From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #88 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 26 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 088 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- raving raveen raven curls [cul ] walt, govenor and noodle njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Geffen songs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Harry's House and Hissing [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Raveen Curls [Bobsart48@aol.com] North Carolina show - Saturday (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: raving raveen raven curls [Steve Polifka ] Re: Schwartzenegger, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] eating animals njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Schwartzenegger, NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: Geffen songs [Garret ] re - Geffen songs ["J.David Sapp" ] tofu recipes, njc [Jennifer Faulkner ] Re: Love of my soul: beyond lyrics [Randy Remote ] Re: Peter Max, NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: re - Geffen songs...now DED ["amelio747" ] Re: Schwartzenegger, NJC [Randy Remote ] Fwd: co-founder of Stax dies. [jan ] Joni music on CBC's Opening Night ["michael o'malley" ] Re: The Secret Life of Plants, NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: eh? njc, eh [Catherine McKay ] Re: re - Geffen songs...now DED [Catgirl ] Re; The Secret Life of Plants [Catgirl ] Re: pup update njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: friends [Catherine McKay ] Re: Harry's House and Hissing [Bobsart48@aol.com] Today's Library Links: February 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:42:39 -0500 From: cul Subject: raving raveen raven curls God that felt good!...I danced around the room half the night singing " skinny black models with raving curls" just like I always used to until the whole damn conspiracy about raveen/raven/raving had me questioning my sanity. Damn you... damn you all! It made so much sense to me hearing her sing raving curls, I knew exactly what she meant ...and damn it, in my universe it will forever remain raving...just like this train...er, of thought . :) cul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:04:42 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: walt, govenor and noodle njc Walt, I think your letter to the govenor is terrific! And I never got around to telling you that, I think you are terrific. When I was at the Jonifest last year(my first time), I was somewhat overwhelmed by everything going on.. . in a good way. . so I didn't have a chance to talk to everybody.. . and stuff. but I loved, loved , loved your joni noodle skit. It was very fun and creative. And to tell you the truth, it was the first time I ever thought about how it must have been (or could have been) for Joni to grow up with her special creative genius ways. I would really love for Joni to see that. I mean it. She could see it on video, but in person is better than on video. Bree and I saw it on video (DVD) too. Yet, seeing it in person is better. I think that if Joni ever shows up for a jonifest or it there is ever a way for her to see you (and Susan did a great job too) it would be a wonderful thing for you to perform this for her. And yes, you make good parallels with rights for black people in this country and rights for lesbian and gay men. If only we could get others to escape socialization and to think for themselves.. . . . "it's just a dream some of us had." We won't give up, huh? Keep on keeping on. LOve Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:25:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Geffen songs **I never listen to the lyrics of *Good friends* befor and now I love the song. I like this version better since I was never a big Michael McDonald fan. I mean I like the song but this version is just so much better (IMHO).** Hey - me too, Debi...listened to it last night and loved it. (I bought the Geffen box, pulled those 3 tracks off, and turned around and sold the box). In my mind (and perhaps in Joni's, hence its release) the song sounds so much truer when all the synthetic layers are peeled off and you're left with Joni's vocal and her piano...ahhh, bliss! Maybe someday we'll get the whole record in this form. I do enjoy the acoustic versions of some of these songs we've got on other unreleased collections. Bob, who likes Joni better with Shadows & Light as opposed to smoke & mirrors... NP: The Postal Service ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:21:17 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing Bob Muller wrote: "I think really that you can sequence the songs on HOSL in any order and it works, because they don't really tell a "start- to-finish" story per se but rather examine a similar theme through several different references & profiles." I suspect you are right, Bob. That said, Joni's somewhat pompous sounding (to my ears) boast on the inner cover suggests otherwise in a sense: "This record is a total work conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally - as a whole. The performances were guided by the given compositional structures and the audibly inspired beauty of every player. The whole unfolded like a mystery." That said, after posting too hastily yesterday, I