From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #114 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 17 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 114 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: And then there was this.njc ["A. Millington" ] Joni on the radio njc ["A. Millington" ] Unrealeased Songs ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: A Case of You [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Mel Gibson's movie njc {FW: Chronicle article: 'The Passion': They Know Not What They Watch} ["Richard Flynn"] Re: movie diversity, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Unreleased Songs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Prince of Peace, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Lucy the diamond star, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] mondegreens and typos ["Mark Tatum" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #113 [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: mondegreens and typos njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: mondegreens and typos [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Case of You [Kate ] Fwd: Crocus in the sunlight...NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: A Case of You now Pi in the Sky vljc [Catherine McKay ] NJC mondegreens and typos ["Mark Tatum" ] Re: NJC mondegreens and slingshots [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: NJC mondegreens and slingshots ["Richard Flynn" ] Bush's "faith" NJC [was Mel Gibson's movie] [dsk ] Re: movie diversity, NJC [Randy Remote ] RE: Bush's tactics NJC [was Gill in Madrid] (PC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Gwb god complex njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni, Janet, Joni in Fiction & JMDLand NJC [dsk ] Jonifest 2004 [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:49:05 +1100 From: "A. Millington" Subject: Re: And then there was this.njc ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine Harris To: ; Ashley Millington Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: And then there was this. Smart Radio A lady bought a new $100,000 Mercedes and proudly drove it off the showroom floor to take home. Halfway home, she attempted to change radio stations and saw that there appeared to be only one station. She immediately turned around and headed back to the dealer. Once at the dealer, she found her salesman and began to excitedly explain that her radio was not working, and they must replace it since she only had one radio station. The salesman calmed her down and told her that her car radio was voice-activated, and that she would only need to state aloud the type of music that she wanted and the car would find it. She got into the car and started the engine and then said the word "country," and the radio changed to a station playing a George Strait song. She was satisfied and started home. After a while she decided to try out the radio and said "rock 'n' roll;" the radio station changed and a song by the Rolling Stones came from the speakers. Quite pleased, the woman continued driving. and "Decent music?"..and Joni came on! A few blocks from her house, another driver ran a light causing her to slam on her brakes to avoid a collision. The woman angrily exclaimed, "A**hole!" ...The radio cut over to George Bush's press conference. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:51:43 +1100 From: "A. Millington" Subject: Joni on the radio njc This from my friend who has a daily 2 hour afternoon radio show here in Tasmania ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine Harris To: A. Millington Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: Joni Mitchell Hello there, "Big Yellow Taxi" is on my playlist for tomorrow!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:21:33 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Unrealeased Songs Joni, Please, can you give us these songs. >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 00:10:04 -0800 >From: "Marian Russell" >Subject: Unreleased Songs recordings? >From the list of unreleased songs at www.jonimitchell.com, I found a fair >number >that I have never heard before. Do recordings of these songs exist? : Ballad In Blue CARA'S CASTLE DAISY SUMMER PIPER Endless Summer Free Darling GEMINI TWIN HERE TODAY, GONE TOMORROW I WON'T CRY JEREMY Julie's Mom Kelly Lazy Summer LOVE IS LIKE A BIG BRASS BAND MIDNIGHT COWBOY SONG, THE MIDSUMMER MORNING MOON IN THE MIRROR POOR SAD BABY Song To A Daydreamer STRAW-FLOWER ME What Will You Give Me WHO HAS SEEN THE WIND >Marian _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:18:37 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of You Kate du Nord wrote: "oh i wish i had permission to forward the email i just received about joni's heyday being in her youth, her best work done then, etc, and diana krall singing a case of you better than joni herself. it is to laugh!" Kate, since ACOY may be my favorite Joni song of all time, I am hardly disagreeing with you. However, Diana's version on the TNT Joni Tribute concert was a fantastic cover - some real magic in that performance. And, what I found especially appealing was that it was an "interpretive" type of cover, rather than a "copying" type of cover, if you get my drift. It is my favorite cover of ACOY among the dozen or so (tops - probably fewer) I have heard. Thirtysomething more to go before I sleep. :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:38:12 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Re: Mel Gibson's movie njc {FW: Chronicle article: 'The Passion': They Know Not What They Watch} This is a very thoughtful article from this mornings Chronicle of Higher Ed. - -----Original Message----- From: rflynn@frontiernet.net [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:34 AM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net Subject: Chronicle article: 'The Passion': They Know Not What They Watch An article from The Chronicle of Higher Education was forwarded to you by: rflynn@frontiernet.net This article, "'The Passion': They Know Not What They Watch," is available online at this address: http://chronicle.com/temp/email.php?id=vb78z0yhxbe1290cyvh473bv527ybbg0 This article will be available to non-subscribers of The Chronicle for up to five days after it is e-mailed. 