From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #89 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 27 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 089 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- John Edwards NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: pup update njc [colin ] Re: friends [colin ] christmas cactus njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] eating animals njc [colin ] Re: friends [Catherine McKay ] Re: Harry's House and Hissing [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: John Edwards =?ISO-8859-1?B?oE5KQw==?= [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Clouds Hotel (now NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Harry's House and Hissing [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: eh? njc, eh ["jlobello" ] LOGO CONTEST 2004 [Claud9 ] swans on grass ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: swans on grass [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: swans on grass njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: swans on grass [colin ] Songs for a funeral! ["amelio747" ] RE: Buttons the cat, R.I.P. (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: John Edwards =?ISO-8859-1?B?oE5KQw==?= [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: raving raveen raven curls [AsharaJM@aol.com] re: Raveen curls ["mia ortlieb" ] RE: swans on grass njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: John Edwards NJC [vince ] Re: Harry's House and Hissing ["Kakki" ] Re: friends [Catgirl ] Re: eating animals njc [Catgirl ] Re: Songs for a funeral! [Catgirl ] Re: Songs for a funeral! [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 03:08:30 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: John Edwards NJC For those of you in Super Tuesday states: I am writing to ask you to make Super Tuesday truly super by voting for John Edwards in the Democratic primary. Why John Edwards and not the other guy? Because Edwards is the man who has the energy, clear ideas and focus on the issues that matter most to America's future. He, not the other guy, is attractive to Democrats, independents and maverick Republicans. He, not the other guy, is the one who can beat George Bush...if only he can become the Democratic nominee. Please, set aside the hype and media attention being afforded to "the frontrunner" and get on board. In the short time I have been active in the Edwards campaign, I have done more than for all past candidates combined. That is the kind of impact this very positive man has on people. And that is why he can be victorious in November. And by the way, for those of you who will charge that Edwards is bankrolled by rich lawyers, please note that the campaign is currently chugging along on web-based donations averaging less than $100. Thanks for reading. For more information: http://www.johnedwards2004.com/home.asp Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:06:18 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: pup update njc Catherine McKay wrote: >Do they make special >little bottles for tiny puppies? > yes and they are reral crap. I am using a human 0-1 mth old bottle with a variable flow tit. > Do you have to buy >some special kind of formula for them? > yes. They ares till going strong. Very slowly putting on weight. Mum has some milk now but not enough. the smallest is now 144gms and the largest 160gms. 160 gms is a little under nortmal birthweight for my dogs. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:07:39 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: friends Catherine McKay wrote: > > >That would make it a SJC funeral, I guess. So what >Joni songs would you choose for your funeral? >The Circle Game? >River? >Dog Eat Dog? (because for short, it's DED?) >Night Ride Home? (LOL) > > NRH is a good choice. so is TCG. not sure about DED! Help Me? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:09:50 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: christmas cactus njc Q of Q: >I have a Christmas cactus that is the granddaughter of >one that my Mum had. My Mum got hers when she first >got married (this would be over 50 years ago) - she >received it as a cutting in the mail from her aunt who >was a nun (not that that has anything to do with it). "not that that has anything to do with it." made me smile Catherine. . . and now I want that chrismas cactus to bloom. . . I suggest you make it your mission to do what it takes. and let us know when the first flower arrives. Mariann e _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:11:11 +0000 From: colin Subject: eating animals njc I respect people's choice not to eat animals. What I object to is them putting their moral spin on it. They don't know the Truth of it, it is just their idea. If it was wrong for us humans to eat animal meat, we wouldn't be made the way we are. Humans evolved to eat meat-that is how we survived. Funny how it gets tied with spirituality. Many people believe the native americans are highly spiritual yet they have always and still do eat meat. Probably why they don;t get mentioned. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:15:51 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: friends --- colin wrote: > Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > > > >That would make it a SJC funeral, I guess. So what > >Joni songs would you choose for your funeral? Colin suggested: > Help Me? Help me, I think I'm falling... into the grave? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:01:00 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing True, but it's fun to kick around those kinds of ideas, and what better place to do it? While I appreciate the similarities of HOSL, Harry, and Main Street, I don't think one has to group them together to make the proper emphasis on Joni's theme. After all, how many mystery plays introduce a gun in Act 1 that doesn't become a factor until the final act? I think Joni uses a similar technique with HOSL...she introduces her "gun", which is the line..."a woman was fading in a suburban room", placed out of context in the middle of a song about recalling the joys of reckless youth & the beginning steps of independence, then 'explodes' it later on with the other songs. I don't think her liner note statement about HOSL being conceived as a whole, etc. is pompous at all. I think she's just acknowledging her own creation in view of the fact that she probably knew that it wouldn't be fully realized in its own time. Bob NP: Los Lobos, "Manny's Bones" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:08:10 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: John Edwards =?ISO-8859-1?B?oE5KQw==?= I'm not sure that people in general see Edwards as someone with enough experience in the political arena. I DO think he'd be smart to sign on as veep to Kerry, that way he'd energize younger voters and also help the Dems in the South (as you know he won the primary in my state). I'm OK with either guy, actually...what concerns me now is dickhead Ralph Nader announcing his candidacy last Sunday, merely to stroke his own ego. Hopefully the folks that voted for him in 2000 (and in so doing gave us the mega-dickhead Dubya) will pull a Pete Townsend and say "We won't get fooled again", because their 'new boss' was DEFINITELY not the same as the 'old boss'!! Bob NP: Los Lobos, "This Bird's Gonna Fly" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:45:01 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds Hotel (now NJC) Linda M. wrote: <> Linda, how WONDERFUL to see your name on the list!! Coincidentally, I was looking through pictures of past Jonifests yesterday and saw your picture there and was wondering what happened to you! Jonifest is now in the Catskills, which, I think is closer to you, so come join us this summer! So great to see you here again. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:51:19 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing Bob Muller replied I don't think her liner note statement about HOSL being conceived as a whole, etc. is pompous at all. I think she's just acknowledging her own creation in view of the fact that she probably knew that it wouldn't be fully realized in its own time. Bob Let's see......she's acknowledging her own work as divinely inspired, because modern critics probably won't be able to recognize it as such? Will someone help me find a better word than "pompous" ? Of course, just because a person thinks she's a genius doesn't mean it's not true. In this case, it obviously is :-) Bobsart By the way, Bob M, I like your analogy of introducing the theme early and slamming you with it later. I'm glad you pointed it out - just before I reached my 30th anniversary of not appreciating that's what the inspired artist was doing :~) (heading for Fla - see y'all in a week) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:18:02 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Re: eh? njc, eh Catherine, Surprisingly you never hear "eh" used south of the Mackinac bridge in the lower peninsula. I think that might have to do with the heavy Cornish influence up here. They (Cornish people) came over to work in the iron and copper mines up here during the 1800s. There is also a heavy Finnish influence here (Eino and Toivo jokes). Here's another regional tidbit. People in the U.P. call themselves Yoopers or Michiganians, whereas, they call people from "below the bridge" (the Mackinac bridge) Trolls (or Michiganders). Jono - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "jlobello" ; ; "cul" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: Re: eh? njc, eh > --- jlobello wrote: > Hey Cul, > > Don't ya'll know that us Yoopers use "eh?" too, eh? > > Jono > > > > That's cuz y'all are really Canadians, eh? Look at all > dem French names of things - like Detroit. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:23:43 -0500 From: Claud9 Subject: LOGO CONTEST 2004 LOGO CONTEST 2004 Unleash your CREATIVITY!!!!! Right, that9s what you9ve been waiting for ;-) !!!! So, here it is -- time to think about a logo for this year9s Jonifest JONIFEST 2004!!!! Once again, have fun and explore with your pens, paper, pencils, watercolors, pastels, scissors, oils, acryllics, crayons, magic markers and other creative implements! Then enter your entries for the most WONDERFUL logo for Jonifest 2004 to: logocontest@jmdl.com Of course, like with all contests, here are the.... CONTEST RULES: 1) Please no copyrighted pictures/drawings. 2) Please keep the Logo simple for ease of reproduction. 3) It should include the words Jonifest 2004 somewhere in the Logo. Feel free to make up a slogan as well, if the spirit moves you. 4) Prize: Undying gratitude from the Jonifest community and the ENORMOUS prestige of having your logo used for top secret Jonifest things. As in last year, there will be a wonderful prize as well, to be given to the winner. (To be determined.) 5) All entries must be received by May 3, 2004. Everyone out in JMDL land will have a chance to vote for their favorite logo. So get your muses spinning .....and most importantly HAVE FUN!!!! Much inspiration, Claudia (logo contest volunteer) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:13:01 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: swans on grass I know grass rhymes with glass and ass but - Why would every swan caught on the grass create a Borderline? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:08:21 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: swans on grass Joni tells all in this interview excerpt: "Years ago I was in upstate New York in the Hamptons with a couple of friends of mine, and we saw some cars had pulled over to the side of the road where there was a tidal marsh and they were looking at something. So we pulled over to see what it was. And what it was was a swan with her babies -- what are they called, lornets? -- had gotten stranded on the grass, and there was a brutish fellow who had pulled over. I swear to God this is the guy, you know, that singes cats' ears and he really had a brute mentality. You could feel that if we weren't there that, you know, he'd probably break the bird's neck. It was a strong violence coming off of him. And he was teasing the bird, and the bird was backing up trying to get her babies towards the water because they were very awkward the lot of them on the land. And as a defense she would pick up sticks with her bill and real emphatically like lift her head high up in the air for emphasis and drop them on the ground, and it was, "here's my line, don't cross it." And she'd look over her shoulder, back up, and the babies would back up, and she kept doing that gesture. And this brute was laughing like, you know, at this futile defense, you know, and I always thought, God, you know, I wonder if in the rest of nature if this little borderline, this little defense line, would be honored in the way when the possum goes belly-up it's honored, or when the wolf goes belly-up, you know, there are submission postures that will make the animal world walk away. But it doesn't work on man, you know? There are images like that that you could say that that was a poignant and emotionally disturbing thing to witness to me. But it was stored for a long time until there was a place to parquet it." It does seem like an odd line if you don't know the story. Bob NP: Los Lobos, "The Word" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:39:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: swans on grass njc ok, i know this one: cygnets! > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Enviado el: Jueves, 26 de Febrero de 2004 02:08 p.m. > Para: "J.David Sapp"; "joni list" > Asunto: Re: swans on grass > > > And what it was was a swan with her babies -- what are they > called, lornets? -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:11:41 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: swans on grass SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > >And this brute was laughing like, you know, at this futile defense, you know, and I always thought, God, you know, I wonder if in the rest of nature if this little borderline, this little defense line, would be honored in the way when the possum goes belly-up it's honored, or when the wolf goes belly-up, you know, there are submission postures that will make the animal world walk away. But it doesn't work on man, you know? There are images like that that you could say that that was a poignant and emotionally disturbing thing to witness to me. But it was stored for a long time until there was a place to parquet it." > > yes, joni, you know, i get it, you know..... unfortunately, there are loads of people like the man she descirbes aside: the belly up thing does not always work in cats and dogs-0some agressive dogs a nd cats wil still attack a belly up.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:25:44 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Songs for a funeral! Ok so I guess I'm a bit morbid sometimes but, I've chosen "Sweet Bird" for my funeral plus 2 other non Joni songs. This song is really important to me and really soothing. It just cuts through all the crap and pettiness that life can deal in. Other Joni songs which would be fitting for a funeral... Both Sides Now (well duh!) Down To You (reflective and something to live by) Amelia Woodstock Cactus Tree ("...being free"!) NP: Life Is Sweet - Natalie Merchant - wow guys this song is so powerful! * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" To: "Catherine McKay" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: Re: friends > Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > > > >That would make it a SJC funeral, I guess. So what > >Joni songs would you choose for your funeral? > >The Circle Game? > >River? > >Dog Eat Dog? (because for short, it's DED?) > >Night Ride Home? (LOL) > > > > > NRH is a good choice. so is TCG. not sure about DED! > Help Me? > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:07:37 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: RE: Buttons the cat, R.I.P. (NJC) Patrick said: <> Dearest Cul, you may now officially join the Joni Mondegreen club. Who's next? ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:10:44 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Raveen curls <> tubes in your eyes!? ouch! that's gotta hurt! How do these things happen? Just to add more confusion to the discussion (unless this was mentioned previously), I have the HOSL guitar songbook.....and it even contradicts itself. The printed lyric over the Joni swimming photo is "Raven" with a capital "R", while the printed lyric on the page with the music is "raving." Mia (who prefers raving) _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:30:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: swans on grass njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > ok, i know this one: cygnets! > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com > [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > > Enviado el: Jueves, 26 de Febrero de 2004 02:08 > p.m. > > Para: "J.David Sapp"; "joni list" > > Asunto: Re: swans on grass > > > > > > And what it was was a swan with her babies -- what > are they > > called, lornets? -- Maybe she was thinking of a lorgnette! Anyhoo, I love that word - cygnet. Cool story from Joni, but it never puzzled me really. If you've ever seen those larger birds walking around and you get too close, they'll hiss at you - that's the borderline I was thinking about. And I hope someone dealt with that brute. I hate people that abuse animals. