From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #77 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 18 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 077 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Startling new version of All I Want ["mike pritchard" ] Re: let's do that again, Bar and grill and Fishin' [Garret ] re: joni on 4 [Garret ] re: the new norah jones - NJC [Garret ] Re: "Raving curls" [Garret ] Re: "Raving curls" [Catherine McKay ] Lyrics (was: Raveen curls) NJC [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: "Raving curls", now "credit card eyes" [Garret ] Joni a composer [anne@sandstrom.com] Maddux signs $24M deal (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: internet radio, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: raving curls [Steve Polifka ] Adopt Joni! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Adopt Joni! [Steve Polifka ] Re: Adopt Joni! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Why not ["jlobello" ] Re: Why not [colin ] Raving Curls [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Adopt Joni! [Steve Polifka ] Re: internet radio, njc ["Norman Pennington" ] njc [Jennifer Faulkner ] Re: Cohen Tribute across the pond (NJC) [Richard Goldman ] Weird Joni listing on EBay ["Dylan Rush" ] RE: Weird Joni listing on EBay ["Richard Flynn" ] FW: Re: Let Them Eat War ["anon anon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:11:06 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Startling new version of All I Want >>Colin Riley is a well-respected contemporary 'classical' composer; Tim Whitehead is a great jazz saxophonist (played with Loose Tubes).<< Hi John - Is Tim Whitehead related to Annie Whitehead, my favourite English female trombonist? mike in barcelona np Gram Parsons - GP/Grievous Angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:28:58 +0000 From: colin Subject: hope njc It is very easy to think the world we live in,and the poeple it is populated by, is going from bad to wrose. Mainly because of what we are fed via the news. It can be hard to see light and growth anywwhere and easy to think evil has the upper hand. Bu tthis morning Mingus made my day and sent me a load of phot's of the San Francisco same sex weddings. What a joy to see! There is light in the world, there is growth in human kind, and God has not abandoned us. Hope, Justice, Truth and Compassion and Love are alive and ligtening up the place. Wow! - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:55:16 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: let's do that again, Bar and grill and Fishin' Joni recited taht poem in some live performances from the early 90's. maybe at other times too. it is interesting to see how a much younger Joni looked at the world! Its kind of funny to hear an older Joni say she has pulled out someting she wrote in school. Does anyone have the poem at hand? I'd love to read it agani; and the Penelope wants to... you know poem!! Im not a trekkie either;-) I had a similar-ish chickening out encounter with Nichelle Nichols. TO this day i regret not going something! I was in one of my favourite shops in Dublin, they had Patti Smith on the sound system (could there have been a surer sign for me to act??), and then i saw Nichelle Nichols. She was looking very classy and stylish and still an attractive woman at 60 or 70 whatever she is now. And i stood there thinking "no, its not her". but i had heard she was in town for a signing session. and then i heard her voice (not necessarily as distinctive as Mulgrew's gravelly voice), so laid back, chilled. It was definitely her. So i left the shop without even smiling at her or acknowledging her. Perhaps thats how she prefers it..... Quoting jlobello : > > I> Did I tell anyone out there that I ran into Kate Mulgrew in a Wal-Mart in > Hood River, Oregon the summer of '97. Now I know this is the wrong discussion > list to be talking about her, but I can't resist. She was wearing a long > course red wig--same color as her hair-- some knit wool top and a ankle > length Indian print "hippie" skirt. I held the door for her going into the > store and thought, "God, that woman looks familiar". Then It dawned on me, so > I ran back to the hobby section to see if I could find a model of the > starship "Voyager" for her to sign, but they had none. I heard her talking to > the store clerk in the camera section and there was no denying it, it was > her. She has a distinctive brogue. By then I was too self conscious (timid, > embarrassed) to complement her on her TV show and just walked off, but she > knew I had blown her cover. In case anyone doesn't know , Kate Mulgrew played > Captain Katherine Janeway in the Star Trek-Voyager series. She's now married > to a lawyer ( who is a wannabee governor) in Ohio. I forget his name. > But.... Don't ever call me a Trekkie!!!! Jonista maybe, but not a trekkie. > > About Joni and fishin'. She wrote this poem in high school about the rat-race > in Hollywood. It shows that she does have some knowledge of the types of fish > present in her part of Canada. "Pickeral" is the Canadian term for Walleye. > The "Fish Bowl". > > >"I wrote a poem in, I guess it was Grade 10, about the age of 16, about > Hollywood, called, 'The Fish Bowl,"' she said, and then recites: > > "The fish bowl is a world reversed where fishermen with hooks that dangle > from the bottom up reel down their catch without a fight on gilded bait. > Pike, pickerel, bass, the common fish, ogle through distorting glass, see > only glitter, glamour, gaiety, fog up the bowl with lusty breath, lunge > towards the bait and miss and weep for fortune lost. Envy the goldfish? Why? > His bubbles break 'round the rim while silly fishes faint for him and say, > 'Oh, look there, he winked his eye at me!"' > > She laughed, and continued, "So, with this young insight, it was really > ironic that I would enter into this world."< > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:59:29 +0000 From: Garret Subject: [none] OOOhh, now this is very exciting Paul!!! You've got me all hopeful now!! Keep us posted if you hear anything else! I just love Rufus W; even though he wouldn't be singing his own songs this would be great. and of course, Leonard Cohen is a great songwriter. I also like NIck Cave. Wonder if Linda and Teddy would be joined by Richard. Does that ever happen? is this just fantasy? they should invite La Mitchell to say a few words or sing! GARRET From: "Paul Castle" > putting together a Leonard Cohen tribute concert > in London, featuring Nick Cave, Linda Thompson > and son, Teddy Thompson, and the McGarrigles - > Rufus (Wainwright), Martha, Kate, and Anna . Can't find any more details yet but I read it may evolve into a short UK tour. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:04:58 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: joni on 4 This must have been the only time in the last six months that i wasnt listening to radio four!!! (dont have a tv and london radio is generally somwhere between tripe and pants!) Lord. Did you hear whats his name, Nick Hornby on desert island discs a few months ago? he played Night Ride Home which was a glorious joni moment for me as i gloated to my partner who **of course** hates Hornby as well as Joni, lol. Interestingly, none of the songs from his book 30 Songs were included. Glad taht you're posting again Colin (and a very very late thanks for the birthday wishes!!) GARRET Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:58:09 +0000 From: colin Subject: joni on 4 Sunday evening Radio 4: prgram about natural good food. Piece about alice walters, owns a 'french' restaurant in LA, can't recall name, 'child of the 60's'. Anyway, they played California hislt talking about this woman and her food/restaurant. - - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:12:00 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: the new norah jones - NJC ooh, i didnt realise Dolly was on there ( i admit it, i like Dolly almost as much as i like Cher... who, btw, is playing wembly in May. how sweet of her to come to london to play for me:-) and a Tome Waits cover (adds this album to ever expanding list!) Norah gets a lot of hype, so i have generally avoided her. But everything ive heard has been *good*! but put dolly into the mix (a dolly mixture, lol; yes, i must be delirous from lack of sleep) and i got to get me hands on it:-) Isn't her father Ravi Shankar? yes, i think it is. anyway, that's my seamless segue into mentioning that i went to Ravi Shankar's restaurant near Euston last week. It was the first time i've ever had indian food. WHAT WAS I MISSING???? It was soooo good. Must admit, i didnt even know that different regions in India have different foods. This was a south indian restaurant so was vegetarian. It was amazing. I got Mysore Thandi (or something like that). Ok enough mindless rambling. GARRET Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:45:36 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: the new norah jones - NJC Bob said: <> i do! i do! my birthday was full to the brim with new music, including this one. have just spun the thing twice (so much music, so little time!), but i really like it so far. i don't hear a radio hit in the bunch (well, unless it's country radio! - Dolly Parton guests on "Creepin' In," and they sound darn good together!), but i don't know that Norah has to have a hit for a while - i bet she had enough folks hooked with the last disc to be able to slide without a single for a while.... bob - she does a tom waits cover on this one - "the long way home" - and a townes van zandt cover. and for you duke ellington fans, she uses parts of "melancholia" and adds lyrics to it. pretty yummy. cindy, firmly in the midst of yet another midlife crisis. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:16:00 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: "Raving curls" What about this line: "Beauty parlor blondes with credit card eyes" Credit card eyes? Are they suspicious of something or have they used their credit cards to pay for new eyes? (if you kow what i mean:-) GARRET (aiming to fill a whole digest on his own:-) np- nothing unfortunately; discman out of batteries. the cd in it though is a live bootleg of jack Johnson that i got lend of. Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:35:57 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: "Raving curls" Oh yeah this is one of my favourite lyrics! It evokes so many things! The time the stereotypes - powerful and of course like always with Joni it's just so colourful! :) NP: Crayon Angels - Judee Sill (omg still wow) * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 06:55:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Raving curls" --- Garret wrote: > What about this line: > "Beauty parlor blondes with credit card eyes" > > Credit card eyes? Are they suspicious of something > or have they used their > credit cards to pay for new eyes? (if you kow what i > mean:-) You know how, in cartoons, characters get dollar signs in their eyes when they think about getting their paws on some money? I imagine these characters' eyes acquire this credit cards gleam as they're out lusting for something "chic and fancy to buy." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:05:47 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Lyrics (was: Raveen curls) NJC I could vouch for the fact that 'in the day' artists weren't consulted as to the subtleties of their ACTUAL lyrics to songs (one way around this was taken by James Taylor on the first Apple album, where his lyrics were all written out longhand on the liner notes - no doubt here at all) In my own case, having played on Road Apples' 1975 #36 hit 'Let's live Together' (now on Barry Scott's 'Lost 45's Vol 2!) we just signed away 50% of the publishing rights, with a gun to our heads, and pretty soon thereafter the sheet music showed up at the music store, yep, with bad lyrics. A neat story about this song came to me recently. One of the band received an email from a man who remembered the song being played alot around the house by his PARENTS and he was searching the web for a copy of the record (which was a 45 only). Some woman three states away wrote to him saying she had the record, and he could buy it from her. They contrived to meet up and seal the deal. They kept seeing one another thereafter, and in another year they got married! And they said they had the 45 framed on their livingroom wall.. Chucke On Tuesday, February 17, 2004, at 09:11 PM, Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Dylan, > > I'm not qualified to answer this question but here goes. Raveen is a > brand name of a line of hair care products. This one isn't in the > JMDL Glossary yet but it seems to be a "curl relaxer" and/or a > conditioner. I don't know if they also made a curl enhancer, or if > Joni mis-applied the word (unlikely!), or it was Mitchell-esque droll > irony to call straight hair "Raveen curls". In the context of the > song, it is about a preocupation with fleeting and youthful > appearance. > > > Can someone add to this? > > Dylan, the most important thing to get from this is that the printed > lyrics for "Harry's House" (on the LP, on the CD, on the songbook) are > wrong. I don't know why the copy-written words were so often wrong. > I think someone here said that in the old days, artists turned over > the master tapes and someone transcribed the words to be > copy-written. That they were wrong about "raven curls" is > undeniable. That they were reproduced wrong again in THE COMPLETE > POEMS AND LYRICS is another shame. > > Speaking of