From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #94 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 1 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 094 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Trivia 2 (NJC) ["hell" ] song for a funeral NJC [=?iso-8859-1?q?Tamsin=20Lucas?= ] Re: Watching the Oscars njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: PNP njc [Jerry Notaro ] NJC New Bryan Thomas CD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Gibson's movie njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Watching the Oscars njc [colin ] Re: Watching the Oscars njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Pic of John Kelly as Joni in Sunday's New York Times ["Timothy Spong" ] RE: Watching the Oscars njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: re Gibson movie njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Watching the Oscars njc [colin ] Re: Gibson's movie njc [Deb Messling ] Joni Covers - the BIG 5-0! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Watching the Oscars njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Watching the Oscars njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Gibson's movie njc [colin ] Re: Watching the Oscars njc [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Watching the Oscars njc [hell@ihug.co.nz] Sting and Joni Exchange ["William" ] Re: Watching the Oscars njc [hell@ihug.co.nz] Emmy (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: njc Gibson's movie ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Gibson's movie njc [Deb Messling ] Re: re Gibson movie njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Gibson's movie njc [colin ] RE: Emmy (NJC) ["Richard Flynn" ] Trivia ["Kate Bennett" ] re Gibson movie njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Trivia [David Sadowski ] From Time To Time [Doug ] Voting njc ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC Re: From Time To Time [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: njc Gibson's movie [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] "Like a young Joni Mitchell" - vljc [Catherine McKay ] RE: njc Gibson's movie ["Kate Bennett" ] Folk alliance weekend ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Trivia njc [Catgirl ] Re: Watching the Oscars njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Gibson's movie njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:00:29 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Trivia 2 (NJC) Gary wrote: > I have a copy of "The City" on CD but it has been released as "Now That > Everything's Been Said" with "The City" as a subtitle. It has the songs > you mention. You can see it here: "The City" was actually the name of the band (King, Larkey and Kortchmar), and "Now That Everything's Been Said" the name of the album, which I have on vinyl - soon to be transferred to CD! Another (incredibly under-rated, IMO) singer-songwriter that preceded Joni was Janis Ian, who had a hit with "Society's Child" in 1966 at the age of 15, and her self-titled debut album earned 9 Grammy nominations in 1967. Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - now even MORE new and improved! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:33:54 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tamsin=20Lucas?= Subject: song for a funeral NJC Got to be Sandy Denny's "Who knows where the time goes". Obvious choice but sublime. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:49:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: PNP njc Wally Kairuz wrote: >does anybody know what "PNP" stand for in gay personal ads? >wally > > > pink nipple pins? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:21:11 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc **The wonderful Dirty Pretty Things is nominated, so I'm happy, and if it wins I will be over the moon!** I thought about you when I heard that nomination, Azeem. Haven't seen that one yet, will have to wait for the DVD I assume, although our film society is bringing in 4 films in March that will allow me to see some of the nominees that never made it here. And of course, I thought of Hell in NZ all night, I think she was even thanked at some point! Congrats to your homeland Hell, I know you're all very proud of Mr. Jackson. I thought all in all it was a very classy presentation. Did Renee Zellwweger slip an f-word in there during the pre-show or was it my imagination? Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "The Face That Launched 1000 Ships" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 08:08:24 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: PNP njc > Wally Kairuz wrote: > >> does anybody know what "PNP" stand for in gay personal ads? >> wally >> >> >> > pink nipple pins? Party and Play. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:19:55 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC New Bryan Thomas CD Just showed up on cdbaby today. And priced to move at $10! For those of you who don't know, Bryan is a member of the JMDL and sometimes-fest attendee, tremendously talented and way too humble. And now a Daddy too! Check out samples and buy it at: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/thomasb3 Bob NP: Branford Marsalis, "Bullworth" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:15:04 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Gibson's movie njc I haven't seen the movie, but friends who have seen it think it is very good. Again, although I haven't seen it, I don't know what the fuss is about either. If the movie is historical, isn't it okay that the story be told? Is the movie historical? Is this what really happened to a man named Jesus Christ? (Although I went to catholic school for 8 years, I didn't really pay