From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #97 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 4 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 097 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Super Tues. NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni dance show on CBC- From time to Time ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Trivia or something [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Like a young Joni Mitchell" - njc [Steve Polifka ] Joni would love this diet [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni would love this diet NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Joni would love this diet NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: An Open Letter to Ralph Nader NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Fiddle And The Drum had music? [Randy Remote ] Fw: Joni would love this diet NJC (for AOL, non-MAC users) [Emiliano ] Re: Fiddle And The Drum had music? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: An Open Letter to Ralph Nader NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Fiddle And The Drum had music? ["Richard Flynn" ] concert for George NJC [vince ] Re: Joni to Sir Ian McKellan in 7 steps [Debi ] Re: Oscar Joni ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni would love this diet (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: An Open Letter to Ralph Nader NJC ["Kakki" ] Cover news [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Today's Library Links: March 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 03:20:14 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Super Tues. NJC Subject: Edwards out Kerry is nominee njc Thanks to Edwards for a great campaign time to unite Kerry/Edwards?????? would be sweet Vince Edwards ran one of the cleanest, most positive campaigns in modern American political history. Kerry stole some of his ideas and positions. Once the party establishment...and the media....lined up behind Kerry, there was no hope for Edwards. I don't think there will be a Kerry/Edwards ticket. I will vote for Kerry but not with any joy at all...many people think K. doesn't stand a chance once the Repubs let loose the flying monkeys. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 01:46:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc Yes I did see it which is why I didn't get the nomination... I didn't dislike it, it was sort of interesting & different but to me just not nomination material... but that is just my personal taste... Me>>I still don't get the nomination or the award for lost in translation though... Jennifer >>Have you seen this movie? I thought it was very good. Not often are movies are about two lost people who are far different in age who happen to meet in a very different environment and then click and talk about or teach each other something to help them move along. Maybe I just identify with Scarlett Johannsen's character. Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 01:52:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni dance show on CBC- From time to Time I'm far from a modern dance expert but I took classes for a few years... Maybe it was my teacher, but I really loved it... She integrated many other forms into her teaching including african, ballet & jazz... One of the pieces she choreographed for us for the yearly show was 'she' the song that emmylou sings but I can't remember who the singer was that she used for the piece... It was really a great experience... >>I must confess, I'm not a big modern dance fan. I just don't `get`` a lot of modern dance. It doesn't move me.... Whodda thunk you could set modern choreography to fairly slow-paced vocal / orchestral music? Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 07:18:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni dance show on CBC- From time to Time **From Time to Time is a small dance film, about 40 minurtes long** Thanks for the review, Michael. But if you're going to misspell "minutes" in a dance write-up, shouldn't it be "minuets"? Like I said, I'm not much interested in dance, I was just curious to know if the recordings used were Joni's or if there was going to be an orchestra or band playing her music - THAT would have been a covers coup! :~) Bob NP: Norah Jones, "Sunrise" This is a knockout of a record! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 07:30:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Berkeley Joni Tribute **It'll be her and six other women, including Rachel Bissex, who I really enjoyed at Folk Alliance.** I'm betting that Rachel will perform "Last Time I Saw Richard" since she's recorded it already. Thanks for the note on that Tribute gig Steve. Sounds like a nice ocassion for a West Coast meeting to me. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:07:30 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni dance show on CBC- From time to Time Michael from Quebec is sending me his copy and when I receive it I am happy to dub it for anyone that is interested, for blanks and postage or the equivilent in money. Please e-mail me off list. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 08:37:10 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: mondegreens/Spectrum concert '76 But I only have one spare bedroom so I can't handle y'all at once! :~) First, lemme say thanks to that quiet guy in the corner who runs this whole shebang...Les gave this me a long time ago and I was blown away by it as well, Janine. Second, I've made LOTS of copies of it but of course am always happy to make more, so if you want this incredible 2-CD set for B&P or costs for same, just ask. Bob NP: John Mayer, "The Wind Cries Mary" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 08:59:56 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Fiddle And The Drum had music? Hot off the presses comes this nice article: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1146 I'm especially intrigued by this closing comment: "As she was tuning her guitar for And So Once Again, one of the strings broke. Undaunted, Joni set the guitar against a stool and sang the number, the story of a young man and his girl who break up when he goes off to war, without accompaniment, something a lesser performer would never have attempted." OK, so I'm assuming that 'And So Once Again" is actually what we all know is "The Fiddle & The Drum". It seems that Joni had music for it, but perhaps due to this performance mishap, decided to retain it as an acapella number, maybe sensing that the song had more power in this incarnation. I don't know, I'm just reading between the lines here. Thoughts? If anyone has a recording of this show, feel free to forward it to me - it would help in formulating my opinion. ;~) Bob NP: John Mayer, "Come Back To Bed" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:10:45 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Super Tues. NJC BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: >Subject: Edwards out Kerry is nominee njc > >Thanks to Edwards for a great campaign > >time to unite > >Kerry/Edwards?????? would be sweet > >Vince > >Edwards ran one of the cleanest, most positive campaigns in modern American >political history. Kerry stole some of his ideas and positions. Once the party >establishment...and the media....lined up behind Kerry, there was no hope for >Edwards > I don't get that. Edwards ran his share of barbs. And remember, I voted for him, I am not antiEdwards. That one candidate picks up the themes f anoither - that is what a primart camaugn is about, how the consensus on what the issues are. Not that Kerry needed to be given these things sui generis - all of the candidates showed together what the issues were to lift up to what height - and the Democratic establishment - in the Michigan caucus someone I didn't get that telegam. I spoke with almsst all 500 of our voters. Kerry got 52% of the vote. A few were Kerry fans from the beginning, The restt thought he was the one most likely to beat Bush. Edwards is a one term senator with no legislative accomplishments so those who voted not for him had their reasons. Some friends from Iowa who saw Edwards a lot in small groups thought he was awfully slick and scripted. Maybe that is why Edwards won only 1 state and lost 25+ others, So I really think to the extent that Edwards influenced Kerry, that always happens. It is supposed to happen in the evolving of the consnesus party message, To the extent that Kerry was somehow picked by the establishment over the people's candidate doesn't seem to be from what I see to be so. This isn't 1968 when the party bosses picked HHH over McCarthy. We are coming out of over 25 primaries and caucuses. The people that I know who unlike me voted for Kerry over Edwards did so for their reasons, not because of party bosses. I also don't see the media thing at all. Please educate me, please teach me and show me what I missed because I want to know. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:12:07 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Trivia or something Isn't that mind-blowing video, Jono? Thanks to Doug for unearthing this treasure last year for us. It's not clear though if the slack-jawed gawking is due to Joni's: a) Physical appearance (she is fairy-tale gorgeous here) b) Songwriting ability (like you say her sophistication pretty much shames the 'hootenanny' folks, even given that she was surrounded by some very talented folks) c) Singing ability (displays her range effortlessly) d) Guitar skills I would vote for "e" all of the above. What a frickin' combo! I'll never forget "premiering" this at last year's fest and just loving watching everyone's reaction. Bob NP: John Mayer, "Daughters" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 08:51:02 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: "Like a young Joni Mitchell" - njc At 06:38 PM 3/2/2004 -0500, Catherine McKay wrote: >Ah well, that's what I figured. Every young chick >singer/songwriter is a new Joni Mitchell. Don'tya hate >that? I wonder who the new Britney is? Everybody else! ;-P Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:21:03 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Trivia or something > Gee Jim, you can sure get a lot of mileage out of a simple question. I wasn't > trying to categorize Joni. She is one of the greatest song writers of the 20th > and 21 centuries. She just happens to be a woman. In the late 50's and 60's > there just wasn't many recognized female singer/song writers, and it just so > happened that Joni, Carole King, Laura Nyro and Janis Ian "open the doors" so > to speak for other women to follow in their path. And, they are very much > looked up to for their leading the way. > > I just watched the"Let's Sing Out" video, and the host, Oscar Brand, made it > quite clear that people performing their own music was quite a new thing at > that time ('65/'66). Shit, Joni blew them right away. The other performers > were gawking(slack jawed) at her from the side when she was singing. > Jono > They do all look like caricatures from A Might Wind! But Joni simply glows with honesty and beauty. Keats should come back and write a sonnet to her: Ode to Joni. Actually I did write a poem once called For Joni that did get published and all my friends thought it was of course to JM. But it was actually to a watercolor artist friend of mine, another Joni who was born Joan. Jerry, who just LOVED Bette's Kiss My Brass show, no matter what it cost ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:26:09 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni would love this diet New Nietzschean Diet Lets You Eat Whatever You Fear Most NEW YORK While dieters are accustomed to exercises of will, a new English translation of Germany's most popular diet book takes the concept to a new philosophical level. The Nietzschean diet, which commands its adherents to eat superhuman amounts of whatever they most fear, is developing a strong following in America. Fat Is Dead, proclaims the ambitious title of the dense, aphoristic nutrition plan, which was written by Friedrich Nietzsche in the late 1880s and unearthed three years ago. After reaching bestseller lists in Europe, the book was translated into English by R.J. Hollingdale and published by Avon last month. "One must strive to eat dangerously as one comes into the Will to Power Oneself Thin," Nietzsche wrote. "What do you fear? By this are you truly Fattened. You must embrace your Fears, as well as your Fat, and learn to Laugh as you consume them, along with Generous Portions of Simple Salad. Remember, as you stare into the lettuce, the lettuce stares also into you." First formulated by Nietzsche, who felt lassitude and weltschmerz overcome him after a steady diet of Schopenhauer, the diet retains elements of that philosopher's "The Fruit Bowl As Will And Representation," but adds a persuasive personal challenge. "The basics of the Nietzschean regimen are simple," Hollingdale wrote in the book's foreword. "The dieter exercises a painful amount of self-honesty in order to identify the primary object of his or her deepest human dread as personified by a wide-ranging group of foodstuffs. Once the dieter's Fear has been identified, he eats that food exclusively, in unlimited amounts, until the food no longer appetizers or frightens him. Having completed his gorge and transcended his fear, the dieter fasts for 20 days on water and Simple Salad. The dieter also engages in moderate metaphysical exercise, drinks eight brimming bowls of water every day, and 'opens the Gates of Dread and Fiber that remain closed to him in his Mundane Life' by taking fiber supplements." "By conquering your Fear, by eating it in Heroic Portions, by laughing at that Fear which you have eaten, one avoids the Eternal Recurrence of cyclic 'Yo-Yo' Weight Loss and Weight Gain," Nietzsche wrote. "And in so doing, one transcends Thinness. One discovers that he need not dwell forever on the chill, Wind-swept Borderland between Thin and Superthin." Fat Is Dead is selling briskly, as are the accompanying recipe pamphlets Beyond Food And Evil; Human, All Too Fat A Human; and Swiss Steak Zarathustra. Dieters report that they are reveling in the powerful Nietzschean weight-loss message of self-realization, transcendence, and the personal freedom to eat certain foods which are not allowed on the Atkins and South Beach diets. "The Carbohydrate is Evil all the wisest Men in Weight Loss have told us this," the 398-page book notes. "Oh, Fools who would run from Evil! What you say is true! But Only in Evil, and the passing of Evil, does a Dieter find his Strength! Only by eating of the Pasta and the Bread are we free! For the Greatest Evils are necessary for Man to achieve the Weight Loss of a Superman! As are Fasts and Fiber Tablets." Many Nietzschean dieters are reporting success, although some complain of side effects. Kansas City's John Mencken started the diet in January. He lost 35 pounds, eight inches from his waistline, and many of his slave moralities. He also lost the love of his life, Marissa Hapsgood, who walked out on Mencken after discovering his involvement in a romantic triangle with a poet and a sculptress. "What makes one skinny?" Mencken said. "To contemplate as with one mind two things: great fear and great hope. For when seen through a vitamin-fortified protein shake, are they not the same thing?" "What do you call 'bad'? Eating restricted amounts of that which shames you. What makes one most human? To spare shame to oneself," said Pete Hundmuth of Chicago, whose health and potency were severely shaken before he found the diet. "But where is your greatest danger? In pity and in sugar. By consuming pity in the form of a raw cookie dough, I am transformed." "Behold!" Hundmuth said, casting off his bathrobe and stepping out into the cold light of his garret. "I have rid myself of your mundane, earthly, narrow concept of Love Handles!" The Nietzschean diet has its critics. Detractors say the diet's actual nutritional requirements are vague, that it provides no concrete plan for progression toward weight-loss targets, and that the book consists mostly of unclear and unusually harsh sets of inspirational logical lacunae. "Those on Nietzsche's diet must remember that, while discipline and mastering one's fear are desirable, the specter of a man striving willfully and joyfully against a frigid universe while drinking deep of 'life's bitter broth' will not precipitate weight loss," nutritionist Dr. Frank Stearns said. "A few more non-allegorical recipes would have been nice, too." Stearns said it was worth noting that Nietzsche died depressed, delirious, and overweight in Zurich after 10 years of near-catatonia. "Those wishing to begin a diet, let alone a highly moralistic pre-Freudian diet, should consult with their physicians," Stearns said. "Otherwise, they run the risk of long-term health problems not to mention the possibility of their diet being misinterpreted by a rabidly cuisinophobic nationalist sect and used to justify a world takeover by diet Nazis." + The Onion | 3/3/2004 ) Copyright 2004 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:47:39 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni would love this diet NJC Thanks for the