From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #71 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 14 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 071 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: What makes 100%njc ["ash" ] Yoko Ono appreciation thread (NJC) ["Dylan Rush" ] Starter For Ten and Travelogue ["William Waddell" ] The onion on gay marriage njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] I promise this is the last Onion link today njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Joni mention on West Wing [anne@sandstrom.com] Circle Game ["Kate Bennett" ] will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! ["Patricia Par] Re: will you take me as I am? I have some exciting join news! [Jerry Not] Re: will you take me as i am? =?ISO-8859-1?B?oGkgaGF2ZSBzb21lIGV4Y2l0aW5nIGpvbmkgbmV3cyE=?= [] Sarah Harmer [Ken ] RE: June Tabor (NJC) ["Maggie McNally" ] RE: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! ["Maggie M] Can we rename a Joni song? ["anon anon" ] Re: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! now njc I guess [Catherine McKay ] Candidate Kerry njc - pc ["Norman Pennington" ] OK...One More and That's IT njc ["Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: What makes 100%njc may I include this? > > Subject: What makes 100%? > From a strictly mathematical viewpoint it goes like this: > What makes 100%? > What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? > Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? > We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give > over > 100%. > How about achieving 103%? > Here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these > questions: > > If: > A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z > is represented as: > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26, > then: > > H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K > > 8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98% > > and, > K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E > 11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96% > But, > A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E > 1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100% > And, > B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T > 2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103% > and, look how far ass kissing will take you: > A-S-S--K-I-S-S-I-N-G > 1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118% > So, one can then conclude with mathematical certainty that: > While Hardwork and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get > you there, > Bullshit and Ass Kissing will put you over the top! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:31:02 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Yoko Ono appreciation thread (NJC) Show your love in this thread for one of the greatest women ever. Following is the birthday greeting letter I have sent to Yoko through the AIU.net website. I encourage y'all to do the same. "Dear Yoko, My name is Dylan Rush, I am 13 years old and I live in Sydney, Australia. I am glad I now have a means of communicating with you. Many years I have been wanting to tell you: I love you, Yoko! You're a person who's been through so much pain all these years, and had the courage to turn it around into gorgeous positive energy and a desire to better the world, which you've termed Starpeace. You've also triumphed over ageism, sexism and racism. I love your positivity, Yoko! The world is just now catching up with the genius of your music. I was initially repulsed when I discovered you on Double Fantasy, but then after a while something clicked and the beauty, pain and delicate soul inside was revealed to me. Later, I found out what your term was for this - I opened my box. I have since spent hundreds of dollars buying up all the albums of yours I could find. From "Plastic Ono Band" to "New York Rock" - I love your music, Yoko! Your conceptual art is thought-provoking, mind-expanding and, like your music, ahead-of-it's-time. Grapefruit is as relevant as ever. And all these years, despite small-minded critics, you've had the guts to do what you want, artistically and musically. I love your art, Yoko! Yoko, you've made me a better person. I see the world in a different, gorgeous, positive light. Thanks to you and the Rainbow Revelation you've brought to us, I truly believe that we can have world peace - if we want it. Your message lives on. You've also made me more comfortable with the word "Love". The world needs more of it, for some reason we're all scared of it, and I'm trying to spread it out as much as possible. I wish you a very, very happy 71st birthday, Yoko. As you have said - "Just remember you are loved - remember I love you". You have said that if all goes well, you will tour this year. Please may I beg of you that you come to Sydney and do a show at our Opera House? I promise I'll come! With love, Dylan Rush dylan_rush@hotmail.com" _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:56:21 +0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Starter For Ten and Travelogue Hi