realized that In France They Kissed on Main Street is really non-urban in theme. So maybe my new order is Side 1 Don't Interrupt Jungle Line Edith Boho Dance Scarlett Side 2 IFTKOMS Hissing Harry's House/Centerpiece Sweet Bird Shadows and Light I like it. I was thinking yesterday about Blue and Hejira (the masterpieces), and about Joni's body of work even if she had not produced those two. Incredible, really :~) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:25:14 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Raveen Curls Warren replied Hi guy, I remeber the lyrics on my original vinyl being " raven curls " but before I made the post I checked the CD just to be sure - my copy from the CD also says " raven curls." I guess you're right we will have to go directly to the source and ask Joan to " straighten " the whole mess out ! Later... Jonily yours, Warren Keith Well, I agree. My (rather recent) HDCD does print "Raveen". Clearly, she is not singing "Raven". Would love to know who played around with the CD liners. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:14:07 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: North Carolina show - Saturday (njc) If any of you Carolina folk want to make a road trip this weekend, I'll be playing at the Black Wolf Vineyards restaurant this Saturday, Feb 28th, from 7-10pm, accompanied by Mark Richard (wrote Happy F$%^ Birthday). Their food is incredibly delicious and the Wolf's Lair is in a beautiful log cabin. I always order the Roasted Elk...mmmm. Reservations are recommended. Located in Dobson, close to Mt.Airy. For more information visit http://blackwolfvineyards.com . Cheers, Victor FROM WINSTON-SALEM: North on U.S. Hwy 52 towards Mt Airy. Take Interstate 74 west to the U.S. Hwy 601 exit. Take U.S. Hwy 601 south (towards Dobson) for five miles. Turn left into Vineyard Lane (directly across the highway from Andrew Lane) and follow the one-way road as it curves through the vineyard to Black Wolf Vineyard and The Wolf's Lair Restaurant at the top of the hill Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:27:00 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Re: Raveen Curls Well, I have something to ad. (LOL) Have you LISTENED to how she pronounces the word in the song? It clearly sounds to me like she is singing RAVEEN. You can't trust lyrics in her lp's or songbooks because they are filled with mistakes. Fro example, in the BLUE music book in the lyrics for LTISR, the lyric is printed: 'you've got tubes in your eyes...' lol again, Steve At 05:19 PM 2/24/2004 EST, you wrote: >Hi guy, I remeber the lyrics on my original vinyl being " raven curls " but >before I made the post I checked the CD just to be sure - my copy from the CD >also says " raven curls." I guess you're right we will have to go directly to >the source and ask Joan to " straighten " the whole mess out ! Later... > >Jonily yours, >Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:32:15 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls I always sang 'raving' myself when it first came out... Steve At 03:42 AM 2/25/2004 -0500, cul wrote: >God that felt good!...I danced around the room half the night singing " >skinny black models with raving curls" just like I always used to until >the whole >damn conspiracy about raveen/raven/raving had me questioning my sanity. > >Damn you... damn you all! > >It made so much sense to me hearing her sing raving curls, I knew >exactly what she meant >...and damn it, in my universe it will forever remain raving...just like >this train...er, of thought . :) > >cul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:21:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing Bobsart said: I dunno Bob...while I stated that thematically the record works with the songs in any order (because they are so incredibly strong), I would have to say that IFTKOMS is THE perfect opening track to the record for a number of reasons: 1. Although Miles of Aisles preceded it, her last studio record was C&S, ending with the jazzy, rapid-fire vocal of 'Twisted'. Main Street picks up some of that same style, as if to draw the listener in with its similarities. Then, just when you think you're getting C&S Part II...BAMM! Up comes 'Jungle Line', and you quickly learn you're not in Kansas anymore, so to speak. 2. The song foreshadows the conflict between the dreams of youth and the realities of suburban America... "Under neon signs A girl was in bloom And a woman was fading In a suburban room" While the song sounds cheery to the untrained ear, there's a sharp contrast here and a sign of things to come. Is this a before and after picture of the same girl? Or is the 'girl in bloom' thinking about the fading woman? The latter would make sense to set up the next comment: "And I told him They don't take chances They seem so removed from romance They've been broken in churches and schools And molded to middle class circumstance" Your fantasy sequence begins the record with DITS, which would be a puzzling beginning as the lyric is inaccessible at first. (Particularly given that her last release was MOA which had more of a crowd-pleasing feel to it, despite the new arrangements of many of her songs). I think that Main Street just sets up the rest of the record so nicely, both musically, lyrically, and in