From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #61 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 5 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 061 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: impressive writer, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #58 ["ash" ] RE: the impressive writer njc ["Dylan Rush" ] Re: impressive writer, njc ["Dylan Rush" ] much to say ["Dylan Rush" ] RE: Joni Remixes, njc now ... Breath to speak / Room to grow ["Dylan Rush] Swearing njc (contains swearing, but in a good cause I think :-) [AzeemAK] rather sorry njc ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: impressive writer, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc [vince ] Re: impressive writer, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] half-time show (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["mike pritchard" ] Got an ID...or an ego? [Gordon Mackie ] Re: oh my!!! NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: God an ID? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: exposure, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Got an ID? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Got an ID? ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Got an ID? ["Happy The Man" ] Re: superbowl halftime [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: impressive writer, njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: much to say ["Happy The Man" ] Invitation [Steve Polifka ] Re: impressive writer, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Dylan's defense (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Dylan's defense (njc) ["amelio747" ] Mindy Smith (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Invitation ["Donna Binkley" ] RE: Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Mindy Smith (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Dylan's defense (njc) [Doug ] Re: Mindy Smith (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] FW: Re: much to say ["Dylan Rush" ] A message from Mr. Shay [Magic ] Re: Mindy Smith (NJC) [magsnbrei ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:26:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc As a parent, I have been fortunate to know lots of very intelligent kids, come to think of it I know very few of the sterotypical mall kind of kids...believer me, they don't all sound like you think they do mack... >I suggest to whomever is attempting this hoax spend some time at the local mall and try again.< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:46:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc Mags >Oh and did I mention that statistically, Super Bowl Sunday is deemed the highest incidence of male violence perpetrated against female partners? < Lori >But no one seems to mind the (hardly) subliminal message that public humiliation and/or rape of women (or men) is okay.< It bothered me but not cuz of the nudity... Yes they were putting on a show but my impression was that it had a definate rape/violence vibe to it Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:00:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Super Bowl Halftime - njc Vince >I seriously believe everyone everywhere is missing the point... and I doubt that everyone who has commented on it actually watched the Super Bowl< It was shown over & over & over & over again on every news show... I agree that there are many more important things going on in the world to focus on... Unfortunately mainstream media is more about entertainment than news... However, this event was considered family entertainment & its not about the nudity but the faux rape aspect... I think its important to consider why it is a problem... That is because immature boys actually imitate these kinds of things... When young kids see this kind of stuff as entertainment they tend to think its cool & that its somehow sexy & acceptable... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:00:48 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #58 > Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc > Please explain.....Why Ms Jackson has got all this FREE advertising? I had to really rack my brain for her music and came up with Nasty Boy? and then a recent song of hers, that sounded like Nasty Boy! So I watched the American show here in Oz called Entertainment Tonight.. of which yesterdays was devoted to Miss Jackson ( 5 mins to her brother) to understand what she had done in 20 years..well it seems her dress sense is more revealing and her dance moves always seem like her brothers! and then this morning on the TV news more promo of Janet Jackson. So may I suggest that Joni do a similar thing?...or is that going to get me sent off the site??? Look I was only kidding at the above sentence!! and can I say how much I am enjoying American Idol...honest injun? (is this a John Wayneism?) I really dislike this kind of show..but Saturdays grabbed me..10,000 wannabees queuing in LA and then that Paula Abdul..explaining that Everyone has to copy someone to achieve fame and the large chap saying to the cheerleader..she had everything and was probably good at everything she did?...but he did not like her! Today I am hanging around the post-box waiting for my Ebay purchase...Miles of Aisles..ready to be stuffed into the CD player..to see if the music is great?..NOOOO..but to hear if Joni is talking to the audience in between the music..THANK YOU DIGEST!!...and if she is not?..do I return it to the seller and explain he has ripped me off..I don't want the music...I want the TALK!!! Then do I write to the record company?..please send the missing sections!! Look I was bagged for watching Bold and the Beautiful on this site...and someone mentioned did we see Dawson's Creek?!! Well as its on for 2 hours at midday for 3 weeks! and my 16 year old girl loves it..the title tune runs thru my head..Joey Pacey Dawson....I never liked Dawson as he was tooooo clever..he seemed to have an older attitude..yeah I know he JUST a (bad) actor..I did like the actress who played Pacey's mental girlfriend in the 2nd series real name Meredith Monroe...why do I remember her? Coz she came to an Oz motor racing event, 2 years ago and then was eagerly being interviewed by the news people here....why? she was wearing a very see thru top! So maybe Ms Jackson knew something after all?