From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #53 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 053 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Playing problems ["don whiteman" ] On nader njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Kakki's father died NJC ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Fw: Travelogue ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: spectrum 76 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hi [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Litigation culture now entrenched in UK - proof (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Bonnie Raitt live, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation - and The Gift [Bobsart48] Re: RIP Janet Frame - NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 njc ["Donna Binkley" ] RE: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation - and The Gift ["Wally Ka] Re: Travelogue ["amelio747" ] Great Photos of 2003 NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Queen Joni Approximately [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: RIP Janet Frame - NJC ["hell" ] RE: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction, njc [Magic ] Re: kucinich (sorry catherine) njc PC LONG [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:07:35 +1100 From: "don whiteman" Subject: Playing problems Hi All, I have been playing guitar for 36 years and most of what I play these days is either Joni or David Crosby or similar. I love open tunings. Recently (about 3 months ago) I noticed that my little finger on my left hand (my frettign hand) was getting numb after a short while playing and I had little feeling in it. I finnally had had enough of it and two weekd before Xmas I went to my family Dr. He told me that I have a pinched nerve im my elbow and gave me a course of high dose anti-inflammatories. I went back on last Tuesday as it had gotten worse instead of better. What I have got is a condition called Ulnar Neuritis. Nest Tuesday I am going for Nerve Conduction Study tests. This will indicate the time for responses from this nerve and then I will have to have surgery. Christ almighty, I am worried. from what I have read, it is not life threatening, unless you are a guitarist. If it doesn't work I may have to take up the maracas or some such instrument. Has anybody else on this list ever had this problem or know anyone who has had this problem. And what is the outcome from it. Sorry to burden. Don Sydney, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:44:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: On nader njc I saw nader interviewed briefly & he inferred he was considering joining the race again this time...he wouldn't be that idiotic would he? How could his running do anything except guarantee a win for bush? Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:26:35 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Kakki's father died NJC Dear Kakki I'm saddened by the news of your father. Please accept my sympathy. With much love, Raf (London) _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:17:51 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: Fw: Travelogue hello list! I have started listening to Travelogue this week, and I think it's good./ Why is it so unpopular on this list? Or isn't it. I think the album is very groovy, very relaxed, sophisticated --- I mean, of course I prefer the original versions in most cases, but I love to hear some songs in the matured voice Joni is using these days (was using, that is......haha). Like the dawntreader.......I also love love love the version of chinese cafe/unchained melody. saw Josh Ritter last night, in the tiny upstairs room of Paradiso (for people who know this famous Amsterdam concertvenue) -- I know I've pushed him quite a bit on this list now, but please, check him out. So cute, and nice, with his wonderful songs and the way he says " thank you very much' after every song...... Paul - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The streetlight's still burning; She always misses. But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave. That one little victory, that's all she needs! Joni Mitchell: Sunny Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:30:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: spectrum 76 **One of them is a 2-disc set of a concert at the Spectrum in Phil. in Feb 1976. It's absolutely wonderful.** Hi Bruce - I'm glad to hear you are enjoying what I consider to be an essential recording! The '76 tour stuff is some of my favorite Joni. You are correct in that she is once again backed by the LA Express. She was linked with (the late) John Guerin and their breakup during that tour ended it prematurely. As you say, she does most of the HOSL material here, as well as 4 new songs, 2 of which would appear on Hejira & 2 of which would appear on DJRD. I always thought that Coyote/DJRD were musical sisters, and when she does them as a medley on this tour it confirms it. Who would guess that she would have done "Talk To Me" & "Jungle Line" live? Very cool. I too would love to know the song-selection process for these 70's releases. She WAS very prolific and had the creative juices flowing at this time, that's for sure! My feeling (merely a guess) is that she held back with DRJD (the song) because it was SO similar to Coyote, and then included it when she had enough material for another release. As for Talk To Me, I'm not sure it would have fit in with Hejira anyway, even though that's not to diss the song as I DO love it! Bob NP: The Cure, "Plastic Passion" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:59:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hi --- jlobello wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I may be new to the group, but not to Joni. Hi, Jon. Welcome to the list. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:07:38 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 NJC **we had so many copies of covers but by ....AWFUL people! Ah yes...the CHEESE factor! Some of my favorite Joni covers. **Swingles do the Beatles And also "If France They Kiss On Main Street"! **Hammond organ of Rolling Stones hits And the "Happy Hammond" doing 'Woodstock', not to mention some really Roller-rinkish takes on BSN. **Moog music for intimate moments that covers all the New Seekers Not to mention Dick Hyman's spacey Moog takes on BSN & BYT. And hey, speaking of the New Seekers, they did Night In The City! **The chipmunks do all your favourites, No chipmunk covers of Joni, dammit! **and last we have all those Max Bygraves, Des O'Connor, Val Doonican sing the popular songs of 1974..some on double albums!! Max has covered BSN (still looking for that one!) Des O'Connor did BSN (got that one), never heard of Val D. And don't forget James Last's "Non-Stop Dancing" version of 'This Flight Tonight' - John van Tiel's personal favorite! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:14:32 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Litigation culture now entrenched in UK - proof (NJC) Someone wrote the following on a site I frequent about school closures after our recent dusting of, oh, about an inch of snow here in Cambridge. I quote:- "Anyone else find it suprising at how many schools closed with the light sprinking of snow we had this week? I assumed that it was just because children and staff in outlying areas couldn't battle through the "drifts" in the fens, but no... that doesn't explain why the city centre establishments closed too. The reason is actually that none of the footpaths in the schools are gritted, so they are treachorously icy and dangerous. Why aren't they gritted? Because to do so would open the school up to being sued if someone slipped on a treated path and hurt themselves!" I don't think I need to add any more to that. Utterly and completely unbelievable. Time to "quit this crazy scene" and move elsewhere, I think. NP: Jack Neilson, "Hello My Old Friend" - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:25:35 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: war (njc) >About this, my friend, you and I agree. Although I don't agree with the >reasons for starting the war and I don't think I'll be forgiving of the >lousy intelligence or Bush using it as an excuse, we can't just pull out >now. This time around in particular, we really must finish what we've >started. >Lori I too amm very, very much against this war. . but I am thinking the same thing. . (that we have to stay there now) Tho I am not entirely sure. . I am thinking that the only way to stablieze (sp?) this region is stay and not allow people who are obstructing justice to gain power. What do the people of Iraq want? Marianne _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:53:50 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 njc This is very sad news... I met him at the Stone Pony at the Light of Day benefit concert. He was at the Monday Holiday show at Convention Hall in Asbury Park. He was probably the most passionate and influential supporter of Bruce Springsteen. RIP Ed From the Philadelphia Daily News: Radio's Ed Sciaky dies Fan and friend of musicians stricken in New York By JONATHAN TAKIFF takiffj@phillynews.com Ed Sciaky, a legend in the Philadelphia radio community and devoted fan and friend of many musicians, died suddenly on a street corner in New York yesterday morning. He was 55. And for many of us, it will truly be remembered as a day when the music died. "I'm going to be looking out there in the audience and he won't be there," said a broken up Steve Forbert, pals with Sciaky since the late '70s. "He was a Philly fixture to me, synonymous with the city." "I loved him. I'll miss him," said Steven Van Zandt, longtime guitarist of the E-Street Band and host of the "Little Steven's Underground Garage" show that has followed Sciaky's "Sunday with Springsteen" on WMGK since April 2002. For many a Philadelphia baby boomer, Sciaky's radio shows through the decades were literally the soundtrack of their lives, and an advanced course in music appreciation. Always at the head of his class stood talents like Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel and Yes - whom Sciaky tenaciously played from "virtually unknown" status until he'd helped to make them superstars, on almost every shift of his gigs at WMMR and later WIOQ in the 1970s and '80s. That, of course, was back in the "free-form" years of progressive rock radio, when DJs could still pick the music, indulge in their passions. "Ed was very helpful to our band in the early days of Yes, being one of the first DJs in Philly and the U.S. to adopt Yes music," said group bassist Chris Squire yesterday. "He was a champion of music, loved and respected all kinds of music," said WXPN mid-day host and music director Helen Leicht, who worked with Sciaky at WIOQ. "A Bette Midler, Melissa Manchester or Barry Manilow would never have gotten play on a rock-oriented station like 'Q' if it were not for him. But Ed never saw any barriers. He appreciated good music of all kinds." And the musicians, as well. The unusually gregarious Sciaky and his wife Judy entertained many a musician at their home, and were fixtures backstage after shows, counseling the artists on what they'd done right and wrong. "He was on me constantly to turn up my volume," said singer-songwriter Forbert, "until I finally gave in and did it. Ed could be relentless." Sciaky's devotion to Yes was so intense that he spent vacations chasing their tour