From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #65 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 8 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 065 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: house exchange NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: ISO TNT tribute ["Paul Castle" ] NJC Jenny Goodspeed!!!! [Gary Zack ] Re: Standard Surprises Review of BSN [Bobsart48@aol.com] Salon.com News | Michigan: Bad news for Bush njc [vince ] Re: Standard Surprises Review of BSN [Catherine McKay ] Art and FTR ["jlobello" ] Re: No Time For You, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: misfortune, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: misfortune, njc [Catherine McKay ] early Joni ["mia ortlieb" ] Re:gay marriage [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: the Standard Surprises review [LCStanley7@aol.com] music ["ash" ] Re:gay marriage [Catherine McKay ] Re: Salon.com News | Michigan: Bad news for Bush njc [vince Subject: re: house exchange NJC Patrick asked, >>did i say manhattan?<< And speaking of Manhattan... "More optic fibre underlies the island of Manhattan than is threaded across the whole of Africa... and in 2003 only 5 metropolitan regions - New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, London and Washington DC - accounted for 17.7 per cent of the world's total Internet domains. Food for thought. The Cybercities Reader - Ed. Stephen Graham mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:35:56 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: ISO TNT tribute Good to see you still pop into the jmdl cafe from time to time, Greggno - by coincidence I went to your website a couple of days ago to see what you're up to these days and spent some time watching the video of your show at the JFK Centre a while back - 'View from Here' remains one of my favourite songs (your rendition with co-writer Christian Bauman on the Folktrain Jonifest is still etched deep in my goosebump memory banks) so it was great to hear you play this again, with Tom Prasada-Rao (when are you guys gonna cross the pond??) - and I see you're playing with 'America' again later this year - a UK tour with them would be....er...spiffing! btw, re the Folktrain Jonifest, I found your journal entry about the night we nearly left you, Christian and Annie Wenz in the -30 snow at Saskatoon station at http://www.greggcagno.com/huh.html - brought back great memories for this "englishman named Paul". > Help me! I think I've lost my TNT Joni Tribute video Somewhere.....?.....I have an NTSC copy of the tribute show that I've never been able to watch - only listen to - as it's the wrong format for the UK. If no one else steps up, let me know and I'll go rummaging and send it to you, if I can find it. Hope to see you (and Maggie) playing in London one of these days. Very best to you - Saskatoooooooooooon! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 09:26:14 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: NJC Jenny Goodspeed!!!! I received a wonderful gift in the mail a few days ago - I haven't had the good fortune to make it to jonifest yet, maybe this year. So many of you may already know this, but I received a demo from our own Jenny Goodspeed - and all I can say is WOW! Jenny has the most beautiful voice and writes some great songs. The talent we have on this list never ceases to amaze me; and Jenny's voice is beautiful, clear and right-on. The girl can't hit a wrong note, and the clarity of her voice, as well as her vocal expression is just beautiful. Just had to drop this short note - and give praise where praise is due! I'm continuing to enjoy your music Jenny, thanks so much for sending it to me! Best regards, Gary Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:14:19 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Standard Surprises Review of BSN Cul wrote, in part, about the reviewer missing the boat on BSN "...I simply cannot fathom the perspective from which they are listening. How can someone regard that rendition of BSN to be "motionless".......... the harmonic tensions provide a huge sense of lift and hovering...........of somewhat sadly looking back at the clouds you are moving upward through.......as one might while shedding their mortal coil....... I found the remake intensely profound to the point that I wept..... as though Mitchell was taking one last look before departing........ it made me feel how it might be to someday I hear the news report that she had died. I wept at that thought and feeling.................. in respect to "A Case of You". Certainly Mitchell "plays" with the phrasing and so-on compared to the original...but that's life...things evolve..." I agree at least 100% with you, Cul (as in Michael - from Mountains ?). I also recall feeling extremely uncomfortable watching Joni perform that for the first time on TV (to close the TNT Tribute concert). In retrospect, I believe this discomfort stemmed from two different sources. First, like so much of Joni's work, the new BSN had incorporated and revealed change (and would take more than one listening for me to fully appreciate, as usual). The second was that there was an undercurrent of this being a goodbye - I still feel bittersweet whenever I revisit that tape and performance. To the reviewer, may I reply on Joni's behalf - ironically, straight from the subject of his review: "But now old friends are acting strange They shake their heads, they say I've changed Well, something's lost, but something's gained In living every day." Viva le changement ! Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:16:01 -0500 From: vince Subject: Salon.com News | Michigan: Bad news for Bush njc http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/02/07/michigan/index.html turned out I made the CBS cutting room floor at the last minute - who knows with abc - but the print media and internet media has been ok... this is all about our real struggles to survive in small town america Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:21:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Jenny Goodspeed!!!! --- Gary Zack wrote: > I received a wonderful gift in the mail a few days > ago - > > I haven't had the good fortune to make it to > jonifest yet, maybe this > year. So many of you may already know this, but I > received a demo from > our own Jenny Goodspeed - and all I can say is WOW! > Jenny has the most > beautiful voice and writes some great songs. Jenny has a beautiful voice, and she is a beautiful person. I had the good fortune to meet her at Jonifest this summer and to be part of her three-part harmony arrangement of "Blue." Jenny is a LOVELY person in every way. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:24:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Standard Surprises Review of BSN --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > Cul wrote, in part, about the reviewer missing the > boat on BSN > "...I simply cannot fathom the perspective from > which they are listening. > How can someone regard that rendition of BSN to be > "motionless".......... the > harmonic tensions provide a huge sense of lift and > hovering...........of > somewhat sadly looking back at the clouds you are > moving upward through.......as > one might while shedding their mortal coil....... I > found the remake intensely > profound to the point that I wept..... I agree with both of you. Maybe the new BSN was too subtle for the reviewer. Some people don't get it unless they're hit over the head with a sledgehammer. The song is uplifting - I felt as if I were soaring through those clouds with Joni. One of the images I get in my head when I listen to that version of the song is of the way clouds look when you're flying through them in an airplane. The clouds are under you banked like snow, and it's all blue sky above. It gives me a feeling of joy mixed with sorrow and I almost always tear up when I hear it. Absolutely beautiful. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:27:51 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Salon.com News | Michigan: Bad news for Bush njc --- vince wrote: > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/02/07/michigan/index.html > > > turned out I made the CBS cutting room floor at the > last minute - > who knows with abc - > > but the print media and internet media has been > ok... > > this is all about our real struggles to survive in > small town america > Hey, Vince - right on! Good for you. Small town America is small town anywhere. You close down a factory in a place like that and the town no longer has any reason to exist. It's sad and terrible and it's happening everywhere. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:26:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Salon.com News | Michigan: Bad news for Bush njc Vince - congrats on making the press, although I'm sorry for the circumstances...and as much as Bush has nary a trace of sense or competence about him, when jobs move to Mexico it's because of NAFTA which we can securely pin on the Clinton administration. BUT if Greenville & other communities like it can rally around the "jobless recovery" issue and get ABB elected, so much the better. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:42:00 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Invitations I earlier suggested: Well, I have a simpler idea. Let's just send Joni a copy of DVD #2 from the 2003 Jonifest, featuring Claudia San Soucie singing and Steve Polifka playing The Banquet, note for note the equal of Joni's performance on FTR. I should have said "Let's attach this to Steve's lovely invitation" Bobsart (still not really kidding) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 15:37:45 -0500 From: cul Subject: Re: Standard Surprises Review of BSN Cheers and plaudits to you both for those excellent descriptions... each so much closer to my idea than the reviewer's. --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: I agree at least 100% with you, Cul (as in Michael - from Mountains ?). I also recall feeling extremely uncomfortable watching Joni perform that for the first time on TV (to close the TNT Tribute concert). In retrospect, I believe this discomfort stemmed from two different sources. First, like so much of Joni's work, the new BSN had incorporated and revealed change (and would take more than one listening for me to fully appreciate, as usual). The second was that there was an undercurrent of this being a goodbye - I still feel bittersweet whenever I revisit that tape and performance. To the reviewer, may I reply on Joni's behalf - ironically, straight from the subject of his review: "But now old friends are acting strangeThey shake their heads, they say I've changed Well, something's lost, but something's gainedIn living every day." Viva le changement ! Bobsart Catherine McKay wrote: I agree with both of you. Maybe the new BSN was too subtle for the reviewer. Some people don't get it unless they're hit over the head with a sledgehammer. The song is uplifting - I felt as if I were soaring through those clouds with Joni. One of the images I get in my head when I listen to that version of the song is of the way clouds look when you're flying through them in an airplane. The clouds are under you banked like snow, and it's all blue sky above. It gives me a feeling of joy mixed with sorrow and I almost always tear up when I hear it. Absolutely beautiful. ===== Catherine Toronto ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:07:57 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Art and FTR Hi folks, OK. I tried to attach some art work, but it appears that it didn't go through. Kate, did you get it? Let me know if you were able to open it. How do you share stuff like this with fellow Joanistas? I tried scanning it at lower resolution and inserting it into the body of this message, but it appears that Outlook isn't letting me insert it. Crap!!! Or, is this sort of thing frowned upon with the group because it might transfer viruses? The central server (at Les Irvin's) probably "weeds" all the attachments out. Oh, well. I just listened to a Graham Nash and David Crosby's live album today. Does anyone know if the song "Mama Lion" refers to Joni? This is what I'm going by--from her FTR album in the song See You Sometime there are these lyrics: I'm feeling so good And my friends tell me That I'm looking fine I run in the woods I spring from the boulders Like a mama lion.... Does anyone know which ex-boyfriend she was referring to in this song? It seemed like a bitter break up at the time. When this was written it was at least a year and a half since her and Graham broke up. Could this person be James Taylor? I can't imagine Joni, Graham and David not being friends. And, presently James speaks glowingly of her--but, as we have all experienced, when the break up is new and fresh, sometimes it takes a couple of year to get back to being friends with someone again. My three favorite songs from FTR are: 1. Judgement of the Moon and stars 2. Cold Blue steel.... 3. FTR (or Electricity) Oh, hell, I all of them. Later, Jono ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:23:21 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: No Time For You, njc Laurent wrote: > Hey Dylan, I thought this was a very mean statement, especially since the > writer really has no evidence to support her opinion. I would be extremely > hurt by such a > sentence, and the fact that you are too proves that you are sensitive enough > to be a Joni fan. So please don't leave for 1 mean person. I believe you and > I'll make time for you anytime. Hi Laurent! I agree it was a mean statement, based on presumptions, but I don't agree that Marianne is a mean person. I know her to be a very nice, loving, and fun person. She's very dear to me and so is Dylan. I think she and Dylan will like each other once they meet, and I hope they do meet. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:33:27 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: misfortune, njc Michael wrote: > I had the misfortune to be publicly spanked by my parents. They had been > called in by the teacher when I refused to admit that I had copied the poem > from somewhere. I never relented and spent the rest of that third grade year > being > called liar and cheat my by my peers. Hi Michael! I can relate to this, but I was much older when a similar thing happened to me. I was in college so I didn't get spanked infront of the class, just publically humiliated. I had written a paper in a class called Communisn, Fascism, and Democracy, and the professor insisted I had copied it from somewhere, and he assured me it was only a matter of time before he found out from where. That was years ago, and I hope he's quit looking by now. It is no fun to be called a liar, especially publically. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:01:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: misfortune, njc --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: I had written a paper in a > class called Communisn, > Fascism, and Democracy, and the professor insisted I > had copied it from > somewhere, and he assured me it was only a matter of > time before he found out from > where. That was years ago, and I hope he's quit > looking by now. It is no fun to > be called a liar, especially publically. It would be more satisfying if he were still looking, and spent his entire life looking, but never found anything. Kind of like a curse. Yeah, I'm being mean, but so what? ;-] ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:15:09 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: early Joni <<1961 (?) 00-00-61 CKBI-TV Prince Albert SK Canada Half-hour local television show based on an interview with Joni, plus her performance of a few unidentified songs. Dating of this program is uncertain-the producer thinks it could have been as early as 1959 or 1960!>> Has anyone here ever seen this one? I'm wondering if this is the show where Joni once stated that the network pulled a moose-hunting show and stuck her on instead. Oh, how I would love to get my hands on a copy of this!! Joni as a teeny-bopper! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 17:32:37 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re:gay marriage well i'm gay and i think i should be able to legally marry my lover. so there's my 2 cents ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:03:06 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: the Standard Surprises review Michael wrote: > ..they paint a perfect sense of the sensation of somewhat > sadly looking back at the clouds you are moving upward through as one > might while shedding their mortal coil and describe the motion of clouds > themselves. I found the remake intensely profound to the point that I > wept. It was as though Mitchell was taking one last look before departing > for regions unknown. In fact, it made me feel how it might be to someday > I hear the news report that she had died. I wept at that thought and > feeling. Motionless? I don't think so, pal. WOW Michael, this is really deep and very beautiful!!! The song BSN definitely reaches beyond time. Thank you for sharing this. Love and awe, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:33:46 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: music I'm sure your interested in my record collection? well last Thursday I received from my Ebay seller a CD copy of "Taming the Tiger"...mmmm yes I miss those big vinyl covers....well I listened to the album...mmmmm well I will have to give it another listen. Friday my other EBay purchase came the CD of "Miles of Aisles" came and yes there is commentary missing! aaah well (the CD is made in Germany and has only one date 1974....did we have CD's then?) ..but let me tell you.....how did I miss this album?????? track 4 ...."Woodstock".......that intro!!!! WOW!! Now I am a great believer in the 'hook' or intro...was it Malcolm Mc Claren (Sex Pistols manager) ? said if a song does not grab you in the 1st 5 seconds...don't bother! well I am not that extreme...but this version of "Woodstock."....I was brought up short...what it reminded me of...was Springsteen...The Faces, Eric Clapton..the Doors on "Absolutely Live" (that piano) also Elton John (Yellow Brick Road?) but best of all, it was similar to...that intro on the Rolling Stone's, "Exile on Main Street"....that I will have to go and listen to and that intro will be in my head all week.......which leads into my most favourite song with the best intro that IS the song The Pretenders..off their 1st Album, the song, "Mystery Achievement"...this is my pre dance record..before I go out partying to get me in the mood (yeah there is a bit of air guitaring in there !) but this "Woodstock" is sooooo SASSY!!! and even for the missing bits its a classic album!! So last Saturday I went with the wife around the garage sales......and at the last house..there in the corner I picked up at cheapo prices..3 brill Cds.... So with my bargains I dashed home. The 1st was The Yes album (2003) with 3 extra songs!!! well this was wonderful....Mr. Steve Howe you still rock!.....but 3 extra songs?? er they were just songs I had and they seemed to have been just added on!...ahh well still the music stands up.....the words...yep..still don't make sense..but clever?. Next album is the brilliant Rory Gallagher's "Against the Grain" (1975?) this 1999 CD...but mmmm a lot of this had dated...I was thinking where is my copy of the always great "Irish Tours"..but still a master class record...it gets those a tappin...but what I enjoy is seeing me at one of his concerts (in my mind) and shaking/headbanging!..I had hair then!!! and last Jefferson