From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #68 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 11 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 068 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni in drama [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni in drama [Chris Marshall ] Re: Art and FTR, and songs about Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni in drama [AzeemAK@aol.com] RE: House exchange NJC ["Maggie McNally" ] Dylan's defense (njc) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Recurring cat thread, njc ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Joni as "big sister" and expression of God's love (was: lechangement) ["Donna Binkley" ] grammys - njc ["ron" ] Re: Hi [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Recurring cat thread, njc ["ron" ] from the mouths of babes [jan ] Re: grammys - njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Hello! ["Tom Barker" ] the debut of FREDGRASS - brazen self-promotion njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Hello! ["amelio747" ] Re: grammys - njc ["hell" ] Re: Recurring cat thread, njc ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: a perfect scrabble game!(njc) ["Martin Giles" ] cat story [Jennifer Faulkner ] Hi Jennifer! [Gary Zack ] Re: Hello! [Randy Remote ] RE: Hello! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Today's Library Links: February 11 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:37:21 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Joni in drama Got in the car after a game of tennis at about 10.50 this morning. BBC Radio 4 was tuned in and the program was Woman's Hour, half way through a serialised drama it seemed. Apart from the fact it had some nice guitar instrumental in it I wasn't really paying any attention until I heard the line "As Joni Mitchell wrote in her 197? hit - you don't always know what you've got til it's gone." Then 2 of the characters started singing it. On getting home I checked the web site and found that the play was "Making Hay" by Sue Teddern. I don't know anything about her I'm afraid. You'll be able to listen to it at the website soon (it's episode 2). BBC - Radio 4 - Woman's Hour - Drama Also of interest is the fact that they interviewed June Tabor yesterday which is also worth listening to. BBC - Radio 4 - Woman's Hour - Folk singer June Tabor Congratulations to her for winning the Radio 2 Folk award last night. "An Echo of Hooves"is a really great album IMO. Jacky Making Hay by Sue Teddern Making Hay by Sue Teddern ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:59:09 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Joni in drama On 10 Feb 2004, at 11:37, Gertus@aol.com wrote: > I wasn't really paying any attention until I heard the line "As Joni > Mitchell wrote in her 197? hit - you don't always know what you've got > til it's > gone." Am I the only one who gets wound up into a froth by this though? Nice as the mention is, it would have been nicer if THEY'D GOT THE FRICKING TITLE RIGHT!!! And the words. (Aaaaaand relax.) Nice that the author's heart is in the right place, shame the mind was in neutral at the time. Incidentally, apropos the Folk Awards on radio 2, last night they interviewed Sarah McLachlan on the album chart show. This show and the programs that Jacky mentioned can be found on the BBC website:- For Woman's Hour (misnomer - nearly always interesting to me):- http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4 (The play will be in the last 15 minutes of the 45 minute program) For the album chart show:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2 Both sites have a "listen again" section where you can stream any program you like from the previous week. - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:18:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Art and FTR, and songs about Joni **Does > anyone know if the song "Mama Lion" refers to Joni?** Randy answered your question Jon, but in case you haven't checked it out, there's a nice listing of "Songs about Joni" at JM.com: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Lists/InspiredBy/InspiredByJMYear.htm And a new one: last week on ebay a Joni-inspired track called "Joni" released by the Hudson Brothers (one of whom is Kate Hudson's dad). Bob NP: The Uptown Trio, "Song For Sharon" Oooh yeah! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:16:42 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in drama In a message dated 10/02/2004 12:05:00 GMT Standard Time, chris@hatstand.org writes: << Am I the only one who gets wound up into a froth by this though? Nice as the mention is, it would have been nicer if THEY'D GOT THE FRICKING TITLE RIGHT!!! And the words. (Aaaaaand relax.) >> Well, I heard this too, and though they did get the words wrong, they didn't get the title wrong, in that the guy didn't say the song was actually *called* "you don't know what you've got etc" Anyway, I agree about Women's Hour, which is nearly always worth listening to. June Tabor was magnificent yesterday, and they've featured all sorts of great singers over the years, including Amy Winehouse, Joss Stone, Ruby Turner, Lisa Stansfield, Rosie Brown, etc etc. Christine Collister's been on it too, of course... Azeem in London NP: Rae & Christian with Texas - The Hush. Good new album from R & C, snapped up for two quid - result! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:02:42 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: House exchange NJC Hello Mike, Jerry, et al. This idea has been germinating in my mind for some time now. I live in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and have this idea that when I get old enough to retire (or semi-retire) that I would like to live in some of the places I have visited and fallen in love with (France, England, Italy, Brazil, places in the US and places I have yet to discover because I am still traveling!). Since I live in a college town (Harvard, M.I.T., to name two colleges), I figure I can find visiting professors with whom to swap for either a semester or a school year. Wouldn't that be cool? But it had never occurred to me to suggest it for a week or a couple of weeks. What a great idea! The things that make me nervous are the care and loving of my two cats and that I have tenants to worry about...can you imagine being on vacation and hearing that the tenants called to say the plumbing had backed up? Oy! As for being put up, I know that has happened a lot as a result of this list. The best thing about that is that you have a built-in tour guide who shows or directs you to the coolest of places. Last spring Patrick not only put me up in his Manhattan condo, but he showed me one of the best places to have a drink on a late spring night - the top of MOMA with world-class art and Manhattan at your feet. And that was just one stop along the way. Yes sir, this list is something special. Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Notaro [mailto:notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:19 PM To: mike pritchard; Joni List Subject: Re: House exchange NJC Mike, I have often wondered why a wonderful world wide list like ours has never been used in this way. I hope you are successful in finding an exchange, and that we may be able to set up a more permanent one as perhaps part of JMDL.com. I have a great house here in Florida. It isn't on the beach, but it is a short few blocks from the water and a 5 minute drive to a beach. Even if members couldn't set up a direct time for time exchange, we could maybe "put each other" up in exchange for the same when that person travels to another location. It has often been done as part of the various Jonifests held through the year in an informal way. Maybe we could formalize it a bit to the benefit of our list members. Just an idea that Mikes post jogged in my head. Jerry > Are there any New Yorker jonilistas interested in a house exchange with a > Catalan family during the month of July? > I have some friends who wish to exchange their house just outside Barcelona > for an apartment in New York City for two or three weeks this July or August. > They are a couple and their two teenage children. Their house (detached) is 20 > mins by train from the centre of Barcelona and the trains run every 10 > minutes. The house is built in the 'Modernista' (Art Nouveau) style made > famous by Gaudi, Domenech i Montaner etc. and is a really attractive building > with a front garden and a small patio behind the house used for eating meals > during the summer. > Their plan is to spend one week or so in NYC and then travel to Canada for a > couple of weeks. I imagine that their house would be available throughout the > time they are away so that you could get more time in their house than they > spend in yours. I stress that 'I imagine' - I am not trying to arrange this > deal, I only wish to put the two parties into contact with each other. I know > the family personally and they are great people, totally trustworthy. > Let me know offlist if you feel you could offer them a place during this > period. > Thanks for the bandwidth. > mike in barcelona > NP Guru/Branford Marsalis - Transit Ride ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:22:57 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Dylan's defense (njc) I'm on a bit of a Hejira at the moment, and just now able to access e-mail, so forgive me for jumping in so late on this one, but.... Anne wrote: <> I agree wholeheartedly. What is with everyone? Dylan's posts have been interesting, informative, and ones I definitely look forward to reading. I totally believe you are who you say you are, Dylan, and believe you are 13, but more importantly, you are a valued member of this list *regardless* of your age. I was 12 years old in 1968 when I first heard Joni and was blown away by her. Perhaps I wouldn't have been as eloquent as Dylan at that age, but if the internet was around back then to the extent it is now, I would have probably joined this list, and would have hoped to have been welcomed by all of you. If I ever find my way to Sydney again, you can be sure I will look forward to meeting you as I did other JMDLers in 1999. Dylan has brought no harm here, only interesting thoughts and intelligent discussion. Where is the tolerance? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:55:56 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Recurring cat thread, njc I'll play along with this one, I love cats. Years ago I had a cat and a rabbit living with me in a tiny apartment. At night I would let the rabbit out of his cage and they would run round and round the couch chasing each other, mostly the cat chasing the rabbit. Then the rabbit would stop, set completely still for about 5 seconds, jump straight up in the air, turn, land facing the opposite direction and take off! Freaked the cat out everytime. db This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:01:30 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Joni as "big sister" and expression of God's love (was: lechangement) I thoroughly enjoyed this too Laura, will your husband be coming with you to Jonifest? db >>> "Timothy Spong" 2/9/2004 7:56:06 PM >>> This is marvelous, Laura. Thank you for posting it. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. Laura ( LCStanley7@aol.com) wrote: > When I think of Joni, I think of her as a continuum, like she's the >same today and tomorrow and yesterday... but changing. Change is something >I've >had a hard time embracing at times. Once when I was having dealing with >the >death of a loved one, my husband introduced me to the song Judy Collins >(sorry >Kevin!!) sang that goes: "Everything must chaaaaange, nothing and no one >stays the same, everything must chaaange, nothing and no one staaays the >same. >Except rain falls from the clouds, sun lights up the skies, humming birds >flyyyyyyyy." There is something that stays the same about Joni despite the >change, >some kind of exception. > > It really is neat to be able to have grown up with Joni. She is >like >a big sister to me in a sense. I look up to her and have learned from her >and >feel loved by her even though we've never met. After being tired of dating >troubled guys, I prayed the prayer in her song "The Same Situation", "I >said >'send me somebody who's strong, and somewhat sincere" and then I met the >beautiful man I eventually married... also a Joni fan, a gift from God. >Through her >song, my big sister told me to pray so I did; it was very natural, and the >answer to the prayer has been coming up on 19 years of marital bliss >including 3 >beautiful children. > > Sometimes I get very enthusiastic about thanking God for Joni >because >she is such an awesome expression God's love. I know people on the list >call >her a goddess sometimes, well, I have to agree with that in part, because >God >very obviously expresses the divine through her. She glorifies God in the >way >she brings so much love and truth into the world through her songs. > > I hope and pray Joni stays healthy so we can enjoy her presence for >many years to come. And, when the time comes for her to fly with the >seagulls.... I hope she will be able to know the depth of my appreciation >for her then >because I could never adequately convey it in this life. > >Love, love, love, >Laura > _________________________________________________________________ Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and beyond. http://special.msn.com/network/celebrateromance.armx This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:16:16 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Recurring cat thread, njc Cute story..Donna. My nephew had a cat that loved to be suctioned by the vacuum attachment. Whereas most cats freak out when they hear the vacuum started, he welcomed it. I love dogs..all animals..but cats absolutely fascinate me. Bree >I'll play along with this one, I love cats. > >Years ago I had a cat and a rabbit living with me in a tiny apartment. >At night I would let the rabbit out of his cage and they would run round >and round the couch chasing each other, mostly the cat chasing the >rabbit. Then the rabbit would stop, set completely still for about 5 >seconds, jump straight up in the air, turn, land facing the opposite >direction and take off! Freaked the cat out everytime. > >db > > >This message has been scanned by the E250. _________________________________________________________________ Let the advanced features & services of MSN Internet Software maximize your online time. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200363ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:25:20 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni wins a Grammy! I didn't see the Grammys, but in the 800-plus miles I've driven in the past several days, I've listened to a *lot* of music. I just want to go on record (again!) as loving Travelogue. Her matured voice, and style on these CD's really speaks to me, as I "grow older" along with Joni. A lot of the songs take on a deeper meaning to me as I hear them this way. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:51:18 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Hi All, I have talked about moving back to Washington State this spring. And, I have also talked about submitting applications to various Ph.D schools. What I haven't talked about was my dream of going through the "inside passage" to Alaska on a fishing boat and commercially fishing the salmon "openers". Bellingham (WA) is one of the jumping off points to do this. All I need to do is to talk one of the captains out there to take me on as a deckhand (or a cook maybe). If I can obtain a laptop by that time, I will keep the group abreast of my adventures through my hotmail account. This will probably happen in May of this year. I recently read that Joni was a master "salmonburger" chef. Here's my question to the group. Does Joni like to fish? Does she enjoy fishing? Jono ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:35:03 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: grammys - njc hi if i understand it correctly, janet jackson was given the boot from the grammys, while justin was still allowed to play. now - if thats true it gives me a real problem - besides the obvious sexist thing, why would janets flash cause her to be excluded. who wrote the code of acceptable behaviour? as far as im concerned that is really, really sick. its just like little kids squabbling & saying we dont like what you did so you cant play with us..... please - dont for a minute think i approve of what they did. i really think it was both inappropriate and pathetic. its just that i think that the grammys were even more inappropriate in their actions.......... or was the story i heard about her exclusion not true - in which case ignore all of the above :-) ron np - albert frost - crwaling kingsnake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:16:01 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hi Subject: Re: Recurring cat thread, njc hi im sitting with a real problem at the moment - two cats who fght like, well, cat & cat cat number one was badly injured in a