terms of its foreshadowing of the subtext of HOSL. Imagine if Jungle Line started off HOSL...people would think that the record company had packed the wrong disc in the sleeve! ;~) Bob NP: Living Colour, "funny vibe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:08:48 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: North Carolina show - Saturday (njc) Congratulations Victor! I wish I could be there but believe me i'll hoist one in your honor while i'm in NAWLINS! That looks like a cool place. Do those wolves in the picture live there? Looked like they were inside, hmmm wolves in the house - there's a song in there somewhere. Have fun and break a leg. love db >>> "Victor Johnson" 2/25/2004 11:14:07 AM >>> If any of you Carolina folk want to make a road trip this weekend, I'll be playing at the Black Wolf Vineyards restaurant this Saturday, Feb 28th, from 7-10pm, accompanied by Mark Richard (wrote Happy F$%^ Birthday). Their food is incredibly delicious and the Wolf's Lair is in a beautiful log cabin. I always order the Roasted Elk...mmmm. Reservations are recommended. Located in Dobson, close to Mt.Airy. For more information visit http://blackwolfvineyards.com . Cheers, Victor FROM WINSTON-SALEM: North on U.S. Hwy 52 towards Mt Airy. Take Interstate 74 west to the U.S. Hwy 601 exit. Take U.S. Hwy 601 south (towards Dobson) for five miles. Turn left into Vineyard Lane (directly across the highway from Andrew Lane) and follow the one-way road as it curves through the vineyard to Black Wolf Vineyard and The Wolf's Lair Restaurant at the top of the hill Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:53:50 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: The Secret Life of Plants, NJC Kate wrote: > Tofu is yummy, I ate it for years &am inspired to again (the getting > rid of water part is important!)... I agree with the cruelty involving > animals...however, have you ever watched 'the secret life of plants'? > You might never eat another vegetable! Hi Kate! You don't eat sugar?!... but you are so sweet! Tofu... it's very good! But, I have to watch it with soy products because I sort of overdosed on soy milk a few years ago. I couldn't get enough of it! Too many phytoestrogens caused me to have some problems with my endometrium and thyroid gland. Soy beans are a major crop here in Arkansas btw. I haven't seen the movie, "The Secret Life of Plants" but want to. I'm a plants rights activist... wink! My plants are cheering me on as I type. I've got them all around me. I get as attached to my plants as I do to my animals... maybe even more so sometimes. Some plants live a long, long time. I have one that was in my house when I was a child. I have one my grandfather brought up from Florida decades ago. I have a lot of them that I've rescued. My rubber tree was being dragged out to a dumpster before I asked for it. I have a purple Jew that one of my roomates from the 80's was going to trash thinking it was dead. If I go to a person's house and see a sick plant, I'll offer to take it and nurse it back to health. Usually people just say, "take it" and mean "keep it" so I have a lot of plants that I acquired this way too. It is hard to understand plants because they are so different from us. But there is evidence that plants are perceptive creatures... I know mine are! Here's a neat article from the Phillipines on this subject. Oh, and I think it is neat that vegetarians actually cause the death of fewer plants than people who eat meat from animals that were fed plants. I'm a semi-vegetarian because I love to fish and eat fish. Enjoy the article, and if you get the chance, check out the author's website given at the bottom of the article. Love, Laura Experiments prove plants have feelings Posted: 5:10 PM (Manila Time) | Jun. 23, 2003 Inquirer News Service By Jaime Licauco THE CURRENT controversy over the removal by the Metro Manila Development Authority of old trees along Katipunan Street in Quezon City to ease traffic congestion has focused public attention on the importance of trees to human life on earth. It is now common knowledge that plants and trees serve living creatures in multifarious ways. They prevent floods and soil erosion, give off oxygen, provide food and shelter for both animals and man and a source of medicine to fight all kinds of diseases.But neither the environmentalists nor the average modern individual is aware of the hidden life of plants or of their extra sensory powers. It was the American polygraph expert, Cleve Backster, who first brought up the incredible idea that plants are aware of their environment and have rudimentary emotions or feelings. Subsequently, he proved that hypothesis beyond doubt. He discovered that plants reacted to the death of other living creatures even though the doomed victims were not in the same room. His original experiment consisted of attaching polygraph electrodes on the leaves of philodendron plants. In another room, Backster set up a machine that would dump live brine shrimp at random into boiling water. As a control the machine occasionally would dump water without shrimp to see if the plants in the other room simply reacted to the mechanical process rather than to the death of the shrimp. To ensure that there is no human intervention, the experiment was conducted without any