everyone, Haven't been keeping up with the posts of late so maybe this has been mentioned before. On Wednesday, Joni was briefly mentioned on TV as having a quote or the like in a new book called 'Starter For Ten' by David Nicholls. A lot of Kate Bush in it apparently. It got rave reviews. Just a quick question for those of you who have 'Travelogue' and play it on your computer. I tried for the first time to play it on mine and Disc 2 just showed up as 'if you want to play this movie download Quicktime 5'. I don't remember anyone ever posting about this. Dunno how to play Disc 2 as a regular CD. Have a great weekend. WtShake NP - 'Baby Blue' _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:21:01 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: Missed/Missing Checking in NJC I've just recently returned from an extended period being off-list, and must admit that it is great to be on-board again. I had been wondering where Colin was. My absence was not cynical though. It was the result of awful time pressure, lol:-) I signed off at the start of my final year of uni to facilitate the expected increased work load. And of course then i fell head over heels and suddenly i didnt have five minutes. After taht i moved to london to do an MSc and intended to sign back on quickly but i was relying on internet cafe's at that point, and when you're working for starbucks in london and have to pay rent etc, it just isnt easy to find #1 every day to check email. And my silly account kept filling up very quickly. INternet use in college is free, thankfully (although ive moved on from starbucks TBTG), so now the only prob is having time! I had signed on a couple of times to say hi and to lurk for a while (mmmm, not so into that phrase, hehe), but am now back in a more regular capacity, and, as i said, glad to be back on board. Last Joni song i listened to was either Last Time I Saw Richard or Pirate of Penance. Cant remember! GARRET np- the sound of the fans in this HOT HOT HOT computer room!! From: KJHSF@aol.com SO I'm challenging everyone who's lurking to check in now and answer this question; What was the last Joni song you listened to? I'll start: Marcie from STAS. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:59:22 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: The onion on gay marriage njc http://www.theonion.com/4006/wdyt.html Raised a chuckle or two... Azeem in London NP: Nerina Pallot - Dear Frustrated Superstar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:09:51 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: I promise this is the last Onion link today njc Sorry folks, but this one was laugh-out-loud funny. I'll stop now, really, even if the next one is funnier... http://www.theonion.com/4006/news2.html Azeem in London NP: Nerina Pallot - Some Day Soon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:53:19 -0500 (EST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Joni mention on West Wing It was just SO GREAT to hear the Joni mention. Oddly enough, I turned away from the tv, to look at Russ to see if he noticed. He didn't seem to. Oh well... It seems that she's been mentioned more and more in tv and movies. Not an onslaught, mind you, but at least she's there. Envious of everyone who is still discovering Joni they've never heard before... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:13:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Circle Game >Mae Robertson, who covered the song on oneof her CD's, and she said that while she was sitting on her front porch working out the guitar part, her son came out, car keys in hand, and took off in the car< Wow... I can relate...that was the joni song I used to play so much in my youth relating to it from a kid's perspective of growing up...I hadn't heard that song in many many years when I went to hear Tom Rush play in the mid 90's... It was the first time I'd heard him in decades... He played that song & did it so well... it was the first time I was hearing it as a parent & it was nothing short of amazing... I was in tears with how my life had come full circle... Many in the audience were in the same space... Very poignant moment... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:00:20 +0000 From: "Patricia Parlette" Subject: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! Dear All You Wonderful JMDLers: Hi loves! My name is Patti and I've been reading along here for far too many months, waiting to jump in and say hello. (I don't like the expression "lurking" -- I prefer "thoughtfully observing and reflecting"!) As she has for many of you, Joni has provided the soundtrack for my life, starting with STAS in 1969 when I was in 9th grade. I have so many Joni moments to share, but those will have to wait a bit, because my computer usage time is limited. For now, I will enter your wonderful world with some exciting news: there is a new scholarly book being released in October 2004 entitled: "Elvis Costello, Joni Mitchell, and the Torch Song Tradition." Is that cool or WHAT? I work in academia (University of Connecticut -- GO HUSKIES!) and the other day a new catalog crossed my desk