From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #59 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 5 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 059 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Bare flesh, cultural decline, etc. NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] My doom (njc) ["Les Irvin" ] re: no way dylan njc ["Dylan Rush" ] Re: impressive writer, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: goddess or goodness ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: impressive writer, njc ["Dylan Rush" ] Re: impressive writer, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Mindy Smith (NJC) ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["mackoliver" ] New John Kelly JM tribute show [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: impressive writer, njc ["mackoliver" ] Extracting audio from DVDs (njc) ["Les Irvin" ] dylan and the conspiracy theorists - NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: dylan and the conspiracy theorists - NJC ["amelio747" ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["ron" ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc [Randy Remote ] Re: thanks and other stuff SJC [Randy Remote ] Re: the impressive writer njc [Chris Marshall ] Got an ID? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Got an ID? ["Richard Flynn" ] Super Bowl Heresy - njc ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] RE: Got an ID? [magsnbrei ] Re: Sex Songs, was Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #58 [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc [Lori Fye ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Got an ID? NJC [magsnbrei ] Re: Got an ID? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc [magsnbrei ] Interview NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc [vince ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["Victor Johnson" ] baseball njc [vince ] Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc ["hell" ] naked women on album covers njc sjc implied [vince ] Re: naked women on album covers njc sjc implied [frasere@intergate.ca] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 03:38:28 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Bare flesh, cultural decline, etc. NJC Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc I am not offended by some bare flesh, nor do I believe we are going to the experience the wrath of God as a result of this mass media "wardrobe failure/costume reveal" (is that bullshit or what?). But nonetheless, this episode makes me a little ill. It's a particularly visible installment in an ongoing, massive wave of manipulative, pathetic, crass crap that is sweeping over the good old USA (and beyond), penetrating so deeply into our culture that it is widely considered acceptable (and also considered the only effective way to market/launch entertainment products, such as Janet's upcoming CD). Sorry to pontificate, it's just making me sick. Everything is so tacky, superficial and intended to shock. It doesn't shock, it simply nauseates. You might be saying "then turn off the TV," but I shouldn't have to turn it off in order to avoid crap like that. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:46:05 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: My doom (njc) My email server has been hit with over 12,000 pieces of the My.Doom virus in the past week and, as a result, most of "real" my mail was destroyed while trying to recover from the barrage. If you've sent me anything in the past week, please resend! Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:55:17 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: re: no way dylan njc >you write: 'remember the Big Yellow Taxi 12'' a few years back' >I don't, but what do ye mean a few years back? When you were 9? well, i don't actually remember them when they first came out but i thought you old folks would, that's why i phrased it that way. _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:20:08 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc I think dylan is who he says he is... Kids are so incredible these days, so many of them smarter & much more aware than I ever was at that age... I just listened to a song by an 11 year old girl that my friend at taylor guitars was raving about... She plays guitar, mandolin & violin... Here is here website: http://www.sierrahull.com/ go to discography & listen to her play lead guitar on Gold Rush... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:22:53 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: goddess or goodness Steve> No performance (although how many of us would give just about anything to see her perform live again- but that's beside the point.) but be open to it IF she offers. < I don't know ... I'll have to think about whether I'd be open to that steve :~} Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:36:51 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc > I believe you are 13. I asked my almost 13 year old son to spell >compliment this morning, and he asked me which one and proceeded to spell >compliment and complement, and to tell me the definitions of each and to >use them in >sentences. I was surprised and couldn't have as easily distinguished >between >those two words as well as he did. When he spelled complement, all I could >think of was the series of enzymatic proteins found in blood that are >involved >in immune responses. My son is in a private school. What is your school >like >Dylan? My school is terrible! Catholic, private, and a waste of my time in general. full of dumbasses. I'm in advanced english, advanced japanese, advanced advanced maths and it's still all pretty easy. Only four more years and the whole damn thing's out of the way, REAL life can