From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #92 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 29 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 092 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: john edwards (njc) ["Marian" ] Re: raving raveen raven curls ["ron" ] Re: njc Gibson's movie [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Songs for a funeral! (NJC) [Gary Zack ] Re: njc Gibson's movie ["ron" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #57 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: njc Gibson's movie [vince ] 3 joni mentions in february uncut ["ron" ] Re: funeral songs, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Songs for a funeral! (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Songs for a funeral and Amy Wadge [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita gabrielle T] Re: njc Gibson's movie [vince ] Amy Wadge njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: moral judgements, SJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Gibson movie, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Message from JMDL Fiction page [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: Songs for a funeral and Amy Wadge [Catherine McKay ] Re NJC...18,000!!! ["A. Millington" ] Re: raving raveen raven curls [cul ] re Gibson movie njc [cul ] Re: Message from JMDL Fiction page [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Fwd: The Texas Hillbilly njc ["A. Millington" ] Re: re Gibson movie njc [colin ] puppy update njc [colin ] Re: re Gibson movie njc [Randy Remote ] Re: re Gibson movie njc [Deb Messling ] Re: re Gibson movie really njc now [Randy Remote ] Re: re Gibson movie njc [Susan Guzzi ] RE: re Gibson movie really njc now ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: john edwards (njc) On Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:14:33 -0500, "anon anon" wrote: > The thing is,Bush is so horrendous and dispicable that unless we vote >for a moderate like Kerry or Edwards we are stuck with the lunatic we have >now... This is my feeling, too. I was dismayed to hear that Nader is running again, as much as I would prefer him over Kerry or Edwards or almost anyone as the Democratic nominee if that could ever happen. I think Nader is irresponsible to run again. He doesn't have a hope in hell of winning and he only increases the chances that we will have another four years of the current insanity. Marian P.S. I'm on onlyJoni-digest, so please reply to marian@jmdl.com too if you reply to this message. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:14:13 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls hi cul >>>>> swoooosh...right over the bean Joni Mondegreen club? whazzat? heres the explanation of "mondegreen" "Why are they called "mondegreens"? The term was invented in 1954 by a writer, Sylvia Wright, who described how she had misheard part of a Scottish ballad, "The Bonny Earl of Murray." "They hae slay the Earl of Murray/And Lady Mondegreen," was how Wright interpreted a stanza. For years, Wright mused about the enigmatic Lady Mondegreen who had died so tragically with her liege. Only later, much later, did she discover that the villains had slain the Earl of Murray -- and laid him on the green. " ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:02:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Gibson's movie Vince, if you haven't already read it, here's the Moviejuice review which I think you'll enjoy: http://www.moviejuice.com/2004/passion.htm An excerpt: "Portraying Jewish leaders as bloodthirsty, venomous scalawags is inflammatory at least. Fortunately, turnabout is fair play. Maybe one day a Jewish filmmaker will shoot a dramatization of the Crusades, where the bloodthirsty, venomous Christian leaders killed hundreds of thousands of "infidels." Then we'll all be even, and we can stop hating each other and go back to hating ourselves." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:44:20 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral! (NJC) I heard Peter, Paul and Mary's version before I ever heard Laura's too Richard. I was blown away by the song. Laura says on one of her live recordings that it was one of the first songs she ever wrote. And of course, Laura did indeed have "one child born" her son, Gil, during her lifetime. I believe the song was sung at Laura's funeral, Bob. Best regards, Gary Richard Flynn wrote: >I first heard Peter, Paul, & Mary's version. I remembered that name, Laura >Nyro, and checked out her work & became a lifelong devotee. > >Paradoxically, the BS&T version always got on my nerves. But it's a greast >song. Written when she was still a teenager, but I know what you mean about >a mature understanding of it. (I have one 23-year-old child to carry on.) > >Richard > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:37 AM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral! > > >I really just want one song at my funeral, and it's not even >a Joni - imagine that! > >Laura Nyro's "And When I Die", which I always loved (like most >of you I guess, I was intro'd to it by Blood Sweat & Tears), >But now that I have that "one child born to carry on" it >really means a lot to me. > >Since I intend to be cremated, I guess you could