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:24:30 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: RE: the impressive writer njc >First, the writing that obviously wasn't from a teenager and, now, this >forced writing trying to write like a teenager would. Not too clever and >definitely not foxy. I agree with Marianne, I don't believe it either. >Advanced English and doesn't know there are too spellings of compli(e)ment. >REAL life. brainy. These are terms an older person would use to try to >capture vernacular they aren't familiar with. I suggest to whomever is >attempting this hoax spend some time at the local mall and try again. > >I decided to put no effort into finding a way to meet you in Sydney (as you >say). I am convinced you are not who you say you are. > >No time left for you. > >Marianne aww damn, i really am 13! i sound like a teenager at times cause that's what I AM, i'm being myself here! it's all me! go ask rachel if you want - we've been corresponding for the past few months. why would i want to pose as a teenager anyway? i hate being this age! what do you think, i'm posing to be younger for the attention? "No time left for you"? oh god... angry, frustrated and tempted to leave the list, dylan. >mack _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Premium transforms your e-mail with colours, photos and animated text. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:40:29 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc > I think you will appreciate your school more as you grow up. I >went >to Catholic schools too and cussed them most of the way. But, really those >nuns saved my life. it's not the christianity i mind so much - i don't believe in any religion, i have better things to do - the place just isn't equipped for someone like me. i'm trying to get into an extremely selective school at the moment so i'll see if i can get out of the place. > So all your friends are smartasses, and you avoid the dumbasses? naah, my friends are mostly the moderately intelligent, pleasant people. we need more smartasses! > Count your blessings! Have you read any Lord Byron? Japanese... I >know a little of that because over the years I've worked with several >Japanese >neurosurgeons. Off the top of my head and spelled phonetically: Ohio >gazimus. >Guzu guzu suruna. Toileewa dokodeska. Solaja solaja. Sabeeiro. okay, that's "Ohayoo gozaimasu" for good morning, "Toire-wa doko desu-ka?" for where is the toilet - i don't know any of the others. you're a neurosurgeon? > Like college? I wouldn't exactly call that real life... It's a >blast >though. Well...from what I remember in between black outs from being >drunk. >I hope you don't waste your brain like I did mine. I still have a little >bit >left though. well the way i see it, in college you get treated like an adult, plus you only learn the stuff that you know you're gonna use, so it's much better than school - not quite real life, but close enough. > I asked him, and he said he thinks she's a good singer. He likes >Kate >Bennett better though... all my kids like Kate better than Joni. Have you >heard her album? My favorite song on her album is Promise Me... it reminds >me >of alcoholics anonymous, that no one has to know which is very comforting >to >me. Here's her website: Kate Bennett i have listened to her stuff on recommendation - very nice. >Compliment: praising somebody, like saying your clothes look nice. > >Complement: completing or perfecting something, like woman complements man. >In medicine, complement is a series of enzymes that "complements" the >workings >of the antibody/antigen complex. of course. i knew that. ;-) > Have a good day Dylan! Keep learning and try to live in the >moment... >one day at a time. that's the plan! >Love and joy, >Laura aww thanks! _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:11:55 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: much to say okay, there's been an outpouring of activity since i mentioned my age - i have this to say: to kate, laura, cynthia, catherine, and any others i've forgotten, thank you for your support, trust and communication. chris - nice research, yes that is indeed me at epinions... scjoniguy - you are very, very witty :D. mack and marianne, don't hate and ignore me. i have no reason to lie about who i am. it is seriously depressing to be told "no time left for you". i've been through the "there is *no* way you're 13" thing many times at various sites, including epinions, but never before have i had people refuse to talk to me on the basis that i am lying. i don't know if people that presumptuous are worth MY time. now i'm off to hang out at the mall to get into character. - - dylan _________________________________________________________________ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:15:56 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: RE: Joni Remixes, njc now ... Breath to speak / Room to grow okay, i'm going to respond to some of this now, there's a lot of stuff here! >I think dance remixes are a good idea, Dylan. She'd probably be delighted... "take me to the dance, do you wanna dance, i love to dance!" >I also think Joni >should've done only covers of Dylan and Van for their combo-concert -- did >you see it anywhere? If Joni had come out and sung *only* Van and Dylan, >they