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Interesting thought. I guess I was mentally ill when I was pregnant because I was obsessed with watching violent movies... really I think it was all that progesterone because after giving birth, I lost the obsession. But it sure was fun while it lasted! My questioning thought has been... a movie about Jesus that is rated R? I imagine if another movie about Jesus was made that focused on other parts of the scriptures and painted a vivid picture of these warranting an R rating, people who support the Gibson movie might create a stir to get the film out of the theatres, and the film might be more attended by people who aren't going to the Gibson movie. I would prefer going to a comedy with my children but have no qualm about what movies other people like to see, support, or knock down. To each their own. Liberty rings my bell. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:21:07 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Unreleased Songs And an update from yesterday - I see on JM.com that she did record "Jeremy" in the studio, so that recording exists as well. Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "The man who sends me home" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:41:39 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Prince of Peace, NJC Randy wrote: > It's ironic that so many followers of the "Prince of Peace" have not, > apparently, heard his message at all, or have refashioned to whatever > is convienient for them. Hi again Randy! Yes, pretty ironic, pretty human... I have always found it interesting that the "Prince of Peace" said both, "Do not suppose that my mission on earth is to spread peace. My mission is to spread, not peace, but division" (Matthew 10:34) and "Peace is my farewell to you, my peace is my gift to you; I do not give it to you as the world gives peace. Do not be distressed or fearful" (John 14:27). My experience in reading scripture is that it is most beneficial to me when I don't emphasize any one particular part but instead try to read the scriptures as a whole, a forest rather than a bunch of trees, a love story which speaks a very simple, a very beautiful and appealing message to me. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:42:16 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Lucy the diamond star, njc What a beautiful name for this star. . . Lucy the Diamond Star I love it when one thing in nature parallels another. For example, one time I saw baby birds in a nest reaching out toward the sky for their mother. It looked very much like a branch of a tree, in the spring, sprouting and reaching for the sun. . . or finding images in stones, clouds, . . etc. . stuff like that. . . . oh, and finding parallels to all of life in nature. . . This I like. I am going to Charlotte, North Carolina on a jet plane tomorrow morning for 4 days to see my aunt who has dementia. It is a long overdue trip. My cousin Tim from Texas and my other aunt from New Orleans are meeting me there. Yesterday, when I came home from work I saw 7 wild turkeys walking down my road in single file. A beautiful sight. Marianne >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:53:34 EST >From: LCStanley7@aol.com >Subject: Lucy the diamond star in the sky, NJC >Diamond star thrills astronomers >By Dr David Whitehouse >BBC News Online science editor > >A diamond that is almost forever twinkling in the sky is a diamond star of >10 billion trillion trillion > carats, astronomers have discovered. > >The cosmic diamond is a chunk of crystallised carbon, 4,000 km across, some >50 light-years from the Earth in the constellation Centaurus. _________________________________________________________________ All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:05:34 -0600 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: mondegreens and typos Is there a word for typos that result in humorous changes in meaning? For example, on the Joni Mitchell website, the lyrics for Coyote include this line: "He's too fat from the Bay of Fundy...." Also, a lawyer I know, when a particularly vexacious suit was mercifully about to be settled, wrote a letter to the judge which he intended to end with a sentence saying that he hoped they could finally "put an end to this suit." Only, his secretary typed an "h" instead of an "u" in suit; no one caught it before it went out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:12:39 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #113 In a message dated 3/17/04 3:01:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > It's ironic that so many followers of the "Prince of Peace" have not, > apparently, heard his message at all, or have refashioned to whatever > is convienient for them. I'm not down on Christians, I know a good > many of them who are decent, good people. But historically.... > (shudder). > RR > I have been silent for some time but must reply: I was baptized Christian at age 7 and everyday since that time I have seen judgment upon judgment made by All branches/sects of the churches/religions and governments. I have lived in fear since 5 years of age from the hatred spewed by them all on if you don't do this