begin. Your kid does sound brainy - what does he think of Joni? Oh, and I didn't even know there was two spellings of compliment! what is the other one for? >Love and admiration, >Laura aww, thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:21:50 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc In a message dated 2/4/04 4:36:59 AM Central Standard Time, dylan_rush@hotmail.com writes: > My school is terrible! Catholic, private, and a waste of my time in > general. I think you will appreciate your school more as you grow up. I went to Catholic schools too and cussed them most of the way. But, really those nuns saved my life. > full of dumbasses. So all your friends are smartasses, and you avoid the dumbasses? I'm in advanced english, advanced japanese, advanced > > advanced maths and it's still all pretty easy. Count your blessings! Have you read any Lord Byron? Japanese... I know a little of that because over the years I've worked with several Japanese neurosurgeons. Off the top of my head and spelled phonetically: Ohio gazimus. Guzu guzu suruna. Toileewa dokodeska. Solaja solaja. Sabeeiro. Only four more years and the > whole damn thing's out of the way, REAL life > can begin. Like college? I wouldn't exactly call that real life... It's a blast though. Well...from what I remember in between black outs from being drunk. I hope you don't waste your brain like I did mine. I still have a little bit left though. Your kid does sound > brainy - what does he think of Joni? I asked him, and he said he thinks she's a good singer. He likes Kate Bennett better though... all my kids like Kate better than Joni. Have you heard her album? My favorite song on her album is Promise Me... it reminds me of alcoholics anonymous, that no one has to know which is very comforting to me. Here's her website: Kate Bennett Oh, and I didn't even know there was > two spellings of compliment! what is > the other one for? Compliment: praising somebody, like saying your clothes look nice. Complement: completing or perfecting something, like woman complements man. In medicine, complement is a series of enzymes that "complements" the workings of the antibody/antigen complex. Have a good day Dylan! Keep learning and try to live in the moment... one day at a time. Love and joy, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:45:29 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc Hi Vince and everybody.. The problem for me is not showing her breast...but out of context with the event. For gosh sakes it was at half-time at a football game. Entire families watching...ma and pa...grandkids..grandmothers... Leave that stuff for cable. I found it cheesy..transparent...stupid. Also...what kind of message is that sending to boys? Hmmmm?? "Well...if she won't give it up..I'll just rip her clothing off!" Also the lie told...THAT IT WAS A CLOTHING FAILURE?!! Please....then to insult one's intelligence. The halftime event is aimed at the demographic of ..I believe..18 to 32 years old. Not for you or me ..people in the stands...but the people that buy ...buy..buy.. SO their attitude...is F%ck the rest of you ... I thought Janet was a little different..but she's not. AND....you know if the music is good enough...you don't have to resort to cheese. Bree >From: vince >Reply-To: vince >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc >Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:03:06 -0500 > >The halftime at the Superbowl offended me not a whit. It was typical and >normal and the dance that Justin did was the same one on the video of that >song and off a very good album - the fact that my grandsons might have seen >a flash of breast with pastie, big deal, and is far less obscene than G W >Bush and daily casualty figures and as well censorship of war footage. > >But as far as the super bowl - one of he ads for a viagra type drug was >giving the side effects and the announcer says, "An erection that lasts >more than 4 hours needs medical attention." That is far more offensive to >me intruding into our homes.... > >and more offensive: the refusal to run the MoveOn or PETA ads. > >A lot of the complaints abut the half time flash remind me of the footage >of the movie Woodstock where the townspeople fear girls taking their tops >off. We are now as a generation the old fogies we once criticized for >being so uptight. > >Vince _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:05:07 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Mindy Smith (NJC) alison e. in slc wrote: >np: mindy smith, one moment more (GO NOW AND BUY THIS RECORD!) Thought she did a great job on Jolene, but when I heard her song 'Come to Jesus' - - well, felt like my hair was standing on end, especially when the harmony vocal kicks in on "Worry not my daughters, worry not my sons" Love that sound! There's a good quality stream here - http://www.mindysmith.net/photosmusic.asp PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:27:01 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Mindy Smith (NJC) I saw Mindy Smith when she opened for Nickle Creek here a few months back. She is very good, indeed. Bought the advance EP at the show. Glad to know the record is out now. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Paul Castle Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:05 AM To: Alison E; jmdl Subject: Mindy Smith (NJC) alison e. in slc wrote: >np: mindy smith, one moment more (GO NOW AND BUY THIS RECORD!) Thought she did a great job on Jolene, but when I heard her song 'Come to Jesus' - - well, felt like my hair was standing on end, especially when the harmony vocal kicks in on "Worry not my daughters, worry not my sons" Love that sound! There's a good quality stream here - http://www.mindysmith.net/photosmusic.asp PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:28:26 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc Bree wrote: > The problem for me is not showing her breast...but out of context with the > event. - --Just goes to show what is happening to our culture in general. The importance of such an event. On rare occasions such as these I agree with the Republicans. Can't help but think of the Roman Colleseum and when the halftime entertainment is J. Jackson and J. Timberlake I wouldn't mind some wild animals being let loose. Now that would be entertainment. I was listening the radio the other day and heard a PP and M tune, the one where they sing about Cass and Michelle wailing-I forget the exact wording. I thought to myself 'where has music like that gone.' I don't care for anyone says, call me old, call me a dinosaur but that was music. For gosh sakes it was at half-time at a football game. Entire > families watching...ma and pa...grandkids..grandmothers... - --My mother was watching it for goodness sakes. Leave that > stuff for cable. I found it cheesy..transparent...stupid. - --Justin Timberlake. You have just described his music perfectly Bree. A no talent. Not what I call talent, to borrow a phrase. SO their attitude...is F%ck the rest of you .. - --Actually, fuck them. I didn't even watch. My 84 year mother told me about it. . > > I thought Janet was a little different..but she's not. - --She's a Jackson. Enough said. > > AND....you know if the music is good enough...you don't have to resort to > cheese. - --And it isn't. I have listened and listened and listened for months now, at the urging of friends and family, and still have yet to hear anything recently put out that is anything but garbage, with the exception of two mystery tunes on the radio. The radio, that doesn't bother to tell us who anyone is anymore. Disgusted with the entire mess. mack > > Bree > > > > > > >From: vince > >Reply-To: vince > >CC: joni@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc > >Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:03:06 -0500 > > > >The halftime at the Superbowl offended me not a whit. It was typical and > >normal and the dance that Justin did was the same one on the video of that > >song and off a very good album - the fact that my grandsons might have seen > >a flash of breast with pastie, big deal, and is far less obscene than G W > >Bush and daily casualty figures and as well censorship of war footage. > > > >But as far as the super bowl - one of he ads for a viagra type drug was > >giving the side effects and the announcer says, "An erection that lasts > >more than 4 hours needs medical attention." That is far more offensive to > >me intruding into our homes.... > > > >and more offensive: the refusal to run the MoveOn or PETA ads. > > > >A lot of the complaints abut the half time flash remind me of the footage > >of the movie Woodstock where the townspeople fear girls taking their tops > >off. We are now as a generation the old fogies we once criticized for > >being so uptight. > > > >Vince > > _________________________________________________________________ > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. > http://wine.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:29:08 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: New John Kelly JM tribute show http://www.playbill.com/news/article/84172.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:33:49 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: impressive writer, njc (Dylan) wrote: > My school is terrible! Catholic, private, and a waste of my time in general. > full of dumbasses. I'm in advanced english, advanced japanese, advanced > advanced maths and it's still all pretty easy. Only four more years and the > whole damn thing's out of the way, REAL life can begin. Your kid does sound > brainy - what does he think of Joni? Oh, and I didn't even know there was > two spellings of compliment! what is the other one for? First, the writing that obviously wasn't from a teenager and, now, this forced writing trying to write like a teenager would. Not too clever and definitely not foxy. I agree with Marianne, I don't believe it either. Advanced English and doesn't know there are too spellings of compli(e)ment. REAL life. brainy. These are terms an older person would use to try to capture vernacular they aren't familiar with. I suggest to whomever is attempting this hoax spend some time at the local mall and try again. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:46:14 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Extracting audio from DVDs (njc) A few months ago, someone asked how to extract audio from DVDs. Whoever you were... Please email me privately if you still need an answer. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:08:11 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: dylan and the conspiracy theorists - NJC ok, so there's this new-ish guy on the list. his name is dylan, and he says he's 13. he's had some pretty interesting questions and observations, and he's started some joni-related threads in some fairly unexplored territory, and he's not started any drama, and he hasn't offended anyone (to my knowledge, at least). now here come some of us old fogeys... and what started out as a "wow-aren't-you-cool-beyond-your-years" thing has turned into some sort of capital-c Conspiracy Theory about what dylan's actual age might be. but why does it matter?? what if he's 13, and he's really clever and erudite and cool, and we chase him off - who wins? what if he's 18 or 35 or 57? he's still really clever and erudite and cool. and isn't that the type of person we hope each new lister turns out to be? i'd almost rather talk about US politics! cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 12:05:45 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: the impressive writer njc >From: "mackoliver" Reply-To: "mackoliver" > To: "joni" Subject: Re: impressive >writer, njc Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:33:49 -0600 >(Dylan) wrote: >>My school is terrible! Catholic, private, and a waste of my time in >>general. full of dumbasses. I'm in advanced english, advanced japanese, >>advanced advanced maths and it's still all pretty easy. Only four more >>years and the whole damn thing's out of the way, REAL life can begin. Your >>kid does sound brainy - what does he think of Joni? Oh, and I didn't even >>know there was two spellings of compliment! what is the other one for? >First, the writing that obviously wasn't from a teenager and, now, this >forced writing trying to write like a teenager would. Not too clever and >definitely not foxy. I agree with Marianne, I don't believe it either. >Advanced English and doesn't know there are too spellings of compli(e)ment. >REAL life. brainy. These are terms an older person would use to try to >capture vernacular they aren't familiar with. I suggest to whomever is >attempting this hoax spend some time at the local mall and try again. >mack To:"Dylan Rush," I decided to put no effort into finding a way to meet you in Sydney (as you say). I am convinced you are not who you say you are. No time left for you. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:33:32 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: dylan and the conspiracy theorists - NJC Cynthia, I agree with you, but I got to say I'm finding this whole thing hilarious! Umm...but anways yes... I don't think accusations should be made so lightly because it could offend. And this Joni lyric springs to mind: "The old hate the young That's the whole heartless thing" * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Vickery" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: dylan and the conspiracy theorists - NJC > ok, so there's this new-ish guy on the list. his name is dylan, > and he says he's 13. he's had some pretty interesting questions > and observations, and he's started some joni-related threads in > some fairly unexplored territory, and he's not started any drama, > and he hasn't offended anyone (to my knowledge, at least). > > now here come some of us old fogeys... and what started out as a > "wow-aren't-you-cool-beyond-your-years" thing has turned into > some sort of capital-c Conspiracy Theory about what dylan's > actual age might be. > > but why does it matter?? > > what if he's 13, and he's really clever and erudite and cool, and > we chase him off - who wins? > what if he's 18 or 35 or 57? he's still really clever and > erudite and cool. and isn't that the type of person we hope each > new lister turns out to be? > > > i'd almost rather talk about US politics! > > cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: dylan and the conspiracy theorists - NJC --- Cynthia Vickery wrote: > ok, so there's this new-ish guy on the list. his > name is dylan, > and he says he's 13. he's had some pretty > interesting questions > and observations, and he's started some joni-related > threads in > some fairly unexplored territory, and he's not > started any drama, > and he hasn't offended anyone (to my knowledge, at > least). > > now here come some of us old fogeys... and what > started out as a > "wow-aren't-you-cool-beyond-your-years" thing has > turned into > some sort of capital-c Conspiracy Theory about what > dylan's > actual age might be. > > but why does it matter?? > Thanks, Cindy. My sentiments exactly. What if...? Who cares? What reason would he have to lie about it? If he were lying, would it change your life? It wouldn't change mine. Dylan, I enjoy your posts. And my kids use the phrase "dumbass" frequently. It's one of the more polite names they call people ;-) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:51:41 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc > The problem for me is not showing her breast...but out of context with the > event. For gosh sakes it was at half-time at a football game. Entire > families watching...ma and pa...grandkids..grandmothers... Leave that > stuff for cable. I found it cheesy..transparent...stupid. Also...what > kind of message is that sending to boys? Hmmmm?? I agree...this has nothing to do with being prude about nudity. There's a proper place for everything. Norah Jones has a new album coming out next week. You don't see her stripping on national television. Spike Lee has made some comments which are below... Lee, speaking at Kent State University's regional campus in Stark County, Ohio, on Tuesday night, said there has been a decline in artistry. He said it's not enough to be a good singer, and that entertainers "have to do something extra" - such as the openmouthed kiss Madonna gave Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera during the MTV Video Music Awards in August. "What's gonna be next? It's getting crazy, and it's all down to money. Money and fame," said Lee, the director of "Malcolm X" and "Do the Right Thing." "Somehow the whole value system has been upended." (AP writers Seth Sutel and Nekesa Mumbi Moody contributed to this report.) Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:49:52 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc hi >>>>> Bree wrote: >>>> > The problem for me is ot showing her breast...but out of context with the event.