researcher in the laboratory. Everything was done automatically. One polygraph was not attached to any plant as a control to see if its readings would be different from the three polygraphs attached to the plants. Once the machines began to operate, experimenters left the building, only to return later to verify the results. And what were these results? "The plants in separate rooms connected to separate polygraphs," reported John Whitman in "The Psychic Power of Plants" (published by new American Library, New York, 1974), "responded to the death of the brine shrimp by showing acute stress curves similar to those shown by humans under intense pressure-either mental or physical." Furthermore, according to Backster, "The plants gave no response to the dumping of water which contained no shrimp at all." It shows the shrimp somehow was able to communicate to the plants in the other room its "death signals," much like a person involved in a fatal accident is able to communicate telepathically his death to loved one miles away from the scene of the accident. Plant identifies killer In another fascinating and rather incredible experiment, Backster was able to identify a plant killer through his polygraph machine. The plants pointed to the real killer by reacting wildly to him. Here is how Whitman described that classic experiment in the book mentioned earlier: "One of six students was chosen to kill a plant in a room with only one plant present. Neither Backster nor the five other students knew who the killer would be. The chosen student sneaked into the room with two plants and destroyed one of them. Backster later asked the students to come into the room one at a time. "Each of the innocent students came into the room and the plant showed no reaction to any of them. But when the guilty student came into the room, the plant seemed to go into a frenzy which showed up as wild activity on the polygraph tracings." Other experiments conducted by different researchers showed that plants responded positively to classical music and very badly to rock or heavy metal music. They also responded well to words of encouragement and positive emotions from people around them. Maybe that's why the fig tree withered and died when Christ cursed it for not bearing fruits, as related in the New Testament. City dwellers have not given much importance to plants. Maybe it's because they are not aware of their importance and sensitivity. As the above scientific experiments have shown, plants and trees have emotions and even psychic powers. Maybe we should tell MMDA Chair Bayani Fernando and his over-enthusiastic agents that plants are "human," too! Address letters to this column to 308 Prince Plaza I, 106 Legaspi St., Greenbelt, Makati City. Tel. nos.: (+63 2) 810-7245 or 892-6806 or e-mail jlicauco@edsamail.com.ph. Visit my website at http://j.licauco.tripod.com. Listen to my DZMM radio program every Sunday, 6-8 p.m. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:54:00 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: eh? Hey Cul, Don't ya'll know that us Yoopers use "eh?" too, eh? Jono >Thanks, Kate...its very weird to be in Florida after more than 30 years in Canada. the last half on the west coast. I'm taking some remedial night classes where they give me an electric shock if I say "eh?" and a slice of orange if I say "y'all". It seems to be working. They got all confused one time though when I asked "Y'all like 'y'all' better than 'eh?' eh?" The smell of burnt orange filled the room and we all had to go outside for a smoke until it cleared.< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:21:18 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Schwartzenegger, NJC Analysis of the name: > Schwartzenegger (keeping the t in) SCHWAR: for SCHool of WAR. Teaches the answer to the question what should we do to those we think are bad guys? The answer is "terminate them." WARTZ: from hanging out with green amphibians and acting like them sometimes. Beyond mere warts, these produce the Hulk effect. ZEN: enlightenment trying to manifest but being trapped between warts, war, and egg. EGGER: the "in your face" attitude that shows in people who are blown up, way out of proportion in mind and body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:17:17 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: eating animals njc D e t a c h m e n t a wonderful thing for many. . . it allows you to have what you want and feel no guilt if we stopped to think about the misery, the pain, the slaughter if we saw the cruelty perhaps wouldn't accept it. . . wouldn't pretend to ourselves that it is not there. Even though I am a vegetatian, I eat eggs. . I try to get them from my natural food co-op. . where the chickens are free range and I have been assured by the farmer that they do not kill the chicken when they no longer lay the eggs. But I don't always make it to that store. . so I buy them in the supermarket sometimes or I go to a diner and sometimes order them there. These chickens are horridly mistreated. This is where my detachment kicks in. I am not proud of it. Marianne >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:45:57 -0800 (PST) >From: Jennifer Faulkner >Subject: eating animals >Hey guys, >I'm glad you said what you said because there's something I wanted to let >people >know about and thought about putting it on the JMDL but wasn't sure if it's >okay. I recently got an email from a friend about Downers. These are sick >animals >slaughtered for meat. They are usually too sick to even stand up and are >dragged with chains or pushed by a forklift to slaughter. Often they are >left >lying on the ground waiting for slaughter without any means of getting food >or >water. I think it's inhumane, and I think some of you will, too. You can >go to >www.nodowners.org to learn more about it. Also, I have information I will >be >very glad to send you if you give me an address. I have a postcard you can >sign >to help support a petition to ban the slaughter of downed animals. This >isn't >just an issue of being humane. This is also an issue of what we eat, if we >choose to eat animals. Thanks for listening, guys. >Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:27:58 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Schwartzenegger, NJC Schwartzenegger (keeping the t in) Schwartz and all, eh? :~) I heard him say on Letterman that the name actually means "Black Plowman", to which Dave replied "Oh, and how do the Kennedys like having a Black Plowman in the family?" Bob NP: Loggins & Messina, "Sailing The Wind" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:31:07 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: Geffen songs Hi Debi, i got the geffen box as a christmas gift from my father. Funny - i didnt even have to drop hints! The first thing i did was listen to the NRH album which i had never heard but had really wanted (i had never heard any of these albums actually). I couldn't help but wonder why i had never bought that one! It's so wonderful. Two Grey Rooms had me enraptured as did Slouching towardBethlehem. Initially i was not too sure about Baby Blue, but it has grown on me. It is completely remade as a Joni song on there. WTRF impressed me more than i expected - had thought i would dislike YOu're So Square; its fun. Original Be Cool is wonderful. Am still getting through DED and CMIARS and will get back to ye all in a couple of months on that one. GARRET np- Nina Simone, Another Spring Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:49:26 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Geffen songs Hello all, I just heard for the first time the three Joni songs off of the Geffen CD. This was the first time I had ever heard these songs and needless to say I had goosebumps. I love her version of *It's all over now Baby Blue* by Dylan. This is a very interesting version. It reminded me of *Smile on your brother* by Gino Velenti(?). Very different from the original. I never listen to the lyrics of *Good friends* befor and now I love the song. I like this version better since I was never a big Michael McDonald fan. I mean I like the song but this version is just so much better (IMHO). *Two Grey Rooms* blew me away as well. I never knew she came up with the song and then found the words later until I came back to the list recently. You know, just when you think you heard everything by Joni, someone finds something, no one has ever heard befor. Keep digging! Debi - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:51:56 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: re - Geffen songs So true Debi - the piano version on Geffen really shows off the songs rhythmic nature. The whole of Dog Eat Dog really benefits from the re-mastering - so many layers of sound - truly quite remarkable. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:44:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: tofu recipes, njc Hey everyone, I was wondering if you guys might have good recipes using tofu. My mom is Asian, so the only way I know to cook it is with rice and fried vegetables (Americans call it stir fry). Thanks, Jennifer Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:22:39 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Love of my soul: beyond lyrics Caio Nehring wrote: > This is my first mail to all of you. > I've been reading this beatiful flow of emails getting into my outlook for > the last week, people interchanging and sharing his inner world full of > Joni's music & beauty, compositions,achievements, facts, stories and > history...and i must tell you that it has been kinda epiphanic to me. The same > way Joni's music and voice has been an epiphany in my life for nearly 35 > years...since i wanted to know who was that guy, Joni, who composed Woodstock, > one of the tracks i liked best, from my new CSN&Y's Deja Vu LP. > Somebody told me it wasn't a He: it was a She! > I must tell you as well that i'm brazilian and by that time i did not speak > english (!'m still learning...). Welcome to the list & your English is excellent, and it's the first time I've seen the word epiphanic in an email. It was epiphanic. Totally. I thought Stevie Nicks was a guy at first. > If i wanted to understand what the lyrics > meant, i had to get a good dictionary and work the lyrics out. When Tommy from > The Who came out, it took somethin' like a month to understand what it was all > about I'm still trying to figure it out! > > The astonishing thing and what really amazes me now > is that for years, i listened to Joni's records whithout understanding > what she was singing! I do that with Brazilian music...I don't understand any Portugese, but love the sound...it has to be the most sensuous language...