from Praeger, a division of the Greenwood Publishing Group. I was fliipping through pages of what looked like some interesting books when -- OHMYGOD -- I saw the name "Joni Mitchell" and I nearly fell off my chair! I even let out a little gasp, and some colleagues came running over to see what was the matter. When they realized that it was just Patti having another Joni moment, they shook their heads with a knowing smile and went back to work. (I love all of my colleagues, but some of them JUST DON'T GET IT!!! It drives me crazy! There is, however, ONE Spanish professor who gets it. When I first brought up Joni to him, he told me that she is a "Goddess", and that Hejira is so beautiful and so powerful and so moving that he can only listen to it once a year!). Anyway, this book looks awesome. You can check it out at www.greenwood.com and enter in the author's name as Larry David Smith. (Sorry, I can't access the link at the moment to copy it for you). There is a picture of Joni on the cover (oh, my heart be still!!!) and part of the blurb reads: ".....a unique and invaluable exploration of the craft of two of the last century's most towering musical figures...." So, dear Joni-lovers, this Valentine's Day I offer you all my Joni-love and memories and moments-yet-to-come. Will you take me as I am? Will you? Peace, Patti, who just turned 50 on Monday and is giving herself a magnificent present by diving heart-first into the JMDL waters _________________________________________________________________ Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:23:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: will you take me as I am? I have some exciting join news! > Dear All You Wonderful JMDLers: > > Hi loves! My name is Patti and I've been reading along here for far too > many months, waiting to jump in and say hello. (I don't like the expression > "lurking" -- I prefer "thoughtfully observing and reflecting"!) As she has > for many of you, Joni has provided the soundtrack for my life, starting with > STAS in 1969 when I was in 9th grade. I have so many Joni moments to share, > but those will have to wait a bit, because my computer usage time is > limited. > > For now, I will enter your wonderful world with some exciting news: there > is a new scholarly book being released in October 2004 entitled: "Elvis > Costello, Joni Mitchell, and the Torch Song Tradition." Is that cool or > WHAT? I work in academia (University of Connecticut -- GO HUSKIES!) and the > other day a new catalog crossed my desk from Praeger, a division of the > Greenwood Publishing Group. I was fliipping through pages of what looked > like some interesting books when -- OHMYGOD -- I saw the name "Joni > Mitchell" and I nearly fell off my chair! Well, now. You are from academia. That explains your wonderful post! I, too, am from academia. I am a University Librarian with The University of South Florida. The book title doesn't seem to raise eyebrows for others the way it does for me. It seems especially ironic for Joni's name be linked with the term torch song. Most contemporary female singers refuse to sing torch songs any more because they traditionally put women in the role of victim. Even Streisand, who sings them once in a while because of the music, not the lyrics, apologizes when she does. And it seems like Joni broke that mold as a female singer/ songwriter who is "blue" but refuses to blame anyone but herself. And nowhere more apparent than in Little Green. So I'll be very interested to read the book. Welcome, Patti, to the posting world. Glad you are no longer lur.., I mean "thoughtfully observing and reflecting"! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:39:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: will you take me as i am? =?ISO-8859-1?B?oGkgaGF2ZSBzb21lIGV4Y2l0aW5nIGpvbmkgbmV3cyE=?= Hiya Patti, thanks for the great introduction and for the news. Both Elvis and Joni are among my favorite songwriters, so I can't wait to dig into this book when it comes out. Looking forward to hearing more of your Joni stories as you've been following her longer than I. I jumped on around the Court and Spark era but it was Hejira that really floored me & forced me to put Joni up high on my list of favorites where the air is rare. Believe me, we will all GLADLY take you as you are. :~) Bob NP: The Jody Grind, "Mood Indigo" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:03:32 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Sarah Harmer I saw Sarah Harmer at the CBC radio taping a couple of weeks ago and had a chance to have a few words with her. Her new album, out next month, was written and produced by her (for the most part) and recorded at her farm near Kingston Ont. For some snipets of it go here. http://www.rounder.com/index.php?id=album.php&catalog_id=6575 I absolutly adore a song called Dandelions In Bullet Holes which she played at the taping. Sounds slighty like the guitar from Joni's Turbulent Indigo.And harmony to die for. Ken P.S. If you heard Adam Sandler on Conan O'Brian the other night I just want to assure you we don't all have shrunkin members. He's just a wimp! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:29:18 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: June Tabor (NJC) Don't know where Jack is, but I do know that I, too, have been a fan of English folk-rock (as I recall it being called) since the early 70s when my friend Bob introduced me to Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span. Why, just the other day I was listening to my "All Around My Hat" vinyl... I told Ashara a story about going to a place in Harvard Square called The Garage and seeing Steeleye Span during that time. Maddy Prior was doing her wonderful crazy dancing in the aisles. Great, great concert. I cried the day Sandy Denny died. As for June Tabor, I do not know her music, but a young colleague of mine does. I'm going to get her to bring some in so I can give her a listen. Thanks to John Van Tiel I was able to share my Kate Rushby with her. That's still legal, isn't it? (tongue in cheek, but you never know these days) Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: AsharaJM@aol.com [mailto:AsharaJM@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:41 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: June Tabor (NJC) Mike asked: <> I've been listening to June since the 70's when she collaborated with Maddy Prior of Steeleye Span fame on the album Silly Sisters. I've been a huge fan of English music since the early 70's, especially Steeleye Span, Fairport Convention, Sandy Denny, Martin Carthy, Maddy, and the recent singers and bands out now such as Kate Rusby and Malinky. As a kid in high school loving this music, I was pretty alone in it at the time. When I talked about Steeleye Span, they would say "you mean, Steely Dan?" No, Steeleye Span....oh, nevermind. :-) A few summers ago, I realized a lifelong dream of going to the Cambridge Folk Festivel in England. It was fantastic!! Hugs, Ashara, wondering where Jack is, my JMDL Steeleye Span buddy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:45:03 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! Hi Patti - welcome! I loved hearing of your discovery, and that your colleagues were saying it was just another Joni moment. My colleagues are the same (around Joni and bicycling, especially the Tour de France...when Lance Armstrong won they were congratulating me..too funny). Keep talking. I also liked your "thoughtfully observing and reflecting" spin on lurking. I lurk...I admit it. I also go where ever I can to be with fellow lovers of the music, lyrics and worldview of Joni Mitchell. If you find yourself coming up to Boston let us know, as there are a bunch of us up in these parts. Remember this Each new day Is a kiss Sent from up above With an angel's love So here's to you May your skies be blue And your love blessed That's my best to you Happy Valentine's Day, everyone. love, Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Parlette [mailto:loveuconn@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:00 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! Dear All You Wonderful JMDLers: Hi loves! My name is Patti and I've been reading along here for far too many months, waiting to jump in and say hello. (I don't like the expression "lurking" -- I prefer "thoughtfully observing and reflecting"!) As she has for many of you, Joni has provided the soundtrack for my life, starting with STAS in 1969 when I was in 9th grade. I have so many Joni moments to share, but those will have to wait a bit, because my computer usage time is limited. For now, I will enter your wonderful world with some exciting news: there is a new scholarly book being released in October 2004 entitled: "Elvis Costello, Joni Mitchell, and the Torch Song Tradition." Is that cool or WHAT? I work in academia (University of Connecticut -- GO HUSKIES!) and the other day a new catalog crossed my desk from Praeger, a division of the Greenwood Publishing Group. I was fliipping through pages of what looked like some interesting books when -- OHMYGOD -- I saw the name "Joni Mitchell" and I nearly fell off my chair! I even let out a little gasp, and some colleagues came running over to see what was the matter. When they realized that it was just Patti having another Joni moment, they shook their heads with a knowing smile and went back to work. (I love all of my colleagues, but some of them JUST DON'T GET IT!!! It drives me crazy! There is, however, ONE Spanish professor who gets it. When I first brought up Joni to him, he told me that she is a "Goddess", and that Hejira is so beautiful and so powerful and so moving that he can only listen to it once a year!). Anyway, this book looks awesome. You can check it out at www.greenwood.com and enter in the author's name as Larry David Smith. (Sorry, I can't access the link at the moment to copy it for you). There is a picture of Joni on the cover (oh, my heart be still!!!) and part of the blurb reads: ".....a unique and invaluable exploration of the craft of two of the last century's most towering musical figures...." So, dear Joni-lovers, this Valentine's Day I offer you all my Joni-love and memories and moments-yet-to-come. Will you take me as I am? Will you? Peace, Patti, who just turned 50 on Monday and is giving herself a magnificent present by diving heart-first into the JMDL waters _________________________________________________________________ Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:32:10 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Can we rename a Joni song? Kerry ___________ The wind is in from Africa Last night I couldn't sleep It sure is hard to leave here Kerry but it's really not my home... Kerry get out your cain I'll put on some silver oh your a mean old daddy but I like you.. _________________________________________________________________ Let the advanced features & services of MSN Internet Software maximize your online time. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200363ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:23:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! now njc I guess --- Patricia Parlette wrote: > Dear All You Wonderful JMDLers: > > Hi loves! My name is Patti and I've been reading > along here for far too > many months, waiting to jump in and say hello. (I > don't like the expression > "lurking" -- I prefer "thoughtfully observing and > reflecting"!) As she has > for many of you, Joni has provided the soundtrack > for my life, starting with > STAS in 1969 when I was in 9th grade. .... Welcome, Patti. I agree with you on the term "lurking". It sounds kind of perverted, doesn't it? ;-) > So, dear Joni-lovers, this Valentine's Day I offer > you all my Joni-love and > memories and moments-yet-to-come. Will you take me > as I am? Will you? Definitely. I like the fact that you called us all loves. That suggests to me that you, too, are a loveable person. Awww, so are we all, gosh darn it! I fell in love with Joni around the same time you did - I guess it's true what they say about first loves. > > Patti, who just turned 50 on Monday and is giving > herself a magnificent > present by diving heart-first into the JMDL waters > Happy birthday then, from one who got there a few months (or maybe more like ten months?) ahead of you, but not quite so far ahead of you as Bob Murphy who is about five minutes younger than me and who likes to rub my nose in it constantly. (That's for you, Smurph, because I know you're out there, lurking, or something.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:11:38 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! njc dear patti: what a lovely jump into the pond of the jmdl! i hope you'll spend a good percentage of your scarce usage time telling us your joni stories, your favorite albums and songs, what other artists float your boat. i've loved talking about joni (i've been here for, yikes, 7 years i think) but i've really loved hearing about and sharing other music too. it's a special place here, though we do have our hot-headed moments. cheers to you patrick oh i forgot, the book looks fascinating, so thanks. and you made the first report. the newbie scoops! np (now playing) * chet baker - 1966 pueblo, "i'm old fashioned" "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >Patricia Parlette >Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:00 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: will you take me as i am? i have some exciting joni news! > > >Dear All You Wonderful JMDLers: > >Hi loves! My name is Patti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:35:57 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Gircle Game continued All, There is something about Circle Game that is so unforgettable. To think that she thought it "sucked" when she first wrote it (she was always so critical of herself back then)--Tom Rush said it was the best tune he had ever heard. I know that I heard it several times on AM radio during the 60's--Buffy, Tom Rush, or Ian and Silvia might have song it then. I was just a spacey kid back then (14 in '66) so I didn't pay much attention to popular music besides the Beatles, Roger Miller and Hee Haw. When I recieved the Miles of Aisles album in '74 then it all clicked-- Joni did this! Joni wrote this?!!! WOW! Circle Game held a lot of meaning for me back then and still does today. Best to all, Jono ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:51:30 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Candidate Kerry njc - pc Politics formed in the crucible of the '60s.... http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110004693 Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:11:17 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: OK...One More and That's IT njc Now HERE'S a 404 error you won't soon forget... http://www.se7en-x.com/oops/ Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:04:34 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 14 On February 14 the following articles were published: 2000: "A Case of Joni" - The Advocate (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=450 2000: "Both Sides Now" - VH1 Website (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=455 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #71 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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