play Joni's >"Smokin'"! :~) > >Bob > >NP: Shelby Lynne, "All Of A Sudden You Disappeared" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:21:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral! (NJC) I never even knew they recorded it, but that's not unusual as I was never a PP&M fan. That does explain though why Mary Travers picked that song to sing when she appeared on the 1969 'Mama Cass Television Program', which also featured our Joni singing Both Sides Now (she almost messed up the words) and the three of them doing a nice trio of "I Shall Be Released". Off to the gym! Happy weekend everybody. Bob NP: The Bad Plus, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:42:58 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Emmy (NJC) I love Emmylou as well. I have all of these on vinyl, (and Quarter Moon on CD because I had just about worn out the record). I may sing Quarter Moon at this year's northeast Jonifest, especially if you come...I've found it bears up all right thru a gender transposition... If you don't know about it there is an incredible holiday album called 'Light of the Stable' which was long out of print but has been reissued on CD (misguidedly, with bad cover art) but it's become my favorite Christmas-y album. Guest appearances by Willie Nelson, Neil Young, Dolly, Linda Ronstadt, Hicks/Warren, Ricky Skaggs. etc. Totally sublime EmmyLou! ...."it's Alligator Day and the bars don't close..." ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:26:08 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: njc Gibson's movie hi >>>>bob wrote (well quoted actually) >>>>> Maybe one day a Jewish filmmaker will shoot a dramatization of the Crusades, where the bloodthirsty, venomous Christian leaders killed hundreds of thousands of "infidels." Then we'll all be even, and we can stop hating each other and go back to hating ourselves."<<<<< or howabout the one where bloodthirsty, venemous "christian" leaders kill thousands of "terrorists" (previously known as iraquis) as a result of a "divine" calling???? actually, i dont get the fuss. jesus was killed. he was crucified. the "jewish" leaders did it. it wasnt pretty, & the movie doesnt attempt to make it pretty. from what ive heard the film appears to be consistent with historical records in the portrayal of the brutality of crucifixion (and the scourging and torture that goes with it). maybe it is overdone, - maybe some day ill bother to go see it, but generally these overblown, overhyped movies are not worth the time & effort to go see :-) ron np = arlo guthrie - gonna make this garden grow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:42:49 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #57 In a message dated 2/28/2004 3:02:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: I wonder if Emmylou and Joni have crossed paths. They've both worked with Neil Young. For the Vanity Fare (music issue) cover three years ago at the very least ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:03:19 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: njc Gibson's movie ron wrote: > >from what ive heard the film appears to be consistent with >historical records > as to the S&M effects of crucifixion, even that went way beyond the Bible - the Bible is very explicit in how many times Jesus go whipped - the soldiers in the movie are counting (in latin which they didn't speak, they spoke koine Greek) and when they get to the number they pause and then begins an orgy of whipping that seems to have three purposes - exult in S&M, find a new violation of the Gospel accounts to absolve the Romans, and show "the Jews" sadistically enjoying Jesus being whipped the film goes overboard and lies to the historical and Biblical record to blame Jews and absolve Romans - even the most sadistic Romans all get epiphanies while the Jews themselves are judged by God's wrecking havoc on the Temple - this movie is so incredibly anti-Semitic - but true to the movie makers craft, very subtle while the results of the Jews is so over the top S&M - - that it embarrasses me as a Christian and angers me as a pastor to think that others are seeing this and thinking it is historical and harmless and Biblical Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:29:01 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: 3 joni mentions in february uncut hi 1) movies to die for daniel ryan, guitarist with "The Thrills" picks out "the virgin suicides" & says: "The whole band love this film. First, the soundtrack is amazing. Its not just the songs by Air, but theres other great songs on there by Joni Mitchell, Carole King, and Todd Rundgren...." ??was there really a joni song in this movie - & if so - why isnt it listed at "joni in fiction"??? 2) review of joan baez's "complete geffen recordings" "Baez, like Judy Collins, subsequently struggled to maintain popularity against the likes of Joni Mitchell, and Carole King, who significantly, were also intuitive songwriters" 3) review of joni's "complete geffen recordings" Jonis lost '80s, Retrieved and repackaged While it's unusual to highlight sleevenotes, Joni's own to this four disc box are remarkable. She slams the record company for burying this uncommercial work, and disses individual tracks. She confesses to recording with Don Henley, the replacing him with :Lionel Richie, who happened to be across the hall. As sleevenotes go, they're more dramatic than most novels. Pity we cant say the same about the music, not her most productive era. Wild Things Run Fast (1982) is pretty, and the Chinese Cafe / Unchained melody" segue is lovely, but 85's Dog Eat Dog is drowned in booming Duran - Ish drums. Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm" has moments, especially My Secret Place with Peter Gabriel, while '91s Night Ride Home is musically drab, if (of course) lyrically superb. There are three unreleased demos, (including one of Dylan's "Its All Over Now, Baby Blue). She couldnt find a vital voice in a decade she admits she hated. Still, if the whole hesitates, multiple lines glow with poetic precision. A collection worth reading chris roberts ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:41:57 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: funeral songs, NJC Hi Ya'll, Chelsea Morning is my choice! And, as for non-Joni songs besides great Christian ones like All Creatures of our God and King and Where Charity and Love Prevail, I would choose Ride Captain Ride. Remember it? I put it in down below so those of you who can show up at my funeral can sing it with me. Smile! I'm going to a funeral today for a friend of mine from high school's father. He was an Air Force pilot, a proud American like me! Looking beyond with love, Laura ARTIST: Blues Image TITLE: Ride Captain Ride Seventy-three men sailed up from the San Francisco Bay Rolled off of their ship, and here's what they had to say "We're callin' everyone to ride along to another shore We can laugh our lives away and be free once more" / D - E E7 / G7 - D - / : But no one heard them callin', no one came at all 'Cause they were too busy watchin' those old raindrops fall As a storm was blowin' out on the peaceful sea Seventy-three men sailed off to history Ride, captain ride upon your mystery ship Be amazed at the friends you have here on your trip Ride captain ride upon your mystery ship On your way to a world that others might have missed / D - A - / C - D - / : {Repeat first two verses} {Refrain} Ride, captain ride upon your mystery ship Be amazed at the friends you have here on your trip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:55:08 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral! (NJC) There's one song above all others I will have played at my funeral: Who Knows Where The Time Goes, the Fairport Convention version from Unhalfbricking, one of the most beautiful songs ever written, and here given its best arrangement, and sung like a fallen angel by Sandy Denny. I also love Nick Drake's exquisitely elegiac Northern Sky - those two together ought to get everyone weeping buckets! By way of light relief, I'd go for that sensitive ballad by the Mindless Drug Hoover, sweetly titled "Fuck Off." Azeem in London NP: David Bowie - Yassassin (I'll soon by on to the horrors of his 80s output!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:27 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral and Amy Wadge Hi All I have always wanted to have Hejira played at my funeral - but my friends tell me it's too long and that I should omit it and stick to my other choices - The Deadwood Stage as my coffin comes in the back door and Just Blew in From the Windy City when my ashes are scattered. Whilst Im doing this I went to the Shed in Bedford (UK where we held the Joni 60th Party in November last year)to see Amy Wadge who was described as the Welsh Joni Mitchell in the local paper. I thought she was nothing like Joni (apart from singing, playing guitar and piano brilliantly) but goodness her album Woj is full of such great songs. Has anyone else seen her? I was thinking I might give up my job and just follow her tour- like I did with Joni in '83. However, I was 20 years younger and didn't have a mortgage then. However, it's very tempting! I think our southern colonial cousins (Paz, Giselle, Donna etc.)would like her loads. Yours excitedly Anita np- Breathe Amy Wadge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:12:11 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: njc Gibson's movie It is indeed like Mad Max - and the disembowelment scene from Braveheart - - whatever Gibson has for torture scenes, he needs some therapy and yeah, that is exactly my pastor friend and I were seeing it - actually anything that hits the culture so hard it is best to know it is because of its impact Vince ron wrote: >mmmm - sounds like "Mad Max Part Four" :-) > >i dont think ill be making much of an effort to see this. but i really do >feel for all the people like you who have to sit through it in order to >answer all the questions/comments etc youre bound to get from parishioners >(is that what theyre called in your church??) who go see it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:14:35 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Amy Wadge njc In a message dated 28/02/2004 17:05:40 GMT Standard Time, steph@cix.co.uk writes: << I thought she was nothing like Joni (apart from singing, playing guitar and piano brilliantly) but goodness her album Woj is full of such great songs. Has anyone else seen her? I was thinking I might give up my job