From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #109 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 14 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 109 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Stryngs news (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Stryngs news (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] KGSR, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Shadows and Light, njc now [Emiliano ] Re: Shadows and Light, njc now [Emiliano ] The male Joni Mitchell ;>) (NJC) ["kerry" ] Re: Don't Interrupt the Sorrow [Garret ] re: Leonard cohen (NJC) [Garret ] [none] [Garret ] re: Question for CA listers - Orange County Music Awards (NJC) [Garret <] Re: bow to wow, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] No-oh-oh-oh-oh-ooo, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Helen Reddy, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: joni's lowest note? ["J.David Sapp" ] Starbucks Make Music [Garret ] Re: Leonard cohen (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Question for CA listers - Orange County Music Awards (NJC) ["Kate Ben] Re: joni's lowest note? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: McLuhan (SJC) (Round II) ["Timothy Spong" ] NJC Bottom Line [was RE: Dulcimer (medium Joni Content)] ["Richard Flynn"] move on, joni [Kate ] Re: John Kelly show [Bobsart48@aol.com] for Rufus fans NJC [dsk ] Re: madrid njc ["Martin Giles" ] Re: New favourite saying NJC ["Martin Giles" ] Subject: re: Shadows and Light ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: madrid njc [Emiliano ] Re: Stryngs news (NJC) [Emiliano ] Re: Woman of Heart and Mind [Emiliano ] Stryngs (NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: John Kelly show [Michael Paz ] Re: The male Joni Mitchell ;>) (NJC) [Michael Paz Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:09:05 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Question for CA listers - Orange County Music Awards (NJC) Do any of the CA folk have a good idea how high-profile or otherwise the Orange County Music Awards are? I ask because Stryngs is one of five nominees for the Best International category, with results announced on March 27th. Needless to say, we're a bit excited about this :) Any info greatly appreciated... and............ Stryngs is playing a small venue in Cambridge UK in mid-April - sort of a small acoustic venue with a reputation for good music and an audience there to listen rather than to drink and chat. One of the other performers caught my eye as I was sure I'd seen her name before somewhere. I was right... it's Christene Ledoux, another JMDLer! What are the chances of that? Christene's going to be halfway around the world, and happens to be playing in my home town one the same night as my band. Gotta wonder about fate sometimes...< Hi Chris, Both these pieces of news are very exciting! Well done indeed. However you don't mention when the gig in Cambridge is exactly. I feel I might just like to be there if I possibly can! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:53:18 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Stryngs news (NJC) On 14 Mar 2004, at 10:32, Gertus@aol.com wrote: > Both these pieces of news are very exciting! Well done indeed. > However you don't mention when the gig in Cambridge is exactly. I feel > I might just like to be there if I possibly can! The information about the Cambridge gig is up on our website, with links to the venue web pages and a map. www.stryngs.com as usual. You do need to book tickets in advance though since numbers are limited due to the venue being so small. Any UK JMDLers who want to come and are some distance away could always meet us at my place in the afternoon. E-mail me offline as appropriate. Right, must go, new songs to attend to. Bounce... - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:53:48 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: KGSR, njc Craig wrote: > > Friday, March 19 > Noon ~ Patty Griffin & band, Eliza Gilkyson & band > 2:00 ~ Gary Jules > 3:00 ~ Calexico > 3:30 ~ Hamell On Trial > 5:01 Blues ~ Charlie Musselwhite with Charlie Sexton > 6:15 ~ Robyn Hitchcock > > Saturday, March 20 > 2:00 ~ Joss Stone > 3:00 ~ The Mavericks > TBA ~ Joan Baez > Too bad I live a little far from Austin. Hamell on Trial is a fine musician and hysterically funny. Just got Joss Stone's cd yesterday. Incredible voice and musical maturity for this 16 year-old with Aretha's voice. Do you know whether KGSR is on-line? Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:15:18 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Shadows and Light, njc now Hi, Catherine! Many thanks for posting this: surely Justice was the theme for the first part of Politeia ( I prefer naming it according to its greek name, rather than the latin one, especially here, with so many US people reading ;-), wich was written long before the rest of the book. You must note that Socrates' way of finding the truth was, first, asking people what do they think about the meaning of one concept (like Justice here), prior to discuss the meanings proposed by them, and showing that really they don't understand what they're saying. Justice is, according to Plato, the harmony: one must do his/her duty, ie: what one knows how to do it (never letting bussiness men nor army mee ruling the state, for instance) without interfering in other's duties. Well, I must go now to the beach. Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Catherine McKay" Para: "Emiliano" ; "mia ortlieb" ; "JMDL" Enviado: domingo, 14 de marzo de 2004 5:00 Asunto: Re: Shadows and Light [...]