From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #72 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 15 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 072 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- June Tabor & Martin Simpson (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: June Tabor & Martin Simpson (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Circle Game [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: OK...One More and That's IT njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Circle Game [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Kerry, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] mushrooms, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: OK...One More and That's IT njc ["Norman Pennington" ] re - will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! ["J.David] June Tabor (NJC) [TinkersOwn@aol.com] Quicktime ["jlobello" ] Re: Sandy Denny (sJC) [David Sadowski ] test NJC [Debra Worthington ] Re: Sandy Denny (sJC) [Debra Worthington ] Re: Sandy Denny NJC [Debra Worthington ] re: McGarrigles (NJC) [David Sadowski ] me and Joni [Debra Worthington ] Re: test NJC [Catherine McKay ] re: McGarrigles (NJC) [Debra Worthington ] Sandy Denny NJC ["Steve Anderson" ] Re: me and Joni NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Did Joni carry a torch? ["michael o'malley" ] re the costello/mitchell pic [cul ] Re: me and Joni NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni news [PassScribe@aol.com] Playing problems follow up ["don whiteman" ] Michael from Mountains [Debra Worthington ] huh? [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:23:02 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: June Tabor & Martin Simpson (NJC) Azeem wrote: > My favourite albums of hers are the ones > she made with Martin Simpson 'A Cut Above' is fantastic - (especially 'Flash Company'), but I didn't know they had recorded any others together. Martin is a dazzling fingerpicker - if any jmdlers don't know him, I urge you to take a listen (and watch) his version of 'John Hardy' at the BBC Folk Awards last week (where he won the 'Musician of the Year' Award) - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/folk/folkawards2004/video.shtml (you'll need Real Player - and probably broadband to get a good look at what he's doing - unbelievable!! The above site also has videos of June singing a 'fearsome' version of 'Hughie Graham' - (bishop's whore and all), plus Kate Rusby singing 'Underneath the Stars' and Joan Baez singing Ryan Adams' 'In My Time Of Need', amongst others. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:16:35 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: June Tabor & Martin Simpson (NJC) In a message dated 14/02/2004 12:25:10 GMT Standard Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > Martin is a dazzling fingerpicker - if any jmdlers don't > know him, I urge you to take a listen (and watch) his > version of 'John Hardy' at the BBC Folk Awards last > week (where he won the 'Musician of the Year' Award) - see > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/folk/folkawards2004/video.shtml > (you'll need Real Player - and probably broadband to > get a good look at what he's doing - unbelievable!! > > The above site also has videos of June singing a > 'fearsome' version of 'Hughie Graham' - (bishop's whore > and all), plus Kate Rusby singing 'Underneath the Stars' > and Joan Baez singing Ryan Adams' 'In My Time Of Need', > amongst others. > Hi Paul, I've just finished watching my video of last night's Folk Awards show and found it a very moving experience. It made me feel proud to have been a folk fan for so long. It was stirring stuff with Robin Cook , Ralph McTell and Joan Baez presenting awards and Carthy receiving one on behalf of Swarb who is sick again plus wonderful performances from June Tabor and Kate Rusby. Too many other wonderful people to mention and lovely to see them all up on the stage with Joan at the end. Nice to see Show of Hands, who a group of UK JMDLers will remember from that night at the Kashmir, also picking up the best live performance award. What was most exciting about the whole thing was the mix of talented young performers interspersed with the old national treasures. Jim Moray picked up a hatful of awards. All pulled together by Mike Harding who probably deserves an award himself. How to I get a ticket for next year's bash, I wonder? What's remarkable about Simpson is the way he can switch between different styles of music so effortlessly. I know he's lived in the US but when he sings John Hardy you would believe he was an American blues singer while Bramble Briar is an album of true English folk songs. Nice guy too! Take care, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:59:40 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Circle Game Bob wrote: Well, now I'm blabbering, but one more thought about the song.> > Even though it's not really written as such, I always feel like > when the song starts I'm looking through the eyes of the child, > seeing the stars, the dragonflies, and experiencing that wonder. > In the next verses, I feel like I'm looking through the eyes > of the parent, watching my child move through those seasons, > and by the end of the song I feel as though I'm looking > through the eyes of a philosopher, commenting on the whole > experience and wondering why those childhood years are so > fleeting. Hi Bob! This is really beautifully said! The Circle Game does reach through the generations. My grandfather, a Polish immigrant, didn't care much for me playing guitar. He wanted me to play violin... and I did to start with, but my heart was with guitar. Anyway, I was on a trip from Arkansas to Canada and met up with my grandfather who was parked in an RV under the Blue Water Bridge in Port Huron, Michigan. We sat outside his bus, and I played and sang Circle Game for him. His eyes welled up with tears, and we connected in a mystical way through the song. I felt appreciated by him as a guitar player for the first time. I think he felt exactly what you wrote here Bob. Another amazing gift from Joni!!! Love