that much attention to the story of Christ.) (this probably sounds rather funny). .. . Marianne >actually, i dont get the fuss. jesus was killed. he was crucified. the >"jewish" leaders did it. it wasnt pretty, & the movie doesnt attempt to >make >it pretty. from what ive heard the film appears to be consistent with >historical records in the portrayal of the brutality of crucifixion (and >the >scourging and torture that goes with it). maybe it is overdone, - maybe >some day ill bother to go see it, but generally these overblown, overhyped >movies are not worth the time & effort to go see :-) >ron _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 15:35:17 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Did Renee Zellwweger >slip an f-word in there during the pre-show or was it my imagination? > > > We have this new hard disc thing which allows us to record 2 programs at once or puase a broadcast. Anyway, UI recorded the Oscars and watched it all this morning and stayed off list and away from news cahnnles till i had. i replayed the Renee bit a few times and no i don't think she swore. She stumbled over her words and it sort of sounded like maybe she ahd but feel confidenet she didn't. i don't think it was a case of almost saying it either-she just stumbled and it was on an ef-ish sound but I don't think it was her almost saying it. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:57:35 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc Thanks for checking back on that, Colin. It sure did sound to me like she said "I just want to f*cking get it over with" when the reporter asked her about her presentation and if she was nervous. As soon as she said it Nicole Kidman started to laugh, and then it looked like all parties wanted to gloss over it quickly in light of the whole Bono/Janet Jackson stuff. And I thought Billy Crystal did an excellent job, I loved the intro bit where he was in all the movies and also the song parodies. How did the Oscars jive up with the BAFTA's? Bob NP: Marvelous 3, "over your head" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:06:39 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Pic of John Kelly as Joni in Sunday's New York Times All, In Sunday's (Feb. 29) New York Times, in Section 2, "Arts and Leisure," on Page 31 (inside back page,) in the upper left corner under a heading "MUSIC," is a picture with the following caption: John Kelly performs his tribute to Joni Mitchell, "Get Up and Jive," Friday and Saturday nights at the Fez downtown through March 27. In the picture, John is in character, with long blond hair, clothing that Joni might wear and holding -- apparently playing -- a flattop guitar. The section number and page number are for the Washington (D.C.) edition of The Times that we receive in my area. Different editions appear in different parts of the U.S.A. Abroad, instead of "The New York Times," there is The International Herald Tribune, produced by the same company. At one time, IHT was a joint venture of The Times, The Washington Post and CBS. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:19:04 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pic of John Kelly as Joni in Sunday's New York Times Anybody seen this yet? And what about that dance show last week on Canadian TV? Michael O'Malley - did you watch it? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:34:35 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Jesus, sin, etc. SJC Kevin A wrote: "What this and other respondents and people everywhere fail to realize is that the whole "bore our sins, died for our sins" idea is that "THE SON" was Spiritually seperated from "THE FATHER" when "THE FATHER" actually placed all the weight and horror of all the actual SIN of the world on JESUS THE SON and being ETERNITY itself JESUS' suffering of seperation from the FATHER(who is also Eternity itself) was sufficient to cover the suffering for all those who would come to have a real, literal spiritual relationship with HIM thru seeing their need for HIM turning to HIM in realized desperation and turning away from their old way of life with the help of HIS indwelling SPIRIT which HE gives to you in measure when you do come to HIM. And then continuing in a real, alive relationship with HIM with HIS SPIRIT LIFE in you and you in HIM. And JESUS never did anything but confirm the reality of SIN, never indicating that it was just an IDEA. There is no Scripture to back such a notion." Hi Kevin! May the peace of Christ be with you! I whole heartedly believe in and practice a personal relationship with God which I find very easy through Jesus even if I understand the scriptures and religion like a child rather than a scripture scholar or theologian. I love the simplicity of both St. Francis of Assisi who found God in nature and of St. Therese of Lisieux who found God in spiritual childhood. Yes, sin does exist... the term "sin" coming from the archery word meaning to "miss the mark" or the bull's eye as you probably know. It is a fact rather than just an abstract idea that nobody hits the bull's eye every time; everybody sins. And when Jesus' anima was rising, we were given the tool to say to past sin and to our ongoing inability to hit the mark, "so what!" and to undergo death and birth and death and birth and death and birth. Through the Via Dolorosa, we have an uninterupted way of sorrow we can find true liberation through. What I find awesome to remember when considering sin and the bull's eye is what St. Faustina calls God's greatest attribute, "mercy." God gives us more than just one arrow to play with. And speaking of beauty, these arrows come in all different forms and colors (some we might be very surprised to find God put in our quiver)... the Buddhist arrow, the atheist arrow, the Muhammad arrow, the Joe Smith arrow, the Shirley MacLaine arrow, the Mel Gibson arrow, the Marharishi Mahesh Yogi arrow, the Wiccan arrow, the Tim LaHaye arrow, the Billy Graham arrow, the Pope JP2 arrow, etc.... God can use them all, and that to me is truly beautiful and speaks of the magnificence of our Creator! Love and joy, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:46:13 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Over the Moon, NJC Azeem wrote: The wonderful Dirty Pretty Things is nominated, so I'm happy, and if it wins I will be over the moon! Hi Azeem! So if it wins, are you going to sing Kate Bennett's song Over the Moon?! "There's a rainbow over the Rivera, and blue sky everywhere...." Got me singing it my friend! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:53:30 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc Seemed to me that the sound people never turned on poor Elvis Costello's guitar during the song Allison Kraus sang, with background provided by a full choir. He resorted to putting the acoustic's sound hole up to his mic at the very end. It's a pity. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:52:37 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > Yes, I'm sad enough to watch the whole damn thing live, and stay up til 5am! > Just one question: > > Benicio Del Toro - did he dress and groom himself in the dark? What about director Peter Jackson? He has perfected the "just got out of bed in my clothes" look.... Loved Billy Crystal, his big movie intro, and his bit with Robin Williams. I wish they would cut out all the technical awards. Sure that stuff is important, but it's really boring and drags the thing on too long. Glad Sean Penn got his Best Actor, finally. Still have no desire to see Lord of the Rings, and will never buy the notion that Hobbits look like anorexic English school boys. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:06:11 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Watching the Oscars njc It sounded out of tune when he did! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of JRMCo1@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:54 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc Seemed to me that the sound people never turned on poor Elvis Costello's guitar during the song Allison Kraus sang, with background provided by a full choir. He resorted to putting the acoustic's sound hole up to his mic at the very end. It's a pity. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:10:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: re Gibson movie njc If it's true that the only way to Heaven (that mythical place that Christians used to think was just a few miles up in the sky, back when the earth was flat) is through confessing your sins unto Jesus, then all those Catholic priests that molested children are going to Heaven, but Ghandhi is not. Even believers could not be comforted by this, eh? RR who will not be seeing Gibson's movie, thank you very much. Would Jesus go see it? Was Mel Gibson sitting around one day wondering how to combine his religous convictions with his talent for making gratuitously violent movies? and>> colin wrote: > No one pays for my mistakes, i do. No one pays for your, you do. If you have enough power ie Bush, Hussein, Hitler, Clinton, Blair,etc other people will pay. Alcoholics typically leave a trail of victims. I wish it was true that assholes paid for it all themselves. It would probably clean up the world real fast. Look at that dictator guy from Chile. Killed all those people, tortured them. Lived to be 90. Martin Luther King, Jesus, and John Lennon didn't make to 40. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:26:30 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc Randy Remote wrote: >Glad Sean Penn got his Best Actor, finally. > > I had never really taken any notice of him. I have only seen one film with him in(unless he was in Copland?). That film showed me he was a consummate actor. It was called I Am Sam. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:33:33 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Gibson's movie njc I think the fuss is about the fact that passion plays, historically, have incited anti-Jewish sentiment and often anti-Jewish violence, and this particular cinematic passion play is careless in its depiction of the Jews' role in the death of Jesus. I am not a historian, but I think a consensus is emerging that this film is *not* historical in its portrayal of Pilate as a reluctant executioner. Gibson drew some of his scenes not from historical documents, nor from the Gospels, but from the writings of a 19th-century nun who claimed to have visions - many of them cruelly anti-semitic. At 10:15 AM 3/1/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Again, although I haven't seen it, >I don't know what the fuss is about either. If the movie is historical, >isn't it okay that the story be told? >Is the movie historical? >Is this what really happened to a man named Jesus Christ? It's important to remember that what happened to Jesus *CHRIST* is by definition not a historical question. There existed a Jesus of Nazareth, but whether or not he was the Christ is a matter of faith, not history. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:44:27 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni Covers - the BIG 5-0! Wow, whoda thunkit? Way back when I started this collection, I had to scramble to come up with enough material for Volume 1...now the things are spurting out like baby guppies! I'm just glad that the Covers series has turned 50 before I have! And #50 is another fine addition to what has been called the greatest CD compilation in the history of rock & roll (OK, so I'm the one that calls it that but what the hey). And I'd like to thank the Academy and these fine JMDLer's as well for pitching in: Victor Johnson Michael Paz Thanks, fellas for submitting some unreleased rarities to this set! And now, let's see what treasures await us on this volume, and the nominees are: 1. Danielle Howle - Woodstock: An unreleased and unplugged live version from Columbia, SC singer/songwriter Howle. 