> > From an article on the site (Aug. 27, 1994 > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=48 > after the release of "Turbulent Indigo.") > > ----------------------------------------------------- > "I still believe in the power of the word, that words > inspire," says Joni Mitchell, and in considering the > proposition that chance and a traffic sign had placed > before her, she later turned to Plato's "Republic", a > philosophical discussion of moral ideas written and > dramatized four centuries before Christ. "I also > believe in the idea that the performing arts, > including songs and plays, are capable of slowing > people down and touching their souls in order to > generate thoughtfulness. The premise of Plato's 'play' > is the presentation of the argument that the strong do > what they can, and the weak suffer what they must, > debating if that's both true and fair." > > [...] > Justice as displayed in Plato's "Republic" is the > restraint of one's own selfish aims when they conflict > with the well-being of others. Thus, until the day > that each citizen is willing to do good while > expecting absolutely nothing in return, there shall be > no justice. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:26:40 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Shadows and Light, njc now - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "mia ortlieb" Para: ; Enviado: domingo, 14 de marzo de 2004 6:44 Asunto: Re: Shadows and Light <> Holy Batcave, Emiliano! Twelve times each year since '78? I've only read it twice..and it was for school. Once I had to read it and write an essay for the topic of education. In another class, I had to read it and write a different essay for the topic of politics and justice. [...] Hi, Mia! Well, one may think I'm exagerating: if you've read it when you were in school, I'm the one who forces pupils to read it and make comments about it: I read it a couple of times at the begginning of the course (to refresh my ideas about it, to search for some detail I've probably missed, just to the joy of reading it). When I have to read a hundred (maybe more) of pupils writings about the Allegory of the Cave... well, when I find reading some lectures clearly mistaken: I read it once more to give me strenght for keep on reading, to set up myself to the meaning of my task. When I read some pupil's work that is original, divergent (very rare, these last years, btw), I read the Allegory of the Cave once more, trying to seeing it with this pupil's point of view. I never get tired of it! ah!, just one point: in my yesterday's post I forgot to complete some sentence: where it says "Imagine this for a minute: think how public nurseries would be in this society" I really meant: Imagine how public nurserys, how orphanages would be if Bush, Blair, Aznar children had to live there ;-) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: my daughters yelling they don't want to go to the beach... we'll go, indeed! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:43:43 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: The male Joni Mitchell ;>) (NJC) I had the opportunity to go to my first Bob Dylan concert on Friday night. I have to admit that I am a recent convert to him because I could never get past his voice. Now I'm convinced that he's nothing short of genius. Back to the concert. Even though a lot of the songs he did were new to me, I thought they were fantastic. His band was excellent, although it was hard to hear Bob on keyboard. Despite the venue being an old ballroom with poor acoustics, I thought the sound was surprisingly good. It was one of the best concerts I've ever been to and I kept asking myself how I could have gone without his music for so long!!!!! The evening ended with "Like a Rolling Stone" and a SEARING version of "All Along the Watchtower." It doesn't get any better than that. Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:18:15 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Just one more reason why joni's songs are so special:-) well observed Steve. GARRET np- nothing but wind rattling the window "amelio747" wrote: The line "since I was 17 I've had no one over me" always held special meaning too, coz that was when I first left home! Though I know it's meant like "I've been an independent woman since I was 17", it still makes me think of me! NP: Pancake - Tori (I now appreciate this song so much more) * * * * * * Stephen T - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:34:55 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: Leonard cohen (NJC) Jacky, Clive This sounds like a fantastic festival. When is it on? Is it an annual event? Im hoping to get tickets for Rufus and Kate & Anna at royal festival hall with their tribute to Leonard and his music. Would not mind getting to Brighton either. I guess i should give the place another chance after not liking it last time! If its a convenient time for me i may just hop on the train around then.... If i dont make it i expect a full and detailed report from you guys;-) I saw Eddi Reader in concert in a wonderful small venue in Dublin a couple of years back (Whelans, for those in the know). It was fantastic. At the time i didn't know who she was other than the odd hit with fairground attraction that i obviously recognised and patience of angels. She really really blew me away, as did Boo Hewerdine (sp??) who opened and performed with the chatty, charming Eddi. A great night all in all; and better as it was a spur of the moment decision:-) She did an amazing version of Moon River to close the show! GARRET Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:35:33 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: ) Calling all uk jmidlers, I've just got the Brighton festival brochure through and theres a couple of things that may be of interest to all of you/ some of you/ a couple of you/ one of you / none of you. First off there's an Evening of Leonard Cohens' songs featuring Laurie Anderson, Nick Cave, The Handsome Family, The McGarrigle sisters, Linda and Teddy Thompson and Rufus and Martha Wainwright and Leonards original Backing singers! Theres also Eddie Reader performing Burns songs from her last album and her own favourites. I saw her a couple of years ago in burgess hill and she blew me away. A voice you have to hear live, as wonderful as it is on disc, live blows it out