fight & spent the last 3 weeks at the vets. while he was away, i finally gave in to the beautiful little stray living at our office. shes a cross siamese and tabby - with siamese colouring & stripes she really is stunning. she was a stray since birth, and moving her into the flat & seeing her adjust to life inside was just plain fascinating. she now just plain refuses to set foot outside - kinda like - well ive been outside before, it aint nice, and i aint going out there again (she is also totally taken with "food on demand", especially people food, sleeping on beds, knocking things over, and has taken to the litter tray after discovering that, no matter how hard she tries, she cannot bury the evidence on the couch or on a bed. she has also taken to attacking toes at 4.00 am - in other words - shes now a regular, everyday domestic. that darned cat............................. then last night cat one came home from the vet. he has now been rechristened frankie, after frankenstein, somewhere in the region of 50 stitches in bright purple thread left me with no choice on the name.......... the problem now is that both cats think they own the flat. cat one is twice the size of cat two, and despite still being stitched up has not hesitated to beat the snot out of her. trying to separate them has led to some fairly extensive bleeding on my part - they apparently do not appreciate being disturbed while arguing the toss over whos the boss................. i know have one cat living in the study, and one living in the rest of the house. they take shifts in each area - and i try to spend a little time in each. now i know how a bigmist must feel :-) so can i interest anyone in an incredibly beautiful, friendly (except to othercats), affectionate (ditto) little cat, shes had all her injections, is spayed, and microchipped (bionic cat????),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ron np - albert frost - kammekastig land ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:05:54 -0800 From: jan Subject: from the mouths of babes >http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1135399,00.html > >Under eights v middle eights > >Jack Black tears up the timetable and the classroom with his riffs in >School Of Rock. But what do real kids think of classic guitar >anthems, asks Johnny Dee > >Saturday January 31, 2004 >The Guardian > >Buoyed by a plentiful supply of Coca-Cola, Wotsits and Jammie >Dodgers, Gabrielle (six), Ben (six), Holly (seven), Beth (seven), >Benjamin (seven) and Sophie (six) - all friends from an infant school >in north London - were willing guinea pigs in our experiment to >discover if children could enjoy crusty old rock music. > >Eight songs were chosen to represent classic rock's rich tapestry - >from the Who's legendary Substitute to Nirvana's vintage grunge >masterpiece, Smells Like Teen Spirit. As well as gauging their >opinions we tested their endurance by allowing them to stop the song >when they became bored and posed the all important question: is this >better than Busted? > >The Who: Substitute (1966) > >What the grown-ups say: "Substitute is an ironic comment on the gulf >between image and reality, set to one of Pete's trickiest little >riffs, all driven along by a ringing open D string. A bona fide pop >classic." (www.thewho.net) > >What the kids say: >Holly It sounds like when your wee goes back up. >Beth Is this the Beatles? >Gabrielle It's too rough and horrible. >Holly It's a good tune but the singing is not good. >Ben This is brilliant. >Beth Ugh. I was born with Plasticine in my mouth? >Benjamin He's getting things stuck in his mouth and he can't chew. >Ben And he's been arrested by a substitute. >Attention span: 40 seconds. >Better than Busted? "No way!" > >The Doors: Touch Me (1969) > >What the grown-ups say: "Their sound was minor-keyed and >subterranean, bluesy and spacey, and their subject matter was sex, >death and getting high." (Rolling Stone) > >What the kids say: >Beth Is this Beethoven? >Ben I like all the sounds. It's about a man and a woman... >Sophie ...And they're going on holiday to Cyprus. >Gabrielle It's too pointy. >Holly This is stupid. >Benjamin This is not music. >Holly And it's not as good as Busted. >Attention span: 28 seconds. >Better than Busted? "Er. No." > >Cream: Sunshine Of Your Love (1967) > >What the grown-ups say: "The big hook of Sunshine Of Your Love is a >grinding, instantly memorable hard-rock riff, stuttering between two >notes before hellishly descending for a few more, then rising in an >upward squiggle." (www.allmusic.com) > >What the kids say: >Gabrielle Argh! Vampires! >Beth Ooh, I think this is by my dad. >Ben This song is about a man and a woman and it's a bad marriage. >Holly It sounds like something spooky. It's like the Pink Panther. >Sophie I don't like it. It's worse than football. My dad watches >football all the time and I have to leave the room. My dad went to >watch football in Australia. >Ben This is rock music but you could play it at a disco. >Benjamin Yeah, at a dude disco. >Sophie No, not Australia, somewhere like Australia but different. >Attention span: One minute. >Better than Busted? "Some of it." > >Led Zeppelin: Immigrant Song (1970) > >What the grown-ups say: "... bulldozer rhythms and Plant's double- >tracked wordless vocal croonings echoing behind the main vocal like >some cannibal chorus wailing in the infernal light of a savage >fertility rite." (Rolling Stone) > >What the kids say: >Holly This isn't singing, it's just screaming. >Benjamin I like the screaming. >Holly I really like it apart from the screaming. >Ben Is he upset? >Gabrielle This sounds like Busted. >Sophie It's a witch singing. >Beth It's kind of eeeevol. I'm going to watch Lord Of The Rings Three >next