exactly you are going to hell! I knew at 5 years old I was gay, try carrying that load from that age with the jokes the judgments of perversions and the likes. Then contract AIDS in the early 80's and hear Regan/Bush support all of the Churches who are SCREAMING out against you and your people saying this is the wrath of God as they are suffering and dying horrible deaths alone. Today sorry from them is to late for me with "268" dead friends to this horrendous holocaust. Now still denying Marriage and rights to David and me although we are going on 24 years together. The government and the churchs are both quite dangerous in my opinion. I believe organized religion is Mankind's biggest failure... In my heart I have always in every thing I do ask the moral choice of" wrong or right" it comes from my heart and I'm quite sure Jesus and all of the prophets brought to us were teaching that. We all belong to a Great Spirit and that is in living and helping others everyday, not saying what should be or what was but here and now. I think Joni is in tune to what I am saying, it all comes out in her lyrics. I'll always remember that hug and kiss when I told her I had AIDS, she didn't skip a beat grabbing hold of me tightly, most others have a moment of hesitation in how they respond. We all were born on this planet the same no one can surprises that truth! The only blame is to ourselves if we make a bad or harmful decision it is up to us within ourselves to correct it. Because of bigotry taught by religions we are still crucifying people today in this the most civilized and educated nation in the world dragging a black man behind a truck hanging a gay boy on a fence post to die and we are witnesses to it through the news daily as we sit complacently by. DED her worst? I think not it may be her best. The killer nails are still ringing through guns and bombs world wide due to religious beliefs, government and corrupt greed. Oh These troubled times! Peace and Love (the greatest beauty) to all, Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:24:10 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: mondegreens and typos njc In a message dated 17/03/2004 15:17:03 GMT Standard Time, MTatum@lasccoa.state.la.us writes: << Also, a lawyer I know, when a particularly vexacious suit was mercifully about to be settled, wrote a letter to the judge which he intended to end with a sentence saying that he hoped they could finally "put an end to this suit." Only, his secretary typed an "h" instead of an "u" in suit; no one caught it before it went out. >> Excellent tale - I only hope it's *really* true :-) Reminds me of the legendary (in British legal circles at least) story of a notoriously pugnacious litigator, who, on receiving what he considered to be an insultingly low offer from the other side, sent a bracingly succinct reply; "Dear Sirs, Fuck off. Rude letter follows. Yours etc..." Azeem in London NP: Rebecca Campbell - Tug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:24:52 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: mondegreens and typos Yes, that is an error, Mark...it should be: "He's too fat from the ice cream Sundae"! ;~) I remember an ad in the Raleigh paper selling a washing machine, one of its selling points was that it "shits itself off"! Bob, feeling a Coyote parody coming on... NP: Laura Nyro, "Don't Hurt Child" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:48:53 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Re: A Case of You Bobsart48@aol.com: > Kate, since ACOY may be my favorite Joni song of all time, I am hardly > disagreeing with you. However, Diana's version on the TNT Joni Tribute concert > was a fantastic cover - some real magic in that performance. And, what I found > especially appealing was that it was an "interpretive" type of cover, rather > than a "copying" type of cover, if you get my drift. > Diana is a great singer, no doubt about that. My friend pointed out, when I sent him the list of Joni's songs that have been covered (from the jmdl.com website), that Twisted is #13 on there -- and as we know, wasn't written by Joni. Kate of the North - - Anyone read Life of Pi, by Yann Martel? It won the Mann-Booker prize last year. He is writer-in-residence in Saskatoon this winter, and has fallen in love with the city (calling it the best city in Canada to live in; the 'paris of the prairies') and the province. He was interviewed on CBC Radio's Sounds Like Canada yesterday. I mention this because of our previous conversation onlist about the Sask landscape. Martel is from Montreal, and said he found the province spectacularly beautiful and its landscape unexpectedly (because of its reputation for being flat and empty!) varied. Also, and I wonder if this applies to Our Joan, that because of the big skies, Saskatchewan people have a tendency to "look up." ~~~ the three ugly sisters ~~~ - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:59:37 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Fwd: Crocus in the sunlight...NJC There'll be crocuses to bring to school tomorrow... This message has been scanned by the E250. [demime could not interpret encoding - treating as plain text] Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:01:38 -0600 From: "Roland Dunkerley" To: "Debbie Britton" , , "Angela Lagrone" , "Donna Binkley" , "Stephanna Brinkman" , "Liz" ,"Wanda Scanlin" , "Barbara Killen" , "Patrick Kelly" , "Mario Uresti" , , "Paulaudreyj" , "Lynne" , "Vangie Lyons" , "Tomndee" , "Kellie Gomez" , , "Donna Crawford" , "Mike Lyons" , "Kenneth Herndon" , , "Alicia Goss" , "Camilla Paige" , "Laura Psencik" , "Linda Nelson" , "Susan Lahrmann" Subject: Crocus in the sunlight... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain It amazing to me how different the sun light shifts the color of these flowers. Also the flowers in the shade had no bees at all and the ones in the sunlight were covered with bees!??? [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 100_0685c.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:03:07 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: unreleased songs <> Hi Marian, I wonder if every one of those songs on that list was truly written by Joni. I remember seeing "I Still Miss Someone" on that list, which is a Johnny Cash tune. When the Johnny Cash video circulated showing Joni and Johnny singing that song as a duet, this title was removed from the list. I also wonder if "Kelly" might be "Little Green." On some live bootlegs I've heard, Joni does sing "Kelly Green" at the end of her song. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:04:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A Case of You now Pi in the Sky vljc --- Kate wrote: > > - Anyone read Life of Pi, by Yann Martel? It won > the Mann-Booker prize last > year. He is writer-in-residence in Saskatoon this > winter, and has fallen in > love with the city (calling it the best city in > Canada to live in; the > 'paris of the prairies') and the province. He was > interviewed on CBC Radio's > Sounds Like Canada yesterday. I mention this > because of our previous > conversation onlist about the Sask landscape. Martel > is from Montreal, and > said he found the province spectacularly beautiful > and its landscape > unexpectedly (because of its reputation for being > flat and empty!) varied. > Also, and I wonder if this applies to Our Joan, that > because of the big > skies, Saskatchewan people have a tendency to "look > up.> JC: Back in my hometown They would have cleared the floor Just to watch the rain come down They're such sky oriented people Geared to changing weather NJC: Yes, have read life of Pi and enjoyed it very much. My gossip-mongering, movie-website-watching daughter tells me M. Night Shyamalan is going to make a film of it. (Pi and Shy are both from Pondicherry). I wonder who will play Richard Parker? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:28:57 +0000 From: colin Subject: puppy update njc I have done nothing much but sleep since Monday and feel much better. Nechung is back to normal and not now missing her pups. Thank you to all who wrote me. Much appreciated. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:55:42 -0600 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: NJC mondegreens and typos Azeem, the lawyer story really is true. The judge wasn't amused and my friend had to do a lot of apologizing. Bob, I look forward to the possibility of a Coyote parody. Also, your story reminded me of another true story from my old high school where a spelling bee contestant made an unfortunate error when spelling the word "slingshot." I'm thinking maybe we could create a new term by dubbing these kind of mistakes "slingshots." What do you think? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:17:53 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC mondegreens and slingshots Works for me - and I guess if you have 2 in one sentence it's a doubleshot. :~) Bob, ever the careful spiller...oops I mean speller NP: Oasis, "My Big Mouth" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:23:07 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC mondegreens and slingshots My favorite mondegreen has always been Elton John's "Hold me closer, Tony Danza." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:18 PM To: "Mark Tatum"; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC mondegreens and slingshots Works for me - and I guess if you have 2 in one sentence it's a doubleshot. :~) Bob, ever the careful spiller...oops I mean speller NP: Oasis, "My Big Mouth" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:24:58 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni, Janet, Joni in Fiction & JMDLand Hello! Begosh and begorrah, it's St. Paddy's Day and I hope you're all feelin' just a little green today. (I am! I'm going to see The Chieftains tonight at Symphony Hall in Boston, thanks to a much-loved JMDL sister!) Well, my long national nightmare of computer problems and ISP hassles is finally over! Woo-hoo! (Bad news? I am still unable to escape the evil clutches of AOL. Long story.) It has now been more than 3 months since I was an active JMDLer. As Judy Collins once thoughtfully asked, who knows where the time goes . . . I have noticed lots of new people posting here, so I'll (re)introduce myself. My name is Bob M -- just like someone *else* on the list, so I am going by "Smurf" or "Troy" or "Handsome" in order to avoid confusion. I am 27 years old and I have a swimmer's build. My hobbies are helping people, competing in Ironman events, and counting my piles of money. Even though I have been away lo these many weeks, I have been checking the archives from time to time to see what's up with you all. Most of the time I had 2 cents I wanted to throw into the discussion, but I have forgotten just about everything I wanted to contribute. (I did take a couple of those online tests that are so popular here. I scored 70% Dixie on the Yankee/Dixie poll -- which is ridiculous, if you know how much of a Bostonian/New Englander I am. And for the "Are You Going to Hell?" test, I scored higher than Wally -- which firmly answers that question.) One subject of discussion I really wanted to get in on was the one about the Janet Jackson brouhaha at the Super Bowl on February 1. I have a theory . . . Since Janet knows Joni doesn't lie, maybe her Super Bowl stunt was just a response to Joni's famous rant from her the-music-business-is-a-cesspool interview of 2002: "What would I do? Show my tits? Grab my crotch? Get hair extensions and a