From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #81 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 21 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 081 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC - jackson browne [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: interrupting my sorrow ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Love of my soul: beyond lyrics ["Caio Nehring" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #49 [Catherine McKay ] Re: interrupting my sorrow [Catherine McKay ] Re: Love of my soul: beyond lyrics [Catherine McKay ] Interrupting my sorrow ["Mike Wood" ] Love of my soul: beyond lyrics ["Caio Nehring" ] NJC - jackson browne ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC - jackson browne [Catgirl ] Today's Library Links: February 21 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:44:22 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - jackson browne **In addition, in this issue there is a DIY ("Do-It-Yourself") spotlight on Patti Witten,** Hey Jane - great to hear from you! Patti is actually going to wander down south (she usually stays up in the Northeast wilderness) to play a gig in Atlanta on March 3. Let's all go see her, whaddya say kid? She does some great Joni stuff (not to mention her own material which is OUTSTANDING). Bob NP: the new Ani ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:31:22 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: interrupting my sorrow Wow! You were inspired on this post, Helen. Nice job. I've heard an early, unreleased version where she has slightly more direct words, something like >all those other women> >all those white lines> all the best, Jim Hell in NZ said in part, >soul : an individual's true inner self that in the analytic psychology of C. G. Jung reflects archetypal ideals of conduct> He's now drunk, after drinking 17 glasses of wine. But she's implying the wine is secretly ("clandestine") having the opposite affect to what he intended.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:46:30 -0300 From: "Caio Nehring" Subject: Love of my soul: beyond lyrics This is my first mail to all of you. I've been reading this beatiful flow of emails getting into my outlook for the last week, people interchanging and sharing his inner world full of Joni's music & beauty, compositions,achievements, facts, stories and history...and i must tell you that it has been kinda epiphanic to me. The same way Joni's music and voice has been an epiphany in my life for nearly 35 years...since i wanted to know who was that guy, Joni, who composed Woodstock, one of the tracks i liked best, from my new CSN&Y's Deja Vu LP. Somebody told me it wasn't a He: it was a She! I must tell you as well that i'm brazilian and by that time i did not speak english (!'m still learning...). If i wanted to understand what the lyrics meant, i had to get a good dictionary and work the lyrics out. When Tommy from The Who came out, it took somethin' like a month to understand what it was all about and i had 2 have a lot of help from a american girlfriend, livin' by then in Brazil, in a buddy's home, through one of those Fellowship programs (She would spend 6 months here with his family, to learn Portuguese and he would go to USA, doing the same and learning English.). Lori helped me a lot, explaining to me phrasal verbs, idiomatic expressions and all that... The astonishing thing and what really amazes me now (especially when i read all of you analysing Joni's lyrics and getting the "hidden meanings" beyond then.), is that for years, i listened to Joni's records whithout understanding what she was singing! I was bloody lazy when i was 16 years old and going to school everyday was enough for me. What seduced me on Ladies of the Canyon and Blue (i had to import the LP records and they cost me something like $50 today, a piece!), was her voice, the way she sang, her falsettos, the way of picking her guitar and the presence of Crosby, Stills and James Taylor here and there, my heroes by that time. Her music and where she took me was far more important to my body and ears and soul than 2 understand what she was singin' about. Basically "her sounds" were what seduced me, what put a definitive spell on me. By then i did not know how strong and full of meaning her lyrics (poetry) were. Only in 1976, when i went to live for some time in London, and bought Hejira as a Christmas gift 4 myself, i started ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:50:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #49 --- Michael Sahno wrote: > Hi all, I am new here and it's nice to see this > group > out there discussing the work of the greatest female > songwriter of the 20th century! How 'bout just greatest songwriter? That works for me! Welcome, Michael - stick around for a while. > But wow, bummer that somebody on ebay is profiting > off > Joni's music, particularly unreleased material. Yes, and particularly material that they could get from people here for nothing but the cost of blanks and postage. Da noive of some people, eh? (I'd offer to do this myself but my CD burner software seems to keep messing up lately.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:15:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: interrupting my sorrow --- hell wrote: > > You know, after I sent that email, I realised I > hadn't actually discussed > what it means in the song - very remiss of me! ... and then went on to write a brilliant piece on the meaning of "Don't interrupt the sorrow." Well done, Hell! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:18:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Love of my soul: beyond lyrics --- Caio Nehring wrote: > This is my first mail to all of you. > I've been reading this beatiful flow of emails > getting into my outlook for > the last week, people interchanging and sharing his > inner world full of > Joni's music & beauty, compositions,achievements, > facts, stories and > history...and i must tell you that it has been kinda > epiphanic to me. Welcome, Caio. It's great to have someone from Brazil here - it just goes to show how universal Joni's music and words are. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:39:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Beth Nielsen Chapman - njc Last night I saw Beth Nielsen Chapman at Hugh's Room here in Toronto with a couple of friends. I wasn't all that familiar with her work, but one of her songs had been used as an example in a songwriting seminar I went on back in the fall with one of the same friends I saw her with last night. I was absolutely blown away by this woman. She is an amazingly versatile singer with a beautiful voice (sounds to me, a bit like Jennifer Warnes), who writes lovely music with very touching, very human and very heartfelt lyrics and not a bit of bullshit. She is also an excellent guitarist and piano player... who doesn't read music and "writes" all her songs by recording them as she works them out. Performing with her was her son, Ernest Chapman, who is about 23 or so and looks a lot like her, and a guy by the name of John Raguzzo (I think that's his last name) on wind instruments of all kinds (flutes, piccolos, trumpet and conch shell - who would believe you could get so many tones out of a shell!) She's the one who wrote "This Kiss" that Faith Hill had a big hit with. (She introduced it, while looking at her son, saying, "This is the song that put you through college.") She had also written a song, in