<<<<< >>>>>>>mack wrote >>>>>> --Just goes to show what is happening to our culture in general. The importance of such an event well, personally, i get really tired of all this tacky sex everywhere all the time. there really is something wrong when its all you see all day every day. at least it could be treated with a little bit of dignity & respect. the relationship aspect of sex just winds up being totally trivialised. people just become more & more obsessed with it the press just plays along. & "stars" go all out for a bit of free publicity - flash a boob & double your sales........... it really does get boring. thank god for the occasional boy george - who once said he'd sometimes rather have a cup of tea than sex. (im not sure that id go that far personally - but its just nice to have a refreshing perspective like that) .......................................... so what songs are there out there that do deal with sex in a mature and somewhat meaningful way???? how about lucinda williams with "right in time" maria muldaur does a nice song on one of her older live albums - i really cant think of the track right now tho (& im too lazy to look thru that disorganised mess that passes for a cd rack - hell, at least theyre out of the cardboard boxes now :-) rory block does a couple of good ones as well - again i cant think of specifics mary chapin carpenter says "shuttup & kiss me" & sings about "passionate kisses" ron np - maria muldaur - southland of the heart (the perfect antidote when youre sick of all the shallow shit floating around!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:42:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc KJHSF@aol.com wrote: > Seriously, though, I totally agree with you about the half-time show. Who > cares? They're making mountains out of molehills. That's exactly what her plastic surgeon said! And while I agree it was a sleazy and desperate ploy, the main event is a bunch of overamped gladiators breaking bones and causing concussions (sometimes, anyway) for possession of a trophy that represents milliions of dollars for a sports franchise owned by millionaires. A thirty second commercial for artery- clogging fast food or brain cell burning beer costs 2 million dollars. And a woman's breast is obscene. What a head-up-it's-ass culture. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:45:50 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: thanks and other stuff SJC Alison E wrote: > ... my company is > publishing a book by a man named Gene Anthony this > fall. > It > will be an amazing book full of neverbeforepublished > photos of everyone from Bill graham to ginsburg to the > dead to janis to jimmy and everyone else important to > the era. it's one of the most exciting projects i've > had the pleasure of working on. That's really cool, Alison. I have one of Gene's books, and he is one great photographer. I hope they use your "Back to the Garden" title. Please keep us posted. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:01:07 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: the impressive writer njc On 4 Feb 2004, at 17:05, Marianne Rizzo wrote: > To:"Dylan Rush," > > I decided to put no effort into finding a way to meet you in Sydney > (as you say). I am convinced you are not who you say you are. A quick look at e-mail headers confirms that Dylan's posts are indeed originating in Sydney. And a bit of a dig around on Google suggests that Dylan (a) really is 13 or (b) passes himself off as a 13 y.o. on other music forums on the internet. For instance: an S&L review on www.eopinions.com:- http://www.epinions.com/content_114687118980 If you're going to try and pass yourself off as younger than you are, you're going to do it in interactive forums. Why bother on a site with little or no interaction? Therefore, I suspect he is telling the truth, even though, like many, his command of english seems amazing for one so young, as is his breadth of musical taste. It's a funny, and surprising, world out there... - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 16:33:57 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Got an ID? Cashier: Can I help you? Customer: Hi - I'd like to buy these CD's... Cashier: Let's see what ya got here...Coldplay, Dashboard Confessional, cool, hey wait a minute, what's up with this? Customer: What do you mean? It's Joni Mitchell - I think she's awesome! Cashier: Sure, but do you have an ID? Customer: What? Cashier: An ID...some form of identification that tells me you're over 18... Customer: But I'm not...I'm 13. But I'm wise beyond my years... Cashier: Listen punk, don't give me that crap. You can't appreciate Joni at your age, you must be buying this for your Mom or something or as a thank you gift for some old queen. It couldn't be for you. No 13-year-old is into Joni! Customer: Well, I am! I'm even a member of a worldwide discussion list for Joni. Cashier: Enough! Either prove to me that you're old enough to appreciate this music or get the hell out of my store! Next thing you're gonna tell me is that you're Dylan! Customer: Well, um, as a matter of fact...on second thought, never mind... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:52:32 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Got an ID? This is pretty funny, Bob. Still, I think Marianne is wise to be cautious about meeting someone in Sydney who purports to be 13 if she has only "met" him on the internet ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 4:34 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Got an ID? Cashier: Can I help you? Customer: Hi - I'd like to buy these CD's... Cashier: Let's see what ya got here...Coldplay, Dashboard Confessional, cool, hey wait a minute, what's up with this? Customer: What do you mean? It's Joni Mitchell - I think she's awesome! Cashier: Sure, but do you have an ID? Customer: What? Cashier: An ID...some form of identification that tells me you're over 18... Customer: But I'm not...I'm 13. But I'm wise beyond my years... Cashier: Listen punk, don't give me that crap. You can't appreciate Joni at your age, you must be buying this for your Mom or something or as a thank you gift for some old queen. It couldn't be for you. No 13-year-old is into Joni! Customer: Well, I am! I'm even a member of a worldwide discussion list for Joni. Cashier: Enough! Either prove to me that you're old enough to appreciate this music or get the hell out of my store! Next thing you're gonna tell me is that you're Dylan! Customer: Well, um, as a matter of fact...on second thought, never mind... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:27:20 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Super Bowl Heresy - njc Check out salon magazine Friday or Saturday and see my great political and economic thoughts , my bar where I lunch daily but not me other than in the background, is on Bill Moyers on friday night, and I am pretaping for CBS morning show tomorrow - but whether that will air I don't know but maybe Friday or Saturday if it does. I will let you all know if anyone cares. As for the halftime show - I remain contrary. When Bob Fosse did Steam Heat in Pajama Game, how much more risque or sexual was that than the Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson dance? I'd say.... none. And certainly anyone who saw Fosse's All That Jazz saw far more in some of those dances, especially that one dance, than we saw in the half time show. This is not the decline of western civilization. It was a stunt. Oh, imagine that, a stunt, how shocking, shocking that a breast with a strategically placed pastie was on tv as if that has never been done before. What next, will Janet Jackson appear nude on photographs in her album art? This is a lot of folderol about nothing, in my opinion. The reason that I am in some national media (I have not told you about tohers, I am not always shameless huckster) is that I am a "community leader" in a community going down the tubes economically, losing an astounding percentage of our jobs and looking at horrendous hard times again and people are going on about a breast? The going on and on about the (not naked) breast is the real circus and not the breast itself. Ho hum. Another breast. Meanwhile in the real world ------ well, watch Bill Moyers, read Salon, see CBS morning news. As Meryl Streep said when she won her Golden Globe a few Sundays ago, "I don't think athletes using steroids and who wants to marry who are the real issues facing America." Exactly, Meryl, and neither is Janet Jackson's breast. My 8 year old and my 4 year old grandsons can see all the breasts tv has to show and I don't care. That a war is still going that was waged for false pretenses based on lies which is where the father of one grandson is, that we are losing almost all the manufacturing jobs in this part of the state and there are no jobs for the parents and other family members of my grandsons to work at, then, then I find that obscene. Besides, every teen age boy and some adult women got a thrill out of Janet Jackson and what is so gosh darn wrong with that. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:31:34 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: RE: Got an ID? Richard Flynn wrote: This is pretty funny, Bob. Still, I think Marianne is wise to be cautious about meeting someone in Sydney who purports to be 13 if she has only "met" him on the internet ;-) moi, chiming in with...... imagine having the chutzpah to meet someone you've communicated with via email only, from some "internet" group. dunno, sounds pretty risky to me. Mags ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:48:05 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Sex Songs, was Super Bowl Halftime - njc ron asked, meaningfully: > so what songs are there out there that do deal with sex in a mature and > somewhat meaningful way???? > > how about lucinda williams with "right in time" > I think "right in time" is more about loss than sex, but, with tongue planted FIRMLY in cheek, I offer (from memory): Joan Osbourne: "Let's Just Get Naked" ("...I hope it wasn't just the drugs...") George Michael: "Faith" ("What's your definition of dirty, Baby/What do you consider pornography?") Little Feat: "Rocket in My Pocket" (Pick a lyric, ANY lyric!) Allman Bros: "One Way Out" ("I'm foolish to be here in the first place/I know some man gonna walk in, take my place") Ry Cooder: "The Very Thing (That Makes You Rich, Makes Me Poor)" ("'Coz she's got somethin'/ that make a man/ Put that money/ Right in her hand") and last but not least... Jimmy Buffett: "(Why Don't We) Get Drunk and Screw" How many nights-in-the-bar have ended with THAT boozy chorus? Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:14:33 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Got an ID? NJC Mags wrote: > imagine having the chutzpah to meet someone you've > communicated with via email only, from some "internet" group. > > dunno, sounds pretty risky to me. Me too - and imagine flying halfway around the world and actually staying in the homes of people you've never met before, except via email. God knows what could happen - you might have to stay up until 3am every night to talk about music. The horror! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - now even MORE new and improved! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:21:58 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #58 I am positive I read on the PBS website for American Master's that Joni Mitchell is a US citizen now. A great addition, I may add, to our country. kardinel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:57:50 -0800 (PST) From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc Ken wrote: > Maybe Janet should have ripped off Justin's shirt--you know, > a little tit-for-tat. LOL! Pun intended? Being on vacation in Arizona, I haven't read this entire thread, but what I want to know most is this: Why isn't anyone in the media decrying the action of Justin Timberlake ripping away Janet Jackson's bodice? Everyone seems to be complaining that Janet's breast was exposed, as if breasts are ugly (and really, how Puritan a reaction). But no one seems to mind the (hardly) subliminal message that public humiliation and/or rape of women (or men) is okay. Lori, at the public library in Sedona ~ Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:41:32 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc Hey Bree - I so agree with your analysis of the message sent to young boys and to young women with the roles we present and encourage them to embrace. Yanking on your joint and singing about taking your clothes off - is both a song and an action my neice and nephew both imitate - ugh! Now I am far from a prude .. ahem - very far ... but I must be getting old cause I saw little or no talent and hope . Although I do think Janet is a great performer - although not crazy about her music - I do find her dynamic. And let's not forget her love of Joni. And one other thing, I was glad for the breast disclosure - and not cause I am a lesbian. But I loved after censoring anti-Bush ads that CBS had this shoved in their face - so to speak. Once again sexploitation is ok and excepted but freedom of speech does not ring! As I have said elsewhere, I would like to think that the performers pulled off this as a slap in the face to CBS and its censorship policies. I would like to think that anyway. And looking at the bright side - I now find I have open and excepting ears now when I talk about Clear Channel and the media being under the thumb of the right wing. So if there is a positive - there you have it. Finally, as for Kid Rock - besides skanky ... can you say double wide - trailer that is. OK there I feel better now - LOL! Peace, Susan Bree Mcdonough wrote: ..the problem for me is not showing her breast...but out of context with the event. For gosh sakes it was at half-time at a football game. Entire families watching...ma and pa...grandkids..grandmothers... Leave that stuff for cable. I found it cheesy..transparent...stupid. Also...what kind of message is that sending to boys? Hmmmm?? "Well...if she won't give it up..I'll just rip her clothing off!" Also the lie told...THAT IT WAS A CLOTHING FAILURE?!! Please....then to insult one's intelligence. AND....you know if the music is good enough...you don't have to resort to cheese. Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Got an ID? NJC LOL! Hell, yea imagine that!!!! and thanks for adding the NJC for me, speaking of the horrors...that one escaped before I could grab onto the stop button.. big time oops ;-) Mags, wondering how she's ever going to explain all of her wonderful friends she knows from *gasp* doing that same said thing...... *gasp* . hell wrote: Mags wrote: > imagine having the chutzpah to meet someone you've > communicated with via email only, from some "internet" group. > > dunno, sounds pretty risky to me. Me too - and imagine flying halfway around the world and actually staying in the homes of people you've never met before, except via email. God knows what could happen - you might have to stay up until 3am every night to talk about music. The horror! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - now even MORE new and improved! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:04:23 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Got an ID? NJC **Still, I think Marianne is wise to be cautious about meeting someone in Sydney who purports to be 13 if she has only "met" him on the internet ** It's an individual choice to be sure, but if I have to make a choice between fear & faith I generally always go for the latter. Like Cindy, I just didn't see what any of the issue is. Last Jonifest I met an amazing 14-year-old girl who was brilliant and had loved and analyzed Joni's work since she could read. And like Mags, I was excited to meet a friend that I had only e-mailed with. The first JMDLer I met was also the first one she met; only difference was that while Brian & I enjoyed Chinese buffet food and cold beer, they ended up getting married. A risk-free life? I don't think it exists, and who would want it anyway? The things I regret in life are ALWAYS the things I haven't done as opposed to the things I have, even if they were mistakes. Bob NP: Ben Folds, "Selfless, Cold & Composed" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:04:50 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc I really dont mean to fan the flames at all, however, let's do a little math equation here Loori: Janet Jackson = female Justin Timberlake = male read: the situation, by some, would most likely be perceived as Janet's fault . After all........look how she's dressed....isn't she asking for it? Oh and did I mention that statistically, Super Bowl Sunday is deemed the highest incidence of male violence perpetrated against female partners? Mags, who really does need to go back into lurkdom but couldnt resist this one np: I Think I Understand , Joni . Lori Fye wrote: Ken wrote: > Maybe Janet should have ripped off Justin's shirt--you know, > a little tit-for-tat. LOL! Pun intended? Being on vacation in Arizona, I haven't read this entire thread, but what I want to know most is this: Why isn't anyone in the media decrying the action of Justin Timberlake ripping away Janet Jackson's bodice? Everyone seems to be complaining that Janet's breast was exposed, as if breasts are ugly (and really, how Puritan a reaction). But no one seems to mind the (hardly) subliminal message that public humiliation and/or rape of women (or men) is okay. Lori, at the public library in Sedona ~ Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:42:26 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Interview NJC I just did an interview with