might very well have later returned the honor which, on balance, >would've worked more to her advantage? never seen joni in concert - she's not been here since her Opera House gig in '83. as much as i love all three musicians, i'd feel mightily ripped off if Joni did only Van and Dylan covers for a whole show! Van and/or Dylan doing Joni would be a novelty for a while but excruciating after a few minutes... >I like most of Joni's covers to date, >including Dylan, as a good recent post referred to. But Van may've been >commenting on Dylan's tendency to garble and blare on his own "Inarticulate >Speech of the Heart", do you think? Joni's almost always quite articulate, >which is why I for one, a lover of language, appreciate her concept of what >makes for fine entertainment. That's a very neat summation of the appeal of her work! She's the musician I look up to the most - If I can write one song as good as hers I'll be happy. > I just heard a rumor that Prince will have a special message for Joni >fans at the Grammys, though I'm not sure how much faith to put in this. I >do >think his song "Li'l Red Corvette" is about her and I strongly suspect she >had a hand in his early career and Nirvana's and many others .. though I >don't know how much Geffen is involved. I LOVE prince! I own kajillions of his albums and I saw him in concert just a few months ago. Little Red Corvette about joni? That's an interesting theory, i've never thought of that before. The song is actually about pussy though, "horses" are condoms, "trojan and some of them used", and then of course the climax line "girl, u got an ass like i've never seen, and the ride is so smooth, you must be a limousine!" I don't think she had anything to do with starting his career, as an upcoming black kid out of Minneapolis she probably wouldn't have known about him until he hit the big time. joni and nirvana!? stranger things have happened... >I think Joni loves kids and oddballs and yes, even her critics; Joni has >often referred to love as struggle. who doesn't love kids and oddballs? >She's made money off struggling with God and the Bible, throughout her >career. We know it's an engaging topic for her; she's an artist and a >critic >herself. If only she would see that MIND in Nature must exist as a >possibility in order for us to think freshly, creatively ... if God for her >was mere Possibility, she might go easier on Him, just like her music was a >gentle cushion between Van's and Dylan's in the concerts. Actually, does Joni subscribe to any particular religion? I've never heard her talk about it before. >She relates well >to men by being herself; she's not silent in her support of others. I mean, >if this List was women-only or men-only or lesbians-only or gays-only, it >*might* have less diversity, though that's a biased assumption on my part, >I >regret to say. I resonate with freedom of speech, even if seriously >deluded, >self-contradictory (like me), and digressive. I've ignored the List and >been >ignored and concluded that Silence=Hypocrisy; discussion is the goal. You >can learn by rebutting just as much as by reading rebuttals, moreorless. Be >unique, be creative, twist and dance with the language, as you already >have. I agree completely. Freedom of speech is what I love the most about living in this society. My parents have always encouraged it, and i'm grateful for that. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 06:21:09 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Swearing njc (contains swearing, but in a good cause I think :-) I just had a good chuckle reading an article by Mark Lawson in today's Guardian, in which he ponders the changes in audience reactions to "obscene" language on television and in society in general. The article was prompted by a storm-in-a-teacup scandal following John Lydon's outburst on "I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here", when he described the audience as "f*cking c*nts" for *not* voting him off. Here are the last three paragraphs of Mark Lawson's piece: << Let me finish, though, with an anecdote which may give some comfort to both sides in this dispute. Most of the language wars in broadcasting are fought in the name of children. But the young perhaps come to their own accommodation with obscenity. Last year, I took my 10-year-old son to see Leeds United play at Arsenal, among whose supporters we were sitting. Following a series of mistakes by the home team's defender, the red-and-white-scarved men around us began a furious chant of: "Luzhny, you useless Russian cunt!" They repeated this line for several minutes. At half-time, my son said: "Daddy, you know what they were shouting about Luzhny?" I was about to deliver a tender liberal lecture on how this was a grossly offensive term which should not be used in front of women or about women's fronts, when he said: "He isn't Russian. He's Ukrainian." >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:45:53 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: rather sorry njc some weeks ago I sent a terrible post to the list. I had send that post before I knew it and was immediately sorry. It was a foolish, selfish, inconsiderate thing to do. The post was the result of some serious chanelling of frustrations into the wrong direction --- blowing up small and meaningless frustrations about the list to enormous proportions. It would have been a million times more effective had I tried to bring up some of my issues in a more calm way. so, there you go, I hope nobody is permanently injured... peace, Paul - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The streetlight's still burning; She always misses. But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave. That one little victory, that's all she needs! Joni Mitchell: Sunny Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:17:31 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc > well the way i see it, in college you get treated like an adult, plus you > only learn the stuff that you know you're gonna use, so it's much better > than school - not quite real life, but close enough. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........ Maybe you really are 13. Jerry, University Librarian for the past 25 years ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:22:30 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc Kate Bennett wrote: >Vince >I seriously believe everyone everywhere is missing the point... >and I doubt that everyone who has commented on it actually watched the >Super Bowl< > >It was shown over & over & over & over again on every news show... I >agree that there are many more important things going on in the world to >focus on... Unfortunately mainstream media is more about entertainment >than news... However, this event was considered family entertainment & >its not about the nudity but the faux rape aspect... > Ok, so I am missing something here seriously. I have the cd, I like that song a lot, I know the video, I saw the half-time as it happened, it was a (to repeat myself) Fosse style dance (in two people engaging in a willing sexually tinged dance) between two people who are engaged in a mating ritual. The way Janet did her dance, it was very clear that she was a very willing partner in a mutual adult consenting relationship. There was, there is, no rape in that. Justin sings "I'll have you naked by the end of this song" and she bumps and grinds closer. Justin's act of removing Janet's top is (in the context of the song and the way they danced it) merely the next step in a mutual thing, not an act of rape at all. That video won the MTV VMA award and the album is, in my opinion justifiably nominated as album of the year for the grammies and that song has been around a long time. I have never seen it or heard it as anything to do with rape but as two hot people who want each other. As I watched it live, I thought they had reprodouced the video dance fairly well. Rape? Not as I have ever seen it, but then again, I never see anything right. Vince NPIMH: Rock your body, Justin Timberlake I think I am fairly done discussing this. This was the media hottie of the week and will live in MTV lore forever. It seems to me that the media selected something to hype. They could have selected any other aspect of that show - especially the offensive commericals. But the media went with this and so many have just followed along. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:29:14 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc In a message dated 2/5/04 3:40:41 AM Central Standard Time, dylan_rush@hotmail.com writes: > i'm trying to get into an extremely selective school at the moment so > i'll see if i can get out of the place. Does this school have a website? Are you in Australia? I hope you make it in so your intelligence can be properly nurtured. > naah, my friends are mostly the moderately intelligent, pleasant people. we > > need more smartasses! Anything moderate is ooookay with me. I'm sure you'll find plenty of smartasses down the road. > okay, that's "Ohayoo gozaimasu" for good morning, "Toire-wa doko desu-ka?" > for where is the toilet - i don't know any of the others. Guzu guzu suruna... don't procrastinate Solaja solaja... this is a greeting; I'm not sure how it translates exactly Sabeeiro... this means rusty. When my friend taught it to me, I mispronounced it and said "cheeeerro" instead, and he turned very red and wouldn't tell me what I said. Finally, I got it out of him... impotent. Here's another one that comes to my mind: ochcomu you're a > neurosurgeon? No, I'm a neuroscientist, a PhD. My area of specialty is Alzheimer's disease, and I teach at a medical school. Yesterday, I taught the med students about the brainstem. > well the way i see it, in college you get treated like an adult, plus you > only learn the stuff that you know you're gonna use, so it's much better > than school - not quite real life, but close enough. You learn only the stuff you know you're gonna use?! I can tell you've never looked at a college curriculum! There are always some basic courses you have to have that are boring and for the most part not very useful. College students don't exactly get treated like adults either... more like adults than in high school though. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:34:55 -0500 (EST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: half-time show (njc) I wasn't going to comment on this here, but oh well, here goes... I watched the game, like mostly everyone from New England. Great game (although I'm not particularly a football fan), terrible half-time show. I had the sound turned down after a bit because I just couldn't listen to it. So, I missed the infamous incident, because I turned around, probably to look at one of my cats or something. I wondered briefly if I was getting old and prudish. But I remembered that I loved No Doubt's performance at the Grammy's a couple of years ago. Edgy, yes. Gwen Stefani was wearing less material overall than Janet. But it was appropriate. Anyway, like I said to someone else, they should have had ColdPlay and Evanescence. Kid Rock is just skanky. Justin Timberlake is a fad, not a musician. And, even though she's a Joni fan, I've never cared for Janet Jackson. Oh, and I was most offended by Nelly grabbing his crotch during the whole thing. That's not sexy. It's stupid. He looked like he couldn't locate a men's room before the performance LOL! Now, it's on to spring training. Only in Boston would we come fresh off a SuperBowl win and immediately think World Series. Well, it won't be this year... sigh. (Now, Vince, no need to lecture me about that team in Chicago that couldn't think of an original name, so stole ours and just changed the color :-) You know I love you, but I just couldn't resist.) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:13:27 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc >>so what songs are there out there that do deal with sex in a mature and somewhat meaningful way???? how about lucinda williams with "right in time" maria muldaur does a nice song on one of her older live albums - i really cant think of the track right now...<< Could it be that Ron is thinking about "Don't you feel my leg"? NPIMH (lyrics from memory so no flames please) "Don't you feel my leg, don't you feel my leg, 'cos if you feel my leg, you'll wanna feel my thigh. And if you feel my thigh, you'll wanna go up high, so don't you feel my leg, Don't you buy no rye, don't you buy no rye 'cos if you buy me rye you're gonna make me high. And if you make me high, you'll get a big surprise, so don't you buy no rye. Etc... great song mike in barcelona, who met two 'jocks' he had only ever 'met' by internet and had a great time, both times... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:13:27 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc >>so what songs are there out there that do deal with sex in a mature and somewhat meaningful way???? how about lucinda williams with "right in time" maria muldaur does a nice song on one of her older live albums - i really cant think of the track right now...<< Could it be that Ron is thinking about "Don't you feel my leg"? NPIMH (lyrics from memory so no flames please) "Don't you feel my leg, don't you feel my leg, 'cos if you feel my leg, you'll wanna feel my thigh. And if you feel my thigh, you'll wanna go up high, so don't you feel my leg, Don't you buy no rye, don't you buy no rye 'cos if you buy me rye you're gonna make me high. And if you make me high, you'll get a big surprise, so don't you buy no rye. Etc... great song mike in barcelona, who met two 'jocks' he had only ever 'met' by internet and had a great time, both times... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:37:33 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Got an ID...or an ego? Well ...... This chutzpah with a bruised ego has met a couple of listers via emial....and I am so glad I did so hello to Lauent Oszler in Paris and Mike Pritchard in Barcelona. Two nicer people you couldn't meet. I'd actively encourage it. Gordon in rainy Glasgow. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:47:08 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: oh my!!! NJC From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: dylan and the conspiracy theorists - NJC Hi Cindy! You got me laughing hysterically!!!! I love this subject line!!! In fact, a lot on the JMDL has given me some good laughs lately!!! I loved the one about the 84 year old grandmother and the Janet Jackson escapade! (Love that song on Rhythm Nation) Well, I missed it, not only the game but also this apparently very colorful half time! Now I wish I could have seen it! I've got to regain my composure before I go to work!! Oh my!!! My lungs are clear but my sides are killing me!!! Love and major laughs, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:05:11 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: God an ID? From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Got an ID? Cashier: Listen punk, don't give me that crap. You can't appreciate Joni at your age, you must be buying this for your Mom or something or as a thank you gift for some old queen. It couldn't be for you. No 13-year-old is into Joni! Customer: Well, I am! I'm even a member of a worldwide discussion list for Joni. Cashier: Enough! Either prove to me that you're old enough to appreciate this music or get the hell out of my store! Next thing you're gonna tell me is that you're Dylan! Customer: Well, um, as a matter of fact...on second thought, never mind... LOLLLLLLLL Brilliant! Did you really write this? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL Laura NP: Janet Jackson's "State of the World" on her Rhythm Nation album.... anybody want to dance??!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:18:57 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: exposure, njc Lori wrote: > Everyone seems to be complaining that Janet's breast was exposed, as if > breasts are ugly (and really, how Puritan a reaction). Hi Lori! What I'm wondering is, can I still bring my friend Betty to the fest with me? She spent her honeymoon on a topless beach and enjoyed the freedom. She's Catholic not Puritan... Oh, and what should I do with my statue of St. Mary nursing Jesus with holy flesh exposed? Love, Laura NP: Janet Jackson's "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:48:53 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Got an ID? NJC Subject: Re: Got an ID? Ha! Good one Jonibob!! Thanks for the first laugh of the day. Dylan I enjoy your posts, glad you are here. db >>> 2/4/2004 3:33:57 PM >>> Cashier: Can I help you? Customer: Hi - I'd like to buy these CD's... Cashier: Let's see what ya got here...Coldplay, Dashboard Confessional, cool, hey wait a minute, what's up with this? Customer: What do you mean? It's Joni Mitchell - I think she's awesome! Cashier: Sure, but do you have an ID? Customer: What? Cashier: An ID...some form of identification that tells me you're over 18... Customer: But I'm not...I'm 13. But I'm wise beyond my years... Cashier: Listen punk, don't give me that crap. You can't appreciate Joni at your age, you must be buying this for your Mom or something or as a thank you gift for some old queen. It couldn't be for you. No 13-year-old is into Joni! Customer: Well, I am! I'm even a member of a worldwide discussion list for Joni. Cashier: Enough! Either prove to me that you're old enough to appreciate this music or get the hell out of my