choreographer?" I think we can all agree that for all purposes Janet's performance was, in fact, a resounding "YES!" to all three questions! Regarding Joni In Fiction, all my files were able to be saved from my computer after its horrific crash. I hope to be up to date on that front soon. As I have said before, I started this section of the JMDL thinking there would be 10 or 12 entries and that that would be all -- but boy was I off. By the time I finish making updates to the site I think it will go to more than 200 entries! That's 200 references to Joni and/or her music which people have found in novels, short stories, poems, plays, TV shows, films, etc. I get tired just thinking about it. And almost last, but not in any way least, I would like to propose a new awards competition: The Golden JMDL Poster Award. There are too many nominees to mention here, ladies and gentlemen, but the one person who never failed to make me laugh while I was digging around the archives -- and, who should be getting ready to thank God and her attorneys -- is Catherine from Canada! Boy, those Canadian women are something. Like Joni, Catherine is multitalented. Check out her Jonifest photos at Chris Marshall's hatstand.com site. My faves! Finally, like any civilized human, I was shocked and angered by the Madrid bombings. But what really surprised me was how "connected" to it I felt because of the people from Spain I have come to know here. So that's a good thing about the JMDL, I think -- the feeling it gives me (us?) of being a part of the whole earth, and a heightened awareness of how our actions can affect so many others on this planet. I am happy to know that none of us fell victim to this carnage, yet saddened to realize that, in the end, we are all its victims. That's it. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:28:17 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Bush's tactics NJC [was Gill in Madrid] (PC) Kate Bennett wrote: > > That is what it boils down to, imo... In spite of so many things > wethepeople may not know, there is so much info that we already have > that shows how deceptive & secretive this administration has been & > is... The lies are obviously there for anyone to see (who wants to)... And the lies just keep coming, in every area. The latest truth about that is from the government actuary who came up with the accurate cost for Bush's revised Medicare plan, *before* the vote. He was told he'd be fired if he let that number out. Instead, the Bushies gave Congress a much lower number, about $135 billion less, and that's what Congress voted on. And then, after the legislation had passed, Bushies announced the true number, as though it was news to them! And was just a slight miscalculation and not their fault, of course. Such lying might even be okay, I *might* even be willing to call it "fudging", if the legislation was genuinely good for people. But that Medicare legislation mostly benefits pharmaceutical and insurance companies, and it's no surprise that they are big contributors to Bush's campaign. And it's bizarre the way Bush keeps claiming things that are just not true, as though by saying them it makes them true. He's reminding me more and more of a teenager... Debra Shea NP on tv: news about a huge explosion in Baghdad... > They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are > But they're never the ones to fight or to die > And there are lives in the balance > There are people under fire > There are children at the cannons > And there is blood on the wire ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:11:17 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni, Janet, Joni in Fiction & JMDLand Hiya handsome - welcome back! Hmmm...better stick to Troy...anyway, I'd say that now that you're back all is right with the world, but obviously that's not the case, so let's just say that things in THIS world have gotten better with your return. How about a game of frisbee? :~) Bob NP: Oasis, "All Around The World" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:12:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Mel Gibson's movie njc To be honest, I have yet to read anything that qualifies as chrisitian bashing regarding this movie or otherwise so I am very unclear as to what qualifies as such... Many of the complaints I have heard (re christian basching) are from those who have lost perspective on their religion & believe that the whole world should be converted to christianity... Indeed this is the side of that religion that is not pretty... The side that throughout history has destroyed cultures in the name of christianity... & is rearing its very unchristian head in our country at this very moment: "It is estimated that thirty-five million Americans who call themselves Christian, adhere to Dominionism in the United States, but most of these people appear to be ignorant of the heretical nature of their beliefs and the seditious nature of their political goals. So successfully have the televangelists and churches inculcated the idea of the existence of an outside "enemy," which is attacking Christianity, that millions of people have perceived themselves rightfully overthrowing an imaginary evil anti-Christian conspiratorial secular society." http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml But back to the movie & why I think it has received much criticism... I think it is because it was set up from way before its release to be authentic... I don't know whether that was a brilliant bit of hype to create controversy or arrogance on the producers part to think he had the ultimate authority. Or perhaps both. If he'd just done a movie & said this is what I believe happened it we probably wouldn't still be writing about this movie. When small people with big egos claim to have the ONLY way they are setting themselves up for a much deserved fall. As to the god complex of gwb, I'm looking for a few quotes from his friends that support what randy said, I'll post if I can find them... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:14:57 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Bush's "faith" NJC [was Mel Gibson's movie] Randy Remote wrote: > > Kakki wrote: > > > But, but, but, those people are not at all representative of their faith and > > therefore not truly religious so it's a moot point. Kakki, I don't think it's possible to judge who is "truly" religious and who is not. "Religious" and "spiritual" can be synonymous attitudes, but too often they're not, and there are clearly people who can quote scripture and attend church every Sunday and who think of themselves as truly religious who also can do things like exploit people for their own benefit or send people to die in an unnecessary war. I've found that people can have all sorts of self-images that do not match their behavior. I've also found that the more a person advertises that self-image, the less true it's likely to be. So Bush telling us over and over that he's a man of integrity, and he probably believes that, doesn't make it so. > > There is no religion I > > can think of that teaches that God "approves" this or that action and that > > justifies anything one wants to do. Only perverted versions or > > interpretations of various religious texts may teach such cr**. > From Randy: > But, but people routinely DO say that God told them to do this or > that....and how can you argue with a claim like that? Exactly! That's what makes Bush so dangerous. He thinks he's got God on his side. So do bin Laden and the suicide/murdering bombers. > > > Bush thinks he was chosen by God to be president, > > > and most likely thinks that any action he takes is divinely inspired. > > > > I've read this a few times out there and have wondered at the source of the > > comments. Do you have a link to something I can read where Bush says this? > > Bush told James Robinson, according to Paul Harris in the > November 2, 2003 New York Observer: "I feel like God > wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense > my country is going to need me. Something is going to > happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but > God wants me to do it." > http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1075950,00.html That was in a review of a book, "The Faith of George Bush", written by self-proclaimed Christian, Stephen Mansfield. The description of the book on Amazon.com includes this: > In 1986, Bush responded to the Biblical conversion story of the Apostle > Paul on the road to Damascus by asking Jesus to be his friend, and as a > result he overcame a growing dependence upon alcohol and turned to the > Bible to save his marriage and his family. During his presidential > campaign, he brought leading pastors to his governor's mansion to lay > hands on him and pray for his future, telling them that he had been > "called" to seek higher office. The entire book is about Bush's "faith" and how it affects his presidency, so anyone curious about it could start with that. There's also this from an Israeli paper: > According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to > strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to > strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the > problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the > elections will come and I will have to focus on them." http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=310788 There's no reaction in that article to Bush's statement, but I remember reading elsewhere that the people hearing Bush say that were shocked. The grandiosity of Bush's thinking is extremely disturbing to me, too. It's as though he thinks he's God and able to do some smiting himself. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:13:23 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: movie diversity, NJC LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Randy wrote: > > > Bush thinks he was chosen by God to be president, > > Hi Randy! This brings to my mind Florida which must leave a question > in his mind on some level about being chosen by mere humans. I guess if he could set aside, in his mind, the deliberate and diabolical cheating his people did to tip the outcome, and the decision of the Supreme Court not to count the votes, he could conclude devine intervention. > My questioning thought has been... a movie about Jesus that is rated > R? I imagine if another movie about Jesus was made that focused on other parts > of the scriptures and painted a vivid picture of these warranting an R > rating, people who support the Gibson movie might create a stir to get the film out > of the theatres, and the film might be more attended by people who aren't > going to the Gibson movie. The Last Temptation of Christ was R rated. I would guess that it was widely protested by Christians. After all, it showed breasts!! As a non-Christian (or former) that was one Christ movie I really liked. Also the original Jesus Christ Superstar album-not the lousy movie and soundtrack that came later. > I would prefer going to a comedy with my children but > have no qualm about what movies other people like to see, support, or knock > down. To each their own. Liberty rings my bell. I'm all for liberty. It's when people think their religious experience gives them a corner on truth or morality that I get nervous. But yes, freedom of expression, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, or take away another's freedom. Even if I don't like the movie, I certainly support the freedom to create it and view it. LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Randy wrote: > > > It's ironic that so many followers of the "Prince of Peace" have not, > > apparently, heard his message at all, or have refashioned to whatever > > is convienient for them. > > Hi again Randy! > > Yes, pretty ironic, pretty human... I have always found it > interesting that the "Prince of Peace" said both, "Do not suppose that my mission on > earth is to spread peace. My mission is to spread, not peace, but division" > (Matthew 10:34) and "Peace is my farewell to you, my peace is my gift to you; I > do not give it to you as the world gives peace. Do not be distressed or > fearful" (John 14:27). While it's not a new thought, critics of the Bible point to the many 180 degree contradictions that permeate it. My understanding is that biblical scholars have rejected something like 40% of the Gospels as plagiarism, error, or plain BS. Of course many believe that every word is devinely inspired, despite the many random editings that have occured throughout history. Whole books of the Bible were thrown out (someone still publishes "The Lost Books of the Bible"). I remember a version of the New Testament from the early 70's where the parts that were believed to be authentic were in red print. For myself, certain statements ring so true that I think they may have been made by Jesus. Others seem to have been added by other less evolved "contributors". The Gospels were written years after the fact. If you've ever played "telephone", you know that oral history can change radically in just a few minutes. So are they reliable history? IMO, no. I think Jesus was a revolutionary activist who challenged the status quo, and was crushed for it. Stories of healing the blind, walking on water, immaculate conception, and so on were commonly attributed to prophets long before Jesus came along, and may have been tacked on later to embellish the story. That's not to say that he was not a highly evolved, enlightened being. He may well have been. It's also interesting to note that, at the time of his crucifixion, Jesus only had a handful of followers-maybe a couple dozen who even knew of him-unlike some Hollywood depictions where multitudes of people were following him around. And how did the Gospels reproduce conversations within the quarters of Pilate, where, presumably, only Jesus and the Romans witnessed the exchange? (Maybe his lawyer told them?). Thanks for your thoughtful input, Laura. Richard Flynn wrote: > This article, "'The Passion': They Know Not What They Watch," is > available online at this address: > > http://chronicle.com/temp/email.php?id=vb78z0yhxbe1290cyvh473bv527ybbg0 Thanks for posting this-food for thought. I found interesting: As is well known, The Passion draws many of its narrative elements from extra-biblical sources, including the 14 Stations of the Cross and the19th-century collection of visions of the Augustinian nun Anne Catherine Emmerich (not to mention Jesus Christ Superstar, which is the only source I know for such a flamboyant Herod). With regard to biblical sources, it draws from all four Gospels, but it is based primarily on John. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:22:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Bush's tactics NJC [was Gill in Madrid] (PC) Debra "And it's bizarre the way Bush keeps claiming things that are just not true, as though by saying them it makes them true. He's reminding me more and more of a teenager." And one with extreme entitlement issues at that! I think he reminds you (& me) of a teenager because, in spite of his physical age, that is his truly his emotional age... He has had everything handed to him, has never really been accountable for his actions & as a result has not matured... And when he speaks about world affairs, it is as if he is describing a video game or a b movie... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:24:33 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC mondegreens and slingshots Richard Flynn wrote: > My favorite mondegreen has always been Elton John's "Hold me closer, Tony > Danza." lol-are you sure he wasn't really saying that? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:28:10 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Gwb god complex njc "Bush believes he was called by God to lead the nation at this time, says Commerce Secretary Don Evans, a close friend who talks with Bush every day." (i lost the link but if you google this quote you can find it easily) 2)'The Rev. Tony Evans, a Dallas pastor and Promise Keepers leader who has been a Bush confidant, told the Dallas Morning News: "One of the impetuses for his considering running for president was the biblical teaching he's been hearing. He feels God is talking to him."' http://www.beliefnet.com/story/35/story_3581_1.html Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:46:40 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni, Janet, Joni in Fiction & JMDLand NJC Hey, Mr. O'Handsome, I'm so glad you're back! And how appropriate to reintroduce yourself on this day o'the Irish! You've obviously not lost your charm or humor (or imagination) in your months away. And I agree completely with giving the award to Catherine. She's like the JMDL Erma Bombeck, but without all the money yet. (I think a new career is calling, Catherine.) Welcome back, Smurf! Debra Shea NP: the St. Pat's Day parade in NYC. Weird for paraders to be marching through snow but that droney sound of the bagpipes makes it the same familiar parade. That's a sound I most enjoy when it stops. Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Begosh and begorrah, it's St. Paddy's Day and I hope you're all feelin' just > a little green today. (I am! I'm going to see The Chieftains tonight at > Symphony Hall in Boston, thanks to a much-loved JMDL sister!) > > I have noticed lots of new people posting here, so I'll (re)introduce myself. > My name is Bob M -- just like someone *else* on the list, so I am going by > "Smurf" or "Troy" or "Handsome" in order to avoid confusion. I am 27 years old > and I have a swimmer's build. My hobbies are helping people, competing in > Ironman events, and counting my piles of money. > the one person who never failed to make > me laugh while I was digging around the archives -- and, who should be > getting ready to thank God and her attorneys -- is Catherine from Canada! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:11:55 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Smurfy - NJC Smurfy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Welcome home sweets!! I sure have missed you around here can't wait to see you in a few months!! love db >>> 3/17/2004 12:24:58 PM >>> Hello! Begosh and begorrah, it's St. Paddy's Day and I hope you're all feelin' just a little green today. (I am! I'm going to see The Chieftains tonight at Symphony Hall in Boston, thanks to a much-loved JMDL sister!) Well, my long national nightmare of computer problems and ISP hassles is finally over! Woo-hoo! (Bad news? I am still unable to escape the evil clutches of AOL. Long story.) It has now been more than 3 months since I was an active JMDLer. As Judy Collins once thoughtfully asked, who knows where the time goes . . . I have noticed lots of new people posting here, so I'll (re)introduce myself. My name is Bob M -- just like someone *else* on the list, so I am going by "Smurf" or "Troy" or "Handsome" in order to avoid confusion. I am 27 years old and I have a swimmer's build. My hobbies are helping people, competing in Ironman events, and counting my piles of money. Even though I have been away lo these many weeks, I have been checking the archives from time to time to see what's up with you all. Most of the time I had 2 cents I wanted to throw into the discussion, but I have forgotten just about everything I wanted to contribute. (I did take a couple of those online tests that are so popular here. I scored 70% Dixie on the Yankee/Dixie poll -- which is ridiculous, if you know how much of a Bostonian/New Englander I am. And for the "Are You Going to Hell?" test, I scored higher than Wally -- which firmly answers that question.) One subject of discussion I really wanted to get in on was the one about the Janet Jackson brouhaha at the Super Bowl on February 1. I have a theory . . . Since Janet knows Joni doesn't lie, maybe her Super Bowl stunt was just a response to Joni's famous rant from her the-music-business-is-a-cesspool interview of 2002: "What would I do? Show my tits? Grab my crotch? Get hair extensions and a choreographer?" I think we can all agree that for all purposes Janet's performance was, in fact, a resounding "YES!" to all three questions! Regarding Joni In Fiction, all my files were able to be saved from my computer after its horrific crash. I hope to be up to date on that front soon. As I have said before, I started this section of the JMDL thinking there would be 10 or 12 entries and that that would be all -- but boy was I off. By the time I finish making updates to the site I think it will go to more than 200 entries! That's 200 references to Joni and/or her music which people have found in novels, short stories, poems, plays, TV shows, films, etc. I get tired just thinking about it. And almost last, but not in any way least, I would like to propose a new awards competition: The Golden JMDL Poster Award. There are too many nominees to mention here, ladies and gentlemen, but the one person who never failed to make me laugh while I was digging around the archives -- and, who should be getting ready to thank God and her attorneys -- is Catherine from Canada! Boy, those Canadian women are something. Like Joni, Catherine is multitalented. Check out her Jonifest photos at Chris Marshall's hatstand.com site. My faves! Finally, like any civilized human, I was shocked and angered by the Madrid bombings. But what really surprised me was how "connected" to it I felt because of the people from Spain I have come to know here. So that's a good thing about the JMDL, I think -- the feeling it gives me (us?) of being a part of the whole earth, and a heightened awareness of how our actions can affect so many others on this planet. I am happy to know that none of us fell victim to this carnage, yet saddened to realize that, in the end, we are all its victims. That's it. - --Smurf This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:40:13 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2004 Hi everyone, We have been having a great deal of problems with the Jonifest 2004 database for the past several months, but I am happy to say that it seems like all the problems have now been fixed. If you are planning on joining us at Full Moon this August for Jonifest, please register at: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/register/ You will be sent a temporary password to your e-mail address, then you can go into your registration page and change your password to one you would prefer under the Personal Information page. Thanks for all your patience while Les has been changing servers and ironing all this out. THANK YOU, LES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, please remember, if having a bed is important to you, especially if you prefer to be in a certain room, please get your deposits in to Donna as soon as possible!! Early registrations help the entire commitee in our planning.August will be here before we know it! For more information, please go to: www.jonifest.com Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #114 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)