and just follow her tour- like I did with Joni in '83. However, I was 20 years younger and didn't have a mortgage then. >> Amy is great, Anita! She was a regular at the Kashmir Klub, so some of the other Brits here might have seen her live too. A terrific guitar player (I've never seen her play piano), strong and gutsy singer and a solid and occasionally inspired songwriter. I've got two albums by her, one of them a mini. I haven't got Woj, though, hmmm. I'd like to see her again. Azeem in London NP: David Bowie - Repetition, leading into Red Money, his version of Sister Midnight, which he co-wrote with Iggy Pop. Sister Midnight is the better lyric, but it's still a kicking backing track ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:19:14 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: moral judgements, SJC In a message dated 2/27/04 6:08:01 PM Central Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Jennifer Faulkner wrote: > > >Colin, ya sound angry. > > > you must be very talented to get that from an email. > > >Humans had to eat meat before, but it's no longer necessary to survive. > > > > > that is your opinion, not a fact. > People have to make up their own mind what to eat and not eat without > others making moral judgements about it. Hi Colin, Yes, Jennifer is very talented... I know her well. She is very sensitive and very sweet! I like your last statement, "People have to make up their own mind what to eat and not eat without others making moral judgements about it." Morally judging others based on what one's "set of time and change is touching" can be very dangerous and very cruel. Love, Laura NP: my son Michael on drums! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:46:16 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Gibson movie, NJC Vince wrote: for those who want to know of the religious-political slant of this > > movie check out the Pius X Society and the anti-Semitic mystic Anna > Catherine Emmerich, a stigmatist whose visions really did - really - > supply the basis of the script Hi Vince! Wow, so Gibson is a member of the Pius X Society?! These people are on the "more Catholic than the Pope" side of the spectrum of fundamentalists. Gibson has been passed off as a Catholic... but the Pius the Xth group is much different. Talk about a judgemental group... oh, my! I don't know about that stigmatist, but there was a lady stigmatist who came to Arkansas once, and she left a bad impression on some people I know so I'll have to see if this was the same one. Thanks for the heads up Vince! I wasn't going to see the movie any way, but now I'll be more informed when I hear people talking about it. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:59:56 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Message from JMDL Fiction page Bob, have you lost all my contributions again ? I didn't notice any of the ones I posted months ago. As I recall I sent them all to you a second time because you were unable to locate them. Here's another: The " First Thaw " edition of the Coldwater Creek catalog contains a Joni mention from a clever copywriter. On page 6 an exquisite pair of reversible earrings bears the title of " Both Sides Now." These pierced earring of antiqued sterling reverse from a vivid heart shaped red onyx on one side to a filigreed heart on the other. You can even remove the heart and wear just the filigreed posts. That sounds a bit like three sides now... Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:06:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral and Amy Wadge --- Anita gabrielle Tedder wrote: > Hi All > I have always wanted to have Hejira played at my > funeral - but my friends > tell me it's too long and that I should omit it and > stick to my other > choices - The Deadwood Stage as my coffin comes in > the back door and Just > Blew in From the Windy City when my ashes are > scattered. Hejira might not be such a bad choice. Maybe you could drop a verse or two? Hmm... I'm travelling in some vehicle (a funeral car) I'm sitting in some cafe (the funeral parlor) A defector from the petty wars (life) That shellshock... LIFE ... away (?) and so on... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:37:19 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls Cul wrote: <> I defer this question to Chuck E. who always explains Mondegreens much better than I. Take it away Chuck!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:31:17 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: 3 joni mentions in february uncut ron wrote: > 3) review of joni's "complete geffen recordings" > > Jonis lost '80s, Retrieved and repackaged > > While it's unusual to highlight sleevenotes, Joni's own to this four disc > box are remarkable. She slams the record company for burying this uncommercial > work, and disses individual tracks. > > A collection worth reading But is it worth eighty bucks to read it? (I already have the MFSL version of Wild Things, the other 3 albums I never listen to, and 3 unreleased demos just ain't enuf....Please, Joni, let me help you design a proper box set! ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:12:57 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls Thanks for the hand-off, Ashara (hey, Barb and I are going to register any day now for the Northeast Jonifest comin' up soon at Camp Balmy Love in the beautiful Catskills, you can count on us!) Badda-bing! Mondegreens, eh? This is a term applied to 'misunderstood lyrics' - when the ear or comprehension fails, the mind fills the gaps, even when it makes no sense whatsoever. We have kicked around 'mondegreens' ever so many times in the list (but I'm always ready for another round), regarding misunderstood lyrics in general, and Joni lyrics in particular. The term 'mondegreen' comes from an essay originally published in the New Yorker in the mid 50's, by a frequent contributer in those times named Sylvia Wright. The 'mondegreen' article is collected in a volume of essays of hers (which was a MAJOR PRIZE in the Northeast Jonfest Incredible Giveaway Raffle two years ago!) entitled (something like) "Get away from me with those Christmas Presents!" Sylvia Wright coined the term after a Scotch folksong called 'The Bonny Earl of Murray' (about some war or other in the highlands vs. lowlands in a distant century past). It seems some bad guys had slain the Earl of Murray and 'layd him on the green'. Sylvia wight, hearing this song in her youth, always heard this lyric as 'slain the Earl of Murray, and Lady Mondegreen' So, to her, it was a tragedy compounded. she was shocked later in life to learn there was no Lady involved. So she wrote this essay about this 'phenomennon' and noted some other examples. There are websites now devoted to this, usually taking examples from us public in the context of the popular song (altho church hymns and litanies are also a rich vein for mondegreens.) You can Google the mondegreen archives as you wish. Here are a few favorites: - --'blessed are thou, a monk swimmin' - --'Lead On, O Kinky Turtle' (King Eternal) - --'Gladly, the Cross-Eyed Bear (Gladly the Cross I'd Bear) The Beatles... - --'In My Llife, I've Loved the Mall' - --the above mentioned 'Camp Balmy Love' (don't forget! register for Jonifest Today!) - --and the immortal 'the girl with collitis goes by' Joni monegreens are always worth a submission to the jmdl. (JC!) I had one where I always heard 'I found this empty seat in this crowded waiting room' as 'I found my self-deceit '....hmmm that sort of ups the ante on the whole tune....Ashara always heard ' Ink on a pen' as ' In Connepen ' (you know, that little town in northeastern New Jersey) also, I always heard Harry's House as 'and Harry's decoupe' not 'Harry's takehome pay'. Ok, oK. That's it for mondegreens for now. Please archive this message and pass it on to the new folk so I don't have to keep rewriting it every now and then. Don't forget to register for JoniFest today! Send in your favorite mondegreen right after that, Joni mondegreens getting extra credit... ChuckE On Saturday, February 28, 2004, at 01:37 PM, AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Cul wrote: > > < > Joni Mondegreen club? whazzat?>> > > I defer this question to Chuck E. who always explains Mondegreens much > better than I. Take it away Chuck!! > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:45:31 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls LOL!! I *told* you he would do a better job then I!!! :-) I have Mondegreened almost every single blasted one of Joni's songs. Sad, isn't it? Hugs, Ashara, in Connipin, NJ ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:10:37 +1100 From: "A. Millington" Subject: Nudes....NJC May I recommend? NAKED STATES a doco by Arlene Donnelly? its 1hour and a 1/2 of such humour..all about naked people..yes lots of em grouped together..mainly in America...its by the artist called Spencer Tunicks...what is so clever is that even I can look good in the nudie! I loved to go to the Burning Man Festival in the Nevada desert..now they are my kinda folks!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:35:23 +1100 From: "A. Millington" Subject: Re NJC...18,000!!! > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:55:03 -0500 > From: vince > Subject: njc Gibson's movie > >" there was more Gospel in Kangaroo Jack" quote above > > At least here in Oz they have stopped using the tag about Mel Gibson..."Australia's own" or "Australia's favourite son" or "Hunk of Spunk"!! I have tried to like Mel..from the early days..Spyforce, Young doctors, Tim, Mad Max..but .....Lethal Weapon..Bird on a wire etc ugh!!! then I noticed this bit about his hatred of the Brits..okay Gallipoli was a good anti war film (very anti Brit in flavour) then we get Braveheart oooh those nasty English (oops maybe they were French who were holiday?) any way we had folks being burnt alive in a building and then that dire Patriot...and the scene of the AMERICANS being burnt in the building by the ENGLISH soldiers (I think they were the British really)..so I think the scene was supposed to make us think mmmm SS/Nazi = British? I am sorry but Mr Gibson...you are a pale imitation of John Wayne (i.e. Air America and We were soldiers)..I am sorry but in the recent interviews it seems he has lost his direction. "God, forgive them and let this fad pass quickly" er the above sort of made your argument falter...then this bit... "you think driving a nail through someone's hand would gross you out but like a porn film, when you've seen 18,000 blow jobs the 