store! Next thing you're gonna tell me is that you're Dylan! Customer: Well, um, as a matter of fact...on second thought, never mind... This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:16:39 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Got an ID? Dashboard Confessional, gosh they are so out dude. Man like they are so yesterday. get with it. Still LMAO. Peace, Craig - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: Re: God an ID? > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Subject: Got an ID? > > Cashier: Listen punk, don't give me that crap. You can't > appreciate Joni at your age, you must be buying this for your > Mom or something or as a thank you gift for some old queen. > It couldn't be for you. No 13-year-old is into Joni! > > Customer: Well, I am! I'm even a member of a worldwide > discussion list for Joni. > > Cashier: Enough! Either prove to me that you're old enough to > appreciate this music or get the hell out of my store! Next > thing you're gonna tell me is that you're Dylan! > > Customer: Well, um, as a matter of fact...on second thought, > never mind... > > LOLLLLLLLL Brilliant! Did you really write this? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL > > Laura > > NP: Janet Jackson's "State of the World" on her Rhythm Nation album.... > anybody want to dance??!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:18:57 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: superbowl halftime ya know, i think if no one had acted if they noticed it would have been long forgotten by now, in trying to " punish the criminal" sometimes we reward the act by making it such a big deal. I'm not saying this is true in all things but something as simple as this certainly can be let go of as an oops i made a blunder. peace ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:21:53 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc In a message dated 2/5/2004 8:20:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > Jerry, University Librarian for the past 25 years > Jerry, you've been a University Librarian for the past 50 years! Have you been lying about your age? I know Paz does........he still claims he's still in his 50's :~) Welcome aboard Dylan! I've been out of the loop for a while, but 13 or 100......you're always welcome here! Jimmy in way too warm Florida ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:23:40 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: much to say Dylan wrote: > now i'm off to hang out at the mall to get into character. They still have malls, gosh I got to get out more. Hey what the hell are you doing up so late anyway, you got school tomorrow. Peace, Craig NP: Slouching Towards Bethlehem...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:32:09 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Invitation Well, I was in a very Dr.Suess mood today. With all this talk about invitations, I thought I'd write my own... Dear Ms Mitchell, What might you doing In August, this summer Are you free- would you be Willing, I wonder? For a three-day swaree In such a quiet resort Quite rustic and quaint In the Catskills of New York I have a few friends You might like to meet They're hopeful and daring And quite light on their feet Some bring chocolates or cheese From all over the world There are men and women, Boys and some girls Some are lawyers and bankers And writers and moms And singers and teachers But no peeping Toms We're having a party Wild, yet sublime The food is healthy and hearty A fascinating good time There's music and singing And talk through the night With laughing and hugging Such a wonderful sight There's hiking and biking And swimming and such Or billiards or raffles After a fabulous lunch Relaxing and lounging In the New York sun With all these good things What could be more fun? (Okay, okay, I could think of a few things but this is just an invitation) ;-) You could come for a day You might show up for an hour Why not picnic with friends On the grass and wildflowers? Don't look at your date book At the coming summer months "Just get up here and party, Girlfriend!" If I may be so blunt But if the schedule you see Is too hard to clear Remember we love you There's always next year Your friend, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:36:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc > In a message dated 2/5/2004 8:20:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, > notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > >> Jerry, University Librarian for the past 25 years > > > Jerry, you've been a University Librarian for the past 50 years! Have you > been lying about your age? I know Paz does........he still claims he's still > in his 50's :~) > > But I taught English and Reading AND I was a school librarian before that! And > I am 53. Though now that I lost 27 pounds (since Jonifest) I feel 30. > > Welcome aboard Dylan! I've been out of the loop for a while, but 13 or > 100......you're always welcome here! > > Jimmy in way too warm Florida > > How can you ever complain about 79 degree weather??? > > Jerry, who saw the fabulous Rickie Lee Jones from the front row last night! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:22:34 -0500 (EST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Dylan's defense (njc) I think Dylan is charming. We had a brief exchange off-list. As for being truthful, well, gee, we all present ourselves in a particular way on the internet, because, of course, there's a backspace and delete, unlike in real life. So, I don't care if he's actually 13 or not, although I believe him. This truly is the Age of Terror if we can't welcome someone who brings intelligent discourse to this list. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:44:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Super Bowl Halftime - njc >Ok, so I am missing something here seriously.