that book, the first song lyrics in that book have at > least 2 errors. Check it out. Joni's talking about leaves as if they > had feelings. The book says: > > "When the leaves fell on the ground > > Boy winds came around, (and) pushed them face down in the snow." > > Almost everyone thinks she sang and meant "bully" as in "Bully winds > came around and pushed them face down in the snow". Later, she talks > about stoking the fire. The book says, > > "Apply the fire with kindling now." > > Isn't it more likely that she sang the contraction for "I will"? > > "I'll ply the fire with kindling now," means she's bartering some > sticks in exchange for warmth. I didn't discover these for myself. I > found them here on the JMDL, just as you have, today. > > All the best, > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > > >There's a particular line in "Harry's House": "Skinny black models > with > raving curls". I've always thought this was "raven" as in black, curly > hair, > but recently discovered it was "raving". What do you think Joni meant > by > this?> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > >  To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ > >  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:20:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Raving curls", now "credit card eyes" **You know how, in cartoons, characters get dollar signs in their eyes when they think about getting their paws on some money? I imagine these characters' eyes acquire this credit cards gleam as they're out lusting for something "chic and fancy to buy."** True, and what's significant about the line (and yet another example of Joni's brilliance as a writer is that it's NOT dollar signs in the eyes but rather CREDIT CARDS, meaning that they can't afford the chic and fancy stuff they want but rather have to put it on credit. It's all faux. Like the blond hair; not real but rather from a bottle at the beauty parlor. As fake as Harry's relationship with his wife, his job, his life. Bob NP: Ani, "bubble" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:25:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Clone in Magnum, PI **We now need to find out who did the cover of You turn me on, and make sure Bob Mueller gets it on one of the many hundreds of Joni covers CD's that he has treed.** Thanks as always for looking out for me Debi...I'm imagining that it's one I've already got, there were a couple that came out in the 70's that basically mimicked Joni's version. Who knows, time will tell! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:34:35 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: internet radio, njc Now that I've got adsl at home, can anybody please recommend some cool radio stations that are on line? Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:24:00 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: "Raving curls", now "credit card eyes" Oh, now i see:-) I love to hear how othes see these things; it always expands my enjoyment of the songs. Im gonna go and listen to it again! and *that* other question: is harry a real person? GARRET Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: > **You know how, in cartoons, characters get dollar signs > in their eyes when they think about getting their paws > on some money? I imagine these characters' eyes > acquire this credit cards gleam as they're out lusting > for something "chic and fancy to buy."** > > True, and what's significant about the line (and yet another example of > Joni's brilliance as a writer is that it's NOT dollar signs in the eyes but > rather > CREDIT CARDS, meaning that they can't afford the chic and fancy stuff they > want but rather have to put it on credit. It's all faux. Like the blond hair; > not > real but rather from a bottle at the beauty parlor. As fake as Harry's > relationship with his wife, his job, his life. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "bubble" > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:15:06 -0500 (EST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Joni a composer I think you really hit the nail on the head with this, Bob. I'd agree that Joni is much more a composer than a songwriter. From the beginning, she seems to have thought of music in "layers." And yet, her most covered songs seem to be the ones where it's easy to peel the melody away from the harmonic structure she created. I think that has more to do with the listening public than Joni herself though. I know I've said this before, but I'd still like to hear the instrumental arrangements of Travelogue without the vocals. (There would probably have to be additional instrumentation for the melodies.) Now, when you consider that the brilliance of her lyrics sits on top of - or is intertwined with - her melodic and harmonic work, well it just reminds me how incredible her work is. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:23:50 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Maddux signs $24M deal (njc) Sorry Vince....Maddux signed with the Cubs completing the circle, going back to the place from whence he came. There was a brief rumour circulating that he was going to sign with the Yankees which would have meant I'd have to root for NY....unthinkable. So as things stand, with Maddux at the helm, I will be rooting for the Cubs next year. Get ready for a great baseball season. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:07:52 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: internet radio, njc Laurent, I mostly listen to AOL radio, so that won't do you much good - I don't think you can get it unless you're on AOL. I also like to listen to KCRW, they have some great archived audio and in-studio video as well. My advice would be to just go exploring - happy hunting! Bob NP: Kansas, "The Wall" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:25:25 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: raving curls Not all horny men drool over raving curls... :-P Steve At 11:19 PM 2/17/2004 EST, you wrote: >jonu meant, in my opinion, those long, lush, lovely, big , beautiful curls >that will make a straighted haired woman, a lesbian, and a horny man drool. >please no offense intended. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:42:27 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Adopt Joni! It's a jmdler's dream come true! (And also the worst pic of her I'ver ever seen...) ;~) http://www.utopiarescue.com/wanted/jone-itchel.html Bob NP: Kansas, "Magnum Opus" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:56:26 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Adopt Joni! Gives new meaning to the song Dog Eat Dog... Steve At 09:42 AM 2/18/2004 -0500, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >It's a jmdler's dream come true! (And also the worst pic of >her I'ver ever seen...) ;~) > >http://www.utopiarescue.com/wanted/jone-itchel.html > >Bob > >NP: Kansas, "Magnum Opus" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:05:16 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Adopt Joni! True...maybe this was one of the 'wild and gentle dogs' kenneled in her...;~) Bob NP: Rickie Lee, "Howard" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:16:18 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Why not Why doesn't someone in the list just ask her what she meant? Or is that easier said than done? Jono ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:31:21 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Why not jlobello wrote: >Why doesn't someone in the list just ask her what she meant? Or is that easier >said than done? >Jono > > > cos half the time she doesn't know what she meant-it just sounded good. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:40:45 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Raving Curls > **You know how, in cartoons, characters get dollar signs > in their eyes when they think about getting their paws > on some money? I imagine these characters' eyes > acquire this credit cards gleam as they're out lusting > for something "chic and fancy to buy."** > > True, and what's significant about the line (and yet another example of > Joni's brilliance as a writer is that it's NOT dollar signs in the eyes but > rather > CREDIT CARDS, meaning that they can't afford the chic and fancy stuff they > want but rather have to put it on credit. It's all faux. Like the blond hair; > not > real but rather from a bottle at the beauty parlor. As fake as Harry's > relationship with his wife, his job, his life. And, might I add to Bob's usual right on observations, credit card use then is much different than it is now. At that time, it was not an every day, every minute occurrence. Those who used credit cards were suspect of not being able to pay for their purchase and so would be borrowing from the bank to do so, or have a Sugar Daddy's card who let them shop for selling themselves. It's pure Joni lyrically at her peak. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:49:21 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Adopt Joni! She's learning, it's peaceful with a good dog and some trees... Now I get it. The trees are for the dog! Arf! Steve At 10:05 AM 2/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >True...maybe this was one of the 'wild and gentle dogs' >kenneled in her...;~) > >Bob > >NP: Rickie Lee, "Howard" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:21:06 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: internet radio, njc Hello Laurent! Try http://www.kfog.com/...out of San Francisco. KFOG is especially good on Sunday mornings from 0600 - 1100 PST. The show on Sunday mornings is called "Accoustic Sunrise" and it's a fabulous way to begin a Sunday morning! Best Regards, bp - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurent Olszer" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 6:34 AM Subject: internet radio, njc > Now that I've got adsl at home, can anybody please recommend some cool radio > stations that are on line? > > Thanks > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: njc Hey everybody, I just got back from New Orleans! The first time I had ever been. They were doing parades and throwing beads and doubloons. There was a dog parade which I didn't get to see, but I got to pet a dog dyed blue and a dog dyed purple, green, and yellow, a puli, a borzoi, a bloodhound, a pug, and some mutts. My dad's name is William Faulkner, and I went to the old apartment of William Faulkner, the author, and bought a book from 1966 which had drawings of old New Orleans from the 1800's. I went to the pharmacy museum and saw all kinds of cool stuff (the website is www.pharmacymuseum.org). I went to a voodoo shop. I ate crawfish etoufee and jambalaya. All in all, it was AWESOME! Jen Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:02:16 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Cohen Tribute across the pond (NJC) Hi Paul, I'm guessing you read that on Rufus Wainwright's official messageboard. It's not for certain a 'tour' yet, but so far, only one-night at the Royal Festival Hall, May 24. At least they're only selling tickets for one night, but it's supposed to be 2 nights there. And a few days before that, in Brighton, though no specifics have emerged yet. Tickets are already on sale for the Royal Festival Hall. And...it may become a short UK tour... http://www.rfh.org.uk/main/events/106673.html?section=contemporary&file=index&month=3&week=13 Hal produced the same exact tribute to Leonard Cohen last June in Brookyn's Prospect Park, which I read was an amazing evening. Here is the link to the messageboard thread from that event, it sounds like it will be the same lineup. http://bb.dreamworksrecords.com/rufuswainwright/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=48539&Forum=All_Forums&Words=Leonard%20Cohen&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=4&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=48539&Search=true#Post48539 Richard - --------- >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:51:10 -0000 >From: "Paul Castle" >Subject: Cohen Tribute across the pond (NJC) > >I've just read that Hal Wilner - music supervisor >for 'Saturday Night Live' and producer of tributes >to Charles Mingus, Nino Rota, Thelonius Monk, >and recently (Jan at UCLA), Randy Newman, is > >> putting together a Leonard Cohen tribute concert >> in London, featuring Nick Cave, Linda Thompson >> and son, Teddy Thompson, and the McGarrigles - >> Rufus (Wainwright), Martha, Kate, and Anna . > >Can't find any more details yet but I read it may >evolve into a short UK tour. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:23:32 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Cohen Tribute across the pond (NJC), now Hal Wilner Subject: RE: Maddux signs $24M deal (njc) Amen to that, brother Victor. Now that we have that game we Americans call "football," let's get on to the Red Sox taking it all!! - -----Original Message----- From: Victor Johnson [mailto:waytoblu@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:24 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Maddux signs $24M deal (njc) Sorry Vince....Maddux signed with the Cubs completing the circle, going back to the place from whence he came. There was a brief rumour circulating that he was going to sign with the Yankees which would have meant I'd have to root for NY....unthinkable. So as things stand, with Maddux at the helm, I will be rooting for the Cubs next year. Get ready for a great baseball season. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:14:13 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: classifying Joni trying to classify joni, to me, is like trying to define love ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:30:31 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Why not --- jlobello wrote: > Why doesn't someone in the list just ask her what > she meant? Or is that easier > said than done? > Jono Because we all know what the response would be: "Never mind what it means to me - what does it mean to YOU?" And oh, by the way, HAPPY BIRTHDAY JONO! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:45:02 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Weird Joni listing on EBay What the hell is this!? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2597408445&category=1595 _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:51:04 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Weird Joni listing on EBay Dylan-- This is a Joan Baez album. Joni does back-up vocals. I think it's now available on CD. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Dylan Rush Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:45 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Weird Joni listing on EBay What the hell is this!? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2597408445&category=1595 _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:55:56 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: FW: Re: Let Them Eat War > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Icnh@hotmail.com > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 5:27 PM > Subject: Let Them Eat War > > > > > > > Let Them Eat War > > Why do the very Americans who have been hurt the most by George W. >Bush's policies still support his presidency? > > by Arlie Hochschild > > September/October 2003 Issue > > > George W. Bush is sinking in the polls, but a few beats on the war >drum could reverse that trend and re-elect him in 2004. Ironically, the >sector of American society now poised to keep him in the White House is the >one which stands to lose the most from virtually all of his policies -- >blue-collar men. A full 49 percent of them -- and 38 percent of >blue-collar women -- told a January 2003 Roper poll they would vote for >Bush in 2004. 1 > In fact, blue-collar workers were more pro-Bush than professionals >and managers among whom only 40% of men and 32% of women, when polled, >favor him; that is, people who reported to Roper such occupations as >painter, furniture mover, waitress, and sewer repairman were more likely to >be for our pro-big business president than people with occupations like >doctor, attorney, CPA or property manager. High-school graduates and >dropouts were more pro-Bush (41%) than people with graduate degrees (36%). >And people with family incomes of $30,000 or less were no more opposed to >Bush than those with incomes of $75,000 or more. 2 > We should think about this. The blue-collar vote is huge. Skilled >and semi-skilled manual jobs are on the decline, of course, but if we count >as blue-collar those workers without a college degree, as Ruy Teixeira and >Joel Rogers do in their book Why the White Working Class Still Matters, >then blue-collar voters represent 55% of all voters. They are, the authors >note, the real swing vote in America. "Their loyalties shift the most from >election to election and in so doing determine the winners in American >politics."3 > This fact has not been lost on Republican strategists who are now >targeting right-leaning blue-collar men, or as they call them, "Nascar >Dads." These are, reporter Liz Clarke of the Washington Post tells us, >"lower or middle-class men who once voted Democratic but who now favor >Republicans."4 Nascar Dads, commentator Bill Decker adds, are likely to be >racing-car fans, live in rural areas, and have voted for Bush in 2000. >Bush is giving special attention to steelworkers, autoworkers, carpenters >and other building-trades workers, according to Richard Dunham and Aaron >Bernstein of Business Week, and finding common cause on such issues as >placing tariffs on imported steel and offering tax breaks on pensions. > We can certainly understand why Bush wants blue-collar voters. But >why would a near majority of blue-collar voters still want Bush? >Millionaires, billionaires for Bush, well, sure; he's their man. But why >pipe fitters and cafeteria workers? Some are drawn to his pro-marriage, >pro-church, pro-gun stands, but could those issues override a voter's >economic self-interest? > Let's consider the situation. Since Bush took office in 2000, the >U.S. has lost 4.9 million jobs, (2.5 million net), the vast majority of >them in manufacturing.5 While this cannot be blamed entirely on Bush, his >bleed-'em-dry approach to the non-Pentagon parts of the government has led >him to do nothing to help blue-collar workers learn new trades, find >affordable housing, or help their children go to college. The loosening of >Occupational Health and Safety Administration regulations has made plants >less safe. Bush's agricultural policies favor agribusiness and have put >many small and medium-sized farms into bankruptcy. His tax cuts are >creating state budget shortfalls, which will hit the public schools >blue-collar children go to, and erode what services they now get. He has >put industrialists in his environmental posts, so that the air and water >will grow dirtier. His administration's disregard for the severe >understaffing of America's nursing homes means worse ca! > re for the elderly parents of the Nascar Dad as they live out their last >days. His invasion of Iraq has sent blue-collar children and relatives to >the front. Indeed, his entire tap-the-hornets'-nest foreign policy has >made the U.S. arguably less secure than it was before he took office. >Indeed, a recent series of polls revealed that most people around the world >believe him to be a greater danger than Osama Bin Laden. Many blue-collar >voters know at least some of this already. So why are so many of them >pro-Bush anyway? > Wondering About the Nascar Dad > Among blue-collar voters, more men than women favor Bush, so we can >ask what's going on with the men. It might seem that their pocketbooks say >one thing, their votes another, but could it be that, by some good fortune, >blue-collar men are actually better off than we imagine? No, that can't be >it. About a fifth of them had household incomes of $30,000 or less; 4 in >10 between $30,000 and $75, 000; and 4 in 10 $75,000 or more. Among the >poorest blue-collar families (with household incomes of $30,000 or less) a >full 44 % were pro-Bush. Perhaps even more strikingly, $75,000-plus Nascar >Dads are more likely to favor Bush than their income-counterparts who hold >professional and managerial jobs. > Even if poor blue-collar men were pro-Bush in general, we might at >least assume that they would oppose Bush's massive program of tax cuts if >they thought it favored the rich? If we did, then we'd be wrong again. >"Do you think this tax plan benefits mainly the rich or benefits everyone?" >Roper interviewers asked. Among blue-collar men who answered, "Yes, it >benefits mainly the rich," 56% percent nonetheless favored the plan.6 >Among blue-collar men with $30,000 or less who answered "yes" and who >believed that yes, this tax cut "benefits mainly the rich," a full 53 % >favored it. This far exceeds the 35% of people who make $75,000 or more, >knew the tax cut favored the rich, and still supported it. > So, what's going on? Should we throw out the classic Clinton-era >explanation for how we all vote: "It's the economy, stupid"?7 Not right >away. Maybe the blue-collar man who favors that tax cut is thinking "the >economy stupid" but only in the short term. He badly needs even the small >amounts of money he'll get from a tax cut to repair his car or contribute >to the rent. But then many working-class men labor decade after decade at >difficult jobs to secure a future for their children. So if they think >long term as a way of life, why are they thinking short-term when it comes >to their vote? > One possibility is that the Nascar Dad is not well informed; that >indeed, like the rest of us, he's been duped. For example, he may have >fallen for the Karl Rove-inspired bandwagon effect. "Bush is unbeatable," >he hears, or "Bush has a $200,000,000 re-election fund. Get with the >winner." It makes you a winner too, he feels. This might account for some >blue-collar Bush support, but it doesn't explain why the Nascar Dad would >be more likely to be taken in by the bandwagon effect than the professional >or managerial dad. Anyway, most blue-collar men would seem to be no less >likely than anyone else to vote their conscience, regardless of whom they >think will win, and that's not even counting those who root for the >underdog as a matter of principle. > But another kind of manipulation could be going on. A certain >amount of crucial information has gone missing in the Bush years. As has >recently become clear, information that would be of great interest to the >Nascar Dad has been withheld. With jobs disappearing at a staggering rate, >the Bureau of Labor Statistics ended its Mass Layoff Tracking Study on >Christmas Eve of 2002, thanks to this administration. And although >Congressional Democrats managed to get funding for the study restored in >February of 2003, the loss of 614,167 jobs in those two months was >unannounced.8 > Conveying the truth in a misleading manner is, of course, another >way of manipulating people. As the linguist George Lakoff astutely >observes, the term "tax relief" slyly invites us to imagine taxes as an >affliction and those who propose them as villains. If we add in such >distortions to the suppression of vital information, the Nascar Dad who >listens to Rush Limbaugh on the commute home, turns on Fox News at dinner, >and is too tired after working overtime to catch more than the headlines is >perhaps a man being exposed to only one side of the political story. > But then Nascar Dad could always turn the radio dial. He could do >a Google search on job loss on his kid's computer. He could talk to his >union buddies -- if he's one of the 12% who are still unionized -- or to >his slightly more liberal wife. It could be he knows perfectly well that >he's being lied to, but believes people are usually being lied to, and that >Bush is, in this respect, still the better of two evils. But how could that >be? > Maybe it's because Bush fits an underlying recipe for the kind of >confident, authoritative father figure such dads believe should run the >ship of state as they believe a man should run a family. Republican >rhetoric may appeal to the blue-collar man, Lakoff suggests, because we >tend to match our view of good politics with our image of a good family. >The appeal of any political leader, he believes, lies in the way he matches >our images of the father in the ideal family.9 There are two main pictures >of such an ideal American family, Lakoff argues. According to a "strict >father family" model, dad should provide for the family, control mom, and >use discipline to teach his children how to survive in a competitive and >hostile world. Those who advocate the strict father model, Lakoff reasons, >favor a "strict father" kind of government. If an administration fits this >model, it supports the family (by maximizing overall wealth). It protects >the family from harm (by building! > up the military). It raises the children to be self-reliant and >obedient (by fostering citizens who ask for little and speak when spoken >to). The match-up here is, of course, to Bush Republicans. > Then there is the "nurturing parent family" model in which parents >don't simply control their children but encourage their development. The >government equivalent would be offering services to the citizenry, funding >education, health, and welfare, and emphasizing diplomacy on a global >stage.) The core values here are empathy and responsibility, not control >and discipline and the match up is to the pro-public sector Dean/Kucinich >Democrats. Studies have shown that blue-collar ideals are closer to the >strict father than to the nurturing parent model. But that's been true for >a very long time, while the blue-collar vote sometimes goes left as in the >1930s, and sometimes goes right as it's doing now. So we can't simply pin >the pro-Bush Nascar Dad vote on a sudden change in blue-collar family >ideals. > Appealing to the "Forgotten American" > Maybe, however, something deeper is going on, which has so far >permitted Bush's flag-waving and cowboy-boot-strutting to trump issues of >job security, wages, safety, and health -- and even, in the case of Bush's >threats of further war -- life itself. In an essay, "The White Man >Unburdened," in a recent New York Review of Books, Norman Mailer recently >argued that the war in Iraq returned to white males a lost sense of >mastery, offering them a feeling of revenge for imagined wrongs, and a >sense of psychic rejuvenation."10 In the last thirty years, white men have >taken a drubbing, he notes, especially the three quarters of them who lack >college degrees. Between 1979 and 1999, for example, real wages for male >high-school graduates dropped 24%. In addition, Mailer notes, white >working class men have lost white champs in football, basketball and >boxing. (A lot of white men cheer black athletes, of course, whomever they >vote for.) But the war in Iraq, Mailer notes, gav! > e white men white heroes. By climbing into his jumpsuit, stepping out of >an S-3B Viking jet onto the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, Bush >posed as -- one could say impersonated -- such a hero. > Mailer is talking here about white men and support for the war