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:24:27 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: John Edwards NJC I voted for Edwards in the Michigan caucuses. I will happily vote - and more so work very hard - for the election of the Democratic nominee. The guy we got has got to go. BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: >For those of you in Super Tuesday states: > >I am writing to ask you to make Super Tuesday truly super by voting for John >Edwards in the Democratic primary. Why John Edwards and not the other guy? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:58:32 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing Bob S. wrote: > Let's see......she's acknowledging her own work as divinely inspired, because > modern critics probably won't be able to recognize it as such? > > Will someone help me find a better word than "pompous" ? Kind of sounds that way to me, too, now in retrospect. I think that kind of tone not uncommon in describing one's art back in that period of the 1970s. I may have even done it myself a few times (although every time I tried to get lofty with my descriptions I always felt like, naw, this is kind of fakey ;-) Maybe Joni was just at a loss for better words to describe it. I did recognize at the time (even though I was a young pup) exactly the themes Joni was conveying. I wrote a long discourse about it on the list some time long ago in the last century. I felt it was especially true of the Southern Californian suburban landscape I was experiencing at the time. The wild cultural swings of the Vietnam war were over, we inherited a bland President (Ford) after the Watergate debacle, inflation and unemployment were rising (stagflation) and it felt like were were stuck somehow in a rut or some kind of horse latitudes economically, culturally and socially. It permeated the landscape. We were kind of worn out and wondering how to regain our spark (or looking for what our next spark would be). Everything was colored in shades of bland polyester. Even a lot of the music then was sort of limp. I think Joni captured the mood of the time brilliantly. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:57:00 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: friends I would have to chose Sweetbird Debi colin wrote: Catherine McKay wrote: > > >That would make it a SJC funeral, I guess. So what >Joni songs would you choose for your funeral? >The Circle Game? >River? >Dog Eat Dog? (because for short, it's DED?) >Night Ride Home? (LOL) > > NRH is a good choice. so is TCG. not sure about DED! Help Me? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: eating animals njc I never heard of a Native American that factory farmed. I never knew a Native American that brutilized animals either. The Native Americans got burnt real bad by the white man and look what the white man did to their land. We all should take the time out and listen to Lakota again.... and again, I say we all need to live by our own life choice. Debi colin wrote: I respect people's choice not to eat animals. What I object to is them putting their moral spin on it. They don't know the Truth of it, it is just their idea. If it was wrong for us humans to eat animal meat, we wouldn't be made the way we are. Humans evolved to eat meat-that is how we survived. Funny how it gets tied with spirituality. Many people believe the native americans are highly spiritual yet they have always and still do eat meat. Probably why they don;t get mentioned. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:17:57 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral! Well, I will have to save this post and put it in my will for my family to play my Joni at my wake. I love Sweet Bird and the other choices work very well too. Since this will be my last party, its my choice and I choose Joni. I think Woodstock would be a good choice too! Debi amelio747 wrote: Ok so I guess I'm a bit morbid sometimes but, I've chosen "Sweet Bird" for my funeral plus 2 other non Joni songs. This song is really important to me and really soothing. It just cuts through all the crap and pettiness that life can deal in. Other Joni songs which would be fitting for a funeral... Both Sides Now (well duh!) Down To You (reflective and something to live by) Amelia Woodstock Cactus Tree ("...being free"!) NP: Life Is Sweet - Natalie Merchant - wow guys this song is so powerful! * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" To: "Catherine McKay" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: Re: friends > Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > > > >That would make it a SJC funeral, I guess. So what > >Joni songs would you choose for your funeral? > >The Circle Game? > >River? > >Dog Eat Dog? (because for short, it's DED?) > >Night Ride Home? (LOL) > > > > > NRH is a good choice. so is TCG. not sure about DED! > Help Me? > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:31:24 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs for a funeral! I'd go with: Urge Circle Game Both Sides Li'l Green And the one that goes: Out on some borderline Some mark of in between I lay down golden in time And woke up vanishing Sweet bird you are Briefer than a falling star All these vain promises on beauty jars Somewhere with your wings on time You must be laughing Behind our eyes Calendar of our lives Circled with compromise Sweet bird of time and change etc... Then: His Eye is On the Sparrow For All We Know (Donny Hathaway) Ava Maria Oh Happy Day But, me, I ain't goin' nowhere. Not yet. Carpe diem. - -Julius ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #89 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)