Airplane/Starship's "Hits" (1998) well its 2 CDs........and the 1st Cd..is well so mmmmm BLAAAAAH!!!! ..sorry but I just don't get it?..why did people go mad over them? (will that get my Newbie licence revoked??????) but I was trying to listen..thinking..I could be listening to "Woodstock"! So I put on the 2nd CD and yes there were some good songs...but the only one I really liked was "Jane"...great guitaring (and this type of guitaring on the Joni albums of this period I like the most!) but HIS voice..awful! But actually "Runaway" and "Built this city"...still retain for me that sense of mmm that was a good time..I love the film "Desperately seeking Susan.. so I did really well. After hearing the new version of "" Somebody to Love"....I played to my 15 year old son the Airplanes one then continued playing the Cd..this is while my son was on the computer..he turned off my Cd and started to play his music...but he was actually letting me hear..the Jefferson's song now redone by? "Nothing's Gonna stop us now"...so is this freaky?...as on this playlist that he had in the computer from a film? which had the "Somebody to love on it"...the soundtrack ...had it been raided by the producer from the Jefferson's Hits??? Sorry this has been confusing..but look at me..I am sat in my room with most of my tape/Cd/Lp collection out on the floor..trying to make up a mental Album of my fave songs. Last bit. I love added bits in songs....."Like Built this City", Alice Coopers "Elected", R. Dean Taylor's 'Gotta see Jane" ?..I suppose its to do with Pink Floyd's "The Wall"..."Stand still Laddie!!!" Please let me know where I went wrong with the Jefferson's?......I did see them at Knebworth live, 1978?.......support for Genesis (well Grace Slick had been arrested in Holland) so can anyone point me to Albums that have some songs that I would appreciate of theirs. I have 2 music systems..one in my room ie head phones and one in the living room......so I have tried to listen to Ms Slick earlier stuff and it does nothing for me!! I never really got Nico, Zappa or the Grateful Dead! But why does the feeling that playing the Jefferson's Hits..I should be playing my Kiss album's again?..I LURRVED !!..."Destroyer" and all their live stuff....Kiss I have seen about 4 times and always enjoyed! "Miss?, can I leave the classroom now?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:43:02 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re:gay marriage --- HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com wrote: > well i'm gay and i think i should be able to legally > marry my lover. so > there's my 2 cents You would be able to if you lived in Canada. :-) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 00:02:45 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Salon.com News | Michigan: Bad news for Bush njc Bob, yes, NAFTA - negotiated and brought to the Congress by Bush 1 - was passed with Clinton shepherding it through. It was passed with bipartisan, mostly Republican support (and some Democratic opposition). But here the issue is not very much who to blame for passing it in 1993. What concerns folks is after seeing all the effects of NAFTA maybe it ought to be reconsidered. And on the very day that it was announced we were losing our plant, Bush was in Mexico praising NAFTA and saying he wanted to extend it to a ton of other nations. That is what has the local Republicans vowing to break ranks in November. Didn't help the day after our country's 4th largest employer announced it was following the lead of the largest employer by closing up here and moving elsewhere. Vince SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Vince - congrats on making the press, although I'm sorry for the > circumstances...and as much as Bush has nary a trace of sense or > competence about him, when jobs move to Mexico it's because of NAFTA > which we can securely pin on the Clinton administration. > > BUT if Greenville & other communities like it can rally around the > "jobless recovery" issue and get ABB elected, so much the better. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 02:00:21 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 8 On February 8 the following articles were published: 1974: "A Matchless Concert" - Performance Magazine (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=767 1998: "Joni Chic" - Sunday Telegraph (Appreciation, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=367 2000: "Both Sides Now" - Dallas Morning News (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=496 2000: "Joni Mitchell plays favorites on new album" - Chicago Sun Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=446 2000: "Joni's giggly voice gone" - Philadelphia Daily News (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=445 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #65 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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