week. >Holly No you're not. >Beth Am. >Holly Not. >Attention span: 43 seconds. >Better than Busted? "It's not as good as The Year 3000." > >Nirvana: Smells Like Teen Spirit (1991) > >What the grown-ups say: "... reflects Kurt Cobain's skilful mingling >of Stooges'-style brute yobbism (grinding guitars and yelping >vocals), American punk and late 1970s art rock." (NME) > >What the kids say: >Ben This is amazing. The bass is amazing. It's brilliant. >Holly I like him singing, "Hello, hello, hello" - that's funny. >Sophie It's making me think about doing bad things like putting >snowballs down my sister's back. >Benjamin This would definitely win Pop Idol. >Holly Good, goodbye, goodbye. >Benjamin 12 out of 10. Actually 3000 out of 3000. >Attention span: Whole song. >Better than Busted? "Yes." > >Jimi Hendrix: Crosstown Traffic (1968) > >What the grown-ups say: "In a sense, Jimi's Stratocaster is more >articulate and speaks with more poetic beauty than he, or almost any >other singer, possibly could... The music possesses a oneness which >allows it to move as a whole, creating a more euphonious appeal." >(Teen Ink) > >What the kids say: >Beth My sister played this at her school concert. They played this >and Bare Necessities. This is better than Bare Necessities. >Holly It's a bit boring. >Benjamin I'd give this a trillion out of a billion. >Gabrielle It's making me feel all dizzy. Can I have some juice? >Benjamin It's about a crossed-out Christmas. Maybe Father Christmas >has been crossed out. >Gabrielle Maybe he's been run over. >Attention span: One minute five seconds. >Better than Busted? "No." > >The Sex Pistols: Anarchy In The UK (1977) > >What the grown-ups say: "They play with an energy and conviction that >is positively transcendent in its madness and fever... It has an Ahab- >versus-Moby-Dick power that can shake you like no other music today >can." (Rolling Stone) > >What the kids say: >Gabrielle It's a bit scary. >Beth This isn't scary, it's funny. >Holly He sounds like the baddie in Scooby Doo at the end. >Benjamin I don't like it. >Ben I love it. It's all about this man and he's trying to destroy >boxes of oil and stuff. >Beth Who's Annie Key? >Sophie Can we play musical statues now? >Attention span: 44 seconds. >Better than Busted? "Not one bit." > >Bob Dylan: Like A Rolling Stone (1965) > >What the grown-ups say: "Dylan drives his inspiration and imagination >to even greater heights... Anger, hatred, disgust, defiance, >disbelief, apathy, ignorance, repugnance; it's all here." >(Earthsound) > >What the kids say: >Beth This is not good. >Holly He said bums. >Ben Brilliant, this is just brilliant. >Sophie He sounds like he's just smelled something really bad, like >cat poo. >Holly Bums on sticks. >Ben It's great. I actually really like it. >Benjamin Twenty trillion out a septillion. >Holly This sounds really really old. >Benjamin It's like mouldy old bread. >Attention span: 15 seconds. >Better than Busted? "It's stupid, Busted aren't stupid." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:04:46 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: grammys - njc That's incorrect according to everything I've read, the latest being the official statement from CBS: ____________________________________________________ CBS-TV released a statement towards the end of the Grammys telecast Sunday (February 8) regarding the rumors surrounding Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake's participation in the 46th Annual Grammy Awards. The CBS statement explains, "Throughout the week, CBS and The Recording Academy have been evaluating and deliberating the appropriateness of Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake appearing at The 46th Annual Grammy Awards. CBS had serious reservations about their scheduled appearances; however, we respected the Recording Academy's wishes to produce the program they originally intended. Ms. Jackson and Mr. Timberlake were invited to participate in the show as long as they agreed to apologize on the air for what happened during our network's broadcast of the 'Super Bowl Halftime Show.' Ms. Jackson declined." ____________________________________________________________ Latest rumor...she's planning to write a song about the whole thing. Bob, trying to stay abreast of all the latest... NP: Joe Jackson, "A Slow Song" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:22:06 +0000 From: "Tom Barker" Subject: Hello! Sorry in advance if any of this isn't proper jmdl etiquette... ;-) Hi everyone, my name is Tom and I live in the UK and have been a fan of Joni's for about two years now. I've joined this list because I want to get to know fellow joni fans! Nobody I know likes her or knows of her (to my knowledge... I am 19 so I suppose that plays a part) so I'm on here in desperate need to talk more about Joni. I just hope that this is a really good discussion lost and not one that is dead right now! I first came across Joni watching a Tv show. "Woodstock" was playing in the background and I feell in love with that song instantly and had to discover who was singing it. When I discovered it was by some woman called "Joni Mitchell" (yes I had never heard of her... shocking!), I went to my local record store and bought LOTC. It's now one of my favourite albums, partly because it was the first album that introduced me to Joni. "The Circle Game" would be my fave off the album, it's a really poignant song IMO. Then I got deeper and deeper into joni fanaticism (is that spelt right?) and I now own about 6 of her albums. There is still a lot of her music that I have not heard... I don't own nor have listened to "Hejira" yet and I'm told it's one of her best albums so I'd best get with it! I recently bought a guitar too and am