2. TRAP - Raised On Robbery: German pop/rock band does a fun version of Joni's rocker. 3. Cyril Ornadel - Both Sides Now: UK elevator version, a bit draggy. 4. Erik Espelid - A Case Of You: I like this one a lot; Erik's muse for this recording was Mark Kozolek (formerly of the Red House Painters) and he puts a nice moody edge on it, but very pretty. 5. Lew Soloff - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: Trumpet-driven instrumental take on the Charlie Mingus classic. 6. Nazareth - This Flight Tonight (mono): It is what is says it is, don't know why they released a mono version but they did. 7. Barry Phillips - Both Sides Now: Oh my, Barry gets a little over-the-top with dramatics here, at least it's a VERY unique version. 8. The Pete Barenbregge-Frank Russo Group - Woodstock: I put this one on the jazz-oriented "Not A Word" comp a couple of months back, it's a great mellow instrumental. 9. The New Seekers - Night In The City: A nice folk-group sound from the gang that gave us "I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing". 10. His Brothers Children - Both Sides Now: Another kid's chorus recording, they do throw in some nice harmonies at least. 11. The Chorallaries of MIT - All I Want: College acapella from Cambridge MA, fun arrangement and well done too! 12. Danielle Blanchard - Twisted: Fun & swinging, nice combo backing her up. 13. The Uptown Trio - Song For Sharon: The highlight of this CD for me, probably because it's not a common Joni cover, plus it's from Hejira, plus it's such a dang great song and these guys do such a bang-up job with it, using a rolling piano sound as opposed to a guitar. 14. Ryoko Moriyama - Both Sides Now: Sung in Japanese. 15. Restless Wind - Urge For Going: Folk from San Antonio, TX. Hear it for yourself at: http://66.82.75.68/restless/ 16. Kashmir - A Case Of You: 70's duo from the UK, another pretty version of a pretty song. 17. Erik Carlson - Rainy Night House: Very nice vocal from this Southern California singer/guitarist. Check out a sample at: http://www.erikcarlson.com/listen.html 18. Paul Jones - O Jerusalem/Both Sides Now: More fine acoustic music, this time from Minnesota. Hear a sample at: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/pauljones 19. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Woodstock: I know, I know, you've already heard this one...but not so fast! This is a demo version that sounds very different from what they released - definitely not a case of deja vu! Driven by an organ as opposed to the guitar. Cool! And that brings us to the end of another entry in the never-ending, laugh-in-the-face-of-death compilation series that is "Joni Undercover". As always, let me know if you're interested in getting a copy of your own and I'll be happy to make it happen. Bob NP: Dave Matthews/Tim Reynolds, "#41" 3/14/99 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:10:22 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc colin wrote: > Randy Remote wrote: > > >Glad Sean Penn got his Best Actor, finally. > > > > > I had never really taken any notice of him. I have only seen one film > with him in(unless he was in Copland?). That film showed me he was a > consummate actor. It was called I Am Sam. I would also heartily recommend "Sweet and Lowdown" about the second best guitarist in the world during the 1940's. Plus Uma Thurman! I'm also one of the few people who liked his film with Madonna (& produced by George Harrison), Shanghai Surprise. And speaking of the Oscars, how 'bout that Mitch and Mickey! And shouldn't "A Mighty Wind" have won something? RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:29:36 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc Subject: Re: Gibson's movie njc Deb Messling wrote: > but I think a consensus >is emerging that this film is *not* historical in its portrayal of Pilate >as a reluctant executioner. > This is what i was always taught-that Pilate was releuctant to do what the people wnated. I thinlk this is shown in even in JC Superstar. certainly it was what i was taught at svhool. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 10:52:29 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc Bob wrote: > And of course, I thought of Hell in NZ all night, > I think she was even thanked at some point! > Congrats to your homeland Hell, I know you're all > very proud of Mr. Jackson. That's for sure! Not a bad effort to win 11 Oscars for one film, but also for that film to win in every category that it's nominated! It would have been nice if Keisha had won as well, but Charlize Theron certainly deserved the Oscar - not an easy role to play, particularly given her own tragic past. I haven't seen "Monster" yet, but I'm very familiar with the story (see www.crimelibrary.com - my second favourite website after JM.com! - for the story of Aileen Wuornos). > I thought all in all it was a very classy > presentation. Yeah, and Billy Crystal did a great job as presenter, although not EVERYONE in NZ was thanked - I think there might have been one or two babies born in the last 12 hours who missed out.... Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 10:58:26 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc RR wrote: > And speaking of the Oscars, how 'bout that Mitch > and Mickey! And shouldn't "A Mighty Wind" have > won something? I would have loved that - it was one of my favourite movies of last year, although I actually saw it in January this year, when it came out on DVD. I love all of Guest's movies - - Waiting For Guffman, Best In Show, etc. but I think this was his best effort. They're not necessarily "laugh out loud" movies at first sight, but there are some certainly some incredibly funny moments. And my respect for the actors went up several notches after I heard that the movies are basically unscripted - Guest/Levy give them an outline of the character/plot then they're free to ad-lib at will! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:04:10 -0000 From: "William" Subject: Sting and Joni Exchange On Radio 2, Katie Melua says Joni Mitchell is a big influence. I looked up her website and sure enough: <<>> On Liquid News 7pm, Sting confesses to having 'schmoozed with Joni Mitchell' at this year's Oscars. WtS x ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:06:28 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc Bob wrote: > Best Mockumentary? I thought it was a wonderful > flick, and it really showed Levy's/O'Hara's > talents that they could not just act their parts, > but sing & play as well. What a bittersweet > segment. And I thought "Kiss at the End of the > Rainbow" was the best song of the lot, and the > LOTR song the worst. Personally (although I loved Mitch and Mickey) I thought that "Belleville Rendez-vous" and "You Will Be My Ain True Love" were better than both of them! Incidentally, for those that don't know, Fran Walsh's lyrics to "Into The West" were inspired by a young NZ film-maker, Cameron Duncan, who died of cancer last year at the age of 18. I've seen some of his work, and it was truly remarkable for someone so young. He certainly would have had an incredible career if he'd managed to beat the disease. > As for Penn, when you include his knockout > performance in 21 Grams along with his powerhouse > work in Mystic River, his Oscar was a shoo-in. > Though it would have been a gas to see Bill Murray > get it, I just hope he gets some more > roles as good in the future. I've always thought Bill Murray is a great actor, and he's one of my favourites. I heard he ad-libbed so much during the making of Ghostbusters that they just about threw away the script and gave him a free rein - except that it became increasingly difficult to film, since his co-stars were in fits of laughter much of the time! Hell - definitely breaking my posting limit for the day! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:33:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Emmy (NJC) Chuck>>I love Emmylou as well. I have all of these on vinyl, (and Quarter Moon on CD because I had just about worn out the record). I may sing Quarter Moon at this year's northeast Jonifest, especially if you come...I've found it bears up all right thru a gender transposition...< I love emmy too! Have seen her many times, have played many of her songs over the years including the above (easy from now on is the official title I think although the album was called quarter moon?).... Maybe we need a special emmylou sing a long workshop! speaking of mondogreens I am embarrassed to admit that all these years I have sung the song you quote (below) as alligator bait! Lol... Think I mondogreened a few poncho & lefty lines too! >...."it's Alligator Day and the bars don't close..." ChuckE< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:20:33 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: njc Gibson's movie I haven't seen it so I guess theoretically I shouldn't be commenting...but from all the reviews I know now that I have no interest in seeing something so violent on the big screen... I will wait for the dvd I think... Here is my comment though- sex & violence sell product (unfortunately)... Anyone with half a brain cell knows this... I don't know why... Maybe our population is made up of more of those idiot swan tormentors than we realize... So it is ironic (to put it mildly) to me that the death of a wonderful man (jesus) who was so NOT about material gain is being so exploited for money (anyone else receive the spam to buy the cross of nails that is somehow connected to this movie?)... What is the appeal of this violent death focus in regard to the religion? I was raised in a christian tradition but would not call myself a christian (cuz I don't get the jesus dying for our sins & I hold other religions equally as inspirational) & I know many good christians who truly give the religion a good name & to them it is the ressurection that is important... Then there are others who are good people for sure but who somehow wear their imagined martyrdom like a badge which I don't get... They feel victimized somehow because they don't get to have christian prayer in school? It's a twisted sort of thinking imo... Somehow they identify with jesus as if they too were crucified on the cross... I don't know what people are waiting for, the second coming has already arrived imo (we each have the ability for direct communication with god (which is as accessible as the air we breathe)... too many people are missing it just like they missed it the first time around.... Just my opinion, I could be wrong :~} Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:24:03 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Gibson's movie njc That's what many of us were taught! But many historians say that Pontius Pilate was a ruthless tyrant, so bloodthirsty that he was ultimately recalled by the emperor. Many biblical scholars believe that the gospel writers de-emphasized Pilate's role in Jesus' execution because they were trying to placate/curry favor with the Roman rulers at the time. Of course, many lay people (and some scholars) believe that the gospel accounts represent literal truth, so they would dismiss my argument out of hand At 08:18 PM 3/1/2004 +0000, you wrote: >Deb Messling wrote: >> >> but I think a consensus >>is emerging that this film is *not* historical in its portrayal of Pilate >>as a reluctant executioner. >This is what i was always taught-that Pilate was releuctant to do what the >people wnated. I thinlk this is shown in even in JC Superstar. >certainly it was what i was taught at svhool. > > >-- >bw >colin >http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:27:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: re Gibson movie njc >Randy thinks he's being funny about the Jesus action figures? Take a look at this: http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10746.html< HOWEVER, the jesus action figure is only the 1oth most popular, check out http://www.mcphee.com/top12.html to see which is the top seller! The librarian action figure! Lol! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 23:33:05 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Gibson's movie njc Deb Messling wrote: > That's what many of us were taught! But many historians say that > Pontius Pilate was a ruthless tyrant, so bloodthirsty that he was > ultimately recalled by the emperor. Many biblical scholars believe > that the gospel writers de-emphasized Pilate's role in Jesus' > execution because they were trying to placate/curry favor with the > Roman rulers at the time. Of course, many lay people (and some > scholars) believe that the gospel accounts represent literal truth, so > they would dismiss my argument out of hand > > > It is very interesting that those who take it literally don't follow the rules. For instance, they have mortgages, credit cards etc. They cut there hair and shave., They eat chicken and turkey and wear clothes made of more than one fibre. It seems they pick and choose which is exactly what they accuse non literalists of doing! It is always a good idea to remeber that the Jesus the bible talks of was jewish... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:41:58 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Emmy (NJC) It is "alligator bait." I just checked the lyric sheet on Rodney Crowell's first lp (the guy who wrote the song). By the way his two most recent CDs "Fate's Right Hand" (DMZ/Epic) and "The Houston Kid" (Sugar Hill) are excellent! Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:34 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Emmy (NJC) Chuck>>I love Emmylou as well. I have all of these on vinyl, (and Quarter Moon on CD because I had just about worn out the record). I may sing Quarter Moon at this year's northeast Jonifest, especially if you come...I've found it bears up all right thru a gender transposition...< I love emmy too! Have seen her many times, have played many of her songs over the years including the above (easy from now on is the official title I think although the album was called quarter moon?).... Maybe we need a special emmylou sing a long workshop! speaking of mondogreens I am embarrassed to admit that all these years I have sung the song you quote (below) as alligator bait! Lol... Think I mondogreened a few poncho & lefty lines too! >...."it's Alligator Day and the bars don't close..." ChuckE< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:50:58 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Trivia >there was also Carole King (who had to have preceded Joni with an LP by at least two or three years) and Laura Nyro< Pre joni I remember Janis Ian & Leslie Gore (though I don't know if she wrote her own songs), both are still touring.... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:19:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: re Gibson movie njc Cul > scripture itself is idea, whether it is considered inspired by god or not is an idea, all of these things are ideas we have about the nature of reality, none of them are reality itself...as an ancient chinese proverb said: "if you want to know the truth of things, you must stop having opinions.< Good point! Ideas & & beliefs are merely concepts of the mind (of humans)... they may try to describe, but are not the actual experience of god/spirit/creator/higher power (whatever name you relate to) which is completely different... Eckhart Tolle has some wonderful things to say about this difference... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:20:11 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Trivia I think Tapestry (1971) might've been Carole King's first as a recording artist. Before that, she had been a Brill Building songwriter going back to the late 1950s. Laura Nyro recorded her first album in 1966, I believe. Kate Bennett wrote: >>there was also Carole King (who had to have preceded Joni with an LP by >> >> >at least two or three years) and Laura Nyro< > >Pre joni I remember Janis Ian & Leslie Gore (though I don't know if she >wrote her own songs), both are still touring.... > >Kate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:37:43 -0500 From: Doug Subject: From Time To Time The show was called "From Time To Time" and though I'm not much into modern dance I will try to describe it. First, the songs were: Raised On Robbery from C&S Be Cool Flat Tires A Case Of You Sex Kills Sire Of Sorrow Both Sides Now all from T"log and BSN The songs were woven together very nicely, there was no dialog, only a continuos string of radio/TV reports from the major events of the last 50 or so years. The only thing I couldn't figure out is why the actors were running and jumping all over the place. But I'm sure it was very deep and meaningful. The story was supposed to be from a woman's perspective, and, not being of the female persuasion myself, that might explain my confusion a little bit. Doug SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >And what about that dance show last week on Canadian TV? >Michael O'Malley - did you watch it? > >. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:58:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Voting njc I agree with those who say it would be a monumental mistake to vote for any third party or to not vote at all thinking the two parties are similar... The past few years should be evidence enough of how radically different the two parties are... The dems in power may be more right but the repubs in power are so far right they are wrong! I am starting to hear some of the same arguments I heard in 2000 which is that there is not a lot of difference between the dems & the repubs & that 4 more years of bush might really mobilize radical change... This thinking really scares me because things have already happened since 2000 that I never imagined would happen in this country (& I am not talking about 9/11)... To say there is no difference between the parties is an insidious form of fatalistic thinking that is not empowering & has echoes of victimization... It does not take into account how healthy bodies/cultures/etc take time to heal or in the reverse, become sick... We didn't get to where we are overnight & it will take time to get back to being a healthy society... I believe this is possible if we can embrace change as a subtle movement rather than expect an instant gratification of radical change... The dem party may not be perfect but they are the only sane option we have to steer us away from the growing tentacles of fascism that are spreading themselves into our culture.... It is difficult to imagine how much irreversible damage might happen if this administration were to stay in power 4 more years... Whoever it was that pointed out why (supreme court justices) made an important point... To have all three branches of our government controlled by such radical right wing interests would be the end of democracy as we know it... Politics is not about idealism, it is about compromise & skill & negotiation... Idealism is the landscape of music & art, etc... I think it is naove to expect too much too soon within the political pool at this point in time... Maybe in the future as long as we have a future... My feeling is this may be our last chance to have a government of the people by the people or at least by a peaceful process... There are so many rights that we have taken for granted during our lifetime that could simply be legislated away before our very eyes if we do not stop this tide... Like others, I have never in my lifetime felt any election was so vitally important not just to the health of this country but to the entire planet... Now let's just hope the voting machines are on the up & up... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:06:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: From Time To Time **But I'm sure it was very deep and meaningful.** LOL! I know what you mean Doug, that kind of thing is not my cup of tea either, but I appreciate what they did and of course am glad that Joni's music got some more airtime. Thanks for the lowdown. Bob NP: Joni, "Cotton Ave." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:17:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Gibson's movie **What is the appeal of this violent death focus in regard to the religion?** Well, I for one did not appreciate the extent of the crucifixion until just a couple of years ago. One of our ministers gave a sermon where he described how the Romans were masters of torture and knew precisely how to manipulate the body to maximize pain and prevent the victim from passing out. Obviously I knew about Jesus' death and resurrection, but it seemed to me that the amount of suffering had been underemphasized; perhaps all of the Sunday School teachers, etc. don't like to deal with the grisly details of it. That being said, I do agree that the LIFE & teachings of Jesus, rather than his death should be where the emphasis lies. After all, one doesn't have to be a Christian to be able to appreciate his actions and teaching, just as one doesn't have to be Buddhist to appreciate the wisdom of the Buddah. And besides, if Gibson's film isn't your cup o' tea, there's always Monty Python's Life of Brian! Bob NP: The Rolling Stones, "Mercy Mercy" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: "Like a young Joni Mitchell" - vljc In the March 8/04 issue of Maclean's magazine, p. 59, under a picture of the rather tasty Viggo Mortensen, is a little review/blurb on one Coral Egan. So short is the blurb, that I include it here in its entirety (sans picture, of course): - -------------------------------------------------- CD - Like a young Joni Mitchell Montreal singer-songwriter Coral Egan's second CD, My Favorite Distraction (Justin Time), is a bold suite of gorgeous pop tunes, backed by a full band, including strings. It's whip-smart all the way through - think Joni Mitchell, but younger and fresher - and marks the arrival of a major talent. - --------------------------------------------------- Me now - "but younger and fresher"? Boo hiss meow! Has anyone heard Coral Egan? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:25:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gibson's movie njc --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > > > (Although I went to catholic school for 8 years, I > didn't really pay that > much attention to the story of Christ.) (this > probably sounds rather funny). > .. . LOL. I too am a survivor of Catholic schools. I get what you're talking about. It was always Christ this and Christ that. Christ! so ya just got sick of it and paid no attention. Haven't seen the film either. Probably won't. Sounds too violent for me. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:03:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: njc Gibson's movie bob > Obviously I knew about Jesus' death and resurrection, but it seemed to me that the amount of suffering had been underemphasized; perhaps all of the Sunday School teachers, etc. don't like to deal with the grisly details of it. < i think that is true & it makes sense that the death details would be most inappropriate for children...i remember loving sunday school & hearing the stories of jesus... they affected me deeply... church on the other hand did nothing for me... our culture is sure fixated on violence these days.... maybe this is part of what is 'darkest before the dawn'.... life of brian is great! lol.... will have to rent it soon! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:32:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Folk alliance weekend I just got back from the most amazing couple of days at folk alliance... I don't know how many of you have ever been to one (shout out to gregg cagno who I know has!) but here is a head's up to anyone in the northeast or eastern candada- next year's gathering will be in montreal (2005) & if you are a performer, house concert presenter or just a music lover you MUST go! Of course I saw steve & michele dulson there as they are very involved & hosted one of the showcase rooms... I met susan (ozwoman) who is one of the coolest, sweetest people you could ever meet! She hosted an incredible lineup of musicians in her showcase all weekend... Folk alliance is very hard to explain in words... Its an experience like no other... 4 days & nights of nonstop music... At least 100 showcase rooms (or maybe more) in hotel rooms or sometimes in bigger meeting rooms all going on simultaneously the entire time, the artists playing for about 20-30 minutes, then the next act is on... Some amplification, many pure acoustic... Hundreds of workshops, musicians from all over the world & the talent level is extremely high! So many of the most extraordinary musicians who you have never heard of! Some who you may have heard of, all mixing it up, playing & sitting in as the audience when they are not playing... The showcases start around 2pm & go until 3am or longer... After than its jam time... Obviously little time to sleep... Usually the folk alliance showcases are all in one hotel building on several floors, but this particular one had them in several adjoining buildings.... I heard comments like it was like spring break or mardi gras or jeff said it was like trick or treating going from room to room.... I am not sure how many thousands of people attended, most of them musicians! Of all genres & cultures & ages so don't let the folk word fool you! So, if anyone is wondering what happened to great great music, get yourself to a folk alliance... There are SO many INSANELY talented people who you have NEVER heard of!!!!! I think the 2006 conference will be in austin texas... If bob dylan or joni mitchell were starting out today, they'd be showcasing at folk alliance! www.folk.org for more info http://www.folk.org/AnnualCon/annualCon.htm this year's mainstage acts http://www.victorheyman.com/FA04%20Showcase--Performer.htm this year's guerrilla showcase performers (the real heart of the whole thing) Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: Trivia njc Hello, I thiank Carole King's first LP was Rhymes and Reasons. I saw her a few years ago with her daughter and she was full of energy and very amazing. If she ever tours again, it is worth seeing her! Debi David Sadowski wrote: I think Tapestry (1971) might've been Carole King's first as a recording artist. Before that, she had been a Brill Building songwriter going back to the late 1950s. Laura Nyro recorded her first album in 1966, I believe. Kate Bennett wrote: >>there was also Carole King (who had to have preceded Joni with an LP by >> >> >at least two or three years) and Laura Nyro< > >Pre joni I remember Janis Ian & Leslie Gore (though I don't know if she >wrote her own songs), both are still touring.... > >Kate *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:34:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Watching the Oscars njc --- Randy Remote wrote: > > What about director Peter Jackson? He has perfected > the "just > got out of bed in my clothes" look.... I didn't watch the Oscars, but saw a photo of Peter Jackson this a.m. and thought he was Michael Moore! > Still have no desire to see Lord of the Rings, and > will never buy > the notion that Hobbits look like anorexic English > school boys. Anorexic? They looked pretty healthy to me. In fact some of them looked downright chubby. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:43:42 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gibson's movie njc --- Deb Messling wrote: > I think the fuss is about the fact that passion > plays, historically, have > incited anti-Jewish sentiment and often anti-Jewish > violence, and this > particular cinematic passion play is careless in its > depiction of the Jews' > role in the death of Jesus. I have never understood that. Just because some of the people calling for Jesus' death were Jewish, doesn't mean all of them were Jewish, nor does it mean that all of them wanted him dead, nor does it have anything to do with anyone, Jewish or otherwise, who wasn't there, in that crowd, at that time, howlin' and yowlin'. Two thousand years have passed since that time. So anyone who uses the torture and death of Jesus as an excuse for anti-Semitism is ignorant and misinformed and would in all likelihood find some other reason to hate Jews (or other group of your choice), just so they could justify their hateful stupidity. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #94 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)