From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #87 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 25 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 087 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Buttons the cat, R.I.P. (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] re: I made it!!!!! njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Beef? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: i made it!!!!!!! njc ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC Re: From Walt -- not a letter to you, but at least one *from*me(njc, 6969) [SCJoniGuy@] Joni and Jewel ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Clouds njc ["Kate Bennett" ] friends njc [colin ] Today's Library Links: February 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Wolmann rink ["anon anon" ] Re: Atkins (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] tofu njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Harry's House and Hissing njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: From Walt -- not a letter to you, but at least one *from*me(njc, 6969) ["Donna Binkley" ] eating animals [Jennifer Faulkner ] Re: Re: Raveen Curls [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: [Gertus@aol.com] Re:London calling (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: RE: Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman - and Joni? [Warrenkeith91354@aol.co] Re: London calling (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Beth Nielsen Chapman NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Miss America - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: eating animals njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Buttons the cat, R.I.P. (NJC) ["patrick leader" ] Re: eating animals njc [Catgirl ] Re: Joni Mitchell and Jewel ["mackoliver" ] Geffen songs [Catgirl ] Elvis Costello quotes from 2002, njc [] Re: raven or raveen? [] Today I wish I was... (njc) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Today's Library Links: February 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:19:39 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Buttons the cat, R.I.P. (NJC) Thankyou so much for the messages of support. It is amazing to me how pets worm their way into your affections so deeply even though, from a detached standpoint, it's rather illogical. Wouldn't be without 'em though. Buttons the car? OMG, I really didn't notice that. Darkly amusing given that cars are another passion of mine. Right. I'm off to raise a glass in Buttons' direction. - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:34:35 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: re: I made it!!!!! njc Oh Wally! I'm a little late but congratulations to you! I think being accepted is an extraordinary accomplishment!!! Please know how happy I am to hear this news and thank you for sharing it with us!!!!! Love, Sherelle Wally wrote: after an endless series of exams and colloquia, i've finally been accepted as a qualified student for a graduate program in psychology at the museo social argentino in conjunction with the musee social de paris. not bad considering i have only a high school diploma. _________________________________________________________________ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:45:07 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: njc That's okay. All of us had a heck of a time trying to remember that when we first learned about it. Heck, I think I was even here before we started it! I forget how the njc tag came to be...any takers to answer that question? Anyway Jono, it's something that takes a little getting used to but it has been very helpful to those who want all things Joni-only. Take care! Sherelle Jono wrote: All, I wish someone would have told me about "njc" and "sjc" sooner. I was wondering what the hell they meant. Sometimes us newbies take a while to catch on. jono _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:45:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Beef? njc >About population controls: How about a one child policy in the US and Western Europe, and a two child policy other places where population densities are not as critical such as Canada and Australia. I mean it seems to work for the Chinese (when they can enforce it) .< To me, population control is a sinister thing... & the chinese are the worst to point to as having a successful program...they have a terrible human rights reputation... To me its about something bigger- its about human greed & corporate pathology & lack of true spiritual values in our culture... To me only a global (starts with individual) spiritual (not religious) awakening to living in balance with the earth & our resources is going to turn things around... Ps I have one child... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:48:46 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: i made it!!!!!!! njc Wally congratulations! I always thought you had an advanced degree you are so bright!... How wonderful you can bypass all those years & enter the program where you are obviously suited to be... What an ordeal! You deserve a looooooooong nap! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:57:37 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: From Walt -- not a letter to you, but at least one *from*me(njc, 6969) Walt, if you haven't sent the letter yet, you may want to correct the spelling of your Governor's surname. There's no "T" in Schwarzenegger. Just a suggestive criticism...I hate it when my last name is misspelled. Besides that, I thought it was a great letter. Bob NP: Little Feat, "Easy To Slip", Greenville, SC 4/13/02 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:06:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni and Jewel Well we are in the age of the manufactured star...not that jewel doesn't have some talent but it's a bit pop fluffy in content & delivery if you ask me...which certainly appeals to some folks...then there are people like patty griffin who is an amazing singer & songwriter & good guitar player... Yet she never got the support that jewel got... It's a bass ackward world... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:09:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Clouds njc Cul>I basically came back to help remove the greatest threat to Homeland Security the US has ever confronted : BushCo.< Amen! Welcome back! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:13:14 +0000 From: colin Subject: friends njc re a recnet post of mine and my talk of a funeral for me with no attendees. I made it sound as if I am sadder than I really am! I am blessed with more than a handful of excellent friends of many years standing-20 - 25 years standing. Trouble is, they are older than me, the youngest being 12 years my senior and the oldest being old enough to be my parent. I need more than one hand to count the people who are close friends but many more hands to count their ages! Aprt from John, I can count 5 of them-people who have stuck by me no matter how I was doing, no matter how ill I have been.I have been very lucky. But it does trouble me that they are all so much older in years. For some reason, I have never been good at cultivating peer relationships. Possibly because such people don't have the wherewithal to understand/accept someone with an illness that has very obvious effects at times. Could be a cultural thing in UK-people with mental health problems are generally cast out and feared. Hence the majority of people in my life-my dog show/breeding people for example-don't know about that part of me. Only in an effort to connect with people in a real sense am i upfront about being Bi Polar. I am fairly sure that were I living in the uSA this fact would not be such a hindrance.The Americans I have met, and I have known loads over the years, seem much more accpeting of such things. But them most i have met were from California.... As for extending the hand of friendship-well i doubt I will stop that tho hope to develop a more adult response to having it bitten or ignored! so maybe when i die, hopefully of old age, I will be able to bribe a bunch of people from the JMDL to come and be at my funeral by promising to make it a Joni only event! Well not entirely, i couldn't do without the NJC!(besides a Joni Only funeral would be too dull by far) At least they would know the words to the songs even if they can't quite recall the name of the person whose funeral they are attending..... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:13:08 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 24 On February 24 the following articles were published: 1977: "Furry Lewis is Furious at Joni" - Rolling Stone (News Item) http://jmdlcom.nj-web-0401.uplinkearth.com/articles/view.cfm?id=107 1991: "Joni Mitchell" - Los Angeles Times (Interview) http://jmdlcom.nj-web-0401.uplinkearth.com/articles/view.cfm?id=162 2002: "2002 Lifetime Achievement Award Recipient - Joni Mitchell" - Grammy Magazine (Appreciation) http://jmdlcom.nj-web-0401.uplinkearth.com/articles/view.cfm?id=750 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:30:07 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Wolmann rink I was watching the news recently and they had a story about people skating at wolmann rink in Manhattan.they showed ice skaters there...I don't remember the point of the story,but guess what song came instantly to my brain? _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:34:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Atkins (njc) I agree with those who support the atkins diet, I have seen the results in several of my family members who lowered dangerous cholesterol & lost weight... I think it is silly to criticize the diet if you haven't even tried it! Unless you are a vegetarian... The only warning I would give to those eating meat is that you need to find a source for meats that is organic as there is such terrible stuff (antibiotics, hormones, not to mention other things) going into these animals (then there are the cruel ways of raising animals for slaughter) that could be a lot worse for you than high cholsesterol in the long run... I have lived most of my adult life eating as organic & natural as possible, years as a vegetarian, now I eat meats cuz I can tell I need the protein...but not everyday ... However, I do avoid sugar on an everyday basis (which is so insidious it is in so many things) but it is always okay for birthday cakes & special occasions! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:38:52 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: tofu njc >Uh hum, I think about the brutality involved with slaughtering and eating animals. Marianne< Tofu is yummy, I ate it for years & am inspired to again (the getting rid of water part is important!)... I agree with the cruelty involving animals...however, have you ever watched 'the secret life of plants'? You might never eat another vegetable! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:42:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Harry's House and Hissing njc Bob>The line that always stuck out to me is the one about the room full of Chippendale furniture that nobody sits in - reminds me of my Uncle Bill's house, where there was a "purple room" that none of us kids were allowed in, with special furniture, artifacts and such.< Lol, this reminds me of our so called 'living room' where the kids were rarely allowed... In my obnoxious teenaged years I'd ask "well how come its called the living room then?" However, we did have a nicely furnished basement to mess up however we liked... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:58:57 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: From Walt -- not a letter to you, but at least one *from*me(njc, 6969) You go Walt! I hope you are sending this. I wish it could be published for all to see. db >>> 2/24/2004 1:13:41 PM >>> Better Living Through... Disgruntled Letter-Writing (From the Better Living series, )2004 by Walter Breen) An Open Letter to Gov. Arnold Shwartzenegger Tuesday, February 24, 2004 San Francisco, CA Dear Gov. Schwartzenegger: I've never written a letter to a governor before, although heaven knows I've composed them in my head. But the appearance of two stories on the front page of yesterday's San Francisco Chronicle has led me to write this letter. The concepts I'm going to talk about are basic, and given your well-documented difficulty with English, and my background in ESL (I beg you, Governor, find time in your busy schedule to take some evening classes!), I'll try to keep the language simple as well. The two headlines in question are: Governor Fears Unrest Unless Same-Sex marriages Are Halted and President of Foreign Origin?/Schwartzenegger favors change to Constitution Wow, Governor! Two stories featuring you on the front page of a more-or-less major newspaper in one day! The first story quotes you as having said "All of a sudden, we see riots, we see protests, we see people clashing. The next thing we know, there is injured or there is dead people. We don't want it to get to that extent." You said this on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday morning. First of all, since I promised myself I wouldn't, I won't comment on any grammatical mistakes, as hard as it is for me as a retired teacher of English. So I'll get straight to the facts: As Hallye Jordan, spokesperson for State Attorney General Lockyer said when she heard of your comments on "Meet the Press", What riots? What protests? What people clashing? True, on Friday, some 25 people were arrested for blocking the door of the county clerk's office, but that was peaceful (if annoying). The only people probably trying to foment violence are that "Reverend" Jim Phelps guy, the one who goes to prominent gay funerals, such as Matthew Shepard's in Wyoming some time back, and has his klan of buddies (and their children!!) hold up signs saying "God Hates Faggots", and the like. If you're worried about violence, ask him and his friends to leave! What I've seen on the news is happy, smiling people getting married and therefore suddenly gaining a whole bunch of civil rights previously denied them. You see, there is a difference between a civil marriage and a religious marriage. A religious marriage gives you recognition of your union within your chosen church; a civil marriage gives you recognition under the law, so that you can get all sorts of tax breaks, and so you can't be prevented from visiting your beloved in the hospital, and so that you can adopt children as a couple so that if one of you dies, the kids can't be taken away from the other, among many, many other rights. Some people don't think gay people should have any of these rights. Well, it's a free country, as people in the United States have a habit of saying (without really thinking about what it means). However, some people want to keep gay people from getting married, even in the civic sense, anywhere in the country. Some people want to pass a law (charmingly called the Defense of Marriage Act -- these people aren't defending