and awe, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:11:57 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: OK...One More and That's IT njc > Now HERE'S a 404 error you won't soon forget... > > http://www.se7en-x.com/oops/ LOL, Buck! But I'm confused by this: " Chances are the other "Lesbian" was some middle aged guy named Norman who lives in a trailer in Salt Lake City. " I thought you said you live in an RV in Portales??!! ; D Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:19:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Circle Game In a message dated 2/14/2004 8:59:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, LCStanley7 writes: I think he felt exactly what you wrote here Bob. Another amazing gift from Joni!!! Amazing, isn't it? Thanks for sharing that story. Joni just does everything right in this (and most of her) songs...for instance, the line: "We're captive on the carousel of time" Has an interesting bit of illiteration, but the two words are also polar opposite in connotation. "Captive" with a (somewhat) negative attachment, and "carousel" with a positive one. So if you're captive on a carousel, making those circles, is it a good thing or a bad thing? Like most of her work, she just makes the keen observation and lets us fill in the blanks with our own experience, which is why your grandfather welled up and also why I always do. Just amazing stuff. Bob NP: The Mary Jane Girls, "Boys" (not quite as amazing...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:27:21 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Kerry, njc Anon wrote: > It sure is hard to leave here Kerry > but it's really not my home... Sounds like what Clark just sang recently! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:38:38 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: mushrooms, njc Jennifer wrote: > When I was slicing mushrooms the other day, I noticed how much they look > like coronal slices of brain. Have you ever noticed this? Hi Jennifer! Yes, I've noticed. Maybe the human brain evolved from mushrooms. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:24:37 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: OK...One More and That's IT njc Lori, being somewhat confused, said: > > LOL, Buck! But I'm confused by this: > > " Chances are the other "Lesbian" was some middle aged guy named Norman > who lives in a trailer in Salt Lake City. " > > I thought you said you live in an RV in Portales??!! > I do. That's Norman LEAR in SLC... ;-> Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:02:06 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Sandy Denny (sJC) Maggie wrote: > I cried the day Sandy Denny died For me, it's like remembering where you were when JFK died, although I didn't hear about Sandy until a couple of weeks later. I had been in Canada and, arriving home at the end of April 1978, was picked up at Heathrow Airport by friends. On the drive home, I asked if anything had happened whilst I was away and was told that Sandy had fallen down stairs and died. I still remember that moment so clearly. I recently exchanged e-mails with her friend, Miranda Ward, who occasionally contributes to the Sandy list, and in whose house Sandy was found by their friend, Jon Cole - still alive, having appeared to have fallen down the stairs. I found his account of that sad day here - http://www.rekindle.co.uk/sdenny.htm Funnily enough, I was thinking of Sandy the other day while listening to the end of Chinese Cafe on Travelogue, when Joni sings "Time goes, wonder where the time goes, where does the time go? PaulC "The albums strewn without their clothes Gather dust among the grooves The only one I play is 'Blue' It makes me think of you." [Sandy Denny] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:36:29 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: re - will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! Welcome Patti. Your first post is a knockout - the "inner circle" is just around the corner :~) The book should be great. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:29:06 EST From: TinkersOwn@aol.com Subject: June Tabor (NJC) Ashara wrote: >I've been listening to June since the 70's when she collaborated with Maddy >Prior of Steeleye Span fame on the album Silly Sisters. The old folkie (or is that fogey?) that I am, I too have loved June's music for a long time. Hers was the first version I ever heard of "The Band Played Waltzing Matilda", a song that still brings tears to my eyes. Silly Sisters was great - did you ever hear their parody (by the Mrs Ackroyd band, but with June singing) "Me 'Usband's Got no Porridge in 'Im"? Hilarious!!! Consulting "the list", I've seen her 4 times, first at The Crown folk club in London in '77, last at McCabes in Santa Monica in '96. ################################################ Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@aol.com "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:47:26 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Quicktime If you have a PC (not a Mac)....Don't download QuickTime! I did it and I'm still having trouble getting all the attachments, links and all the other crap out of my computer even after I un-install the stupid thing. It isn't good in PCs and acts more like a virus. If you want to watch the video, use a Mac with QuickTime--it works great with Macs because that's what it made for---and the video, art show and whole set up is well worth it, I just wish that they hadn't used QuickTime. A regular CD player will play Disc 2 (or is it Disc One with the QuickTime video?). If you have a CD burner, copy Disc Two using the Copy CD audio format only (found in Nero). That copy should play on your computer without that annoying QuickTime announcement. Jono ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:18:27 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Sandy Denny (sJC) I was fortunate to have seen her with Fairport Convention around 1974 or so on the Rising For the Moon tour. One of the best shows I can remember. Paul Castle wrote: >Maggie wrote: > > > >>I cried the day Sandy Denny died ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:46:12 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Worthington Subject: test NJC Hi, I keep sending emails and either no one wants to responsd to them or they are getting lost in space. I have not received in from in my email box....any thoughts? Debi Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:49:28 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Worthington Subject: Re: Sandy Denny (sJC) Well David, You are in deed very lucky to have seen this amazing artist perform. I have several live lps and maybe a boot or two. Sandy is my second best to Joni of course. I have an autobiography on her and it is indeed very interesting. Debi David Sadowski wrote: I was fortunate to have seen her with Fairport Convention around 1974 or so on the Rising For the Moon tour. One of the best shows I can remember. Paul Castle wrote: >Maggie wrote: > > > >>I cried the day Sandy Denny died Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:53:32 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Worthington Subject: Re: Sandy Denny NJC According to her biography, she did in fact fall down the stairs but refused treatment. I think it took either a few weeks or a few months that she started getting sevear headaches and then she sent into a coma and died. So tragic. Debi Paul Castle wrote: Maggie wrote: > I cried the day Sandy Denny died For me, it's like remembering where you were when JFK died, although I didn't hear about Sandy until a couple of weeks later. I had been in Canada and, arriving home at the end of April 1978, was picked up at Heathrow Airport by friends. On the drive home, I asked if anything had happened whilst I was away and was told that Sandy had fallen down stairs and died. I still remember that moment so clearly. I recently exchanged e-mails with her friend, Miranda Ward, who occasionally contributes to the Sandy list, and in whose house Sandy was found by their friend, Jon Cole - still alive, having appeared to have fallen down the stairs. I found his account of that sad day here - http://www.rekindle.co.uk/sdenny.htm Funnily enough, I was thinking of Sandy the other day while listening to the end of Chinese Cafe on Travelogue, when Joni sings "Time goes, wonder where the time goes, where does the time go? PaulC "The albums strewn without their clothes Gather dust among the grooves The only one I play is 'Blue' It makes me think of you." [Sandy Denny] Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:53:47 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: re: McGarrigles (NJC) There are still some great artists out there. Just last night, I saw Kate and Anna McGarrigle do two great sets at the Old Town School of Folk Music. Debra Worthington wrote: >Well David, >You are in deed very lucky to have seen this amazing artist perform. I have several live lps and maybe a boot or two. Sandy is my second best to Joni of course. >I have an autobiography on her and it is indeed very interesting. >Debi > >David Sadowski wrote: >I was fortunate to have seen her with Fairport Convention around 1974 or >so on the Rising For the Moon tour. One of the best shows I can remember. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:03:39 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Worthington Subject: me and Joni When I was a little girl my mom changed my name to an i to create Debi. When I was about 13 and got my first Joni record, I knew we would be good for each other since her spelling was similar to my own. Well that was over 28 years ago and that woman has influenced my life from day one. She was the catalyst for my wanting to play guitar. Also, my love for her music sent me down a path of desperation looking for her songbooks etc. Then there was eBay. Through that place I got everything Joni imaginable. What a joy. But really made the difference was finding the Joni Mitchell Disscussion List. The guitar site alone it overwhelming. When (after creating my own Joni group site) someone told me about the site and the list it was like dying and going to heaven for me. Joni has always been my anchor, my rock. When I feel a certain way she understands me. I hear that she does through her own trail and tribulations. I am very happy to be back on the list for it was way to long for me. Thanks, Debi Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:05:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: test NJC --- Debra Worthington wrote: > Hi, > I keep sending emails and either no one wants to > responsd to them or they are getting lost in space. > I have not received in from in my email box....any > thoughts? > Debi Debi, I think they may have gotten lost in space. This is the first time I know of that I've seen anything from you - but there are a couple that came in right after. If you're new, or haven't been around for a while - welcome (back?)! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:08:38 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Worthington Subject: re: McGarrigles (NJC) I do beleave I saw those two at the Philly Folk Fest a few years back. They indeeed are good. I had Tix to see Joan Baez but then my grandmother died and with all the comotion, I forgot to go. Debi David Sadowski wrote: There are still some great artists out there. Just last night, I saw Kate and Anna McGarrigle do two great sets at the Old Town School of Folk Music. Debra Worthington wrote: >Well David, >You are in deed very lucky to have seen this amazing artist perform. I have several live lps and maybe a boot or two. Sandy is my second best to Joni of course. >I have an autobiography on her and it is indeed very interesting. >Debi > >David Sadowski wrote: >I was fortunate to have seen her with Fairport Convention around 1974 or >so on the Rising For the Moon tour. One of the best shows I can remember. Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:30:54 -0600 From: "Steve Anderson" Subject: Sandy Denny NJC >According to her biography, she did in fact fall down the stairs but refused treatment I loved Sandy Denny. The 3 cd Hannibal anthology is really great. I think there are some other smaller best ofs as well. Richard Thompson wrote a song about it called Did She Jump Or Was She Pushed. Apparently he wasn't all that sold on her falling down the stairs. Don't know if that is true or not but that is the rumor. Steve Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:27:57 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: me and Joni NJC In a message dated 2/14/2004 1:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, debi627327@yahoo.com writes: > When (after creating my own Joni group site) someone told me about the site > and the list it was like dying and going to heaven for me. Catgirl..........is that you??????????? Welcome back! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:50:27 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Did Joni carry a torch? Hi Patti, Thank you for the Valentine and welcome! I must admit, when I first read the title of the new book made it made me cringe! I have never thought of Joni as a Torch Song Singer. Despite her openness and vulnerability, I have never sensed that woe-is-me-for-the-man-that-got-away ethos, in either her music or lyrics. However, my dictionary describes Torch as pining for a secret love, from a distance. Just to convince myself that Joni was not a Torch Song Singer, I thumbed through The Complete Lyrics. To my surprise, however, I came up with quite a decent list of what one might consider to be Torch songs - a la Joni, of course. See what you think: I Don't Know Where I Stand A Case of You Blue The Same Situation Blue Motel Room Off Night Backstreet Sweet Sucker Dance Moon at the Window Two Grey Rooms Last Chance Lost Man From Mars I didn't consider the BSN album material (which is definitely torchy) because most of it is not Joni's own. Michael in Quebec NP Sarah Vaughn : Stormy Weather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:51:13 -0500 From: cul Subject: re the costello/mitchell pic in case anyone couldn't or didn't have the time to search for the pic of the upcoming bookcover featuring Mitchell and Costello and mentioned by that thoughtful and reflective observer who graciously recently outed herself to the list...it can be viewed at http://www.deeperwants.com/mitchell/jonipix/mitchellcostello.jpg ps welcome to the visible world , Patty :) cul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:41:40 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: me and Joni NJC **I am very happy to be back on the list for it was way to long for me. Now I will have to get used to calling you Debi! ;~) A big welcome back from me... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:11:31 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni news << From: "Patricia Parlette" Subject: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! Dear All You Wonderful JMDLers: Hi loves! My name is Patti and I've been reading along here for far too many months, waiting to jump in and say hello. (I don't like the expression "lurking" -- I prefer "thoughtfully observing and reflecting"!) As she has for many of you, Joni has provided the soundtrack for my life, starting with STAS in 1969 when I was in 9th grade. I have so many Joni moments to share, but those will have to wait a bit, because my computer usage time is limited. For now, I will enter your wonderful world with some exciting news: there is a new scholarly book being released in October 2004 entitled: "Elvis Costello, Joni Mitchell, and the Torch Song Tradition." Is that cool or WHAT? .................. ................So, dear Joni-lovers, this Valentine's Day I offer you all my Joni-love and memories and moments-yet-to-come. Will you take me as I am? Will you? Peace, Patti, who just turned 50 on Monday and is giving herself a magnificent present by diving heart-first into the JMDL waters >> Hey, Patti, Thanks for the tip; I know I'll be looking for that new book. Glad you came out of "lurkdom" for this announcement, Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:34:49 +1100 From: "don whiteman" Subject: Playing problems follow up Hi ALl, Many thanks for those who replied to me privately your words of wisdom help comfort. I have had the nerve conduction study done on my left arm and I have moderate damage to my ulnar nerve. I sought a second opinion and visited a neuro surgeon last wednesday. he ran a long series of tests and I failed dismally on each. The bottom line was that I need surgery. They will perfom a medial epicondylectomy next Friday. The recovery time is around 6-10 weeks. However he said that I should get about 80% feeling back in my finger tips. I am heading to the US in late April for a study conference and workshop in LA and wanted to delay the operation until after my return. He said that I could expect a further 20% loss by then. So the decision was made. I believe that I have chosen the least risky surgery, that should offer good results. I suppose I should wait and see. At least he can arrest the deteroiration any further. Will stay in touch. Don in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:10:25 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Worthington Subject: Michael from Mountains Hello, I was playing my guitar and I really enjoy Michael from Mountains. It is such an optimistic song. *Michael from Mountains, go where you may go to, know that I will love you, Someday, I will know you very well.* That is such a nice way at looking at life. It sounds like she is letting him go but know in her heart that she will know him again. I think that in all relationships, if we let the person go, then we give away all the control. Who wants a person around who really needs to go anyway? Frankly, I don't! I like the imagery she paints in that song as well. That is why it is one of my favs on the lp. Most if not all are awesome. Any one else have a fav off of that lp? Debi (showing her age with the lp thing) Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:20:49 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: huh? did i get a reply to my random thought and miss it? Oh yeah, i heard Joni was mentioned in the bible too ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #72 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)