< only that is was so inappropriate for the audience watching...its not the only inappropropriate entertainment for kids by a long shot but the superbowl audience is my all accounts huge & thus the bigger spotlight on this... >It seems to me that the media selected something to hype. They could have selected any other aspect of that show - especially the offensive commericals. But the media went with this and so many have just followed along.< I totally agree with you on this! I do think its ironic & karmic for this to have happened with all the prior publicity about the moveon ad being forbidden... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:47:19 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Dylan's defense (njc) Ok guys I've been listening to Joni since I was 17 and now I'm 21 I have all her CD's. I'm also slow ;) so it really isn't that hard to believe Dylan is 13 and listens to Joni! I didn't realise you need some kind of adult membership to like Joni. I don't particularly relate with Joni's music/lyrics but I really feel it and that's what counts. So come on...I don't think Dylan wants all this kind of attention. Besides I thought Joni people were friendly and open minded??? NP: Harry's House... * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: Dylan's defense (njc) > I think Dylan is charming. We had a brief exchange > off-list. As for being truthful, well, gee, we all > present ourselves in a particular way on the internet, > because, of course, there's a backspace and delete, > unlike in real life. > > So, I don't care if he's actually 13 or not, although I > believe him. > > This truly is the Age of Terror if we can't welcome > someone who brings intelligent discourse to this list. > > lots of love > Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:04:17 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Mindy Smith (NJC) Oh My Gawd....goosebumps & tears...yes! Thank you alison & paulc!!! >alison e. in slc wrote: np: mindy smith, one moment more (GO NOW AND BUY THIS RECORD!) Paulc>>felt like my hair was standing on end, especially when the harmony vocal kicks in on "Worry not my daughters, worry not my sons" There's a good quality stream here - http://www.mindysmith.net/photosmusic.asp< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:07:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc Kate Bennett wrote: > When young kids see this > kind of stuff as entertainment they tend to think its cool & that its > somehow sexy & acceptable... I agree...and to further the double standard, Janet has been banned from the Grammies, but Justin is performing on them. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:19:08 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Invitation Steve that's so cute, it's a keeper! db >>> Steve Polifka 2/5/2004 10:32:09 AM >>> Well, I was in a very Dr.Suess mood today. With all this talk about invitations, I thought I'd write my own... Dear Ms Mitchell, What might you doing In August, this summer Are you free- would you be Willing, I wonder? For a three-day swaree In such a quiet resort Quite rustic and quaint In the Catskills of New York I have a few friends You might like to meet They're hopeful and daring And quite light on their feet Some bring chocolates or cheese From all over the world There are men and women, Boys and some girls Some are lawyers and bankers And writers and moms And singers and teachers But no peeping Toms We're having a party Wild, yet sublime The food is healthy and hearty A fascinating good time There's music and singing And talk through the night With laughing and hugging Such a wonderful sight There's hiking and biking And swimming and such Or billiards or raffles After a fabulous lunch Relaxing and lounging In the New York sun With all these good things What could be more fun? (Okay, okay, I could think of a few things but this is just an invitation) ;-) You could come for a day You might show up for an hour Why not picnic with friends On the grass and wildflowers? Don't look at your date book At the coming summer months "Just get up here and party, Girlfriend!" If I may be so blunt But if the schedule you see Is too hard to clear Remember we love you There's always next year Your friend, Steve This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:28:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Super Bowl Halftime - njc >I agree...and to further the double standard, Janet has been banned from the Grammies, but Justin is performing on them.< That is an outrage... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:29:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Mindy Smith (NJC) You can hear snippets of each track of this album here: http://www.vanguardrecords.com/mindysmith/ecard/ Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:02:46 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Dylan's defense (njc) Well said Stephen. When I was twelve I had all 2 of Joni's albums. While I'm sure I didn't understand the lyrics of songs like I Had A King and I Don't Know Where I Stand, the feeling came through and obviously stuck with me. (I remember the first two 45s I bought were Steppenwolf- Magic Carpet Ride and The Monkees- I'm A Believer. I don't listen to those much anymore.) The Internet has opened up so many opportunities for learning, it's not surprising to me that young people could be as (or more) informed than me on any particular subject. Doug - who is actually 9 but pretending to be 47. ...oops, did I say that? oh damn!! amelio747 wrote: >Ok guys I've been listening to Joni since I was 17 and now I'm 21 I have all >her CD's. I'm also slow ;) so it really isn't that hard to believe Dylan is >13 and listens to Joni! I didn't realise you need some kind of adult >membership to like Joni. I don't particularly