From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #62 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 6 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 062 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: IDLE, IDYLL,IDEAL,IDOL ... plus Joni Clones??? [Magic ] Got an id, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] njc leaving the list [cul ] RE: the impressive writer njc ["Kate Bennett" ] zero growth njc ["ash" ] Re: much to say ["Dylan Rush" ] RE: njc leaving the list ["Dylan Rush" ] Re: zero growth njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: impressive writer, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Dylan's defense (njc) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: njc leaving the list (phase 3 rewrite) [cul ] dylan/ a bit of history njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: the mall, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: superbowl halftime [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Today's Library Links: February 6 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:49:41 -0800 From: Magic Subject: Re: IDLE, IDYLL,IDEAL,IDOL ... plus Joni Clones??? Sure! That's a possibility! But it just seems pretty amorphous for a self-portrait. Though it does seem to reflect the cover of her previous FTR album, thematically. Unless you were talking about the boy inside DJRD in a tux. If *that* is Joni, she was a lot more ambisexual and precocious at that age than I would've though possible. He seems to bear a striking resemblance to her grandson -- could there be more than one? Which brings to mind another question -- could Joni be cloned of by and for the people? :-) Just like the above words are likenesses? Uh-oh. I'm afraid I've put a rather poor idea into the heads of the party people?? Dear me! Well, I have worse ideas too. Though it would be fun to see 1000 Jonis attending her concert, should she live to be 1000!! Or 1,000,000 years old!? Hope so?! It's getting near possible! Songs To Aging Children Come, Aging Children I Am One. Long live Joni! SIQUOMBly. From: "jlobello" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:49:54 -0500 To: , Subject: IDLE, IDYLL,IDEAL,IDOL That's a good question...could it be Joni herself? Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:37:19 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: No Time For You, njc Hey Dylan, I thought this was a very mean statement, especially since the writer really has no evidence to support her opinion. I would be extremely hurt by such a sentence, and the fact that you are too proves that you are sensitive enough to be a Joni fan. So please don't leave for 1 mean person. I believe you and I'll make time for you anytime. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:40:23 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Got an id, njc Hi Gordon, Now I'm blushing. How come we haven't seen you in Paris yet? You may see me again: John Martyn is playing in your neck of the woods (and his hometown too) soon. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:13:55 -0500 From: cul Subject: njc leaving the list hey mack, my name's cul...(short for michael, as in "my-cul")... heath I've been a jmdl lister for a few years and read recently about you considering leaving the list. I would suggest that you don't leave. Why? Because I like reading what you have to say and to me it doesn't matter what your chronological age is. I don't find it all that strange that you command a reasonably mature vocabulary or have an apprehension of matters many might consider beyond the ken of a typical 13 year old. I was exactly the same way myself when I was 13. When I was in the third grade or around 8 yrs old, I wrote a Christmas poem for an assignment we had been given. Because I used antiquated words like "shone" and "hath" and couched the tone of my poem which I had consciously constructed as a sonnet, to resemble a Shakespearean effort, I had the misfortune to be publicly spanked by my parents. They had been called in by the teacher when I refused to admit that I had copied the poem from somewhere. I never relented and spent the rest of that third grade year being called liar and cheat my by my peers. For me that was a turning point...it demonstrated in a very realistic manner that I easily understood language a way (and is it would come to pass, many other topics) that many people did not. ...c'est la vie. The moral: don't let the bastards get you down. It was my early fascination with language after all that made Mitchell's work so appealing to me when I first heard her back in 1963...I was 15... so it does not strike me as improbable that you would be attracted to her lyrics at such a relatively young age. cul ps...not that I consider marianne a bastard, by the way. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:17:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: the impressive writer njc Dylan I hope you will stay, I am baffled at why a few (it really was merely a few) people latched onto this age thing with you & created such a stink... Cuz you know now it does really stink... Maybe some adults are not acting their age either :~} >angry, frustrated and tempted to leave the list, dylan.< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:22:57 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: zero growth njc mmmmm I thought about what one of the posters said about having NO children? Yesterday at work..we seem to rotate at work, so we always forming new work groups and there we all were in the staff room having a cuppa..when Gary (49, he lives with his 89 year old dad)) said he would never have children...Laurie (59? married) said he never had..but had step daughters. Then the 2 new guys.....Glenn (40?) said he lived at home..so I jokingly asked "did his mum look after his children? " ( I trying to speculate..that he had been married and now separated and moved back home to his mum) he explained for me slowly..that he had never left home! ( I now think he may have a medical condition and may need to be on medication?)..I then asked the newer guy..Kent (35)..did he have children? Nope! and he lived at home too!! I sat there nursing my coffee......thinking mmm I have 3 children and these 4 guys don't...yes I did think they may be gay? ( and yes there is nothing wrong with that!..well Gary was in the Royal Navy for 6 months!..tee hee)...and yes I was looking for spotted handkerchiefs! but then thru the staff room came the deputy Principal/headmistress..a beeeg woman (we renovating a school) and all 4 guys sat up straight as tho they in the classroom...so maybe for 3..its not that they are gay...its that they never had it soooo good and never left the nest!!! So I was rather shocked as I had never been with men in a group who did not produce..the last group...Bill had 6 children, James 4..well that's what he knows of........ So certain subjects like children as topics are going to be taboo? Then I looked at people I knew...and a lot have not had any children....but then a few have had so many as to make the other redundant! Last bit...I was talking to James's (he of 4 children plus) partner, Julie and she remarked that she was a grandmother at 42...so Heather then says she was a grandmother at 35!..do the maths! Now this made me feel old! I have recently been sent some family photos of two different ladies, they same age as me ,46 (yep they got digital cameras for Xmas and finally have used it!) on the net..both ladies have photos of daughters (?) their captions are vague and both daughters are holding babies. So what is the rules in replying?..do I ask? are the babies the women I am emailing or their daughters? Help as you lot ..seem so politically correct LOL ( a smiley face) Ash.....with so much space in his head! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:17:46 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Re: much to say >Hey what the hell are you doing up so late anyway, you got school tomorrow. not so - i'm bludging today, there's a swimming carnival and i can have the day off. three day weekend! ;-) >NP: Slouching Towards Bethlehem...... ahh great song. the orchestral or regular version? _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:29:25 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: RE: njc leaving the list >hey mack, it's dylan. ;-) >my name's cul...(short for michael, as in "my-cul")... heath nice to meet you culster... >I've been a jmdl lister for a few years and read recently about you >considering leaving the list. >I would suggest that you don't leave. Why? Because I like reading what you >have to say >and to me it doesn't matter what your chronological age is. I don't find >it all that strange that you >command a reasonably mature vocabulary or have an apprehension of matters >many might consider beyond the ken of a typical 13 year old. I was exactly >the same way myself when I was 13. aww thanks - i didn't want to leave purely because of my age though, i wanted to leave because there were people so arrogant, mean and presumptous that they'd refuse to talk to me on the basis of my age. but i have recieved so many nice emails from so many nice people that i've rejected the idea of leaving. i'm here to stay! >When I was in the third grade or around 8 yrs old, I wrote a Christmas poem >for an assignment we had been given. >Because I used antiquated words like "shone" and "hath" and couched the >tone of my poem which I had consciously >constructed as a sonnet, to resemble a Shakespearean effort, I had the >misfortune to be publicly spanked by my parents. >They had been called in by the teacher when I refused to admit that I had >copied the poem from somewhere. >I never relented and spent the rest of that third grade year being called >liar and cheat my by my peers. >For me that was a turning point...it demonstrated in a very realistic >manner that I easily understood language a way >(and is it would come to pass, many other topics) that many people did not. >...c'est la vie. > >The moral: don't let the bastards get you down. wow. god that's a heavy story. i feel the same way often, but at least i have adults to look to for some kind of sanity - in that situation there's no-one to look up to. if that