of the water. For more info go to www.brighton-festival.org.uk. Its a good festival all in all and worth a butchers. xx Clive - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:40:31 +0000 From: Garret Subject: [none] Lucy, Catherine Damian Rice is superb!!!! I remember talking about him on list last year or the year before; spurred on by Lieve, i think, having seen him as Glastonbury. I just cant stop singing his songs; i keep singing delicate and cannonball in my head, out loud walking down the street, even though im the worst in the world for remembering lyrics so my version makes little sense, lol. well now Amie is on replay in my brain too! if you have not got the album O, you should invest in it. It is money well spent. And his concerts..... WOW!! I saw him at the Witnness music festival in Dublin last summer, in front of about 20000 people and he was still as intense and amazing as ever. i love when people on-list mention artists other than Joni that i like (and since im currently in Patti Smith overdrive, dont get me started there!! ill be seeing her twice next week here in London, on st patricks day she is doing a gig at my college, and the next day she is doing a poetry benefit at Giles in the Fields church). GARRET npimh- Damian Rice, Amie!! Catherine wrote: I've heard Damien Rice. I love the song, "Amy" or "Amie" (or however he spells it - the one about reading the Story of O.) and Lucy wrote: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:30:54 -0000 On the musical front please, ifyou have any access to it, do have a listen to Damien Rice... Brilliant... Iwas given "O" for my birthday (by my 15 year old son.. who has wonderful taste in music) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:42:11 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: Question for CA listers - Orange County Music Awards (NJC) How massively exciting!!! Hope i can make the april gig:-) keep me posted and ill try my best!! are yo guys looking for gigs? a friend of mine is arranging something for the summer that might interest ye! email me or call me for the details!! (that's blackmail that is!!;-) GARRET Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:09:05 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Question for CA listers - Orange County Music Awards (NJC) Do any of the CA folk have a good idea how high-profile or otherwise the Orange County Music Awards are? I ask because Stryngs is one of five nominees for the Best International category, with results announced on March 27th. Needless to say, we're a bit excited about this :) Any info greatly appreciated... Cheers, - - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:10:08 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: bow to wow, njc Gus wrote: > "Also, to suggest that she "bow down" to Joni is utterly ridiculous and > more than a little insulting. The are both great singers and > songwriters. Mutual admiration and respect would be more appropriate, > as is probably the case." Hi Gus! Yes, ridiculously funny!!! Gave me a good laugh anyway... I agree with you about mutual admiration and respect. Thanks for what you wrote about Ricky Lee. Makes me want to see her! Love and joy, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:21:58 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: No-oh-oh-oh-oh-ooo, njc Did you ever have a bad dream, (early in the morning just before you wake up) where you are aware you are dreaming so you are fighting the bad dream? There you are, asleep, yet you're half-aware that something bad is happening so you're thinking, "No-oh-oh-oh." I had that sensation this morning when reading the Sunday newspaper. If I remember my Shakespearean Lit correctly, the Bard warned us about March 15th. "Beware the ides of March." There's an ad, sponsored by "Finesse" hair care products for an upcoming concert. (You can see it coming already, right?) An unnamed symphony orchestra is appearing to present "The Music Of Styx" featuring Dennis DeYoung. Discuss. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:25:44 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Helen Reddy, NJC Kakki wrote: > Your absolutely right - that is such a beautiful song and one of my faves. > Though I thought "I Am Woman " was hideous, you have reminded me why I liked > some of her other work back then. She is a great singer. Where has she > been? Hi Kakki! Good to hear there are other Helen Reddy fans on this list! As for where has she been, well, I don't know about recently, but she's been to Little Rock. I saw her in concert in the late 80's or so and loved it! I like her song I Am Woman which I have found empowering over the years especially since I have a brother who just won't understand as he tends to be chauvenistic sometimes. Have you seen the Disney movie Pete's Dragon? She's in it. Peacefully yours, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:42:29 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: joni's lowest note? Listen to the exquisitely beautiful lows on Travelogue's The Last Time I Saw Richard. Sublime. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:21:29 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Starbucks Make Music I find this quite an odd idea. given that Joni is played so often in Starbucks, i wonder if the 250,000 songs mentions includes; california, Blonde in the bleachers, amelia, black crow, night ride home, come in from the cold, big yellow taxi and all the other joni songs that i've heard played in Starbucks. Will this take off? If they offer their instore songs this would be interesting. I've often been in Starbucks (including when i worked there) and found myself going "this is an *amazing* song" to Marianne Faithful, Sarah McLachalin, Richard Thompson, Kelly Jo Phelps and many others that i've lost memory of. Problem is that i soon forget the name of the song i heard and am left with a vague impression that i heard a good song in starbucks. GARRET ____________________________________________________________________________ from rollingstone.com Starbucks Brews Up Music Wainwright, Harmer to play at service's unveiling Starbucks is partnering with Hewlett-Packard to launch an in-store service that will allow customers to download music and burn discs in the time it takes to drink a cup of coffee. With major labels already signed on, more than 250,000 songs -- with a selection ranging from Britney Spears to Ray Charles -- will be available for purchase. Over the next couple years, Hewlett-Packard will furnish some 2,500 stores with computers, CD burners and printers for album art. The minimum purchase will be five songs for $6.99, while complete albums will sell for $12.95. The first such store will open in Santa Monica, California, on March 16th. After a press conference, Rufus Wainwright and Sarah Harmer will perform outside on the Third Street Promenade. Starbucks declined requests for comment on the new service. COLIN DEVENISH (March 12, 2004) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:40:34 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Leonard cohen (NJC) In a message dated 14/03/2004 16:48:14 GMT Standard Time, garret@hatstand.org writes: > This sounds like a fantastic festival. When is it on? Is it an annual > event? > Hi Garret, Good to hear from you. The Brighton Festival is an annual event and this year runs from May 1st to 23rd, I think, and there's a fantastic variety of things going on to suit every taste. There are over 500 fringe events still to be announced. One of my favourite large music venues is the Dome in Brighton where the audience has always been warm and appreciative when I've been there and they put on some great stuff. Another good place is the Komedia where I'm going to be tomorrow night to see Martins 4 (Carthy, Simpson, Taylor and Juan) which is a little more like Whelans but bigger. My daughter, Susie, who you met in Dublin, is now living in Brighton and is putting on her first gig night this coming Thursday at the Freebutt and then her next one is April 15th. These are mainly for up and coming bands but she is a fairly good judge of talent so they could be interesting. Let me know if you decide to visit Brighton because you definitely need a better experience this time! Also, is there any progress with doing something for Kerry's visit? Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:37:41 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Question for CA listers - Orange County Music Awards (NJC) I don't know of these awards either but that doesn't mean too much as I'm also in another world from LA & surrounding areas (I do know of the LA awards... These may be similar & just pinpointing orange county as the area) I agree with randy that it's a great honor though & a great thing for the bio for sure! Chris Marshall wrote: > Do any of the CA folk have a good idea how high-profile or otherwise > the Orange County Music Awards are? I ask because Stryngs is one of > five nominees for the Best International category, with results > announced on March 27th. Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:39:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's lowest note? And don't forget the low note on "Melody In Your Name" that goes so low she can't sing it, and has to retune her guitar. It occurs when she's singing : "Dawnlight on a skyline bridges' span" She could probably hit it now. :~) And come to think of it, it would have been pretty cool to include a couple of these early unreleased gems on T'log. Bob NP: The Bad Plus, "Iron Man" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:46:44 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: McLuhan (SJC) (Round II) Randy Remote wrote, [ on Re: McLuhan (SJC), on Sat, 13 Mar 2004 at 13:34:27 -0800 (eight hours earlier than Universal Coordinated Time/Greenwich Mean Time)] > > >Timothy Spong wrote: > > > ... and when you go to the essay, you read, inter alia, that "McLuhan >said > > 'the medium is the message.' " > > > > Actually, this is a common misquote. What Marshall McLuhan said was, >"The > > medium is the massage." > Randy responded: >That's right, and after all these years, I still have no idea what that >means....the misquote makes more sense >RR, in need of a massage Tim comments: It is somewhat explained here: http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/rojc/mdic/mcluhan.html > Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:47:47 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: NJC Bottom Line [was RE: Dulcimer (medium Joni Content)] Unforunately, The Bottom Line no longer exists, at least for the time being: January 22, 2004 After almost thirty years of bringing a wide variety of exciting and innovative artists to the stage at the corner of West 4th and Mercer, The Bottom Line will be closing its doors for the last time today. http://www.bottomlinecabaret.com/ They are, however, looking for a new home. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 11:23 PM To: _JMDL Subject: Dulcimer (medium Joni Content) Joni, Here's my idea for a tour of small venues. Short road trips followed by house parties. You can start in LA, of course. I know some people who would let you have their living rooms free of charge. Then we'll tag-team the driving to Santa Barbara, San Francisco, Denver, Nawlins, Covington, Kentucky of course, Detroit, then over to Toronto, down to Maryland, NJ, and finish at The Bottom Line. How bout a small-time, hit-and-run collection of living rooms. What do you say? Call me when you get up at 3PM. I'll take a month off from work. I'm holding my breath starting right now. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:20:23 -0600 From: Kate Subject: move on, joni Mary: > But I do think that, after a certain point, there is a time to stop dwelling > on all the trifling and not-so-trifling negative points from the past, and > either take pride in what you HAVE accomplished. . . or move on to something > else. Hi Mary! I'm sorry to respond to your rare post from lurkdom by disagreeing with you, and I hope it won't keep you from posting again, and often. I am speaking in general when I say what follows, not implying that you or you alone said the things I am speaking to. What are "trifling and no-so-trifling negative points" to some, are obviously not trifling to Joni. Imagine telling Gloria Steinem to stop commenting on the injustices women face in the world, or expecting Germaine Greer to overlook the way insidious as well as overt social and cultural attitudes toward women affect our lives. Hell, no! We may get sick of hearing about it and think they are just repeating a shrill strident rant that's getting old and going nowhere, but sexist inequality still exists and I can't imagine either of these feminist activists "moving on" and not mentioning it again. Or being expected to do so. Or hey, maybe the gay folk could stop talking about their hurts from, and frustrations with, the prejudices in this world? Because we've heard it before, after all, and we'd just rather not keep hearing about it? Why don't they just count their blessings and behave themselves? What's with these Gay Pride rallies and this running up to Canada to get married stuff? Do the rest of us really want all this in our faces? Let them do what they want, but we don't want to see it or hear about it. (I'm being flip, but I've heard these sorts of remarks from plenty of straight people.) Yes, Joni has had many successes. More successes than failures; so she should be a gracious lady and not repeat her diatribe that the music industry and the media attitude have been and continue to be unfair and even disrespectful and stupid? that it isn't necessarily the 'best' or the most deserving that get the fame and the respect and career success? That's kinda like saying North American women have it so good compared to women in other parts of the world, that we have no business bitching We should be thankful for what we've got and move on! We shouldn't concern ourselves any longer with matters that displease us. If you speak about injustice much, or the disappointments in your life, there will always be people who get tired of hearing about it and wish you'd keep your mouth shut. Move on! After a while, we just don't want to hear it any more. But to suggest that Joni is just trotting out the same old whine is ... well, okay, maybe she is! Because there is as much truth to it as there ever was. So she should just keep mum, because she's said it before? Or she "should" get beyond her response to it and come up with a newer and more acceptable one? When have you ever known human nature to be like that? Some resentments never go away, even if you do manage to keep them under wraps so you can appear to be above it all. It's difficult if not sometimes impossible to act the beneficient lady when something pisses you off, but hey, that's what we're supposed to do if we're a queen in our own right, is it? Make like Queen Elizabeth II in public? Pretend we barely notice the imperfections, it doesn't matter, that we're too sophisticated and classy to be affected? That we're too cool to get hot under the collar and stay that way? Mature, gracious ladies spout off too, if they have the guts. And Joni does. And she'll keep spouting off, I hope, as long as she feels it's necessary and as long as the situation -- or her memory of it -- picks her ass. I'd like to think that Joni is a big enough person to be generous and gracious toward other musicians, and I am sure she often is, but that doesn't make good copy. But even if she is a conceited diva -- so what? She's earned the right to be. No false modesty for our Joan. She IS a genius and doesn't short-sell herself. 'Course, we aren't too comfortable hearing such self-confident sentiments coming out of a woman's mouth. And criticizing and undermining the successes of others? Isn't she just being a jealous, small-minded bitch? I don't think so. Why should she stop talking about any subject when she has something to say? Even if she's said it before? The bullshit is still going on, isn't it? If Joni Mitchell is commenting upon a situation 10,000 times and I think she has nothing new to say, it wouldn't be the first time. As with her music, which continues to surprise and dazzle me with aspects I didn't hear in it the first 10,000 times I listened to a particular song, she's worth listening to. My critical thinking may not be up to snuff when I mention Joni's attitude toward the music industry in the same breath as feminist and gay problems in society. I'm sure you can poke lots of holes in my logic. But I hope I've managed to make my point that if Joni Mitchell has something to say, all power to her. Maybe eventually it will make a difference in the world, but not likely. However, they say abused women discuss their abuse an average of 30 times before they take action to get out of the violent situation and "move on." Maybe Joni is still working through some similar mental/emotional process herself. Kate du Nord - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:21:18 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: John Kelly show I got to catch John Kelly's "Get Up and Jive: Even More Songs of Joni Mitchell" last night at the Fez in Greenwich Village (Lafayette St. at Great Jones - sort of 3rd St.) For those who do not know of the place, Fez is a nightclub (capacity maybe 150 people) in the cellar of the Time Cafe. Scene of the Joni concert with the Carly/Chrissy tete a tete. John Kelly appears already morphed into Joni, blonde hair, red full length dress. Plays electric guitar (with a VG-8, I believe) a la Joni, including the tunings, and sings true to Joni's form and close to her key. Also morphed into Joni in terms of the raconteuring et al. Most of the story telling begins straight up, true to Joni's own stories, then breaks into satire, some comic relief and occasionally a tasteful touch of more risque vaudeville - sort of perfect for the nightclub cafe setting. The music is by and large