tip, Jerry...now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to conquer my fear of M&M's! :~) Bob NP: Edwin McCain, "Punish Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:08:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni would love this diet NJC i have always been very distressed at the sight of cheesecake. it does stare at one from the plate!!! wally, mustering courage to eat the last slice left in the fridge... > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Enviado el: Miircoles, 03 de Marzo de 2004 04:48 p.m. > Para: Jerry Notaro; Joni List > Asunto: Re: Joni would love this diet NJC > > > Thanks for the tip, Jerry...now if you'll excuse me, I'm off > to conquer my fear of M&M's! :~) > > Bob > > NP: Edwin McCain, "Punish Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 12:13:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Berkeley Joni Tribute SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I'm betting that Rachel will perform "Last Time I Saw Richard" So that's how "Friends" will end...thanks, now I don't have to watch it. RR, permantly depressed over the end of "Sex and the City", "Seinfeld", "Friends"..... and now our touchstone, our very own Siquomb has fallen to showing up at Hollywood parties for the free cigarettes....this is one of the signs of the end of times, I'm sure of it...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 12:21:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Ralph Nader NJC And here's Nader's reply-now I'm not voting for him, but he talks a good talk and I believe he is sincere. I don't think he is in it for ego, as others have said (or no more than any other candidate). http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040308&s=exchange [Nation's editors said] "Don't run." [excerpt from Nader's reply]: The Nation has editorialized about the spineless Democrats who could have stopped the two giant tax cuts for the wealthy, the unconstitutional war resolution, the Patriot(less) Act and John Ashcroft's nomination (to mention a few surrenders). Yet you have not pointed to any external ways to stiffen the resolve or jolt the passivity of Jefferson's party, which lately has become very good at electing very bad Republicans all by itself: (Nation's editor's replied: "Please don't run") Kate Bennett wrote: > A few weeks old but still relevant: > http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040216&s=editors2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 12:27:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: mondegreens/Spectrum concert '76 I would love to get ahold of this-everybody pray for Bob's CD burner, that it may convey the holy spirit of our Joni, that it may, in times of turmoil, find strength and succor (whatever that is), that it be spared by thee mercy from the darkness of a random power outage. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > South Carolina (scjoniguy) for this CD now!!!!! > > > But I only have one spare bedroom so I can't handle y'all at > once! :~) > > First, lemme say thanks to that quiet guy in the corner who > runs this whole shebang...Les gave this me a long time ago > and I was blown away by it as well, Janine. > Second, I've made LOTS of copies of it but of course am always > happy to make more, so if you want this incredible 2-CD set > for B&P or costs for same, just ask. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:46:36 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls Welcome back Lori! (and Donna insists it's "raving"). donna said: Yes and after all that raving about it I finally looked on the album cover version of the lyrics which says it's raven...so i guess we can all get some sleep finally. db This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 12:43:34 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Fiddle And The Drum had music? Remember that Warner Brothers LP sampler set: The Big Ball, Schlagers, etc?...there was a live version of TFATD on there, prefaced by Joni saying "This is a political song...Canadians aren't very political...even our prime minister isn't political..." Could this be the performance in question, or was it a later one? I'm sure I have this on vinyl somewheres....I seem to remember a larger audience in the background, whereas the article is about her "2 week engagement" at an Ottawa coffeehouse. RR Then again, maybe she was going to do one more song on guitar before TFATD, and the broken string prevented such.. (I hope I've helped clarifed things...) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Hot off the presses comes this nice article: > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1146 > > I'm especially intrigued by this closing comment: > > "As she was tuning her guitar for And So Once Again, one of the strings broke. Undaunted, Joni set the guitar against a stool and sang the number, the story of a young man and his girl who break up when he goes off to war, without accompaniment, something a lesser performer would never have attempted." > > OK, so I'm assuming that 'And So Once Again" is actually what > we all know is "The Fiddle & The Drum". It seems that Joni had > music for it, but perhaps due to this performance mishap, > decided to retain it as an acapella number, maybe sensing that > the song had more power in this incarnation. I don't know, I'm > just reading between the lines here. Thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:43:19 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Joni would love this diet NJC (for AOL, non-MAC users) humm, personally, I'm still digesting your post: Many Thanks Jerry! (I suppose you didn't invented this, didn't you? Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; "Jerry Notaro" ; "Joni List" Enviado: miircoles, 03 de marzo de 2004 21:08 Asunto: RE: Joni would love this diet NJC > i have always been very distressed at the sight of cheesecake. > it does stare at one from the plate!!! > > wally, mustering courage to eat the last slice left in the fridge... > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > > Enviado el: Miircoles, 03 de Marzo de 2004 04:48 p.m. > > Para: Jerry Notaro; Joni List > > Asunto: Re: Joni would love this diet NJC > > > > > > Thanks for the tip, Jerry...now if you'll excuse me, I'm off > > to conquer my fear of M&M's! :~) > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Edwin McCain, "Punish Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:46:31 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: mondegreens/Spectrum concert '76 Hi! Remember, if you're from outside the USA, or if your name is Randy: don't ask Bob for this concert: I'll send a good copy of this piece of beauty to you! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Let It Be Me, Laura Nyro, San Francisco, 7 May '94 - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Randy Remote" Para: ; Enviado: miircoles, 03 de marzo de 2004 21:27 Asunto: Re: mondegreens/Spectrum concert '76 > I would love to get ahold of this-everybody pray for Bob's > CD burner, that it may convey the holy spirit of our Joni, that > it may, in times of turmoil, find strength and succor (whatever > that is), that it be spared by thee mercy from the darkness of > a random power outage. > > > SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > > South Carolina (scjoniguy) for this CD now!!!!! > > > > > But I only have one spare bedroom so I can't handle y'all at > > once! :~) > > > > First, lemme say thanks to that quiet guy in the corner who > > runs this whole shebang...Les gave this me a long time ago > > and I was blown away by it as well, Janine. > > Second, I've made LOTS of copies of it but of course am always > > happy to make more, so if you want this incredible 2-CD set > > for B&P or costs for same, just ask ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 16:08:23 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fiddle And The Drum had music? No, the one you're talking about is from her 1969 appearance at Carnegie Hall, which will hopefully see the light of day sometime. By then she had determined that the song was going to an acapella number, but from the sounds of that article, at this earlier appearance she was preparing to play behind it. I suppose she could have been tuning for another song while she was telling the story behind Fiddle & The Drum, I don't know. But it's a cool moment, like when she's talking on the air about a song that she had written the night before called "Both Sides Now"! Bob NP: Wings, "Venus & Mars" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:19:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: An Open Letter to Ralph Nader NJC Nader is important, his views are important, but that doesn't mean he ought to be running for president, especially at this point in time... I have to believe he is more intelligent & not so blindly egotistical to realize his power lies in endorsing the democratic nominee... Anyone who does not do so is in fact diluting the efforts to unseat Bush. An obvious statement I know but something I am not sure all the candidates have come to terms with yet. What a powerful statement it would be for the others (including Nader) to put aside their differences (& egos) & support Kerry with enthusiasm. Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 16:38:47 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: An Open Letter to Ralph Nader NJC I read a great article this week written by John Anderson (perennial 3rd party candidate from long ago) in which he outlines what I think is a superb idea. It would truly give voice to a 3rd party in our country and break this ugly chain of having to vote AGAINST somebody we don't want. Check it out: http://www.workingforchange.com/printitem.cfm?itemid=16519 Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:02:02 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fw: Joni would love this diet NJC (for AOL, non-MAC users) --- Emiliano wrote: > humm, personally, I'm still digesting your post: > Many Thanks Jerry! > (I suppose you didn't invented this, didn't you? > Emiliano Yes, but, do you fear it? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:07:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Like a young Joni Mitchell" - vljc --- Ken wrote: > I don't think she has any thing at all similar to > Joni. Just hipe. > She has a beautiful voice mind you but sounds much > more like her mother > Karen Young. > There are some sound bites here if you would like to > hear. > http://www.justin-time.com/works/just1912/ You're right. Not at all like Joni - but a very pretty voice, and I think I may just buy this CD anyway. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:53:01 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Joni to Sir Ian McKellan in 7 steps Don't know if this has been discussed before but VH1 have just posed one of those little tests where you have to get from one person to another in a fixed number of steps. This one was Joni Mitchell to Ian McKellan in 7 steps during the advert break. I was nowhere near but some of you guys might like to stretch the brain cells and come up with some good ideas. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:17:41 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Twisted and the pretzel Rusty wrote: Thought I had fallen into one of those Jesus Christ 'through the looking glass' arguments that would twist Plato's head around a pretzel. Hi Rusty! Seen Alice anywhere? If Plato's head got twisted around a pretzel, maybe he could have been mentioned in Joni's song Twisted in addition to Edison and Einstein. I particularly like the verse that says, "They all laughed at angry young men, they all laughed at Edison and also at Einstein, so why should I feel sorry if they just couldn't understand the idiomatic logic that went on in my head..." Wonder what Joni meant by, "instead of one head, I got two"? Maybe she was saying there is more than one way to look at things and that variety and diversity of thinking are fun processes, characteristic of thought at it's finest... like genius but seemingly twisted to some as Joni says. I suppose the monk who looked at left over dough and about 1400 years folded it to represent children's arms folded in prayer was somewhat twisted too when he gave this treat out to kids as a reward for learning and called his it a "pretiola" which is Latin for little reward... pretzel as we say now. Peace, joy, and Joni awe, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:25:32 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: Joni to Sir Ian McKellan in 7 steps Hi, Recently re-subscribed because its almost spring break and no more grad work for a week (whee!!). Joni to Ian McKellen you said? Like 6-degrees of separation? Joni - Willie Nelson (via "Cool Water" in CMIARS) Willie Nelson - Robert De Niro (via "Wag the Dog") Robert De Niro - Diane Keaton ("Marvin's Room") Diane Keaton - Maggie Smith ("First Wives Club") Maggie Smith - Ian McKellen ("Richard III") Quoting Gertus@aol.com: > Don't know if this has been discussed before but VH1 have just posed > one of > those little tests where you have to get from one person to another > in a fixed > number of steps. This one was Joni Mitchell to Ian McKellan in 7 > steps during > the advert break. I was nowhere near but some of you guys might like > to > stretch the brain cells and come up with some good ideas. > > Jacky > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:48:12 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni to Sir Ian McKellan in 7 steps In a message dated 03/03/2004 22:57:30 GMT Standard Time, Gertus@aol.com writes: > This one was Joni Mitchell to Ian McKellan in 7 steps during > the advert break. Took me a bit longer but... Ian McKellan was in LOTR with Elijah Wood who was in The Ice Storm with Tobey Maguire who was in Sea Biscuit with Chris Cooper who was in Lone Star with Kris Kristofferson who was in Limbo with Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, who in that film sang Dimming of the Day by Richard Thompson, a song which was also covered by Bonnie Raitt, who covered That Song About The Midway by Joni Mitchell!! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:54:27 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni to Sir Ian McKellan in 7 steps Joni Mitchell appeared with Van Morrison in The Last Waltz Van Morrison composed Rod Stewart's big hit, "Have I Told You Lately That I Love You" Rod Stewart was romantically involved with Britt Ekland Britt Ekland appeared in The Wicker Man with Christoper Lee Christopher Lee appeared in Lord of the Rings with Ian McKellen Or, this one's shorter, but I have no idea if it's the same Ian Campell (The Wicker Man is set in Scotland and has a folkie musical score) Joni Mitchell composed "Dr Junk the Dentist Man," recorded by Ian Campbell Ian Campbell appeared in The Wicker Man with Christopher Lee Christopher Lee appeared in Lord of the Rings with Ian McKellen. At 05:53 PM 3/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Don't know if this has been discussed before but VH1 have just posed one of >those little tests where you have to get from one person to another in a >fixed >number of steps. This one was Joni Mitchell to Ian McKellan in 7 steps during >the advert break. I was nowhere near but some of you guys might like to >stretch the brain cells and come up with some good ideas. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:59:34 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Fiddle And The Drum had music? In the liner notes on that WB album it says, cryptically: " "The Fiddle And The Drum" A song about wars fought by men and nations, sung without accompaniment for the very simple reason that Joni offered to her sold-out Carnegie Hall audience before she begins to. From her Clouds LP, which was preceded by Song To A Seagull." Don't ask me what that means, but I believe that version is from Clouds. The version with the intro is from the "PBS TV" CD, believed to be Mississippi River Valley Festival, July 7 1969 Doug Randy Remote wrote: >Remember that Warner Brothers LP sampler set: The Big Ball, >Schlagers, etc?...there was a live version of TFATD on there, >prefaced by Joni saying "This is a political song...Canadians >aren't very political...even our prime minister isn't political..." >Could this be the performance in question, or was it a later one? >I'm sure I have this on vinyl somewheres....I seem to remember >a larger audience in the background, whereas the article is >about her "2 week engagement" at an Ottawa coffeehouse. >RR >Then again, maybe she was going to do one more song on >guitar before TFATD, and the broken string prevented such.. >(I hope I've helped clarifed things...) > >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Hot off the presses comes this nice article: >> >>http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1146 >> >>I'm especially intrigued by this closing comment: >> >>"As she was tuning her guitar for And So Once Again, one of the strings broke. Undaunted, Joni set the guitar against a stool and sang the number, the story of a young man and his girl who break up when he goes off to war, without accompaniment, something a lesser performer would never have attempted." >> >>OK, so I'm assuming that 'And So Once Again" is actually what >>we all know is "The Fiddle & The Drum". It seems that Joni had >>music for it, but perhaps due to this performance mishap, >>decided to retain it as an acapella number, maybe sensing that >>the song had more power in this incarnation. I don't know, I'm >>just reading between the lines here. Thoughts? >> >> > >. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:16:56 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Fiddle And The Drum had music? I retrieved my copy of *The 1969 Warner-Reprise Record Show*. The introduction, "My American Skirt" is from the concert, "The Fiddle and the Drum" is the album version. There is also another 40 second bit of stage patter from the Carnegie Hall concert called "Spoony's Wonderful Adventure." I actually mailed in for this one way back then. The records are in reasonably good shape, but the cover is pretty beat up. At that point, it was the only place one could get Jimi Hendrix's "Stone Free." The Joni is on the "Soft Arty Underbelly Side." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:00 PM To: Randy Remote Cc: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Fiddle And The Drum had music? In the liner notes on that WB album it says, cryptically: " "The Fiddle And The Drum" A song about wars fought by men and nations, sung without accompaniment for the very simple reason that Joni offered to her sold-out Carnegie Hall audience before she begins to. From her Clouds LP, which was preceded by Song To A Seagull." Don't ask me what that means, but I believe that version is from Clouds. The version with the intro is from the "PBS TV" CD, believed to be Mississippi River Valley Festival, July 7 1969 Doug Randy Remote wrote: >Remember that Warner Brothers LP sampler set: The Big Ball, >Schlagers, etc?...there was a live version of TFATD on there, >prefaced by Joni saying "This is a political song...Canadians >aren't very political...even our prime minister isn't political..." >Could this be the performance in question, or was it a later one? >I'm sure I have this on vinyl somewheres....I seem to remember >a larger audience in the background, whereas the article is >about her "2 week engagement" at an Ottawa coffeehouse. >RR >Then again, maybe she was going to do one more song on >guitar before TFATD, and the broken string prevented such.. >(I hope I've helped clarifed things...) > >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Hot off the presses comes this nice article: >> >>http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1146 >> >>I'm especially intrigued by this closing comment: >> >>"As she was tuning her guitar for And So Once Again, one of the strings broke. Undaunted, Joni set the guitar against a stool and sang the number, the story of a young man and his girl who break up when he goes off to war, without accompaniment, something a lesser performer would never have attempted." >> >>OK, so I'm assuming that 'And So Once Again" is actually what >>we all know is "The Fiddle & The Drum". It seems that Joni had >>music for it, but perhaps due to this performance mishap, >>decided to retain it as an acapella number, maybe sensing that >>the song had more power in this incarnation. I don't know, I'm >>just reading between the lines here. Thoughts? >> >> > >. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:23:20 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Joni to Sir Ian McKellan in 7 steps Return-path: From: KJHSF@aol.com Full-name: KJHSF Message-ID: <5b.48b6fa3b.2d77d03b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:20:11 EST Subject: Re: Joni to Sir Ian McKellan in 7 steps To: Gertus@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5100 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I don't know if this counts but here goes: before it was changed to "crazy crow," joni's publishing company was something like "gandolf music." Ian McKellan played Gandolf in LOTR. that's at least referentially connected in one easy step, is it not? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 00:24:59 +0000 From: colin Subject: puppy update njc 12th day and another one gave up. The littlest boy. 3 left, 1 boy and 2 girls. all these have gained weight and seem to be doing okay. they weigh between 7-8 ozs eacj. The other 6 in the okay litter weight 20ozs and are the same age.... still feeding ev 2 hrs. now have heavy cold and feeling rahter pissed off. time to listen to TI to cheer myself up..... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 00:17:42 -0500 From: vince Subject: concert for George NJC Last Saturday I had to male a day trip to Chicago and to make this one more trip to Chicago survivable I listened to all 6 cds in the Beatles Anthology and I was really struck by the musicianship of George I should point out that George was "my" Beatle and probably the first real male that I ever really l had a erotic attachment for turned out irony that the love of my my life turned out to be named George (he never used that name any more than I use my given first name but what the hell, it was his name even though he didn't go by that) and we are irretrievably apart but we are in the midst of all of our good anniversaries - everything from February 15 through March 4 was really good (when we met, ring, other things) tonight I was sitting at my local ar just about to leave when a friend named George (who is straight as hell, damn it) showed up looking for me and we sat and watched the concert for George on PBS - one thing that struck me listening to Anthology was the stripped down version, the original, of All Things Must Pass which really, really spoke to me in the car at 2 am and hearing it again tonight (all right sung by Paul by it was still George's song) - there is so much truth there life is a series of circles we never move forward we never move back we travel around on the same circle (not an original thought with me) sometimes the circumference is large and sometimes smaller (Ben Stiller just mentioned Joni Mitchell on David Letterman as I type this but I missed why) but I hope somewhere that George knows what he meant - he had so much impact on me - this kind of shy guy who had something to offer and he stood in the midst of all that talent and was himself and that taught me early on something that I have never forgotten - and reminded me of something that I need to remember - as much as I wish George were here right now (and name the George of your choice in my life) all things must pass could he have ever known how much he meant to some of us? Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:37:15 -0800 (PST) From: Debi Subject: Re: Joni to Sir Ian McKellan in 7 steps Azeem, Richard Thompson covered Joni's *Black Crow* and *Woodstock*, I do beleive at the TNT tribute in NY back in 2000. Debi AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 03/03/2004 22:57:30 GMT Standard Time, Gertus@aol.com writes: > This one was Joni Mitchell to Ian McKellan in 7 steps during > the advert break. Took me a bit longer but... Ian McKellan was in LOTR with Elijah Wood who was in The Ice Storm with Tobey Maguire who was in Sea Biscuit with Chris Cooper who was in Lone Star with Kris Kristofferson who was in Limbo with Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, who in that film sang Dimming of the Day by Richard Thompson, a song which was also covered by Bonnie Raitt, who covered That Song About The Midway by Joni Mitchell!! Azeem in London **************************** It's all a dream, She has awoke... **************************** Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:56:44 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Oscar Joni Randy wrote: > and now our touchstone, our very own Siquomb has > fallen to showing up at Hollywood parties for the free cigarettes....this > is one of the signs of the end of times, I'm sure of it...... Now, now, I was happy to hear she was making the rounds at the Oscar parties! I like that she is out and about in L.A. mingling amongst it all. Lends a bit of substance to the soiree. Remember that she was photographed at the Vanity Fair Oscar party a few years back with Madonna and Cher and I think a cig... ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:05:13 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni would love this diet (njc) > "Those wishing to begin a diet, let alone a highly moralistic pre-Freudian > diet, should consult with their physicians," Stearns said. "Otherwise, they > run the risk of long-term health problems not to mention the possibility of > their diet being misinterpreted by a rabidly cuisinophobic nationalist sect > and used to justify a world takeover by diet Nazis." LOLOL - Gawd, I love the Onion (though it's getting to be anymore that sometimes people don't know what is a joke and what is real). I saw another Onion-like news release spoof today that said Bush knew in advance that there was water on Mars and he spent $800 million of taxpayers dollars on the rover program on behalf of Halliburton's interest because where there is water there is oil. Some people wrote in and actually believed that someone wrote this seriously. LOL, er, maybe I shouldn't laugh ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 23:24:16 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Ralph Nader NJC Bob wrote: > I read a great article this week written by John Anderson > (perennial 3rd party candidate from long ago) in which he > outlines what I think is a superb idea. It would truly give > voice to a 3rd party in our country and break this ugly chain > of having to vote AGAINST somebody we don't want. > > Check it out: http://www.workingforchange.com/printitem.cfm?itemid=16519 Wow, John Anderson is still around? Between him and Nader still being active out there, I don't feel so old ;-) The voting age was lowered to 18 around the time I turned that age and I was already so disgusted by politics I chose to register as an Independent. I naively thought that was probably the place for all those independent-minded, in the middle people. Then later, when it was time to vote for President, I thought I don't even know John Anderson, or what he stands for. I ended up voting for no one for President. Kind of another example of how third party candidates get short shrift by the media. Sometimes I think that the current two major parties are going to morph off into four parties, or perhaps three. The run-off voting sounds like a good idea on paper, but my next thought is that it could be expensive, make politics even more nasty and confused and open up a bigger opportunity for voter fraud. Can you imagine having FIVE candidates all running off to the courts asking for recounts in every state? UGH. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 02:28:45 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Cover news http://www.playbill.com/news/article/84720.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 02:32:24 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: March 4 On March 4 the following articles were published: 1971: "Joni Takes a Break" - Rolling Stone (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=296 1991: "Navigator of the Deep" - Time (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=789 2003: "Singer's life reflected in her music, film shows" - CanWest News Service (Review - Documentary) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1059 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #97 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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