(also Hawaiian, French) > Basically "her sounds" were what seduced me, what put a > definitive spell on me. I would say so, too. It was a big bonus that she is an incredibly gifted lyricist. > By then i did not know how strong and full of meaning > her lyrics (poetry) were. > Only in 1976, when i went to live for some time in London, and bought Hejira > as a Christmas gift 4 myself, i started ... yes? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:26:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Peter Max, NJC Cool story! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:38:59 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: re - Geffen songs...now DED I'm sooo in love with DED right now and yes I agree David, the remastering really has paid off. I can listen to it all the way through now and I've even grown to like Ethiopia! What Joni says about the song in the booklet really hits the nail on the head! Joni always takes everything into consideration. The whole album makes some kind of sense to me. Possibly her best post Hejira album? NP: The Lamb Ran Away With The Crown (live) - Judee Sill * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.David Sapp" To: "joni list" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: re - Geffen songs > song.> > > So true Debi - the piano version on Geffen really shows off the songs rhythmic > nature. The whole of Dog Eat Dog really benefits from the re-mastering - so > many layers of sound - truly quite remarkable. > > peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:44:49 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Schwartzenegger, NJC LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Analysis of the name: > Schwartzenegger (keeping the t in) > > SCHWAR: for SCHool of WAR. Teaches the answer to the question what > should we do to those we think are bad guys? The answer is "terminate them." > > WARTZ: from hanging out with green amphibians and acting like them > sometimes. Beyond mere warts, these produce the Hulk effect. > > ZEN: enlightenment trying to manifest but being trapped between > warts, war, and egg. > > EGGER: the "in your face" attitude that shows in people who are blown > up, way out of proportion in mind and body. Someone hit him in the head with an egg during his campaign to conquer Cally-forny-uh. "You owe me bacon", he said. Not making this up. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:12:27 -0800 From: jan Subject: Fwd: co-founder of Stax dies. >http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/25/obit.axton.ap/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:57:02 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni music on CBC's Opening Night Just a reminer for Canucks to set their VCR's Thursday, Feb. 26 at 7 p.m. for this unusual dance show inspired by Joni's music http://www.cbc.ca/openingnight/show_timetotime.html The story: Acclaimed filmmaker Moze Mossanen's From Time To Time, a film exploring the remarkable music of Joni Mitchell through the choreography of renowned Canadian dance maker Ginette Laurin (O Vertigo Danse), airs on CBC Television's OPENING NIGHT, Thursday, Feb. 26 at 7 p.m. (Please note that OPENING NIGHT is one hour on this occasion.) The film charts the emotional arc of a suburban woman's life through a breathtaking combination of dance, drama and the music of world-renowned singer/songwriter Mitchell. It stars some of the most talented dancers in the country, including Ted Banfalvi, Roberto Campanella, Rex Harrington and newcomer Emma Lu Romerein. From Time To Time is a moving portrait of a woman's life, from the initial flirtations of youth through to the disappointments and compromises of her adult years. Deepened by the extraordinary music of Mitchell, this moving film touches upon the idealism of the 1960s, the sexual experimentation of the '70s, the social turbulence of the '80s and '90s and the promise of the new millennium. The seven songs featured in the film are derived from the recent, highly acclaimed Mitchell albums Both Sides Now and Travelogue. Mitchell is one of the world's most celebrated singer/songwriters. Her body of work, including 16 albums in 35 years, is one of the most vivid and remarkable chronicles of a woman's life. Few can equal her command of her instruments, facility with lyrics, melody and arranging. Singer/songwriter Bonnie Raitt once said, "On her level, there is nobody who can touch her." From Time To Time is written and directed by Moze Mossanen (Year of the Lion, The Rings of Saturn) and is a co-production of CBC Television and Bravo!FACT, co-produced by Stephen Traynor. Executive producer of OPENING NIGHT is Robert Sherrin. The site also has a link to arcival footage of Joni from 1967. http://archives.cbc.ca/400d.asp?id=1-69-580-3213&wm6=1 Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:18:40 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni music on CBC's Opening Night oh my god, roberto, michael, anyone canadian, will you please tape this for me? if you do, i'll send blanks, postage, love. i may be only one of two people on this list who knows of ginette laurin and o vertigo, but i've adored the work for 15 years. not to mention the