From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #54 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 31 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 054 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Sent in error (NJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Playing problems ["Kate Bennett" ] Playing problems ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Hi njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni mention in the movie + Sondheim ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] RE: NJC Re: Cath's Surresonant Self-intro, part 2 - NJC [Magic ] Re: Whatever that was all about [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: and this too [PassScribe@aol.com] Snow ["jlobello" ] Re: Queen Joni Approximately [Randy Remote ] Re: kucinich (sorry catherine) njc PC [Randy Remote ] Joni content - Trina was real [Randy Remote ] Today's Library Links: January 31 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:57:28 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: Sent in error (NJC) On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, WirlyPearl@aol.com = Pearl in Florida wrote (on Subject: Sent in error) Hi guys, I'm a few days behind on digests and was going through them at 5 am. I was surprised and saddened to hear of Kakki's father's passing. I thought I was forwarding the note from Scott to my email address but I accidentally copied it as well as info on Fred Simon's CD and sent them to the list. Both are things I wanted to refer to again. I guess you all needed to read them again as well. At least you know I'm still out here. My best to you, Pearl in Florida - ------------------------------ Comment: Two messages above this on the only-Joni Digest was your message wrapped around Scott's note. As Scott's note was NJC, I didn't see it before, so, I needed to read it the first time, and I'm glad I did, and I therefore thank you. Kakki, if you're reading this, please accept my sympathy. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. P.S. If there is any response -- not that there should be -- please send me a copy directly. If it is NJC, I won't see it on the only-Joni Digest. While I don't doubt that I am missing some things of interest, the o-JD plus its links sometimes takes over an hour to read, and I simply haven't time for more. T.A.S. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:54:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Playing problems I recall a recent discussion of something similar on another musician list I am on but it had to do with finger pain...there was such a wide variety of responses, dignosis & solution among folks...my reaction is to urge you not to consider surgery without another opinion...ask questions, listen to what your intuition tells you as to whether you think the diagnosis & procedure is correct...western medicine is great with diagnosis but often limited with its ability to heal (relying sometimes too quickly on drugs & surgery)... Hope you will be fine & good luck! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:54:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Playing problems I recall a recent discussion of something similar on another musician list I am on but it had to do with finger pain...there was such a wide variety of responses, dignosis & solution among folks...my reaction is to urge you not to consider surgery without another opinion...ask questions, listen to what your intuition tells you as to whether you think the diagnosis & procedure is correct...western medicine is great with diagnosis but often limited with its ability to heal (relying sometimes too quickly on drugs & surgery)... Hope you will be fine & good luck! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:57:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Hi njc Welcome, you finally made it in to the inner circle! > --- jlobello wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I may be new to the group, but not to Joni. Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:16:20 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Joni mention in the movie + Sondheim My apologies if this has already been mentioned. I just watched the movie "Camp" about a bunch of talented young adults who went to Camp Ovation to train and further hone their musicality. In one scene, a guy was discussing music with the girl and the girl answered. "I love Joni Mitchell. I have all of her records." Its great to see a character portrayed onscreen as someone with sensitivity and soul as loving Joni MItchell. If I remember right, Kirsten Dunst's character in this other movie whose name I forget (but is based on "Midsummer Night's Dream")did say that she also likes Joni MItchell. Patrick, I thought about you in "Camp" because the characters are all wild about Sondheim. And Sondheim himself appeared in the film as himself. Man, he looks like my next-door neighbor. Are you sure Sondheim's from New York and not North Carolina? Joseph in North Carolina Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:23:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: kucinich (sorry catherine) njc PC LONG Among those who I know personally who said they voted for Nader said it was because they felt that