18,001st is boring and numbing" let me think....you are of course referring to the action of driving a nail into a body on a cross? or if not !...18,000 wow that is a lot to see.. (is that one a day or what?) am I in the wrong job? and do you mean you have seen 18,000 in actuality or do you mean the silver screen? or confiscated stuff? Sorry for being so ..well flippant...its Saturday night...my computer works and I am reading my NJC Joni Digest....1st read about Land mines...well that is awful..then about Mel's film..I think it made $30 million US on its 1st day!! well I remember seeing the 'Exorcist and outside the cinema was priests and medical people (St John's) which made all the experience more atmospheric...last year I sat with my 2 oldest thru this so called classic..Directors cut and we all laffed..full belly laffs..it was so....well hammy!! But yes even Cujo has lost its appeal So Vince do not worry about this film or even Mr Gibson snr and his denial of the Holocaust...Gawd!! those Nazis and Americans made some great make up images and effects from those Death camps films in the 1940's eh Mr Gibson snr.??? but he said they just disappeared at the time......mmm so why did not these 6million + people never reappear? The bit in these war films that amuses me (and I admire for his bravery) is the cameraman (he was Leni's cameraman)..he was at a camp (death or prisoner of war?) and Himmiler was inspecting it..he had clued the camera man that when he rubbed his nose, this to indicate stop filming...i.e. STOP !! So there is Himmiler being the nasty Nazi and staring at the prisoners..he turns to the camera and rubs his nose and blinks...and then rubs his nose again..but the film is capturing this...then he rubs his nose yet again...and then turns his back! For that extra 5 or so seconds....the cameraman was sent to a war front! I have just wasted a few hours on a book called Servants of Evil..all about the awful experiences of the German soldier in WW2 (oh those poor dears!!) and its still trotted out..they were following orders and knew nothing of what happened to the local population? mmm history is again being rewritten..but it was wasted on me.....never in this book was it written that the poor German soldier was the one doing the invading..only he was following a glorious tradition in arms! Had to laff as it was annouced that Mr Bush and the Germans had made up this week..and they both believed in Democracy and Freedom...well I know one does! "God, forgive them and let this fad pass quickly" But if you think this film does nothing..were you around when "Birth of a nation" (1916?) appeared? ..there were race riots and folks were killed! Ash safely tucked up in Tasmania, while you lot fight for my right to write this stuff...ta! 18,000 wow!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:30:15 -0500 From: cul Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: LOL!! I *told* you he would do a better job then I !!! :-) I have Mondegreened almost every single blasted one of Joni's songs. Sad, isn't it? Hugs,Ashara, in Connipin, NJ ;-) ah so that's what it means. my favorite of all time was back in the 70's walking around singing along with Hendrix: " 'scuse me while I kiss this guy "...which later, much to my chagrin, I discovered was really " 'scuse me while I kiss the sky". :) well, I suppose being Mondegreener is not all that awful, but tell me, does the designation come with a tiara or club ring? I prefer the tiara as it wouldn't affect my bowling game quite as much as a ring might and, while on the prowl, no one automatically assumes one is married just because they are wearing a tiara. cul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:36:11 -0500 From: cul Subject: re Gibson movie njc The movie was a movie which failed to move me, but had great cinematics, costumes, direction and actors. Its a professional work of art which will make Gibson a fortune due to the media notariety and paraphenalia. Though its an orgy of violence and mutilation which goes on so long that by the time I was watching the spikes being pounded in I was simply wondering about the FX techniques used rather than being "in the scene" feeling anything. Visual violence, like porn, is numbing after a certain amount of exposure. When the cross was finally raised I found myself completely uninterested in the remaining grimaces and assaults and drifted off into considerations such as: "Ok, here's one white guy being tortured pretty severely, but nothing like what blacks under US slavery or S African apartheid endured as a matter of course without anyone thinking it necessary to start a religion about it." I have no idea what all the anti-semetic hulabaloo is about either. What I saw was Jesus as Steven Biko...a victim of the powers that be during a period of political and social tulmult. Everybody back in the good old Biblical days was an uncaring asshole and not really big on the empathy skills; think Coliseum "games"and how the audiences loved a good day's slaughter or rending of flesh by man and beast alike. Meh...same old, same old. Humans have always been vicious little monkeys and still are when mindless mob comes to town at the urging of some elite group that wants to maintain their status quo. Nuke a faggot whale for Jesus. Oh well...next. " Oh all around the marketplace The buzzing of the flies The buzzing and the stinging Divinely barren And wickedly wise The killer nails are ringing"... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:19:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Message from JMDL Fiction page **Bob, have you lost all my contributions again ? I didn't notice any of the ones I posted months ago. As I recall I sent them all to you a second time because you were unable to locate them. ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------- Warren, Bob's been without regular computer access and off the JMDL for awhile. I'm sure he'll catch up with all your submissions sometime. Meanwhile, over at Joni Covers central, I just hit cover #1400 (!!) and will be announcing Volume 50 in a couple of days. Volume 50? What the heck was *I* thinking? :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:54:00 +1100 From: "A. Millington" Subject: Re: Fwd: The Texas Hillbilly njc I was sent this from California! > >>The Texas Hillbilly (Sing along to the tune of > >>"Beverly Hillbillies") > >> > >>Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy named Bush. > >>His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush. > >>He drank like a fish while he drove all about. > >>But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out. > >>DUI, that is. > >>Criminal record. > >>Cover-up. > >>Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to > >>Yale. > >>He can't spell his name but they never let him fail. > >>He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk. > >>And that's when he learns how to snort a line of coke. > >>Blow, that is. > >>White gold. > >>Nose candy. > >>The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam. > >>Kin folks say, "George, stay at home with Mom." > >>Let the common people get maimed and scarred. > >>We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard. > >>Cushy, that is. > >>Country clubs. > >>Nose candy. > >>Twenty years later George gets a little bored. > >>He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord. > >>He said, "Now the White House is the place I wanna > >>be." > >>So he called his daddy's friends and they called the > >>GOP. > >>Gun owners, that is. > >>Falwell. > >>Jesse Helms. > >>Come November 7, the election ran late. > >>Kin folks said "Jeb, give the boy your state!" > >>"Don't let those colored folks get into the polls." > >>So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their > >>holes. > >>Chads, that is. > >>Duval County. > >>Miami-Dade. > >>Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped > >>in. > >>Told all the voters "Hey, we want George to win." > >>"Stop counting votes!" was their solemn invocation. > >>And that's how George finally got his coronation. > >>Rigged, that is. > >>Illegitimate. > >>No moral authority. > >>Y'all come vote now, y'hear. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:00:24 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: re Gibson movie njc cul wrote: > > > Visual violence, like porn, is numbing after a certain amount of exposure. I can't handle it now just as much as I couldn't when young. Certain images from films haunt me today and I wish I hadn't seen them. I now avoid them. However, ordinary shooting and fist fighting as seen in some macho crap films doesn't bother me becasue i don't feel it as real. There is no way i will see this Gibson film from what has been described. Not long ago i saw a modern film about joan of Arc and deleiberately did not watch the last 10 mins. > When the cross was finally raised I found myself completely > uninterested in the remaining grimaces and assaults and drifted off > into considerations such as: "Ok, here's one white guy being tortured > pretty severely, but nothing like what blacks under US slavery or S > African apartheid endured as a matter of course without anyone > thinking it necessary to start a religion about it." > I get baffled and sometimes angry at those who seem to delight in telling us how much their God suffered. As afr as I am aware he had a good parents, a good upbringing, traveelled alot had good friends-till the last few days where he is said to have died a horrible death. Many mnay people throughout history have sufferred far more greatly. TODAY, right now, people, many of them children, the world over are suffering far more. It seems to me that those who bang on about this 'suffering of god' have no real idea about what suffering is. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:47:33 +0000 From: colin Subject: puppy update njc The little one has given up and passed. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:53:27 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: re Gibson movie njc cul wrote: > The movie was a movie which failed to move me > will make Gibson a fortune due to the media notariety and paraphenalia. I knew it! Jesus action figures! And Mary M! Herod! The Donkey! Call my broker. Wait, you didn't mean roach clips and stuff, right? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:10:07 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: re Gibson movie njc Randy thinks he's being funny about the Jesus action figures? Take a look at this: http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10746.html >I knew it! Jesus action figures! And Mary M! Herod! The Donkey! >Call my broker. Wait, you didn't mean roach clips and stuff, right? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:24:52 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: re Gibson movie really njc now Yes, but can you hollow it out and make it into a bong? I would rather save my money for the Jesus hanging bamboo curtain, $74.95. http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/christian.html Deb Messling wrote: > Randy thinks he's being funny about the Jesus action figures? Take a look > at this: > > http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10746.html > > >I knew it! Jesus action figures! And Mary M! Herod! The Donkey! > >Call my broker. Wait, you didn't mean roach clips and stuff, right? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:09:32 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: re Gibson movie njc Hi All, My thoughts on the movie have little, but some, to do with the its content. What I feel is the pruposeful uproar caused by it, is to stuff the box office. And at stake here is the inflaming of bigotry and anti semitism. But outside of the movie - which I beg all not to go see... is that Mel and his freaking parents are spewing a fundamentalist type of Catholicism that can only divide and cause pain to Jews. For ANYONE in their right mind to question the validity of the holocaust is abominable! To say the things he said (Mel's father) and I am parphrasing - "six million Jews killed hell ther weren't even six million Jews in all of europe at that time!" UGH! and also there was some comment about yeah they all left and moved to NY or Brooklyn! The problem is that most intelligent people will not believe this although some may - but this adds fuel to the fire for skinheads and other hate groups and plants a seed of doubt in many others. And according to Mel's father his 10 children agree with him and Mel has not discounted that in any way shape or form! I ask in a plea of love and understanding that you all not see this movie. You can live without it but please do not feed his twisted thoughts and words with your dollars, and therfore his pockets and that of his twisted sect of the Catholic church. Remember I am an atheist but a believer in all free thought and expression - so long as it does not inflict pain and harm on others. Never forget... Peace, Susan cul wrote: The movie was a movie which failed to move me, but had great cinematics, costumes, direction and actors. Its a professional work of art which will make Gibson a fortune due to the media notariety and paraphenalia. Though its an orgy of violence and mutilation which goes on so long that by the time I was watching the spikes being pounded in I was simply wondering about the FX techniques used rather than being "in the scene" feeling anything. Visual violence, like porn, is numbing after a certain amount of exposure. When the cross was finally raised I found myself completely uninterested in the remaining grimaces and assaults and drifted off into considerations such as: "Ok, here's one white guy being tortured pretty severely, but nothing like what blacks under US slavery or S African apartheid endured as a matter of course without anyone thinking it necessary to start a religion about it." I have no idea what all the anti-semetic hulabaloo is about either. What I saw was Jesus as Steven Biko...a victim of the powers that be during a period of political and social tulmult. Everybody back in the good old Biblical days was an uncaring asshole and not really big on the empathy skills; think Coliseum "games"and how the audiences loved a good day's slaughter or rending of flesh by man and beast alike. Meh...same old, same old. Humans have always been vicious little monkeys and still are when mindless mob comes to town at the urging of some elite group that wants to maintain their status quo. Nuke a faggot whale for Jesus. Oh well...next. " Oh all around the marketplace The buzzing of the flies The buzzing and the stinging Divinely barren And wickedly wise The killer nails are ringing"... Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 01:14:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: re Gibson movie really njc now shut up! the yard nun takes the cake! http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10463.html wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Randy > Remote > Enviado el: Sabado, 28 de Febrero de 2004 11:25 p.m. > Para: Deb Messling; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: re Gibson movie really njc now > > > Yes, but can you hollow it out and make it into a bong? I would > rather save my money for the Jesus hanging bamboo curtain, $74.95. > http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/christian.html > > Deb Messling wrote: > > > Randy thinks he's being funny about the Jesus action figures? > Take a look > > at this: > > > > http://www.mcphee.com/enlightenment/current/10746.html > > > > >I knew it! Jesus action figures! And Mary M! Herod! The Donkey! > > >Call my broker. Wait, you didn't mean roach clips and stuff, right? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #92 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)