learning to play that... something I feel I would not have done if I had never picked up a Joni album. Anyway, I'll shut up about me and I hope that someone out there is reading this or else I've just wasted 10 minutes on an e-mail! Tom xx _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:43:07 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: the debut of FREDGRASS - brazen self-promotion njc Dear friends, well-wishers, and the merely curious: I hope you can make it to this very special event. I'm elated to offer the debut of a new group, FREDGRASS, playing new and old compositions of mine through a bluegrass filter. Come for the music, stay for the hang. Your fred, Fred ================================= Chicago Jazz Composers Collective presents: FREDGRASS Fred Simon - composer, piano Don Stiernberg - mandolin, guitar, fiddle Brian Wilkie - pedal steel, guitar Dave Onderdonk - guitar, harmonica Ingrid Graudins - voice Larry Kohut - bass Sarah Allen - drums, percussion - ------- Also appearing on the program is composer/saxophonist Mitch Paliga and ensemble ================================= Sunday, February 15, 2004, 2-4 PM at the Green Mill, 4802 N. Broadway, Chicago, IL (773) 878-5552 ================================= *** ABSOLUTELY WE WILL SPREAD OUR GROOVE AND INTERNATIONAL FEELING *** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:09:19 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Hello! Hi Tom, I love LOTC right the way through and "The Circle Game" is a really special song. It's so universal and will always set me in one of those kinda' happy moods! Hejira really shocked me when I first heard it but it really is great and one of her best, and besides most of Joni's albums were like a puzzle to me when I first heard them! I too know what you mean about no one you know 'getting' Joni. I'm 21 and most people my age like some kind or another of commercial music. Yuck! We also have a 13 year old list member too, so maybe Joni's gonna make some kind of a comeback (tastefully) which would be nice! * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Barker" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:22 PM Subject: Hello! > Sorry in advance if any of this isn't proper jmdl etiquette... ;-) > > Hi everyone, my name is Tom and I live in the UK and have been a fan of > Joni's for about two years now. I've joined this list because I want to get > to know fellow joni fans! Nobody I know likes her or knows of her (to my > knowledge... I am 19 so I suppose that plays a part) so I'm on here in > desperate need to talk more about Joni. I just hope that this is a really > good discussion lost and not one that is dead right now! > > I first came across Joni watching a Tv show. "Woodstock" was playing in the > background and I feell in love with that song instantly and had to discover > who was singing it. When I discovered it was by some woman called "Joni > Mitchell" (yes I had never heard of her... shocking!), I went to my local > record store and bought LOTC. It's now one of my favourite albums, partly > because it was the first album that introduced me to Joni. "The Circle Game" > would be my fave off the album, it's a really poignant song IMO. > > Then I got deeper and deeper into joni fanaticism (is that spelt right?) and > I now own about 6 of her albums. There is still a lot of her music that I > have not heard... I don't own nor have listened to "Hejira" yet and I'm told > it's one of her best albums so I'd best get with it! I recently bought a > guitar too and am learning to play that... something I feel I would not have > done if I had never picked up a Joni album. > > Anyway, I'll shut up about me and I hope that someone out there is reading > this or else I've just wasted 10 minutes on an e-mail! > > Tom > xx > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:17:23 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: grammys - njc Ron wrote: > if i understand it correctly, janet jackson was given the boot from the > grammys, while justin was still allowed to play. > > now - if thats true it gives me a real problem - besides the obvious sexist > thing, why would janets flash cause her to be excluded. who wrote the code of > acceptable behaviour? as far as im concerned that is really, really sick. I was watching the Rolling Stone 20th Anniversary special yesterday (incidentally Ash - Joni has two brief appearances (no songs) on this video, the first talking about Woodstock, and the second about commercialism, which is pretty funny. She says something like "OK, so we realised we couldn't change the world, we couldn't change ourselves, so we might as well just make money!") Anyway, Grace Slick said something I thought was interesting: "And that's what rock and roll ought to be. Every five years or so - their ideas and image - the kids ought to come up and just hit you right in the face. I don't mean breaking noses, but I mean what it is they have to say and dressing different, so that adults are going "Oh, God!" Yeah, that's it, you know, make 'em throw up. Yeah." Seems to me that Justin and Janet did exactly that at the Superbowl - rightly or wrongly, it's certainly created the kind of reaction that Grace is talking about! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - now even MORE new and improved! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:33:30 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Recurring cat thread, njc Actually Ron, cat one is probably experiencing normal jealousy at his turf being invaded by the little newcomer. Plus having just been injured so severely he's probably not feeling too cuddly anyway. You might try giving cat one some extra attention to let him know he's not been forgotten etc. And basically let them work it out in their own time. It may not work out, but it's been my experience that they usually do get used to each other with time and can learn to coexist fairly peacefully. You probably already know all this , but food for thought. I know what you mean about strays adjusting to a real home life. 2 years ago 2 stray dogs adopted me who I believe had been badly abused before I found them. They hid under the house and only came out when I left food out. They were terrifed at the prospect of coming into the house, it took 6 months before one of them would even let me touch him. But now they are 4 feet to the sky on my bed most nights and hugs and kisses are on every day's agenda. db (resident of the "Animal Farm") >>> "ron" 2/10/2004 12:37:11 PM >>> hi im sitting with a real problem at the moment - two cats who fght like, well, cat & cat cat number one was badly injured in a fight & spent the last 3 weeks at the vets. while he was away, i finally gave in to the beautiful little stray living at our office. shes a cross siamese and tabby - with siamese colouring & stripes she really is stunning. she was a stray since birth, and moving her into the flat & seeing her adjust to life inside was just plain fascinating. she now just plain refuses to set foot outside - kinda like - well ive been outside before, it aint nice, and i aint going out there again (she is also totally taken with "food on demand", especially people food, sleeping on beds, knocking things over, and has taken to the litter tray after discovering that, no matter how hard she tries, she cannot bury the evidence on the couch or on a bed. she has also taken to attacking toes at 4.00 am - in other words - shes now a regular, everyday domestic. that darned cat............................. then last night cat one came home from the vet. he has now been rechristened frankie, after frankenstein, somewhere in the region of 50 stitches in bright purple thread left me with no choice on the name.......... the problem now is that both cats think they own the flat. cat one is twice the size of cat two, and despite still being stitched up has not hesitated to beat the snot out of her. trying to separate them has led to some fairly extensive bleeding on my part - they apparently do not appreciate being disturbed while arguing the toss over whos the boss................. i know have one cat living in the study, and one living in the rest of the house. they take shifts in each area - and i try to spend a little time in each. now i know how a bigmist must feel :-) so can i interest anyone in an incredibly beautiful, friendly (except to othercats), affectionate (ditto) little cat, shes had all her injections, is spayed, and microchipped (bionic cat????),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ron np - albert frost - kammekastig land This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:24:15 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: a perfect scrabble game!(njc) Oh Mags, Brian, tell me it isn't true, tell me the romance is still there - don't tell me you're playing scrabble together! Oh the sad, slippery slope - - - - - - unless it was Strip Scrabble of course ;~) Martin. In London. > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:26:47 -0800 (PST) > From: magsnbrei > Subject: Re: a perfect scrabble game!(njc) > > nice bit of synchronicity there Victor, as Brian and I were playing scrabble for the first in a very long while yesterday. Between us our collective score wasnt as high as yours LOL! > > after that, we played Backgammon, which Ive only played once before and look forward to learning some other strategies besides ah shit..I didnt see that one! ;-) > > Mags, who wants to know what dictionary Victor uses ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:33:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: cat story Hello, I'm not sure if this is going to work, but hi. I'm Jennifer. Laura Stanley introduced me to Joni and this discussion list. Hi Laura! I've just been a quiet observer since I joined a day or two ago, but when I saw the cat story, I just had to put my own in. My cat, Penelope, turns her nose up at cat treats, but she loves saltine crackers, popcorn, and olive juice (the vinegar in the olive jar) and olives. Also, has anyone here heard of a group called Free Design? They have a song called "Love you". For a listen, go to www.juliusandfriends.com and click on cartoons, then click on the cartoon entitled "I love you". The credits to the cartoon say the song was by this group and performed in 1970. I'd love more information about it. Thanks! Jen Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:21:13 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Hi Jennifer! Hi Jennifer and welcome to the list! I'm familiar with The Free Design and have a few of their recordings. One of their hits way back when was a song called "Kites Are Fun" and they've also covered the Laura Nyro song, "Time And Love." I know that their recordings are quite hard to find, the two CDs I have are both released from Japan. They're a cool group and some of their songs have a real child-like quality. Tells us how you first discovered Joni's music. I think all cats love olive juice! I know mine do. Nice to have you here! Best regards, Gary Detroit Jennifer Faulkner wrote: Hello, I'm not sure if this is going to work, but hi. I'm Jennifer. Laura Stanley introduced me to Joni and this discussion list. Hi Laura! I've just been a quiet observer since I joined a day or two ago, but when I saw the cat story, I just had to put my own in. My cat, Penelope, turns her nose up at cat treats, but she loves saltine crackers, popcorn, and olive juice (the vinegar in the olive jar) and