fact that rex harrington may be the sexiest canadian man ever. this is really an exciting project, great canadian artists from wide-flung disciplines trying to work with the music of maybe the finest canadian artist ever. i am serious. this project may end up sucking, but i'd rather see this, even on film, a serious engagement with joni's art by some serious artists in someone unpopular media, rather than another tour with that hack bob dylan. patricko, frothing >http://www.cbc.ca/openingnight/show_timetotime.html > >The story: >Acclaimed filmmaker Moze Mossanen's From Time To Time, a film exploring the >remarkable music of Joni Mitchell through the choreography of renowned >Canadian dance maker Ginette Laurin (O Vertigo Danse), airs on CBC >Television's OPENING NIGHT, Thursday, Feb. 26 at 7 p.m. (Please note that >OPENING NIGHT is one hour on this occasion.) > >The film charts the emotional arc of a suburban woman's life through a >breathtaking combination of dance, drama and the music of world-renowned >singer/songwriter Mitchell. It stars some of the most talented >dancers in the >country, including Ted Banfalvi, Roberto Campanella, Rex Harrington and >newcomer Emma Lu Romerein. > >From Time To Time ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:45:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni music on CBC's Opening Night michael o'malley wrote: > Just a reminer for Canucks to set their VCR's Thursday, Feb. 26 at 7 p.m. for > this unusual dance show inspired by Joni's music > > http://www.cbc.ca/openingnight/show_timetotime.html > > The seven songs featured in the film are derived from the recent, > highly acclaimed Mitchell albums Both Sides Now and Travelogue. > So they are dancing to Joni's recordings from BSN & Tlog? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:12:50 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: raving raveen raven curls I would like to beleive that maybe Joni porsposely changed the word to allow the listener to make their own interpretation. I always thought it was raven curls. I like listening to what everyone else thinks but I am sticking with the black glossy hair. Debi Steve Polifka wrote: I always sang 'raving' myself when it first came out... Steve At 03:42 AM 2/25/2004 -0500, cul wrote: >God that felt good!...I danced around the room half the night singing " >skinny black models with raving curls" just like I always used to until >the whole >damn conspiracy about raveen/raven/raving had me questioning my sanity. > >Damn you... damn you all! > >It made so much sense to me hearing her sing raving curls, I knew >exactly what she meant >...and damn it, in my universe it will forever remain raving...just like >this train...er, of thought . :) > >cul *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:43:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Secret Life of Plants, NJC --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Kate wrote: > I'm a plants rights activist... wink! My plants are > cheering me on as I type. > I've got them all around me. I get as attached to > my plants as I do to my > animals... maybe even more so sometimes. Some > plants live a long, long time. I > have one that was in my house when I was a child. I > have one my grandfather > brought up from Florida decades ago. I have a Christmas cactus that is the granddaughter of one that my Mum had. My Mum got hers when she first got married (this would be over 50 years ago) - she received it as a cutting in the mail from her aunt who was a nun (not that that has anything to do with it). My sister has the original grandma plant which is very old and woody now but still going strong. I had to take my Christmas cactus to work because one of my cats was eating it. It's going strong but hasn't flowered since we moved offices three years ago - the light in my present office just isn't right - the things seem to need south light and my office window faces west, but mostly it just faces the condo next door! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: eating animals njc Thank you for speaking your truth. I occasionlly eat fish (when there is nothing veg. on the menu) but try to stay away from. Fish have very sensative mouths for picking up food and then spitting it out. I buy organic eggs, but then I am pro-choice. Everyone has to make their peace with them selves and God- as they understand him/her. I feel better about myself not eating animals. For me, it just makes sense. I have also been a Yoga Instructor for over 6 years, and one of the tenets is non-violence which is why most Yogis and Yogini's do not eat animals. Debi Marianne Rizzo wrote: D e t a c h m e n t a wonderful thing for many. . . it allows you to have what you want and feel no guilt if we stopped to think about the misery, the pain, the slaughter if we saw the cruelty perhaps wouldn't accept it. . . wouldn't pretend to ourselves that it is not there. Even though I am a vegetatian, I eat eggs. . I try to get them from my natural food co-op. . where the chickens are free range and I have been assured by the farmer that they do not kill the chicken when they no longer lay the eggs. But I don't always make it to that store. . so I buy them in the supermarket sometimes or I go to a diner and sometimes order them there. These chickens are horridly