relate with Joni's >music/lyrics but I really feel it and that's what counts. So come on...I >don't think Dylan wants all this kind of attention. Besides I thought Joni >people were friendly and open minded??? > >NP: Harry's House... > >* * * * * * >Stephen T > >"I get the urge for going > But I never seem to go" > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 5:22 PM >Subject: Dylan's defense (njc) > > > > >>I think Dylan is charming. We had a brief exchange >>off-list. As for being truthful, well, gee, we all >>present ourselves in a particular way on the internet, >>because, of course, there's a backspace and delete, >>unlike in real life. >> >>So, I don't care if he's actually 13 or not, although I >>believe him. >> >>This truly is the Age of Terror if we can't welcome >>someone who brings intelligent discourse to this list. >> >>lots of love >>Anne >> >> > >. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:05:22 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Mindy Smith (NJC) alison e. in slc wrote: > np: mindy smith, one moment more (GO NOW AND BUY THIS RECORD!) Bloody hell - this is good. Yet another one to add to the list of stuff I have to buy. Lovely voice, very nice instrumentation, and just a hint of vulnerability there which seems to work wonders. - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:49:32 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: FW: Re: much to say >From: Jamie Zubairi >Reply-To: Jamie Zubairi >To: Dylan Rush >Subject: Re: much to say >Date: 05 Feb 2004 14:27:22 +0000 > >you go dylan!!!! don't take these guys' ribbing personally. I think many a >time I have been caught out by my own sense of humour and have had to >backpedal when people don't quite get it... it's a large list, full of >people from all over the English speaking (and sometimes non-English >speaking) world. I was 15 when I discovered joni and 16 when I became >gently obssessed. But now I'm 31 and it's still going strong. My collection >and taste has grown larger and Joni has enriched my cd collection - not >just girls and guitars - in fact no one comes close to Joni so I don't >bother - but jazz and classical and yes, some rock... > >I hope that Joni does for you what she did for me, every nuance of her >music a technicolor experience. And no, I'm not on hallucinogens... > >Please feel free to forward this to the list, I can't reply my yahoo >address at work so I reply privately from my work email. > > > >Much Joni > >Jamie Zoob > >London England > >Dylan Rush wrote: >okay, there's been an outpouring of activity since i mentioned my age - i >have this to say: > >to kate, laura, cynthia, catherine, and any others i've forgotten, thank >you >for your support, trust and communication. > >chris - nice research, yes that is indeed me at epinions... > >scjoniguy - you are very, very witty :D. > >mack and marianne, don't hate and ignore me. i have no reason to lie about >who i am. it is seriously depressing to be told "no time left for you". >i've >been through the "there is *no* way you're 13" thing many times at various >sites, including epinions, but never before have i had people refuse to >talk >to me on the basis that i am lying. i don't know if people that >presumptuous >are worth MY time. > >now i'm off to hang out at the mall to get into character. > >- dylan > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here >http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:25:29 -0800 From: Magic Subject: A message from Mr. Shay Hi Gene, Your post was illuminating, your past was illustrative .. I almost felt as if I was there! Thanks! In a strong way then, you helped anoint her and them? With "shea" or "shay" butter, in a way? My dictionary defines "shea butter" (said "shee" or "shay") as "A whitish or yellowish fat obtained from the nut of the shea tree (see), used as food and for making soap and candles." Under the 2nd entry it states it is an African tree, "Butyrospermum parkii" [From Bambara "si"] (in Niger, a Mande language). I had a friend in college, Steve Ydziniak Shea, from Saddle River, NJ., who died in ]he moun]ains of an embolism (sp?). We visited his mother and grave when Cath and I moved her to the West Coast, which I mention because of the name but also because he was an accomplished guitarist. I visit graveyards on most long cross-country trips, for my own spiritual reasons, which Cath put up with, strangely/strayingly enough. His hair had an unusual yellow color and sheen. Have you run across this family trait? How do you pronounce your name? Do you know what "Shay" means in Ireland, assuming you're Irish? Thanks! Chris G., sort of a nut about such things, and curious about supposedly "un-"related things, which are actually garlicky/onion-like and spirallically linguistic, so please excuse me / ignore me if I seem to be prying in any way. It's just that I've long been curious about the ancient practice and ointments and related words. The etymology of names is often more illuminating than that of other types of words I think. "Ointment" comes from "unguere", which may be related to part of my own surname. Or it may only seem to be related, like "yarrow" and "gar" and "yare". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:54:49 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Mindy Smith (NJC) tis good indeed! and she's performing at the tin angel in philadelphia tonight at 8....for only 8 dollars. mags Chris Marshall wrote: alison e. in slc wrote: > np: mindy smith, one moment more (GO NOW AND BUY THIS RECORD!) Bloody hell - this is good. Yet another one to add to the list of stuff I have to buy. Lovely voice, very nice instrumentation, and just a hint of vulnerability there which seems to work wonders. - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Yahoo! 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