in >Iraq. But we're talking about something that cuts deeper into emotional >life, and stretches farther back into the twin histories of American labor >and Republican presidencies. For Republicans have been capturing >blue-collar hearts for some time now. In the summer of 1971, Jefferson >Cowie tells us in a recent essay, Richard Nixon worked out a >semi-clandestine "blue-collar strategy." Nixon instructed Jerome Rosow of >the Department of Labor to draw up a confidential report, only 25 copies of >which were circulated. One of them got into the hands of a Wall Street >Journal reporter who exposed it under the banner, "Secret Report Tells >Nixon How to Help White Workingmen and Win Their Votes." > As the article noted, "President Nixon has before him a >confidential blueprint designed to help him capture the hearts and votes of >the nation's white working men -- the traditionally Democratic 'forgotten >Americans' that the Administration believes are ripe for political >plucking."11 According to close advisor, H.R. Haldeman, Nixon's plan was to >maintain an image as "a tough, courageous, masculine leader." The >never-ending Nixon tapes actually catch Nixon talking with aides Haldeman >and Ehrlichman about an episode in the popular television show "All in the >Family" in which the working-class Archie Bunker confronts an old buddy, a >former football player who has just come out of the closet as gay. Nixon >then recounts on tape how civilizations decline when homosexuality rises, >and concludes, "We have to stand up to this." Nixon sought to appeal to the >blue-collar man's straightness (at least he still had that), his >superiority over women (that, too), and his native-born ! > whiteness (and that.). As Cowie sums it up, "It was neither the entire >working class nor its material grievances on which the administration would >focus; rather it was the 'feeling of being forgotten' among white male >workers that Nixon and his advisors would seek to tap."12 > Until Nixon, Republicans had for a century written off the >blue-collar voter. But turning Marx on his head, Nixon appealed not to a >desire for real economic change but to the distress caused by the absence >of it. And it worked as it's doing again now. In the 1972 contest between >Nixon and McGovern, 57% of the manual worker vote and 54% of the union vote >went to Nixon. (This meant 22 and 25-point gains for Nixon over his 1968 >presidential run.) After Nixon, other Republican presidents -- Ford, >Reagan, and Bush Sr. -- followed in the same footsteps, although not always >so cleverly. > Now George Bush Jr. is pursuing a sequel strategy by again >appealing to the emotions of male blue-collar voters. Only he's added a >new element to the mix. Instead of appealing, as Nixon did, to anger at >economic decline, Bush is appealing to fear of economic displacement, and >offering the Nascar Dad a set of villains to blame, and a hero to thank -- >George W. Bush. > Let's begin by re-imagining the blue-collar man, for we do not >normally think of him as a fearful man. The very term "Nascar Dad" like >the earlier term "Joe Six Pack" suggests, somewhat dismissively, an >"I'm-alright-Jack" kind of guy. We imagine him with his son, some money in >his pocket, in the stands with the other guys rooting for his favorite >driver and car. The term doesn't call to mind a restless house-husband or >a despondent divorcee living back in his parents' house and seeing his kids >every other weekend. In other words, the very image we start with may lead >us away from clues to his worldview, his feelings, his politics and the >links between these. > Since the 1970s, the blue-collar man has taken a lot of economic >hits. The buying power of his paycheck, the size of his benefits, the >security of his job -- all these have diminished. As Ed Landry, a 62 >year-old-machinist interviewed by Paul Solman on the Lehrer News Hour said, >"We went to lunch and our jobs went to China." He searched for another job >and couldn't find one. He was even turned down for a job as a grocery >bagger. "I was told that we'd get back to you." "Did they?" Solman asked. > "No. I couldn't believe it myself. I couldn't get the job." In today's >jobless recovery, the average jobless stint for a man like Landry is now 19 >weeks, the longest since 1983. Jobs that don't even exist at present may >eventually open up, experts reassure us, but they aren't opening up yet. >In the meantime, three out of every four available jobs are low-level >service jobs. A lot of workers like Ed Landry, cast out of one economic >sector, have been unable to land a job! > even at the bottom of another.13 > For anyone who stakes his pride on earning an honest day's pay, >this economic fall is, unsurprisingly enough, hard to bear. How, then, do >these blue-collar men feel about it? Ed Landry said he felt "numb." >Others are anxious, humiliated and, as who wouldn't be, fearful. But in >cultural terms, Nascar Dad isn't supposed to feel afraid. What he can feel >though is angry. As Susan Faludi has described so well in her book >Stiffed, that is what many such men feel. As a friend who works in a Maine >lumber mill among blue-collar Republicans explained about his co-workers, >"They felt that everyone else -- women, kids, minorities -- were all moving >up, and they felt like they were moving down. Even the spotted owl seemed >like it was on its way up, while he and his job, were on the way down. And >he's angry." > Strutting the Political Flight Deck > But is that anger directed downward -- at "welfare cheats," women, >gays, blacks, and immigrants -- or is it aimed up at job exporters and rich >tax dodgers? Or out at alien enemies? The answer is likely to depend on >the political turn of the screw. The Republicans are clearly doing all >they can to aim that anger down or out, but in any case away from the rich >beneficiaries of Bush's tax cut. Unhinging the personal from the >political, playing on identity politics, Republican strategists have >offered the blue-collar voter a Faustian bargain: We'll lift your >self-respect by putting down women, minorities, immigrants, even those >spotted owls. We'll honor the manly fortitude you've shown in taking bad >news. But (and this is implicit) don't ask us to do anything to change >that bad news. Instead of Marie Antoinette's "let them eat cake," we have >-- and this is Bush's twist on the old Nixonian strategy -- "let them eat >war." > Paired with this is an aggressive right-wing attempt to mobilize >blue-collar fear, resentment and a sense of being lost -- and attach it to >the fear of American vulnerability, American loss. By doing so, Bush aims >to win the blue-collar man's identification with big business, empire, and >himself. The resentment anyone might feel at the personnel officer who >didn't have the courtesy to call him back and