From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #115 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 18 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 115 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Gwb god complex njc ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: Smurfy - NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni, Janet, Joni in Fiction & JMDLand njc [Catherine McKay ] Scriptures and The Passion, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Swan Song ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Today's Library Links: March 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] SMURPHYYYYYYYY...NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:45:06 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Gwb god complex njc Kate B sez: > "Bush believes he was called by God to lead the nation at this time, > says Commerce Secretary Don Evans, a close friend who talks with Bush > every day." > (i lost the link but if you google this quote you can find it easily) > > > 2)'The Rev. Tony Evans, a Dallas pastor and Promise Keepers leader who > has been a Bush confidant, told the Dallas Morning News: "One of the > impetuses for his considering running for president was the biblical > teaching he's been hearing. He feels God is talking to him."' > Hmmm. And Kerry believes unspecified "foreign leaders" are talking to him. Of the two sets of confidantes, I'll take GWB's...thank you. Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:38:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Smurfy - NJC Troybob! Welcome home! You have been greatly missed & I love how you reappeared on st patty's day! Are you a leprechaun too? I agree with the golden poster award for catherine! She makes me laugh every single day! As do you! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:38:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni, Janet, Joni in Fiction & JMDLand njc --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Hello! > > Begosh and begorrah, it's St. Paddy's Day and I hope > you're all feelin' just > a little green today. (I am! I'm going to see The > Chieftains tonight at > Symphony Hall in Boston, thanks to a much-loved JMDL > sister!) > > Well, my long national nightmare of computer > problems and ISP hassles is > finally over! Woo-hoo! (Bad news? I am still unable > to escape the evil clutches of > AOL. Long story.) It has now been more than 3 months > since I was an active > JMDLer. As Judy Collins once thoughtfully asked, who > knows where the time goes . > . . Welcome back, Mr Murphy - it's bloody about time you came back! > I have noticed lots of new people posting here, so > I'll (re)introduce myself. > My name is Bob M -- just like someone *else* on the > list, so I am going by > "Smurf" or "Troy" or "Handsome" in order to avoid > confusion. I am 27 years old > and I have a swimmer's build. My hobbies are helping > people, competing in > Ironman events, and counting my piles of money. Oh, OK, if you're 27, I'm.... 27 also! for another couple of weeks anyway. And, aww, shucks, darn, thanks for the compliments. You always were a silver-tongued devil! > > Finally, like any civilized human, I was shocked and > angered by the Madrid > bombings. But what really surprised me was how > "connected" to it I felt because > of the people from Spain I have come to know here. > So that's a good thing > about the JMDL, I think -- the feeling it gives me > (us?) of being a part of the > whole earth, and a heightened awareness of how our > actions can affect so many > others on this planet. I am happy to know that none > of us fell victim to this > carnage, yet saddened to realize that, in the end, > we are all its victims. Very well said (as always). I agree with you about the jmdl - I feel more than ever a citizen of the world when I come to this place. It's very special. If only the rest of the world were like here - maybe if we play Joni music in great big loudspeakers all over the world (LOL). I had to change the subject line to njc though, because the really fun people are on the njc list (psst, don't tell the joni-onlies!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:47:38 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Gwb god complex njc buckpennington@yucca.net writes: << And Kerry believes unspecified "foreign leaders" are talking to him. Of the two sets of confidantes, I'll take GWB's...thank you. >> You poor man! How could you have any doubt at all that foreign leaders would prefer to see this dangerous man OUT of the White House? Please tell me you're kidding because otherwise you're scaring me. And as for these leaders being "unspecified," how could they be anything but? Kerry would be in for the dressing down of his life by everyone from the State Department to W if he released these names. Okay, I'll stop being political now. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:54:10 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Bush's "faith" NJC [was Mel Gibson's movie] "The Faith of George Bush", written by self-proclaimed Christian, Stephen Mansfield wrote: > In 1986, Bush responded to the Biblical conversion story of the > Apostle Paul on the road to Damascus by asking Jesus to be his friend, > and as a result he overcame a growing dependence upon alcohol and > turned to the Bible to save his marriage and his family. During his > presidential campaign, he brought leading pastors to his governor's > mansion to lay hands on him and pray for his future, telling them that > he had been "called" to seek higher office. There are a few steps (12 to be exact) that appear to be missing from his experience... I think if he had embraced this program we would see a very different man today... But this path takes work & self inventory (not just laying on of hands by others)... He may not be drinking but he is still delusional... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:23:36 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Gwb god complex njc >From: "Norman Pennington" >Reply-To: "Norman Pennington" >To: >Subject: Re: Gwb god complex njc >Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:45:06 -0700 > >Kate B sez: > > "Bush believes he was called by God to lead the nation at this time, > > says Commerce Secretary Don Evans, a close friend who talks with Bush > > every day." > > (i lost the link but if you google this quote you can find it easily) > > > > > > 2)'The Rev. Tony Evans, a Dallas pastor and Promise Keepers leader who > > has been a Bush confidant, told the Dallas Morning News: "One of the > > impetuses for his considering running for president was the biblical > > teaching he's been hearing. He feels God is talking to him."' > > > >Hmmm. And Kerry believes unspecified "foreign leaders" are talking to him. >Of the two sets of confidantes, I'll take GWB's...thank you. > >Best Regards, >bp If God is talking to GWB,I'm Joni Mitchell... _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:42:43 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Scriptures and The Passion, NJC Hi Y'all, I have a friend who is working on a doctorate in scriptures at Marquette University and asked him for some input on The Passion. I thought his opinion was interesting so here it is below. Love, Laura "Not knowing the specific questions your friends have been discussing, I can only speak at a general level. Is this movie in keeping with the Scriptures? Yes, I think so. The movie is not a completely adequate account of the passion--but for that matter, none of the four inspired gospels is a completely adequate account: that's why we have four and not just one. Another thing one must notice about the gospels is that they not only report what happened, but subtly interpret what is happening as they tell it. When Luke speaks about Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane he describes Jesus as being in "agov", a Greek word which can also refer to athletic contests. In other words, Jesus was struggling hard in a contest. Against whom did he struggle? Earlier in Luke's Gospel, at the end of the temptation in the desert (4:13), Luke says that the devil departed from Jesus "until an opportune time". By choosing his words and phrasing carefully, Luke lets us know that Jesus is struggling against Satan in the Garden, even though Satan did not appear physically in the Garden. Mel Gibson's movie needs to do the same thing. Watching a mere videotape of the passion would leave us in about the same position as the disciples who were there, and didn't understand anything of what they saw until much later, after the resurrection. But how can Gibson accomplish what Luke accomplished by choice of words and phrasing when Gibson is telling his story with film, which uses sight instead hearing as the medium of communication? His solution (which he gets from Ann Catherine Emmerich) is to incorporate symbols in the movie. So in the Garden of Gethsemane, Gibson has Satan actually present, trying to tempt Jesus, sending a snake out to Jesus. When Jesus stands up and stomps on the snake, the message is clear: Jesus just won a struggle with Satan. This is how Gibson accomplishes what Luke's Gospel does with word choices and phrasing. So Gibson's movie is not "faithful to the gospels" in the sense that none of the gospels record an actual snake in the garden. But it is faithful to the gospels in that it interprets the gospels the way the gospels interpret the passion, and in its interpretation is faithful to the meaning of the gospels." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:10:34 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Swan Song Here's a quiz question for newbies. Which of Joni's albums was recorded under the working title, "Swan Song"? Hint: the 2nd working title had the word "A" in it which she later dropped. All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:00:39 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 18 On March 18 the following articles were published: 1989: "Rock, Jazz Stars, Indians Record Song To Save Rain Forests" - Associated Press (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1110 1998: "Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison will join Dylan on West Coast tour" - San Diego Union-Tribune (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=322 2003: "Marathon concert honours Joni Mitchell" - CBC (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1066 2003: "The Cat Power experience" - North Carolina State University Technician (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1067 2003: "They're Looking at Joni from All Sides Now" - New York Post (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1068 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:40:34 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: SMURPHYYYYYYYY...NJC Welcome home sweetheart... You are soooo much the home coming queen!!!! Thank heaven you are still here with us and I appreciate your mails that you have sent me over the last few months when time has permitted..... as you know you are 70% dixie and I am 66% dixie so that makes you and me 136% and that is only cos we have given up smoking.... I have to agree with you about Ms McKay's writing, she is totally brilliant, witty, funny, ascerbic and far too talented to be in an office all the time... Anyway Its early here I was going to take the dog out but now have to think about getting on with the day..... Love to you, welcome back to the list,..OH ALL YOU NEWBIES you wait... the bad man is back in town!!!! Oh and smurph... dont you dare lie about your age like that.. 27!!!! You are 25, like me!!!! Queen Lu ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #115 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)