straight on. Occasional moments of playfulness with the lyrics (by the time we got to Wigstock, e.g.). Zecca Esquibel as Georgia O'Keefe on the synthesizer did a wonderful job with the piano parts and harmonies, and took the third verse of Circle Game (60 springs, and 60 summers gone now). High quality, wonderful performances by Kelly and Zecca (and a fine job by their sound man, too). This is a show that should not be missed by any JMDLer who has not seen it. And the price is very reasonable. Still there for two more weekends (Fridays and Saturdays only). Don't know if tickets are still available. The set list (not necessarily in exact order, and I may be missing a song or two, but not that I can recall) was Morning Morgantown For Free Cactus Tree A Case of You (dulcimer - with some visual gags featuring that instrument) Woodstock (absolutely mesmerizing LOTC rendition - amazing, really) Harry's House/Centerpiece (fantastic, too - full song, including piano break and "when you coming home Harry" etc vocal intelude - with a bit of karaoke-style backup music layered in - Kelly blew the timing at the end of Centerpiece, so they had to shut it off for the last verse, I think) Slouching Toward Bethlehem (another killer version, good rhythms on the synth) Fiddle and the Drum (excellent, a capella of course) Circle Game (audience participation requested and delivered) Blue Night Ride Home A great time was had by all. Enthusiastic, Joni-knowledgeable crowd. We (my wife, daughter and her friend) got there just before 7, when seating began. Had dinner (very good food, too). Show started a 8, and lasted about 75-80 minutes. Catch it if you can. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:19:21 -0500 From: dsk Subject: for Rufus fans NJC In today's NYTimes magazine: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/14/magazine/14DOMAINS.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:15:28 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: madrid njc Just want to say how sorry I am to hear about the aweful events in Spain this week. Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:11:48 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: New favourite saying NJC Hi Lucy There's an American country singer/comedian called Gambol Rogers (spelling?) who referred to a character in one of his stories as "Mad as a boiled owl" which always cracks me up. Anybody else know of this guy? All I know of him is a cassette copy I have of a vinyl record that a friend had about 10 years ago. It seemed to be a collection of his funny stories, but I gather that he's a country musician as well (certainly he's a handy guitarist, at one point plucking a solid bluegrass guitar while telling a hilarious story about his Bible selling days). I'm going to try and fit in "mad as a squashed fox" this week, if I can :) Martin. In London. >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:30:54 -0000 >From: "Lucy Hone" >Subject: New favourite saying NJC >over the years you get to hear some things don't you... All those at FEST last >year got to hear the UK lot shout out ridiculous things during the prize >draw. >Today I overheard something that made me smile and everytime I think of it it >seems wonderfully silly as something to say as a description of someone who is >angry... >IN the town square of a place called BISHOPS WALTHAM, (population about 6,000) >Two men, who were clearly farmers or agriculturally employed in some way.. >were discussing someone who had had some sort of an accident (it transpired) >"So, 'e were mad were 'e" >"yes, right mad. Mad as a squashed fox, that's how mad" >"oh right, that's mad alright.. 'E still got 'is landrover?" >"no, that's a write off too... that's why 'e is mad as a squashed fox" >Why I found that so funny I don't know, but it made my day.... >So I want "mad as a squashed fox" to be manouevered into something you say >during the course of the next week or so. It could become a new catch >phrase... Please report back as to the reaction!!! >On the musical front please, ifyou have any access to it, do have a listen to >Damien Rice... Brilliant... Iwas given "O" for my birthday (by my 15 year old >son.. who has wonderful taste in music) >and today on the radio I was driving back through the lanes of rural Hampshire >when I found an old un-named tape and bunged it in the player in the car >...and it was the Joni HITS album... Springtime, England, Joni on the player >singing the Circle Game... >Life is indeed sweet. >Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:46:44 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: re: Shadows and Light Mia, Good catch. If I recall correctly, the basic idea of the Allegory of the Cave was that we are as unfamiliar with Reality as someone trying to understand the outside world by the shadows thrown on a cave wall. She's on that topic in "Sweet Bird" too. Recall this: Joni Mitchell said, >No one knows< >They can never get that close< >Good guesses at most< >Guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching< I think the '76 Spectrum show was the first time I heard her flesh out the lyric to "good guesses". All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu You said, >Speaking of Shadows and Light.....has anyone ever read Plato's "The Allegory of the Cave" (from The Republic VII)? Maybe this has been mentioned previously on the list, but The Allegory also has themes of "shadows and light," "justice vs. injustice," "slavery vs. freedom," "the governors vs. the governed," "the educated vs. the uneducated," "perception vs. misperception," and "divine element in the virtue of wisdom." I am convinced that Joni's "Shadow and Light" is based on "The Allegory of the Cave." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 17:26:17 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: My Bad Boys will be touring the UK May 20-June 6 NJC My good friend Tony Amato and his band Boccigalupe and the Badboys will kickoff their UK tour May 20th with the re-release of their CD "It's My Turn Now". I've included their schedule below, so if any of you UKers are close by and can make, do so. They are so much fun, so energetic. Just tell them Rosie in NJ sent you...LOL notice Bob I've included that SC gig. Dunno know if you are near there, but just in case, they do some awesome Bruce covers. Lonesome Day, Badlands, Rosalita ;~) and Cadillac Range are usually included in the setlist. From an interview with Upstage Mag.... Boccigalupe and the Bad Boys are ready to take their act across the globe. Their debut CD, It's My Turn Now!, will be released on Sound City Records and available in stores everywhere on March 9th. For Tony Amato, his first major record deal is better late than never. Tony Amato, or Boccigalupe as he's better known, has been playing in Jersey Shore based bands since the '70s. Two of which, Cahoots and the George Theiss Band, were on the verge of signing record deals but something always seemed to happen to screw things up. Nevertheless, Amato kept doing what he loves doing - playing live - night after night in bars across the east coast. With Boccigalupe and the Bad Boys, Amato is now the leader of the band for the first time. "The problem was that any time before this band, I wasn't really in charge," explained Amato. "I wasn't the one making the decisions. It was always somebody else making the decisions. You can't worry about what happened or what didn't happen. What if Cahoots made it? You can't go back with what ifs. What if didn't happen. Maybe nothing would have happened, maybe I would have ended up being an accountant or working in a WaWa. I think that the way my career has gone now it ended up pretty good. "I'm pretty happy right now. I'm not out there trying to set the world on fire, I'm just out there trying to do what I do." The record will be slightly different than the one released independently by the band. The song "Moving On Down The Line" has been taken off the record and replaced by two live tracks and one new track. The live songs are "Until the Good Is Gone" and "It's My Turn Now!" which also appears in the original studio version. The new song is called "I Can't Take It". It's about being politically incorrect. It's also being considered, along with the title track, as the first single. According to Amato, Sound City Records has expressed interest in having the band come to California to shoot a music video. No plans have been set yet, but the band will be looking for clubs to play on their way to the west coast and back. The band's lineup has changed a little in the last year, but Amato says that the lineup is pretty much set right now. Band members include Billy Walton, Kelly Tyrell, Tim Moss, Pete Maurer and Danny Alvaro. Boccigalupe and the Bad Boys play good old-fashioned rock and roll, the kind that inspired the term "Sounds of Asbury Park". For the past few years, Bocci and the Boys have been playing clubs throughout New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Virginia. With the release of It's My Turn Now!, the band will play areas they've never played before - including an 18-day tour of Europe. Thanks to the band's Asbury Park history, they are very popular with fans of Bruce Springsteen. Last year, Boccigulape and the Bad Boys were there at the start of Springsteen's Rising shows at Giants Stadium. The Bad Boys kicked off the first night of shows with a live performance on the boardwalk stage in front of tons of Springsteen fans. "We met a lot of fans last summer with that Springsteen thing at Giants St adium," said Amato. "Hopefully we'll be hooking up with them when we get to the U.K. That's what excites me. I'm excited about going to the United Kingdom. Getting out of the country and letting everybody hear the music. That's the exciting part because I like playing." Bobby Strange, a Red Bank-based singer-songwriter and Charlie McInstosh will be the opening acts for Bocciagalupe and the Bad Boys on their European tour. The European part of Boccigalupe and the Bad Boys tour starts on May 20th. Visit the band's website at www.boccigalupe.com to see when Bocci and the Boys will be coming to your town. May 8 Dead Dog Saloon Murrells Inlet, SC May 9 Dead Dog Saloon Murrells Inlet, SC May 15 NJ Chili & Salsa Cook-Off Toms River, NJ May 15 Lance & Debbie's Asbury Park, NJ May 16 Lance & Debbie's Asbury Park, NJ May 20 Inn on the Beach Hampshire, England May 21 Gilberts Bar West Midlands, England May 22 Rayners Hotel Middlesex, England May 23 Boom Boom Club Sutton, England May 24 Marrs Bar Worcester, England May 25 The Boardwalk Sheffield, England May 26 Catford Blues Club London, England May 27 The Running Horse Nottingham, England May 28 Aldersyde Hotel Isle of Arran, Scotland May 29 Aldersyde Hotel Isle of Arran, Scotland May 30 Aldersyde Hotel Isle of Arran, Scotland May 31 Witchwood Live Lancashire, England June 1 Jagz at the Station Berkshire, England June 2 Catford Blues Club London, England June 3 The Coal Exchange Cardiff, England June 4 The Musician Leicester, England June 5 Bramham Village Hall W Yorkshire, England June 6 The Stables Milton Keynes, England ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:30:50 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Brian Wilson, Love Songs, njc Tonight was the closing night of Brian's Euro Smile tour. The Olympia was full. Band was tight. Smile is the unreleased album following Pet Sounds. You guys in the U.S. will see him in the fall. Beach Boys' "God Only Knows" surely is one of the best love songs IMO. Out of the trillion love songs out there, which top 3 would you sing your love, to declare or reaffirm your flame? My other choices: My Love (Mc Cartney) Love (Joni) but that's an easy pick. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:58:23 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: madrid njc Hi, Martin! And to all the JMDLers who expressed (on and off list) their regret about this terror: Many thanks for your loving thoughts: so many lives broken, so much horror... But... let me tell you something different: As you know, today were the General Elections here: so moved by the sadness that one wasn't able to find the joy, the democracy fest feeling of other years... but: the Socialist Party has won!!!!! no more conservatives on government, this time. Spanish population has said Nunca Mais: no more lies (a huge amount of them from the government these last years, even these last mournful days), no more disrespect for people's voice. As my beloved writer Javier Marias wrote today: sure every political party gives us a hundred of kicks in the ass, but the Partido Popular fulfills easily its share: and one must choose the party that, at least, tries to balance the real needs, that gives us maybe 70 or 80 kicks, but no more. As usual, I can't express myself clearly: I just wanted to tell us there is a clear hope now, here in Spain. Besides, the spanish soldiers in Irak will return home soon, and an ugly man we all know is a little lonier by now. Kisses and Red Roses for All of You! Have a Wonderful time! Yours: Emiliano NP: Crazy Cries of Love, Kanata, 30/10/98 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Martin Giles" Para: Enviado: domingo, 14 de marzo de 2004 22:15 Asunto: Re: madrid njc > Just want to say how sorry I am to hear about the aweful events in Spain > this week. > > Martin. In London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:19:38 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Stryngs news (NJC) Hi, Chris & Martin! I'm very glad for you!: sure you deserve it! These Orange County Music Awards sure are of highest level, as one can infers from their taste. The fact that aren't, by now, very popular awards will change soon: when they give the prize to Stryngs, that will be a matter of achievement highest popularity for them through the years to come! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:15:20 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Woman of Heart and Mind Hi, Bob! Many thanks for your review! (I was waiting for you words, indeed). Surely was a very interesting meeting (as you review): I don't know no other of these American Masters documents, but the Joni Mitchell; WOHAM is a piece of art, so well conceived! Susan Lacy made a great great work producing it: it's sad to read about financial difficulties regarding these projects. By the way, surely in Dylan's case they're going to discard *tons* of material (he's the man of the never-ending-tour! I only hope they decide to show some footage from his performance in front of Johannes Paulus II (that were a good aim, Bob) Just a little joke: > 4. American Masters policy is not to show the artist advance footage prior > to completion (showing ?) of the film. In this case, Joni begged, and Susan > let her see 10 minutes in advance. Caveat - no smoking in the center. Joni > agreed, and stuck to the 10 minute agreement without pressing for more. Not easy > for Joni to do. Susan confirmed that "Joni's a big talker". One of the > interviews lasted 7 hours, counting Joni's digressions and general raconteuring. Well, it smoking wasn't allowed, of course Joni didn't ask for more time: I'd bet she'd be very nervous watching it ten minutes without a cigarette on! Well, thanks again, Bob; I'm glad you've enjoyed the John Kelly show at the Fez, too! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Amelia, Kanata, 30/10/98 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:20:44 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Stryngs (NJC Chris and Martin and Stryngs- Best to you guys! I hope you win and they ask you to be at the awards all expenses paid to collect your trophy. Looking forward to seeing you guys again soon. Love to all Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:23:14 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: John Kelly show Hi Bob- Thanks for the report. I have been dying to see the fab John Kelly for years now but can't seem to be in the same place at the same time with him. I did do some programming for his VG-8 as well as acquire it for him. He was very sweet and sent me a hard shell case for my own VG-8 and his book which is so beautifully done. I hope to get to see him in NYC this summer. Best Paz > I got to catch John Kelly's "Get Up and Jive: Even More Songs of Joni > Mitchell" last night at the Fez in Greenwich Village (Lafayette St. at Great > Jones - > sort of 3rd St.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:26:47 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The male Joni Mitchell ;>) (NJC) Hi Kerry- My friend Freddy Koella is playing guitar and fiddle (sometimes) in Dylan's band. We are so proud of him here at home. He use to work regularly with my friend Zachary Richard (check out his album Caps Enrage' on his web site zacharyrichard.com, it is one of my top ten records of all time). Freddy also just produced the subdudes new record Miracle Mule, that will be out on April 20 (just in time for jazz fest). It is a really good record and I am so happy to have an advance copy as I have been jonesin for a new subdudes record. Paz > I had the opportunity to go to my first Bob Dylan concert on Friday night. I > have to admit that I am a recent convert to him because I could never get past > his voice. Now I'm convinced that he's nothing short of genius. > > Back to the concert. Even though a lot of the songs he did were new to me, I > thought they were fantastic. His band was excellent, although it was hard to > hear Bob on keyboard. Despite the venue being an old ballroom with poor > acoustics, I thought the sound was surprisingly good. It was one of the best > concerts I've ever been to and I kept asking myself how I could have gone > without his music for so long!!!!! > > The evening ended with "Like a Rolling Stone" and a SEARING version of "All > Along the Watchtower." It doesn't get any better than that. > > Kerry ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #109 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)