tell him he didn't have the >job, Bush now redirects toward the target of Osama bin Laden, and when we >can't find him, Saddam Hussein and when we can't find him... And these >enemies are now so intimate that we see them close up on the small screen >in our bedrooms and call them by their first names. > Whether strutting across a flight deck or mocking the enemy, Bush >with his seemingly fearless bravado -- ironically born of class entitlement >-- offers an aura of confidence. And this confidence dampens, even if >temporarily, the feelings of insecurity and fear exacerbated by virtually >every major domestic and foreign policy initiative of the Bush >administration. Maybe it comes down to this: George W. Bush is >deregulating American global capitalism with one hand while regulating the >feelings it produces with the other. Or, to put it another way, he is >doing nothing to change the causes of fear and everything to channel the >feeling and expression of it. He speaks to a working man's lost pride and >his fear of the future by offering an image of fearlessness. He poses here >in his union jacket, there in his pilot's jumpsuit, taunting the Iraqis to >"bring 'em on" -- all of it meant to feed something in the heart of a >frightened man. In this light, even Bush's "bad boy" p! > ast is a plus. He steals a wreath off a Macy's door for his Yale >fraternity and careens around drunk in Daddy's car. But in the politics of >anger and fear, the Republican politics of feelings, this is a plus. > There is a paradox here. While Nixon was born into a >lower-middle-class family, his distrustful personality ensured that his >embrace of the blue-collar voter would prove to be wary and distrustful. >Paradoxically, Bush, who was born to wealth, seems really to like being the >top gun talking to "regular guys." In this way, Bush adds to Nixon's >strategy his lone-range machismo. > More important, Nixon came into power already saddled with an >unpopular war. Bush has taken a single horrific set of attacks on >September 11, 2001 and mobilized his supporters and their feelings around >them. Unlike Nixon, Bush created his own war, declared it ongoing but >triumphant, and fed it to his potential supporters. His policy -- and this >his political advisor Karl Rove has carefully calibrated -- is something >like the old bait-and-switch. He continues to take the steaks out of the >blue-collar refrigerator and to declare instead, "let them eat war." He >has been, in effect, strip-mining the emotional responses of blue-collar >men to the problems his own administration is so intent on causing. > But there is a chance this won't work. For one thing, the war may >turn out to have been a bad idea, Bush's equivalent of a runaway plant. >For another thing, working men may smell a skunk. Many of them may resent >those they think have emerged from the pack behind them and are now getting >ahead, and they may fear for their future. But they may also come to >question whether they've been offered Osama bin Laden as a stand-in for the >many unfixed problems they face. They may wonder whether their own >emotions aren't just one more natural resource the Republicans are >exploiting for their profit. What we urgently need now, of course, is a >presidential candidate who addresses the root causes of blue-collar anger >and fear and who actually tackles the problems before us all, instead of >pandering to the emotions bad times evoke. What do you think? > 1. According to Ruy Teixeira and Joel Rogers, white working-class >voters male and female made up 55% of voters in 2000. If we define >"working class" as people without a college degree, then three-quarters of >Americans are working class. Three-fourths of the population is also >white, so white working class voters make up 55% of those casting votes. >See Why the White Working Class Still Matters, New York: Basic Books, 2000. > 2. I got these figures by reanalyzing a January 2003 national poll >conducted by Roper and sponsored by NBC and the Wall Street Journal. > 3. Teixeira and Rogers, p. 16. > 4. Bill Decker, "Will 'Nascar Dad' Set the Pace in 2004 Election?" >the Lafayette, Louisiana Advertiser, August 11, 2003. According to Matt >Stearns, the term, "NASCAR dad" was coined by Celinda Lake, a Democratic >pollster, and described small-town and rural voters, especially white men >in the South who switched from Democrat to Republican. I use the term to >refer to men in blue-collar jobs in any region of the country. Matt >Stearns, "NASCAR Dads' are latest hot political demographic", KnightRidder >Newspapers, Sept 29, 2003. > 5. David Sanger, "Bush Defends Tax Cuts and Announces Jobs Post", >The New York Times, September 2, 2003. > 6. The Roper poll classified people into three groups: $30,000 and >less annual household income, $30,000 to $75,000, and $75,000 and higher. > 7. In Michigan, Bush got a 63% favorable rating from white union >members according to a May 2003 poll. See "The Bad News for Big Labor: >Blue Collars Love This Blueblood", Business Week, June 30, 2003. As >Thomas Edsall points out, "As recently as the 1988 contest between Michael >S. Dukakis and George Bush, voters making more than $50,000 a year voted >for the Republican by a 25 percentage point margin, 62 percent to 37 >percent. By the 2000 election, the spread in the $50,000-plus bracket fell >to 7 percentage points." "Voter Values Determine Political Affiliation", >Washington Post, March 26, 2001. A poll by Stanley Greenberg for the >Institute for America's Future also showed that whites without college >degrees were significantly more inclined toward the Republican than the >Democratic Party. See Dennis Farney, "Great Divides: Scenes from the >Politics of American Culture," Wall St. Journal, 1994, Dec 14; John Judis >and Ruy Teixeira, "Why Democrats Must Be Populists", ! > The American Prospect, Sept 9, 2002. > 8. Tim Dickinson, "Where the Sun Don't Shine", Mother Jones, >September/October 2003 Issue. The Times reports a loss of 2.5 million jobs >Sept 2, 2003, pA20. but does not reference the mass layoff study. > 9. George Lakoff, "Framing the Dems", The American Prospect, >September 2003. > 10. Norman Mailer, "The White Man Unburdened", The New York Review >of Books, July 17, 2003. > 11. Jefferson Cowie, "Nixon's class struggle: romancing the New >Right worker, 1969-1973," Labor History, August 2002, p. 257. > 12. Cowie, ibid. p 260, p 279. > 13. The Jobless Recovery, June 23, 2003, Online News Hour, >Interviewer Paul Solman. > > @2003 The Foundation for National Progress > > Read the article online: > > >http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2003/10/we_558_01.html > > Check out the latest from Mother Jones at: > > http://www.motherjones.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #77 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)