marriage, they're trying to keep other people from getting married!) or even an amendment to the constitution (!!! - -- Maybe Maria can explain how unusual amendments are, and how hard they are to pass, now that she has stepped down as a reporter and can devote herself full-time to helping you be Governor), both the proposed law and the proposed amendment basically saying that only one man and one woman can get married, and in case any place in the country decides it's time to give a sizable portion of the country's population full civil-marriage rights, that the other states can ignore their marriage. Wow! Pre-emptive law! ("Pre-emptive" means before the fact; for example, a pre-emptive strike would be dropping bombs on some place with people in it because some of those people might drop bombs on you, if they have bombs, at some unspecified time in the future.) This may seem like a sudden shift in topics, Governor, but did you know that February is Black History Month? I bet you get cable TV down there in L.A., and I also bet you get several PBS channels. Well, in February each year, they show lots and lots of shows about how black people were treated in the history of the United States (and actually, for quite a few years before the U.S. even existed). When those black people who were slaves were freed (by the Emancipation Proclamation, by President Lincoln, on 1/1/1863... perhaps, again, Maria can help you with the details), some of the white people, particularly but by no means exclusively in the South, weren't thrilled with the idea of black people being citizens, and therefore having the right to vote, and getting the same public education as white people, among other things. Some of the white people in some states came up with some pretty creative ways to keep black people from voting, or from going to their children's public schools. Things started getting tense in the 1950's and '60's, when various presidents started telling the people in those states that enough was enough, and that by federal law that had to stop jerking black people around. Some nasty stuff happened -- people were terrorized, some were killed. But in the long run, common sense prevailed, and now it's even considered in bad taste to tell racist jokes in public! (Although I bet you've heard some great ones on the sets of movies you've made -- you probably already know this, but if you remember any of those jokes, keep them to yourself!! Maria will back me up on this one.) Do you see why I brought up Black History Month, Governor? It's not (I can't emphasize this enough) because gay people have had a necessarily parallel history with black people in this country. Most obviously, it's hard to "pass" (which means to get away with pretending you're a member of a majority group) if you have brown or black skin; it's a lot easier to "pass" if you're gay, and that's what most gay people did until quite recently. In any case, we've never, for example, been denied the right to vote. But still, we don't have a lot of the same rights as other people, including the civil rights entailed with getting married. If some people don't want gay people to get married in church, fine, let those people, gay and straight, fight that issue out in their respective churches. But to pre-emptively deny any segment of the population basic civil rights is wrong. If it is law (such as Proposition 22 here in California, of the Defense of Marriage Act), it is bad law, and sooner or later it will be abolished. How would you rather be remembered in history, as a governor who helped to end pointless discrimination against a sizable minority group in your state, or as one who upheld that discrimination? That's pretty much up to you - -- I'm not naive, I know politics are involved here, and the recently elected Mayor of San Francisco is not hurting his chances of re-election by letting gay people get married here, but by coincidence, it's also the right thing to do. So please, think about it. And finally, with respect to the second front-page story, and changing the Constitution so that people not born in the U.S., such as yourself, can be elected President: As I mentioned above, it's hard to add an amendment to the Constitution. But clearly, you like the idea of the law being changed to give you (here we come full circle!) a new civil right -- in this case, the right to run for President. You already have most civil rights of a citizen of the U.S., since you are one. Imagine how you'd feel if you lacked a lot of rights! One more word about running for President: I hope for Maria and the children's sake, you opt out on that one. If you thought the press was harsh on your treatment of women and your positive thoughts on Hitler while you were running for Governor of California, it'll be a lot worse if you run for President. And to come full circle one more time, have Maria "brief" you on Hitler's record concerning the civil rights (including, ultimately, the right to live) of Jews, Gypsies and gays. More food for thought, perhaps. Best wishes to you and your family, Walter J. Breen, Jr. This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:06:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: From Walt -- not a letter to you, but at least one *from* me(njc, 6969) >Better Living Through... Disgruntled Letter-Writing (From the Better Living series, )2004 by Walter Breen)< That is a great letter walt, thanks for sharing it with all of us... Dubya & ahnold...geesh...i am so embarrassed to be from the usa & california whenever these 2 guys open their mouths... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:39:21 -0500 From: cul Subject: Re: Clouds njc Kate Bennett wrote: >Cul>I basically came back to help remove the greatest threat to Homeland >Security the US has ever confronted : BushCo.< > >Amen! Welcome back! > >Kate > > > > Thanks, Kate...its very weird to be in Florida after more than 30 years in Canada. the last half on the west coast. I'm taking some remedial night classes where they give me an electric shock if I say "eh?" and a slice of orange if I say "y'all". It seems to be working. They got all confused one time though when I asked "Y'all like 'y'all' better than 'eh?' eh?" The smell of burnt orange filled the room and we all had to go outside for a smoke until it cleared. :) cul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: eating animals Hey guys, I'm glad you said what you said because there's something I wanted to let people know about and thought about putting it on the JMDL but wasn't sure if it's okay. I recently got an email from a friend about Downers. These are sick animals slaughtered for meat. They are usually too sick to even stand up and are dragged with chains or pushed by a forklift to slaughter. Often they are left lying on the ground waiting for slaughter without any means of getting food or water. I think it's inhumane, and I think some of you will, too. You can go to www.nodowners.org to learn more about it. Also, I have information I will be very glad to send you if you give me an address. I have a postcard you can sign to help support a petition to ban the slaughter of downed animals. This isn't just an issue of being humane. This is also an issue of what we eat, if we choose to eat animals. Thanks for listening, guys. Jennifer Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:19:52 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Raveen Curls Hi guy, I remeber the lyrics on my original vinyl being " raven curls " but before I made the post I checked the CD just to be sure - my copy from the CD also says " raven curls." I guess you're right we will have to go directly to the source and ask Joan to " straighten " the whole mess out ! Later... Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:44:03 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: In a message dated 24/02/2004 19:41:23 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:05:30 +0000 > From: Garret > Subject: re: London calling (NJC) > > Well i dont really know you Kerry, but im in London and would be more than > interested in a London JMDL get together; it's been far too long since i saw > martin, azeem, and les. Maybe jacky would join in too? And Chris? And dr. > strings? > And of course, anyone else that i dont know/forgot to mention! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:45:39 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:London calling (NJC) In a message dated 24/02/2004 19:41:23 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:05:30 +0000 > From: Garret > Subject: re: London calling (NJC) > > Well i dont really know you Kerry, but im in London and would be more than > interested in a London JMDL get together; it's been far too long since i saw > martin, azeem, and les. Maybe jacky would join in too? And Chris? And dr. > strings? > And of course, anyone else that i dont know/forgot to mention! > Yes please. Count me in. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:55:10 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Maria Muldaur, Wendy Waldman - and Joni? Hi Mags ! I believe that husband and wife jazz group you asked about is Tuck and Patti... I have a few of their albums and have seen them in concert. later... Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:52:08 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: London calling (NJC) In a message dated 24/02/2004 13:20:48 GMT Standard Time, garret@hatstand.org writes: << Well i dont really know you Kerry, but im in London and would be more than interested in a London JMDL get together; it's been far too long since i saw martin, azeem, and les. Maybe jacky would join in too? And Chris? And dr. strings? And of course, anyone else that i dont know/forgot to mention! >> Include me in! Yeah, it's been too too long, Garret. Could we lure Lucy and Colin to London? And where's the lovely Lieve?? What dates will you be here, Kerry? We can look out for gigs to go to too... Azeem in London NP: McKay - Thinking of You (anyone else have this rather fine self-titled album? Great voice) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:51:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Beth Nielsen Chapman NJC --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Jerry, still reeling from seeing Cyndi Lauper and > her At Last tour last > night from the 12th row! > Cyndi's coming to Toronto - her opening act is Martha Wainwright. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:10:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Miss America - NJC --- robin mortlock wrote: > Does anyone know of a late eighties album called > Miss America by a > certain Mary Margaret O'Hara. > > This, i believe, is her only album although someone > said to me recently > that she has done a soundtrack to a movie in the > last months. > > Does anyone know this amazing album and if there are > any secret > recordings by MMO. > Well, by golly, Robin - so glad you asked. I love MM O'Hara. She is goofy and divine at the same time. She did indeed come out with a second CD, which is a soundtrack to a film called "Apartment Hunting." This CD came out in 2001 and I have a copy. I got it from amazon.ca if I'm not mistaken. It is, IMO, not as good as "Miss America" because it has what I think of as a lot of filler - nonetheless, I'd say it's worth buying. As well, she also does vocals with a Canadian band called The Henrys. How do you describe The Henrys' music? Probably sort of jazzy and just a bit nuts, the way MM O'H's singing is. They have four or five CDs and I'm pretty sure she sings on all of them (if not all, then most.) Their website is here: http://www.thehenrys.ca/ and you can buy thier CDs here: http://www.maplemusic.com/artists/the/disc.asp In yet another case of weird synchronicity, I was thinking about MM O'H's song "You will be loved again" (also recorded by the Cowboy Junkies) and wanted to find the lyrics, so I did a search and that's how I found The Henrys. It also turns out one of their CDs has a version of "Good-bye, Porkpie Hat" on it, and after I got it, I sent a copy of that song to Mr Muller for another covers collection (OK, it's Mingus, not Joni, but good enough!) And I was corresponding by e-mail for a while with The Henrys' guitarist (and other stringed-instrumentist) Don Rooke. If you like MM O'H, I would highly recommend getting The Henrys' stuff as well, because I am quite sure you would also like that, even the ones MM O'H doesn't sing on. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: eating animals njc --- Jennifer Faulkner wrote: > Hey guys, > I'm glad you said what you said because there's > something I wanted to let people know about and > thought about putting it on the JMDL but wasn't sure > if it's okay. > I recently got an email from a friend about Downers. > These are sick animals slaughtered for meat. They > are usually too sick to even stand up and are > dragged with chains or pushed by a forklift to > slaughter. It is sick and inhumane. There was a meat-packing plant closed down here not too long ago for doing this - - apart from being cruelty to animals, there is also a public health risk - how do you know what these animals were ill with? P.S. It's OK to post stuff like that - just be sure you put the njc in the subject line so the Joni-onlies don't get the posts and flame ya! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:06:29 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Buttons the cat, R.I.P. (NJC) ahh chris, i feel for you. my 17 1/2 year old sweetie, dragon (well, she was slightly misnamed) reached her end just two years ago. when a beast has been with you for that long, it's a real loss. and there are many of us who remember ashara's pippin, the jonifest mascot for several years, with fondness. a cyberhug from me patrick "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Chris >Marshall >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:33 AM >To: jmdl list; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Buttons the cat, R.I.P. (NJC) > > >The day I've been dreading arrived today: at nearly 17 years of age, >Buttons - my old black moggy - had to be put to sleep. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: eating animals njc Well, being a vegetarian for over 14 years because of the animla abuse...I rest my case! Debi ps I know all about organics and beleive one should eat them only if they chose to eat animals at all. Catherine McKay wrote: - --- Jennifer Faulkner wrote: > Hey guys, > I'm glad you said what you said because there's > something I wanted to let people know about and > thought about putting it on the JMDL but wasn't sure > if it's okay. > I recently got an email from a friend about Downers. > These are sick animals slaughtered for meat. They > are usually too sick to even stand up and are > dragged with chains or pushed by a forklift to > slaughter. It is sick and inhumane. There was a meat-packing plant closed down here not too long ago for doing this - - apart from being cruelty to animals, there is also a public health risk - how do you know what these animals were ill with? P.S. It's OK to post stuff like that - just be sure you put the njc in the subject line so the Joni-onlies don't get the posts and flame ya! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:19:06 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Jewel Joni and Jewel? Jewel-synthetic Joni. Mellarine Joni. Yuch. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:49:26 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Geffen songs Hello all, I just heard for the first time the three Joni songs off of the Geffen CD. This was the first time I had ever heard these songs and needless to say I had goosebumps. I love her version of *It's all over now Baby Blue* by Dylan. This is a very interesting version. It reminded me of *Smile on your brother* by Gino Velenti(?). Very different from the original. I never listen to the lyrics of *Good friends* befor and now I love the song. I like this version better since I was never a big Michael McDonald fan. I mean I like the song but this version is just so much better (IMHO). *Two Grey Rooms* blew me away as well. I never knew she came up with the song and then found the words later until I came back to the list recently. You know, just when you think you heard everything by Joni, someone finds something, no one has ever heard befor. Keep digging! Debi *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 1:00:01 -0500 From: Subject: Elvis Costello quotes from 2002, njc I found the 2002 music issue of Vanity Fair at work today. On p 202 is the beginning of Elvis Costello's picks to accompany an eclectic music fan through a mytical 24 hour day. He figures that Joao Gilberto is perfect for 5am to smooth out whatever is ailing you enough to be awake at that hour. 8am sees Charlie Mingus 'playing LOUD (sic) in th kitchen, something is boiling." 11am sees a stop at Elton's TUMBLEWEED CONNECTION, 1pm is ELLINGTON AT NEWPORT, and PORGY AND BESS by Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald. A bit o' Bjork backed with Ralph Stanley for 3pm for no apparent reason but then sanity returns at 4pm with RED DIRT GIRL and / or MUSIC FROM BIG PINK. I guess the dinner hours is all about hard livin' at Costello's house cause he spins Hank Sr., Geo Jones, Merle, Muddy, Sonny Boy, and Howlin' Wolf. At 7PM, he figures A HARD DAY'S NIGHT goes down better than either the white album or REVOLVER. He mentions dozens and dozens of other people like Dusty, brother Ray, Lucinda, Prine, Sinatra, & lots about Chet Baker. At 10PM, he wants IN A SILENT WAY, strangely followed by Radiohead & a whole paragraph about the Beach Boys. (?) I guess that eclectic hour is a warmup for the main event at 11PM. Are you still with me? I quote: "11 P.M. The day is almost done. Now there is a choice between words and another form of eloquence. Joni Mitchell's BLUE sounds better than ever at this hour. All of today's confessional writers need to spend a year of pre-midnight hours with this record before sharing their pain with us." All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 1:05:17 -0500 From: Subject: Re: raven or raveen? It's also possible that the art dept had to redo the lettering for the smaller CD format. If they had just reproduced the 12" artwork as 5" CD covers, I don't think any of it would be legible. So, I'll bet a human being duplicated the layout as closely as possible except for a typo here and there. [Simon, I'm sure you have something valuable to add. Please jump in.] All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu > From: > Date: 2004/02/24 Tue PM 07:07:45 EST > To: > Subject: raven or raveen? > > From: Bobsart48@aol.com > Subject: Re: Raveen Curls > > Warren Keith wrote > > Greetings to all... > Just wanted to chime in. I always thought it was " Raveen" after the hair > care product too; the printed lyric on HOSL is " raven " - as in glossy hair > - - > per the dictionary. > > Well, I'll be. It does say "Raven" on the old vinyl. > > On the CD, though it says Raveen, correcting the original typo. > > More evidence that perhaps the 1 in "and John Guerin for showing me the root > of the chord and where 1 was" was also a typo on the vinyl jacket, contrary to > my earlier speculation that '1' was deliberate, and that the 'correction' > on the CD to 'I' was contrary to Joni's initial intent. Ouch. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:49:28 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Today I wish I was... (njc) on a balcony in Nawlins with eleven friends, ten pounds of beads, thirty pounds of crawfish, and 12 tickets to see Beth Patterson play. All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:21:51 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 25 On February 25 the following articles were published: 1972: "Concert Is Given By Joni Mitchell" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=814 2000: "Joni Mitchell's new look at 'Both Sides Now'" - Christian Science Monitor (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=703 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #87 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)