mistreated. This is where my detachment kicks in. I am not proud of it. Marianne >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:45:57 -0800 (PST) >From: Jennifer Faulkner >Subject: eating animals >Hey guys, >I'm glad you said what you said because there's something I wanted to let >people >know about and thought about putting it on the JMDL but wasn't sure if it's >okay. I recently got an email from a friend about Downers. These are sick >animals >slaughtered for meat. They are usually too sick to even stand up and are >dragged with chains or pushed by a forklift to slaughter. Often they are >left >lying on the ground waiting for slaughter without any means of getting food >or >water. I think it's inhumane, and I think some of you will, too. You can >go to >www.nodowners.org to learn more about it. Also, I have information I will >be >very glad to send you if you give me an address. I have a postcard you can >sign >to help support a petition to ban the slaughter of downed animals. This >isn't >just an issue of being humane. This is also an issue of what we eat, if we >choose to eat animals. Thanks for listening, guys. >Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:45:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: eh? njc, eh --- jlobello wrote: > Hey Cul, > Don't ya'll know that us Yoopers use "eh?" too, eh? > Jono > That's cuz y'all are really Canadians, eh? Look at all dem French names of things - like Detroit. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: re - Geffen songs...now DED Oh my gawd! Ethiopia is my most favorite song on the CD! Debi amelio747 wrote: I'm sooo in love with DED right now and yes I agree David, the remastering really has paid off. I can listen to it all the way through now and I've even grown to like Ethiopia! What Joni says about the song in the booklet really hits the nail on the head! Joni always takes everything into consideration. The whole album makes some kind of sense to me. Possibly her best post Hejira album? NP: The Lamb Ran Away With The Crown (live) - Judee Sill * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.David Sapp" To: "joni list" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: re - Geffen songs > > song.> > > So true Debi - the piano version on Geffen really shows off the songs rhythmic > nature. The whole of Dog Eat Dog really benefits from the re-mastering - so > many layers of sound - truly quite remarkable. > > peace, david *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:55:18 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re; The Secret Life of Plants Catherine wrote: I had to take my Christmas cactus to work because one of my cats was eating it. It's going strong but hasn't flowered since we moved offices three years ago - the light in my present office just isn't right - the things seem to need south light and my office window faces west, but mostly it just faces the condo next door Catherine, Maybe you should try sing Joni to your Cactus tree..... I am sure it will bloom! Debi *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:12:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: pup update njc --- colin wrote: > Both litters arrived on saturday. [...] every 2 hrs day and > night, I have been > bottle feeding them. OMG, Colin - just imagining you feeding these wee puppies milk from a bottle... Do they make special little bottles for tiny puppies? Do you have to buy some special kind of formula for them? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: friends --- colin wrote: > maybe when i die, hopefully of old age, I will be > able to bribe a > bunch of people from the JMDL to come and be at my > funeral by promising > to make it a Joni only event! Well not entirely, i > couldn't do without > the NJC!(besides a Joni Only funeral would be too > dull by far) That would make it a SJC funeral, I guess. So what Joni songs would you choose for your funeral? The Circle Game? River? Dog Eat Dog? (because for short, it's DED?) Night Ride Home? (LOL) Have now removed the njc from this post because it's becoming Joni, I think. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:03:30 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing SCJoniGuy writes: 2. The song foreshadows the conflict between the dreams of youth and the realities of suburban America... "Under neon signs A girl was in bloom And a woman was fading In a suburban room" Which is why I think it segues well into the HOSL and Harry's HOuse theme, and belongs with them. So, if you like IFTKOMS as an opener, then, maybe IFTKOMS THOSL (segue) HH Sweet Bird Scarlett "Dont interruptthe sorrow Jungle line Edith Boho Dance S&L anyway, Joni thinks it came out the way it did divinely. who am I - again - to re-think that ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 02:57:53 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 26 On February 26 the following articles were published: 1972: "Joni Mitchell Returns to Toronto" - Toronto Star (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=432 2000: "The New Joni Mitchell" - London Times Magazine (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=449 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #88 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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