happened to me i think i'd call the police. thankfully my generation gets relatively better treatment from teachers. love the moral! >It was my early fascination with language after all that made Mitchell's >work so appealing to me when I first heard her back in 1963...I was 15... >so it does not strike me as improbable that you would be attracted to her >lyrics at such a relatively young age. when did you hear her in '63? that would have to have been the *really* early, folky stuff, pre-stas. >ps...not that I consider marianne a bastard, by the way. :) maybe she was just misled. still it was a very hurtful and unfounded accusation she sprung on me. _________________________________________________________________ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:40:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: zero growth njc --- ash wrote: > I have recently been sent some family photos of two > different ladies, they > same age as me ,46 (yep they got digital cameras > for Xmas and finally have > used it!) on the net..both ladies have photos of > daughters (?) their captions > are vague and both daughters are holding babies. > So what is the rules in replying?..do I ask? are the > babies the women I am > emailing or their daughters? > Help as you lot ..seem so politically correct LOL ( > a smiley face) I went to a class reunion a few years back, just of the "girls" in my year from high school (it was a girls' school.) I think it may have been the year we all turned 40. Some of the women there were pregnant. Others were grandmothers. Yes, it's weird. My mother had my youngest sister at 41; my sister had her youngest son at 42 or 43. A 46-yr-old woman could have a young baby - or it could be a grandchild. Or it could be just some kid she found on the street ;-) Big help, eh? (I won't be going to any more class reunions, by the way. One was more than enough.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:52:25 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc Cool. We get a bit of college-level Organic Chem with our music talk this week! Only the best, Jim P.S. My boss of 2 years revealed today that he has always thought my closing salutation "all the best" is sarcastic. I told him, "Huh? It is the mark of a perfectionist, as if to say, "Only the best". But it also means "My best to you". Like every good Lit student, I thought about it for awhile and chose it because it has multiple meanings. Neither of them is sarcastic though, David." np: Jelly Roll Morton on a surprisingly great-sounding CD >Compliment: praising somebody, like saying your clothes look nice. > >Complement: completing or perfecting something, like woman complements man. >In medicine, complement is a series of enzymes that "complements" the >workings >of the antibody/antigen complex. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:10:01 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Dylan's defense (njc) Wow! Did I miss a post where someone excluded Dylan? Why is everyone "defending him"? Against what attack is he being defended? There is no doubt in my mind that Dylan's good with words, regardless of his age. With a name like that how could he be otherwise? Only the best, Lama (whose immaturity keeps him young) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:45:49 -0500 From: cul Subject: Re: njc leaving the list (phase 3 rewrite) This is a reconstruction... the first one I sent probably didn't make it as my browser crashed during the send and I have no record of it being sent... Dylan Rush wrote: hey mack, it's dylan. ;-) I know ...the "mack" was a vernacular...usually used in a mildly sarcastic manner like "pal" or "buddy"...or something an older brother or good friend would feign just before the kindly lecture... my name's cul...(short for michael, as in "my-cul")... heath nice to meet you culster... so it does not strike me as improbable that you would be attracted to her lyrics at such a relatively young age. It was my early fascination with language after all that made Mitchell's work so appealing to me when I first heard her back in 1963...I was 15... when did you hear her in '63? that would have to have been the *really* early, folky stuff, pre-stas. Oh yeah...really, really, really early...like when we had to crank the phonograph player to make it turn and sharpen the needle with a file... why don't you move up close by the fire, let me just grab my dentures from the glass and I'll tell you the story of Maid Mitchell, Good Witch of the North... :) My high school art teacher, one Bill Mandt, selected a few of his especially enthusiastic students and had us renovate the inside of an unused basement in an empty building in downtown Port Huron, Michigan (about 40 minutes north of Detroit). Once the walls were all black and mural ed ala Mr Mandt, we filled the place with old folding wooden chairs and tables made I think of giant wooden spools for large electrical cables and placed those glass candles with the plastic netting on them along with chess sets, bottomless coffee cups and ashtrays, donned our black turtle neck sweaters and our freshly acquired sense of polemic mindsets and dubbed the place "The Cellar" ...