was that voting your conscience decision but they were torn & would have voted for Gore if they hadn't voted for Nader... Sigh... Debra >It might be that if Nader had gotten out of the race and asked his followers to vote for Gore, they would NOT have, and just would not have voted at all. It's impossible to know for sure what would have happened if the Green Party hadn't pulled some of the liberal vote, but I think it's possible that many of them would have voted for Gore< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:10:16 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #52 > I just recently acquired a vinyl copy of Miles of Aisles in mint condition. It > is better (and more fun) than the CD version because the audience/Joni > interchange has not be cut out as it has been in the CD. The dam record > company cut it out just to get the music to fit on one CD instead of making it > a two CD set in its entirety. Cheap bastards! THANKS for that!! I have gone thru HELL on Ebay this week, to buy this on CD..now I will be thinking .....what am I missing?!! and thru my head will be running the words..cheap bastards...cheap bastards...may be in keeping time with the music? But then I always feel the same about 'Absolutely Live' the DOORS on vinyl..I find a lot of Jims interaction with the audience annoying and only put this album on every 5 years..I actually prefer the cassette version..which has a lot of the interaction missing! I love the bit on the tape/cassette inside cover.... Aside from the 'editing necessary' to assemble the music into album form, the recording is an organic documentary and absolutely live! and thanks for spoiling the Last Waltz for me.....now they DO seem like bloomin hippies!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:16:06 -0800 From: Magic Subject: RE: NJC Re: Cath's Surresonant Self-intro, part 2 - NJC Wally, Though I responded to you personally awhile ago, I'd just like to add: "Don't encourage him!!" :~} I took to the refuge of the roads when my apologies were not accepted? I hereby apologize again to one and all if ever I offended your tenderness, but my memory is dim and dimmerer, but know that you helped me, a lot. My dentist has placed 2 Excel graphs I did on her wall! Clients have responded enthusiastically! I quoted them at $20 for the pair, though there are 40,000 cell-calculations and 5 years of effort separating chaos and order (one is orderly, one is chaotic), but she said she'll ask for considerably more. I showed her 2 of my Christmas paintings with diatribes all over the backs and edges and she read these with great interest! It seems some people like notes of purport? Like these visions, of Johannah? - Leonard Cohen. Did Joni occupy the visage, or vice-versa? Keeping it shorter, love, C+G BTW, Wally, thanks again for testing your grad students with my simple a+b = a*b formula. Did they get the concept of Equated=Neutralized Operators? The most elegant formula I know is r=x, where "x"= angle theta and "r" is the length of the radius, thus forming/fitting a simple spiral. [r+x = r*x] is a corollary of mine. Challenge them to determine the area within a spiral using it? It bepuzzled the Greeks I'm told but I think I've solved it, if less than elegantly. Since it measures the energy of a black hole, I shall not easily be untwisted of the answer my friend!! Hint: the radix of pi is a force f(x). Lifeforms are so tubular, dude! EnergyThought spins down the length of the DNA double-helix, but how to prove it? Acid knots form frets? Sound is a form of magnetism? Pianissimo ... "xhohx" ... surresonately. Wormholes are houles of torusional math. Torii fusions are spheroidal. See "Standard Curves and Surfaces", approx. p. 271 for the symbol-paths. Extend the curve-spheroid as a multiplicity counter-clockwise via sin, cos. Easy! But the results are chaotic! Orders exist in very narrow variable-ranges. Ergo, most energy is chaotic. Try curve-fitting lightning bolts. Love, Thor, Odin, Bragi, and Lokika et al. When our inner lightning (neural lotus-fire) is a McLuhanesque message-massage, a la Partridge's "Origins" for prefixes and suffixes, they'll have thought-cathecteds. And the chronaxial limn. The 3 Fates and 3 Weirds and 3 Muses became the 9 Muses I was told; each honored their parents, the question-words. Question: Why does English have only 7? If Erato's poetry answered "What?" definitionally, what does Sophocles tell us of "When?", "Where?=Weir?", etc? Supposedly, they had no dictionary/ies? Awe=Wow? Eh? Logic grows in the cracks between, like echinoderms=symbols. Is there any Greek drama which(?) contains a question-word extant? Hint=Thin. What's the skinny? Some tangent touching? Love you too. That's where it's at ... "ssshhhhuuuuuussssssshhhhhhh" = xoxox [Anagrammattic Logic exhausts all the possibilities of the symbol-set, where Possibility=God] Swami Ji+Xhohx = Xoxannah = Je+Sus; cg + Ra + e = grace. c=g when Jesus discusses camel(s). Ahhhh, but what key was He in? A=r when "ars" means word(s). "e" is both prefix and suffix, if elyssian=olympian=limn. So we have "-ly" for adverbs, which bring ]he ear back to equilibrium actually. Q: Does Joni end a phrase with an adverb? Why? When? How? While? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:46:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Cath's Surresonant Self-intro, part 2 - NJC you will never EVER be ignore, oh vierge. didn't we guess you IN after all? love, wally (formerly wallyburger, you know who i am!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:46:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Queen Joni Approximately Thanks, that article was great bob! But...strange looking & not lovely? What drugs was he taking...LOL "JONI MITCHELL was a stranger in a strange land - twice removed from her native Canada, new to California from America's East Coast. She was strange-looking, too, willowy but hip, pretty but not quite lovely, a Scandinavian squaw with flaxen hair and big teeth and Cubist cheekbones." >A long article, lots of stuff you already know but probably some stuff that you don't: http://www.rocksbackpages.com/news/2501_hoskyns_joni.html Bob< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:42:11 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Whatever that was all about << From: Magic Subject: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction Hi everyone! Allow me to introduce myself, point by painful painted pint: (...etc., etc., etc.....) 06) I expect some of you to ignore the math, others the logic, others the perceptilogical-etymological humming-alongs, still others my mood, which has improved by sharing my pain. Love, and Cathec]ion, Heart and Humor, and Humility ... "AND" = "LOVE"; Proved; Cath >> Sorry, but I ignored the whole thing... made my head hurt. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:48:21 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: and this too << From: Magic Subject: Cath's Surresonant Self-intro, part 2 - VLJC Hi again everyone! Today my mood is improved. Yesterday, I tried to communicate with my computer and explain that, '... if it was going to worship me, it should know who I am.' Happily, it did not respond, so I believe neither of us are deluded. Today my mood is improved. Yesterday, I explained to my computer how to obliterate all mathematical logic by neutralizing the concept of operators (and values, functions, rationalized variables, etc). However, I used operators to do so, so I was caught in hypocrisy. Hypercrisy would seem to be trying to use yet more operators, eg. words, to make my poignant point. from the open "PEN" of ... Cath, and Circe, aka Tereus P.S. Anyone ever read "The Myth of Freedom" by Chogyam Trungpa, was it? >> I'm trying to ignore but the sheer volume and intensity is impressive. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:01:50 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Snow Chris, I live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan right on Lake Superior and snow has to be up to mid thigh before they even start to consider closing the schools around here. Crit as in sand? (or do they use rock salt, or a combination of salt and sand on icy sidewalks over there?). Later, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:13:37 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Queen Joni Approximately Some great photos of Joni, too, including performing at Big Sur with Nash looking on, and the hands-down dorkiest photo of David Crosby ever... also quotes from Croz about Joni.....speaking of Croz- he was scheduled to play Kilborn last night-his name was even on the on-screen guide- but he was replaced by B Bacharach and Ron Isley..wassup? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > A long article, lots of stuff you already know but probably > some stuff that you don't: > > http://www.rocksbackpages.com/news/2501_hoskyns_joni.html > > Bob > > NP: Helmet, "Milquetoast" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:58:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: kucinich (sorry catherine) njc PC > Randy Remote wrote: > > > Ummm..I thought it was the Supreme Court that cost Gore the > > election by deciding not to count all the votes. > dsk wrote: > I don't think counting all the votes is the main issue, although that's > what the court cases were about. What made it such a dishonest election > was that not everyone was allowed to vote, especially people in counties > where traditionally most people support the Democrats. That's the crime. > And there's no dispute about that happening, some people being turned > away, machines not working, that kind of dirty stuff ...and that's just the beginning- as detailed in "Stupid White Men", Michael Moore reveals how the Bush team hired a firm to knowingly and deliberately expunge people from the voter roles for things like having a name similar to a felon's.... Moore btw got his info from mainstream new sources, and it has not been disproven, in fact, finally, Jeb's people had to promise to fix the violations, which they did....two years later, AFTER Jeb's re-election.... > randy said: > ....I can also relate > > to the idea that it's better to have your sleazebags up front about > > their agenda (Bush) than trying to pass themselves off as liberal while > > selling the farm (Clinton). deb said: > EXCEPT THAT Bush is NOT upfront about his agenda! He constantly says one > thing and does another. He's screwing over even the Republicans I agree with you completely that Bush's stategy is lie, lie, lie, and that if you want to know what one of the bills he is pushing is about, read the title, and assume the opposite. My point is more that anyone can plainly see from his actions where he is coming from. It was apparent before he even became president that the Christian right, corporatism, etc were what he was all about. Clinton on the other hand was perceived as someone who might make some progressive changes, but it soon became apparent that he in many ways indistinguishable from the Republicans. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:33:10 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Playing problems njc Hi Don- That's some scary stuff. I have sometimes had numbness in the thumb of my left hand after playing guitar for awhile. I felt that it was a pinched nerve in my shoulder and changed the way I slept, and it helped the problem alot. Personally, like Kate, I would not opt for surgery if at all possible. Here are some things I would consider: Physical therapy Yoga Giving up coffee- don't underestimate this one! Coffee can really screw up your nerves and tendons imo. This one thing alone has helped many people get rid of their back pain, joint problems, etc Lots of white sugar/sweet foods can also screw up your joints and connective tissue Oriental medicine/acupressure/acupuncture There may be some vitamins, herbs, or supplements that would help, including anti-inflammatories. Consulting some kind of naturopath might be an idea....strong conventional drugs often has serious side effects, and can even worsen the problem in the long run by masking the symptoms. As Kate said, doctors are good at naming things and treating them as isolated problems, but not always so good at looking at the whole person and getting to the root cause. Maybe, like me, there is some movement or habitual position of your arm that is causing the problem. I know you are down under, but I keep seeing these ads in Music Connection magazine for a Dr. Arlo Gordon, based in Los Angeles, who says "no drugs, no surgery!" with an endorsement from famed bassist Billy Sheehan who says he had 20 years of play-related pain until Dr. Gordon straightened him out. You might be able to get some kind of phone consultation, referral, or general information by calling him. His phone # is (323) 436-0303. He says he treats tendonitis, carpal tunnel, hand and arm pain, numbness and weakness. His specialty is musicians. Keith Emerson, of Emerson, Lake and Palmer also had some very serious hand problems that threatened to derail his playing, but was able to overcome them and get back to his keyboards. I don't know if his recovery involved surgery or not. He has talked about it in interviews, so you might be able to do a search and find more info on the net. Good luck RR from him don whiteman wrote: > Hi All, > > I have been playing guitar for 36 years and most of what I play these days > is either Joni or David Crosby or similar. I love open tunings. Recently > (about 3 months ago) I noticed that my little finger on my left hand (my > frettign hand) was getting numb after a short while playing and I had little > feeling in it. > I finnally had had enough of it and two weekd before Xmas I went to my > family Dr. > He told me that I have a pinched nerve im my elbow and gave me a course of > high dose anti-inflammatories. I went back on last Tuesday as it had gotten > worse instead of better. > What I have got is a condition called Ulnar Neuritis. > Nest Tuesday I am going for Nerve Conduction Study tests. This will indicate > the time for responses from this nerve and then I will have to have surgery. > Christ almighty, I am worried. from what I have read, it is not life > threatening, unless you are a guitarist. If it doesn't work I may have to > take up the maracas or some such instrument. > > Has anybody else on this list ever had this problem or know anyone who has > had this problem. And what is the outcome from it. > > Sorry to burden. > > Don > Sydney, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:52:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni content - Trina was real I don't know if this has been discussed in the past. I was in a bookstore today, and picked up a Crawdaddy magazine anthology with reprints of the early issues of Paul Williams' 60's/70's music publication. Joni was referenced in the index several times. In one of the issues, Williams writes that he was living with his lover, Trina Robbins (Robins?), subject of LOTC. He also says in passing that he attended sessions for STAS. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 02:00:02 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 31 On January 31 the following articles were published: 1976: "Joni in May" - Sounds (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=553 1976: "The Lawn Ranger Rides Again" - Sounds (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=352 2002: "PTE cruises Joni's River of love " - Winnipeg Sun (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=731 2002: "River looks at life from many sides" - Winnipeg Sun (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=730 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #54 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)