collaboration with a Scottish songwriter whose name I don't remember, for the film "Calendar Girls". She said that unfortunately her song didn't end up IN the film, although the music is in it, and it's on the soundtrack CD for the film. She lost her husband to cancer 10 years ago and she herself had breast cancer two years ago. She is such a positive person and very down to earth. She says that every day she wakes up and realizes she has hair and no nausea, is a good day to her. All of her songs are just so full of love and life and touching, without being in any way cloying. She was so energetic. She's 47, but looks at least ten years younger - you certainly wouldn't believe she has a son in his twenties! Hugh's Room is a very nice venue, very intimate. We were only about ten feet from the stage and the audience was really happy to have her there. She talked about how much she liked Canadians (because we're "great clappers") and at one point said, "Don't get me started on George Bush..." (the crowd cheered and clapped at this.) She's working on a new CD where she sings hymns from different religions in various languages, and another new CD and she said we were her guinea pigs for the new stuff. One of the songs was "Ave verum", in Latin, by Mozart and then, following that, she did Stevie Wonder's "Sir Duke". (Just to give you an idea of how versatile she is!) Like Joni, she is a wonderful storyteller - at one point, her son Ernest was standing behind her as she yakked, and he was doing the rabbit-ears thing over her head, and she didn't even notice. She seems to have a bit of a reputation as a person who can sometimes take a LONG time to write a song. There's one she says she started in 1982, when her son was only two, that she just finished a couple of years ago. She joked that it was about how you can get distracted by all the things going on around you and that it was about attention deficit disorder - its title? "Driven to distraction". LOL. And if you're ever in Toronto, check out Hugh's Room. There's always great roots music acts going on there, and if you reserve a table and have dinner, the food is good too, and the people who run the place are amazing. I'm sure Mags can vouch for that. The McGarrigles were there earlier this week and I would have loved to go, but the price was a bit higher than usual (although still a bargain, IMO, but I can't see everyone or go out every night!) and Richie Havens is coming in another month or two - so is Odetta! I'd love to see both of them. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 04:40:17 -0000 From: "Mike Wood" Subject: Interrupting my sorrow I love these threads, and this is like heaven for me - one of my favourite songs from one of the great albums, and ambiguous and revealing new insights after all this time. Just two particular things - I had maybe been too too superficial about the petrified wood process but I just saw it as a statement about the man's view of the "immutable laws of nature" (including"male supremacy") - what was once living is now just coal and we burn it and use it at our leisure and "what are you bothering me with your anima stuff about, woman? - things aren't going to change because you agonise about them, you know!" I had to go back to the cover and read the words again to check the "I've got a head full of quandary and a mighty mighty thirst" lines because in listening to the song hundreds of times I'd always heard those lines as Joni's thoughts, not the man's words. I understand it better that way - she seems to be saying that the quandary is that she really should leave this guy to his delusions and his - er - maleness but on the other hand there is a bottle of wine (Liebfraumilch?) and possibly a good time to be had ... But it looks like I'm wrong if the transcription of the words is correct, because sure enough it's in quotation marks as the guy's words, and now I don't understand what his "head full of quandary" is! Whatever, nobody else does it like Joni. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 02:04:29 -0300 From: "Caio Nehring" Subject: Love of my soul: beyond lyrics Sorry, my youngest son, had to use the internet and sent by mistake the unfinished e-mail... "Only in 1976, when i went to live for some time in London, and bought Hejira as a Christmas gift 4 myself, i started to see the magnitude of Joni's lyrics. I was studying English and had American and English friends helping me to understand her lyrics in English first, and then, to translate then to portuguese, on my mind. A real piece of work, as you can imagine. Anyway, that's the magic of her Music to me: It goes beyond language and as the Universe, it's always expanding and has no limits. How many songwriters and composers'music can we hear throughout 30 years and still feel like it was the first wonderful time? And never get tired of hearing them? Not many. But Joni got it. She just does it. I could hear her music forever." Peace Caio pandora54@ig.com.br NP: Mysterious Traveller, Weather Report ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:53:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC - jackson browne >he is on the cover of the latest (march/april) issue of Performing Songwriter. One of the pictures included in the cover story is of Jackson, Joni and Graham Nash.< It is the most unflattering photos of joni I've ever seen... Too bad they didn't pick a better one... Oh well, it was highlighting jackson not joni... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:19:27 -0800 (PST) From: Catgirl Subject: Re: NJC - jackson browne I used to love Jackson Browne. Then when that whole thing with Darryl Hanna and then Joni came about I hated him. It does seem like he has grown up a bit and maybe not as much of a jerk like he was befor so I could see giving him another chance. Thanks for the heads up on the magazine, I will have to look for it. Debi Jane wrote: I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but for those who care, (and I know I'm not the only one on this list who likes Jackson, and admits it...hey Bob M and Sybil and Darice!), he is on the cover of the latest (march/april) issue of Performing Songwriter. One of the pictures included in the cover story is of Jackson, Joni and Graham Nash. In addition, in this issue there is a DIY ("Do-It-Yourself") spotlight on Patti Witten, whose posts I've seen here. Oh yeah, and a bit about Jonatha Brooke. If you don't subscribe, the magazine is available at Barnes and Noble, as well as other outlets I am sure. Jane __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools *It's all a dream, she has awoke* Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 02:16:47 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 21 On February 21 the following articles were published: 1972: "A Heavy Weekend for..." - Detroit Free Press (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=953 1978: "The Queens of Rock" - US (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=391 1999: "Rocking and Renovating" - Los Angeles Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=909 2001: "Ballad of the Rude Canadian" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=613 2002: "Lifetime achievement Grammy for Joni Mitchell latest in long awards list" - Sympatico NewsExpress (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=939 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #81 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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