From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #117 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 19 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 117 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Spectrum, Philadelphia, 1976 and Christians ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: movie diversity, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: movie diversity, NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: politics in religion, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: John Kelly show [Michael Paz ] Re: movie diversity, NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: giant sucking sound, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] george harrison NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: movie diversity, NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: movie diversity, NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: movie diversity, NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Spectrum, Philadelphia, 1976 and Christians. NJC [Catherine McKay] Re: movie diversity, NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Bush's "faith" NJC [was Mel Gibson's movie] ["Kakki" ] Today's Library Links: March 19 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:09:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Spectrum, Philadelphia, 1976 and Christians Jerry >As for Christians (what?!), when I think of my most positive image of one, it is always Bob. He impresses by example, not lecture.< Amen to that! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:34:20 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Spectrum, Philadelphia, 1976 and Christians. NJC >And THAT being said, I just returned home with my son who had surgery this morning...nothing serious, and he's fine. Any prayers offered up for his healing will be heard and appreciated....The stronger my faith gets, the more the "church" becomes an obstacle to my relationship with God. Does that make sense?...for my boy, the person who has REALLY taught me what love is.< Bob, your post brought on tears, I will offer my prayers for your boy's quick healing... I know what you mean about how our kids teach us what love is... When my own son (who now is doing well) had his own medical crisis I during which I admited to a friend who is also a great spiritual wise person, that I would not hesitate one zillionth of a second to leave this world in order to insure that my son would live a healthy loving long life here... Because he is so wise, my friend said isn't that amazing, that is what is meant by the greatest love, giving your own life for another (paraphrase of that scripture) & for the first time I got it... & it also helped take me out of the fear place... I am also in tears because of your honest acknowledgement of your spiritual crisis & how sad that must be for you to see what is happening & how brave you are to make the change... I totally understand what you mean about the obstacle to god... my spiritual faith is at the core of my life yet I have never found a proper vessel for it in terms of a 'church' & have never felt as close to the source of all life as when it was just me, my heart & god in a quiet place... In a puddle, Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:53:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Bush's "faith" NJC PC Kakki >it's always been apparent how much some people here hate and fear Bush. It blows my mind sometimes< I don't hate him either & if he were not the president of this country i could care less about the dude... I do detest that he has the power he does & I do fear what he is doing along with the help of his administration... There are so many who feel this way in this country & around the world... It absolutely blows my mind that anyone not living in a cave could not on SOME level understand why people feel this way, even if they still were in support of bush... I can easily understand why some dislike kerry even though I don't... But blind allegience to any leader is a very very scary thing to me... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:55:52 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: movie diversity, NJC In a message dated 3/18/2004 3:47:54 PM Central Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > Too bad Jesus and the Holy Romans didn't break out in a Joni > song - maybe then we'd have the recording! :~) > Then again, he probably would've sung Elton's "Take me to the > Pilate"...(insert groan). > > Bob, just trying to lighten up the party a bit > Hi Bob! LOL I can see Jesus singing Joni songs and dancing; don't know about the Holy Romans though... If it was truly a party I'd want to go to, we'd be singing in France They Kiss on Mainstreet, dancing, and really raising Jesus from the dead. Maybe at the Fest in August? If you were going to try to encourage Joni to come to the Fest, what would you say? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:27:23 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: movie diversity, NJC "If you were going to try to encourage Joni to come to the Fest, what would you say?" Cigarettes are on the house! LOL Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:32:11 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: politics in religion, NJC Bob wrote: > That being said, I am having a bit of a spiritual crisis these days. The > Methodist Church that I've been attending for over 20 years has turned into > a > seething mess of behind-the-scenes politics, fund-raising, hypocritical > behavior > and private agenda. Hi Bob! Love those Methodists! They can really sing!!! My husband is Methodist, so I feel half Methodist. Wink. I met my husband at the Methodist college we both attended. Politics really suck the life out of churches sometimes. I've experienced its ill effects at my church, but there's something more powerful than politics there too. I no longer feel like I'm engaging