offering his music for free, on-line, with only a suggestion that the downloader give to a list of charities. This to me is a spiritual and charitable act, and while Gibson is free to do as he wishes, it is not true that everybody on the planet makes or demands money when they put a "product" out. > > And today this movie is close to grossing 300 million the biggest > money maker of ALL time. R rated that is. Yes, well, then the profits could certainly save many lives. > There is nothing wrong..imo..with having or making money...lots of > it..money is not in itself evil. > Bree I never made any statement indicating that I believed that there is anything wrong with making or having lots of money, or that money is evil. David > > > > >> From: David Marine >> Reply-To: David Marine >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: RE: Scriptures and The Passion, NJC >> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:28:13 -0800 >> >> Hey list -- >> >> Just saw The Passion last night and it struck me as blatantly >> anti-semitic. But much worse, to me, is that this movie reads as >> blatantly anti-Jesus. Gibson used all the movie making tools at his >> disposal to make a gore-fest. I do not believe that this movie >> promotes love. >> >> Further, it he pockets a single dime in profits from this film, he is >> nothing but an inflammatory, bigoted, greedy hypocrite, IMO. >> >> Much love to all, >> >> David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:19:34 +1100 From: "Frank Caldwell" Subject: Broken Drum-Stick I Was Watching Shadows And Light (DVD) Last Night And At The End Of Black Crow If You Watch Very Closely You Will See The Drummer(Don Alias) Break A Drum Stick.If You Use The Frame By Frame You Will Pick It Up. Just A Little Bit Of Trivia And Now Back To Lurkdom. I A K U O L (I AM KING UNDISPUTED OF LURKDOM) FRANK IN SYDNEY frankcal@bigpond.net.au ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #122 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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