someone who has a website devoted to music... She is very passionate about music so I really enjoyed answering her questions. I mentioned Joni a few times too! Here is the link if anyone is interested: http://voicesandvisions.skybleedsscorpio.com/html/mb.html#kate Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:17:45 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc (mags, I love you, you know that, this is not written to be against you, not at all, you are precious to me but I disagree with something here) magsnbrei wrote: >read: the situation, by some, would most likely be perceived as Janet's fault > except Janet has a new album coming out and the Grammies (hosted by CBS, wow, coincidence) are next Sunday and Janet is scheduled to perform and the Jackson's know something about PR and she has taken credit (as it were) for this and Janet has gotten more airtime this last week than she has in years just before her new album comes out, imagine that I seriously believe everyone everywhere is missing the point and I doubt that everyone who has commented on it actually watched the Super Bowl unless we have a lot more football fans here than I knew - I suspect a lot of people are getting their news second hand before the half time show there was a commercial where a horse passes gas and a match is lit and horse feces ends up all over a woman and that was the punch line of the commercial after the half-time show, a commercial about 4 hour erections the first is violence against women and offensive in the extreme the second is tasteless and offensive and not needed in family settings but flash a little beast and everyone is all over that.... Powell and the FCC are all over the media wanting to fine everything CBS for the breast but where is the outcry against flinging horse manure on a woman? when does the real offensive stuff get protested? the priorities, I can't agree with I hope my grandsons both grow up to think that a Fosse style dance routine is what it is and know what is offensive and what was offensive on Sunday was most definately not the Timberlake-Jackson routine Vince still waiting for someone to respond to my earlier statement of fear that Janet's next tasteless act might be nude pictures of herself on her albums and the CBS pre-interviews have been moved to Friday, not tomorrow as I was told earlier - and I am not discussing this on CBS... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:37:16 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc > Vince > still waiting for someone to respond to my earlier statement of fear > that Janet's next tasteless act might be nude pictures of herself on her > albums She has appeared nude on an album before. I agree that way too much attention has been given to this halftime show which I half paid attention to when I saw it and honestly, didn't even notice the little slip. I was much more interested in the game which I thoroughly enjoyed and I think in the future, more of the focus should be brought back to the game itself. Many people prefer college ball to NFL....more heart in it perhaps? Enough of football...I'm looking forward to spring training, and wondering who Maddux is going to end up with. The most recent report is that the Dodgers are interested. Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:49:32 -0500 From: vince Subject: baseball njc Victor Johnson wrote: >> >> >Enough of football...I'm looking forward to spring training, and wondering >who Maddux is going to end up with. The most recent report is that the >Dodgers are interested. > > > I much prefer college football to the pros - and I switch my Michigan football coat to my Sox baseball coat once the M bowl game is played. if the Sox aren't signing Maddux, and we aren't, damn it, I think that LA would be an excellent place for this most wonderful pitcher - what a great pitcher Maddux has been and still is. I am ready for some baseball. Had to skip SoxFest for financial reasons but will not miss opening day. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:34:47 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Super Bowl Halftime - njc Vince wrote: > still waiting for someone to respond to my earlier statement of fear > that Janet's next tasteless act might be nude pictures of herself on her > albums You're kidding, aren't you? What kind of loose woman would do that ;o)?! Hell P.S. I didn't see the Superbowl (believe it or not, American football is no big deal over here) but judging from the comments about the event in question, I probably see worse things on regular (non-cable) TV on a daily basis, not to mention the local free music channel..... ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - now even MORE new and improved! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:36:32 -0500 From: vince Subject: naked women on album covers njc sjc implied >Vince wrote: > > > >>still waiting for someone to respond to my earlier statement of fear >>that Janet's next tasteless act might be nude pictures of herself on her >>albums >> >> >hell responds: >You're kidding, aren't you? What kind of loose woman would do that ;o)?! > > > Yoko Ono? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:50:07 -0800 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Re: naked women on album covers njc sjc implied Quoting vince : > >Vince wrote: > >>still waiting for someone to respond to my earlier statement of fear > >>that Janet's next tasteless act might be nude pictures of herself on her > >>albums > >hell responds: > >You're kidding, aren't you? What kind of loose woman would do that ;o)?! Vince replied: > Yoko Ono? Or how about that Joni Mitchell gal on the album For the Roses?? best Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #59 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)