in any kind of "worship" > experience on > Sunday mornings, but rather putting in 2 hours to support a business. Eeeeeeeey. Have you talked to your pastor about this? I'm not sure how to resolve it, but I think with the weather turning > > prettier I may just take a break from "religion" and retreat on Sunday mornings to > the local park to read/study and pray. Sounds like a plan! I have a screened in, open air chapel my husband built for us in a quiet place in our woods where I do this kind of thing. I can spend hours there, and love to play flute with the birds chirping and the squirrels running, etc. > And THAT being said, I just returned home with my son who had surgery this > morning...nothing serious, and he's fine. Any prayers offered up for his > healing > will be heard and appreciated. You got it! > The stronger my faith gets, the more the "church" becomes an obstacle to my > relationship with God. Does that make sense? Yes, that does make sense. Church is a definite challenge in my experience. I've learned a lot of charity in dealing with the people at my church. I've had people in my church do things that were far from Christian to me. If divinity was not mixing with the humanity in the pews, I'd be long gone. I find some consolation in remembering that Jesus didn't come for healthy people but rather for the sick. So, I kind of expect people at church to be sick, kind of like walking into a hospital and expecting to find sick people. That said, if things get too heavy for me, I always leave. There's no lock on the doors keeping me in, and there are plenty of other churches around if I need them. God is merciful and provides. > Anyway, sorry to turn this into a blog but I wanted to share a bit with you > > all who are actually my best friends. Awwwwwww! > OK, off to the pharmacy to get some pain meds for my boy, the person who > has > REALLY taught me what love is. This is very dear. Please, keep me posted on how he is doing. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:37:47 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: John Kelly show > I plead the 5th as he may have changed something after the fact. Altho he was > quite specfic in his request for the show before this one that he was > preparing for. Kakki is the one who told him to contact me regarding the VG. > He had purchased the VG-88 which in my opinion is not as good as the VG-8. I > think I was able to program the ones that I did and remain true to the sound > of an acoustic guitar without the Joni Chorus like sound of TTT and in the > pitches he requested. While I am still the #1 fan of the VG-8 there is nothing > like an acoustic guitar tuned to Joni tuning #____, but there is nothing like > a VG-8 to go from one to other without having to tune forever or ruin a guitar > or strings in the process. > > Best > Paz > > NP-THE NEW SUBDUDES RECORD YAY!!!!! > > > Paz wrote: >> I did do some programming for his VG-8 as well as acquire it for him. > Aha! It was you, Paz !!! > > I think a couple of the tunings were different from those on the JMDL guitar > tab data base. Was that your doing ? > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:57:34 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: movie diversity, NJC Muller writes: << Cigarettes are on the house! LOL >> Eeeeeeeew! You mean people actually smoke at Jonifest? Not me and my buds Jody and Lucy! - --Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:02:30 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: giant sucking sound, NJC Debra wrote: > For the record, I don't hate Bush. I think he's unqualified to be > President, and this administration is so obviously reckless with the way > they spend government money and waste people's lives, that it's a danger > to us all. Hi Debra, Let me be counted with you as one who doesn't hate Bush; I voted for Bush. I think he is qualified in many ways and falls short in many others. As for what you say here about recklessness, spending and wasting and danger. This is exactly why I won't vote for Bush again. I was just discussing this with my husband... the giant sucking sound of our money and military toward Iraq. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:55:59 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: george harrison NJC did any listers catch the george harrison tribute concert on pbs? well, for those who did, i hope you enjoyed it as much as i. just the clapton solos was worth staying up late. throw in paul mc cartney, ringo starr, jim capaldi, tom petty and the heartbreakers, jeff lyne, billy preston, ravi sanker, and others ---wow!!! all the songs that were played were written by george. so there was a mini reunion of the BEATLES!! and The Travelling Willberrys. it was a real treat. And for those of you who missed it, check put great performances on pbs for re-broadcasts. it's worth it. i'm buying the dvd. take care gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:47:20 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: movie diversity, NJC --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > LOL I can see Jesus singing Joni songs and > dancing; don't know about > the Holy Romans though... If it was truly a party > I'd want to go to, we'd be > singing in France They Kiss on Mainstreet, dancing, > and really raising Jesus > from the dead. Maybe at the Fest in August? If you > were going to try to > encourage Joni to come to the Fest, what would you > say? And then there's the South Park episode of Jesus and Santa singing songs about themselves in a bar... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:51:47 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: movie diversity, NJC Catherine the Great writes: << And then there's the South Park episode of Jesus and Santa singing songs about themselves in a bar... >> I think if he sang a Joni song it would have to be "My Old Man." - --Court ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:53:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: movie diversity, NJC --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Catherine the Great writes: > > << And then there's the South Park episode of Jesus > and > Santa singing songs about themselves in a bar... >> > > I think if he sang a Joni song it would have to be > "My Old Man." > > --Court Court?!? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:58:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Spectrum, Philadelphia, 1976 and Christians. NJC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > I am having a bit of a spiritual > crisis these days. The > Methodist Church that I've been attending for over > 20 years has turned into a > seething mess of behind-the-scenes politics, > fund-raising, hypocritical behavior > and private agenda. I no longer feel like I'm > engaging in any kind of "worship" > experience on Sunday mornings, but rather putting in > 2 hours to support a > business. I'm not sure how to resolve it, but I > think with the weather turning > prettier I may just take a break from "religion" and > retreat on Sunday mornings > to the local park to read/study and pray. That sucks, Muller, But nothing wrong with taking a break. I'm pretty sure God would rather be in the park on Sunday anyway, esp. in good weather. > And THAT being said, I just returned home with my > son who had surgery this > morning...nothing serious, and he's fine. Any > prayers offered up for his healing > will be heard and appreciated. We prayed together > before his surgery, and as > I held him & prayed I knew that my spirituality has > not weakened nor my faith, > but only my faith in religious institutions. The > stronger my faith gets, the > more the "church" becomes an obstacle to my > relationship with God. Does that > make sense? I do think "churches" are the biggest obstacle to faith, so you won't get any argument from me - the trouble with 'em is... there's PEOPLE there! Best wishes for your son that he heals quickly. It's hard to see your kid go through that stuff, no matter how not-serious it might be. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:25:18 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: movie diversity, NJC Catherine queries: << Court?!? >> Yes, Court. - --Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:06:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Bush's "faith" NJC [was Mel Gibson's movie] Hi Lori - you wrote: > I don't hate Bush, but I do fear him (and I know I'm not in any sort of > minority). Kakki, I'm curious as to what makes you wonder at that? It would take too long to answer. In general, I wonder (maybe a better word is bafflement) how people can look at the same events and come to such extremely different conclusions ALL the time. I have no problem with honest criticisms and opposition, based on fact and analysis. A lot of what I read I later find to be not true, or incredible, conspiratorial or speculation. I don't have blind allegiance to Bush, I certainly don't see him as all wonderful and everything's coming up daisies, but I sure don't see anyone else out there who seems to have any kind of a realistic plan for the problems we face. And that's a shame. I know a few here will want to flame me for this because they think their take on it all is the absolute truth and that all sorts of plans have been put forth by Bush's opposition. I honestly just don't see it. And instead of continuing to get flamed by those who think I am lying, all I can offer to the discussion at this point is that my mind must just process it all differently that theirs' do. Bascially, I wonder at the vast disconnect between interpretations. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:14:26 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Mel Gibson's movie njc I have not seen the movie and have had time only for very quick perusing of the list in the last few weeks or so... the whole "christian thing" that bugs me the most is that its the "my god is better than yours" that arises... when is it not a sin to be boastful?.... It is also worth remembering that Christianity, Judaism and Islam, are three revealed religions that share the same ideals and wishes...one way or another. But I think it is vain and ignorant to assume that society is only "this way" or "That way" bacause of the morals put in place by religion.. If you have a secular society (pretty much impossible as we are all tainted with one ingrained belief or another) there is entirely the liklihood that the core morals that will arise will be those that were snatched and put into the tomes that are wielded by the "religions". I think all people should be free to worship what they want. There should, however, be no link between religion and state. To "do things in the name of GOD" or to claim to be "holder of the one truth" is beyond all reason. We each of us carry the seeds to do so much good in the world and we should do it because we are good people, not because our chosen god told us to, or for fear of retribution if we dont. NO one will ever convince me about BUSH (sorry Kakki) but then closer to home (though hardly relevant since Bush is pulling the strings of our foreign policy in Iraq) our own Prime Minister is a pathetic man who cannot lead our country anywhere even if he had us on leads!! Late for work and ranting as I go Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:29:06 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 19 On March 19 the following articles were published: 1967: "Interview with Gene Shay" - WMMR (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=609 1998: "Representatives All Agree on Tour" - Ticketmaster Live Daily website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=384 2000: "Joni Mitchell carries a torch" - Toronto Sun (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=471 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #117 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)