olives. Also, has anyone here heard of a group called Free Design? They have a song called "Love you". For a listen, go to www.juliusandfriends.com and click on cartoons, then click on the cartoon entitled "I love you". The credits to the cartoon say the song was by this group and performed in 1970. I'd love more information about it. Thanks! Jen Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:57:30 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Hello! Tom Barker wrote: > Sorry in advance if any of this isn't proper jmdl etiquette... ;-) > > Hi everyone, my name is Tom and I live in the UK and have been a fan of > Joni's for about two years now. I've joined this list because I want to get > to know fellow joni fans! Nobody I know likes her or knows of her (to my > knowledge... I am 19 so I suppose that plays a part) so I'm on here in > desperate need to talk more about Joni. I just hope that this is a really > good discussion lost and not one that is dead right now! Hi Tom- Whether this is a really good discussion list (I think so) or a lost good disgust is in the eye of the e-poster! There is Joni talk-and lots of other talk, too... LOTC was the first Joni album I heard in full, too..I still like it's stark beauty-in that environment, the songs shine. Hejira is like that, too....you need it! Good luck in your guitar playing. If you are interested in alternate tunings, alot of Joni's songs and tunings have been deciphered and posted on the jmdl.com page. Welcome to the list, enjoy ! RR > > > I first came across Joni watching a Tv show. "Woodstock" was playing in the > background and I feell in love with that song instantly and had to discover > who was singing it. When I discovered it was by some woman called "Joni > Mitchell" (yes I had never heard of her... shocking!), I went to my local > record store and bought LOTC. It's now one of my favourite albums, partly > because it was the first album that introduced me to Joni. "The Circle Game" > would be my fave off the album, it's a really poignant song IMO. > > Then I got deeper and deeper into joni fanaticism (is that spelt right?) and > I now own about 6 of her albums. There is still a lot of her music that I > have not heard... I don't own nor have listened to "Hejira" yet and I'm told > it's one of her best albums so I'd best get with it! I recently bought a > guitar too and am learning to play that... something I feel I would not have > done if I had never picked up a Joni album. > > Anyway, I'll shut up about me and I hope that someone out there is reading > this or else I've just wasted 10 minutes on an e-mail! > > Tom > xx > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 00:42:26 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Hello! Hey Tom....WELCOME!! So glad you are here and "get" Joni... Chime in whenever so inclined. Bree PS> Hejira....yes...and then let us know what you think. (my ears have never been the same) >From: "Tom Barker" >Reply-To: "Tom Barker" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Hello! >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:22:06 +0000 > >Sorry in advance if any of this isn't proper jmdl etiquette... ;-) > >Hi everyone, my name is Tom and I live in the UK and have been a fan of >Joni's for about two years now. I've joined this list because I want to get >to know fellow joni fans! Nobody I know likes her or knows of her (to my >knowledge... I am 19 so I suppose that plays a part) so I'm on here in >desperate need to talk more about Joni. I just hope that this is a really >good discussion lost and not one that is dead right now! > >I first came across Joni watching a Tv show. "Woodstock" was playing in the >background and I feell in love with that song instantly and had to discover >who was singing it. When I discovered it was by some woman called "Joni >Mitchell" (yes I had never heard of her... shocking!), I went to my local >record store and bought LOTC. It's now one of my favourite albums, partly >because it was the first album that introduced me to Joni. "The Circle >Game" would be my fave off the album, it's a really poignant song IMO. > >Then I got deeper and deeper into joni fanaticism (is that spelt right?) >and I now own about 6 of her albums. There is still a lot of her music that >I have not heard... I don't own nor have listened to "Hejira" yet and I'm >told it's one of her best albums so I'd best get with it! I recently bought >a guitar too and am learning to play that... something I feel I would not >have done if I had never picked up a Joni album. > >Anyway, I'll shut up about me and I hope that someone out there is reading >this or else I've just wasted 10 minutes on an e-mail! > >Tom >xx > >_________________________________________________________________ >Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger _________________________________________________________________ Let the advanced features & services of MSN Internet Software maximize your online time. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200363ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:08:56 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 11 On February 11 the following articles were published: 1991: "Conversation with a wandering dreamer" - The Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1087 1991: "Night Ride Home" - People (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=465 2000: "Both Sides Now" - Entertainment Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=579 2000: "Interview" - CBC "Magazine" (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=904 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #68 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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