(little did we realize at the time how unoriginal that name was). In any event, we soon were regularly visited by many excellent actor/ musicians who played the Chicago to Toronto circuit, including Joni and Chuck Mitchell. Chuck struck me as unctuous and corny to my 15 year old sensibilities. Mitchell on the other hand was a different matter. She was quite different then in some respects. Then she was a crystalline fairy queen other-worldly muse with two bags full of incisive lyrical undercurrents. She had yet to become the deeply mature woman of heart and mind and serious composer/artist. She was nevertheless very intriguing and always played to a completely rapt and crowded room who hung on every word. Baby adorants we were. This was all a few years before she released Song to a Seagull. I had the fortune to speak with her several times during that period and found her very gentle and accommodating, though also naturally reticent ( something I would later discover when I moved to Canada to be a common Canadian quality). Though she was a public performer it was quite apparent that she also was a deeply private person whose interior revelations more often than not would be witnessed by others when her mind energy, as she has said, " All goes down on the strings and the page". The thing I admire most about Mitchell's evolution over the years is that her entire life has become a work of art in itself and that she is most rara avis, a mentor by example. I am of the mind that she cannot be fully appreciated without taking in the whole arc of her work and life. For me it is such a wonderful gift of life that I had the privilege of witnessing her example over all these years. In many ways she helped me grow up. cul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:53:14 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: dylan/ a bit of history njc like cul, i was punished a million times for being me. i was so advanced in math when i was in grade school that i couldn't understand the "normal" assignments (they didn't make sense to me because i was already doing such a lot of math in my head, discovering trigonometry and stuff when i was supposed to be doing long division drills), so for a while i was sent to a school for children with learning disabilities rather than to a school for gifted kids!!!! can you beat that? fortunately, one of the teachers in the new school realized what was happening and sent for my parents and gave them hell. all this to say, i understand what it means to be misunderstood. however, old-timers will remember a case in which a list member tried to pass for a teenager and ended up being very abusive. if i'm not mistaken, he was very cruel to kakki. it happened eons ago so my memory fails me as to the specific details. perhaps that's why some folks may feel a little defensive right now. in any case, dylan, you've been very charming so far and i don't think you'll be turning into something beastly when the full moon comes. hey, full moon is tomorrow. we'd better wait and see :-) wally, genius gone awry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:18:01 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: the mall, njc Dylan wrote: > i have no reason to lie about who i am. it is seriously depressing to be > told "no time left for you". Gosh Dylan, I can really relate to you! This nauseatingly reminds me of the Christian Right who write people off as they stand in judgement. i've > been through the "there is *no* way you're 13" thing many times at > various sites, including epinions, but never before have i had people refuse to > talk > to me on the basis that i am lying. i don't know if people that presumptuous > > are worth MY time. They usually aren't Dylan, but the rest of us are. > now i'm off to hang out at the mall to get into character. You are so funny!!!! Thanks for being you! Love and appreciation, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:44:17 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: superbowl halftime life is so short, should a nipple stand in the way of living it to the best of our ability? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 02:44:38 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: February 6 On February 6 the following articles were published: 1966: "Two Single Acts Survive a Marriage" - Detroit News (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=428 1993: "Classical Crossover" - Economist (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=100 1999: "Witness of Life" - Irish Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=136 2000: "Both Sides Now" - Entertainment Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=451 2000: "Standard Surprises" - New York Now (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=630 2003: "Joni Mitchell Speaks to New Generation " - Salt Lake Tribune (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1055 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #62 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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