buses across the United States and England. He traveled to Leningrad to attend and voice the introduction to an internationally-broadcast Billy Joel concert. In Springsteen's early, just-scraping-by days, the fledgling Jersey talent slept several nights on the Sciakys' green velvet sofa, forever after to be anointed the "Bruce Memorial Couch." Sciaky also earned Springsteen his first big payday by persuading Manfred Mann to cover "Blinded By The Light," a million-plus seller. One night this writer and friend - then Sciaky's across-the-hall neighbor and WMMR staffmate - got a knock on the door at 3 a.m. inquiring if I had a guitar to spare. Bonnie Raitt and Martin Mull were over, and wanted to jam. (As I'd get to witness, the flirtatious Mull couldn't keep up with Bonnie, in more ways than one.) Born April 2, 1948, in New York but raised in Philadelphia, Sciaky graduated from Central High and matriculated at Temple as a math major. Then a chance visit to the studios of WHAT-FM changed his life, when Sciaky brought over an album for laid-back folk DJ Gene Shay to play, and Ed became entranced with the medium and messages of radio. "He became one of my first unpaid assistants and almost like a son," said Shay yesterday. "It was his idea, for instance, that we take along a tape recorder to a coffeehouse show, to capture this newcomer named Joni Mitchell. Ed also kept me organized. He was always very methodical, remembered everything, even the catalogue numbers of records." Shay, in turn, became Sciaky's mentor, helping him polish his own, similarly naturalistic delivery when Sciaky switched over to the communications department at Temple, and went on the air at then student-run WRTI-FM. From there, he graduated (circa 1969) to Philadelphia's first, full-time progressive rock station, WDAS-FM, anointed "Hyski's Underground" after program director and air personality Hy Lit. It was a place and a time so free-spirited (and indulgent) that some DJs performed their shifts while tripping on acid. But not Sciaky, then and forever a very straight arrow. He gladly welcomed the chance to move a couple of years later to the more professionally run WMMR. Sciaky's only real indulgence was food. It earned him the title "Hungry Ed," from Van Zandt, after Sciaky would descend upon the platters backstage at Springsteen/E-Street Band gigs. While the noose started tugging around the neck of FM rock DJs in the late '70s, with program directors forcing play lists on the air talent, Sciaky was one of the last guys with clout, spinning his favorites (no matter how eccentric) on his "Sunday Night Alternative" sessions on WIOQ. The show lasted into the early '80s. When he moved to the classic rock-formatted WYSP in '86, though, the DJ's hands were finally tied and much of the fun went out of the gig, he'd privately grouse to friends like Forbert. But pro that he was, Sciaky's warm, comforting voice would never let on to listeners that he didn't really want to play us "another block of Lynryd Skynrd!" "Ed's greatest frustration of the last number of years was that the radio business had no place for someone like him who loved the music and the medium and was so adept at the medium," said Michael Tearson, a colleague of Sciaky's at WMMR and recently WMGK. In recent years, Sciaky battled diabetes and a staph infection in his right foot that just wouldn't heal. He also had kidney failure and had dialysis, but never let on to anyone but his closest friends. A year ago, the foot had to come off, "and Sciaky really busted his chops in rehab, to master using a prosthesis," said Tearson. "And his love of music, of all kinds of entertainment, never failed. He was like a sponge - still out at concerts, at movies, at plays, all the time. He didn't have time for moping." "Miami Steve" Van Zandt suggested yesterday that Sciaky's fans should follow suit. "Ed Sciaky will never die. That is what being legendary is all about. As long as the music of the bands he played lives, he lives." Besides his devoted wife Judy, Sciaky leaves behind a terrifically talented daughter, Monica, a freshman vocal performance major at Northwestern. Services are pending. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/x-art which had a name of davidbowieedsciakybrucespringsteen1974.art] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:06:18 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Bonnie Raitt live, njc What a coincidence. Just received a 2003 Bonnie Raitt U.K. concert from Emiliano yesterday. Listened to it and my jaw dropped, she's at the top of her art, and I've been a fan since 78. While listening to it I was thinking that all those youngsters are great (Jack Johnson, Derek Trucks, etc) but when an "older" artist puts out a great show there's no comparison IMO. Anyway, got an email today to inform me that Bonnie just went on sale in the U.K + Scotland (& Holland) for next june/july. Got some tix for Royal Albert Hall, 1st time ever in this mythical venue. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:11:25 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation - and The Gift Wally - Que pasa ? Actually, I found Dr. Whitesell's paper too high level for me - and rather dry except for the abstract, the opening and the close, where he praises Joni's work on a technical level but in layman's terms. But I love that he affirms Joni's greatness on a technical level. It reinforces my belief that she has The Gift, and assuages my ego that I at least am able to intuit that she has The Gift (and that my attraction to her work may have more to it than "I am a fan and I like her stuff and she turns me on"). Best Bobsart "wow, bob!!!! i'd give anything to read his papers! britten, joni, ravel, ives. all my favorite people! thanks for the tip. wally" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:03:59 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: RIP Janet Frame - NJC In a message dated 29/01/2004 03:37:18 GMT Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Those who have seen (or read) "An Angel At My Table" will be aware of the obstacles she overcame in her life, particularly the mis-diagnosis of schizophrenia at a very young age, for which she was committed to psychiatric hospitals for many years. >> Rest in peace indeed. I was staggered by the film of An Angel At My Table, which caused me to fall in love not only with Janet Frame, but also with Jane Campion and Kerry Fox. I then read the three-part autobiography and was bowled over by her sheer brilliance as a writer. I've also read The Carpathians, which is one of those novels that is so well written that you find yourself reading sentences again, just for the sheer pleasure of the language. I intend to get around to more of her work in due course... Azeem in London NP: Betty Lavette - My Train's Comin' In (fabulous southern soul singer) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:07:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 NJC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **we had so many copies of covers but by ....AWFUL > people! > > Ah yes...the CHEESE factor! Some of my favorite Joni > covers. [...] > **The chipmunks do all your favourites, > > No chipmunk covers of Joni, dammit! > Yes, but Joni does talk about her "helium" voice, so maybe the Chipmunks didn't need to do any Joni covers. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:45:53 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 njc Congratulations on day 55 Smurphy! Good to see your smiling face again! Love Donna >>> murphycopy@aol.com 1/30/2004 9:46:38 AM >>> From the obit Rose posted: > He became one of my first unpaid assistants and almost like a son," said Shay yesterday. "It was his idea, for instance, that we take along a tape recorder to a coffeehouse show, to capture this newcomer named Joni Mitchell. Sounds like a fan with great taste, Rose. Wonder what ever happened to this tape . . . - --Bob, now on day 54 of not smoking, so he can live forever Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:36:09 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 njc In a message dated 1/30/04 11:10:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, murphycopy@aol.com writes: > From the obit Rose posted: > > > He became one of my first unpaid assistants and almost like a son," said > Shay yesterday. "It was his idea, for instance, that we take along a tape > recorder to a coffeehouse show, to capture this newcomer named Joni Mitchell. > > Sounds like a fan with great taste, Rose. Wonder what ever happened to this > tape . . . > > --Bob, now on day 54 of not smoking, so he can live forever > Dunno, perhaps maybe Muller or Simon can tell us something about this. from Simon's timeline of Joni's appearances... 0?-0?-68 WHAT-FM "The Folklore Program" Philadelphia PA USA Two shows 10-31-68 The Main Point Philadelphia PA USA Two shows 11-01-68 The Main Point Philadelphia PA USA Two shows 11-02-68 The Main Point Philadelphia PA USA Two shows 11-03-68 The Main Point Philadelphia PA USA Two shows Mags and I I were chatting online today and she mentioned that he was responsible for the 2nd Fret recordings...Can anyone confirm this? Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:02:19 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 njc > Congratulations on day 55 Smurphy! Good to see your smiling face > again! Yeah, Bob! You know you are over it when you forget how many days it has been! Jerry, who know how hard it is to quit because he's done it so many times......... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:17:16 -0600 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Fw: FM Radio Icon Ed Sciaky Dies from FMQB: "Sciaky is credited with becoming the first to play Bruce Springsteen on the radio. With a bulky Ampex recorder in tow, Sciaky showed up at Philly's fabled Main Point club, got up close to the stage and recorded one of the Boss' first area appearances, which he played back on the air numerous times. Over the ensuing years, it wasn't unusual for Springsteen to give Sciaky shout-outs from the stage. When Sciaky was sick last year, Springsteen rang him up in the hospital." Read more here: http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=17844 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:37:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 njc >--Bob, now on day 54 of not smoking, so he can live forever < congratulations bob! That is awesome! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:58:07 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 njc I'd be real surprised if some of the stuff on those "WMMR broadcasts" and/or "Second Fret Sets" wasn't stuff that Ed recorded himself, but I don't have any knowledge of who recorded what or What played on WHAT-FM or nuthin. I just dig it. Bob NP: The Cure, "Just Like Heaven (Dizzy Mix)" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:02:17 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 njc In response to Rose's ponderings.... My understanding is that Ed Sciacky recorded Joni Mitchell in Philadelphia in 1968. There were only two microphones on stage, one was Joni's , the other, Ed's. XPN 88.5 FM is talking about Ed all day and they are also accepting email messages via their web site. Ed was only 55 years old, was apparently seeing the town in NYC when he suffered a heart attack while out on the street. Bless his heart, he's done so much for music ... and he will live on. and on. Mags and Brian too. rosemjoy@aol.com wrote: : Dunno, perhaps maybe Muller or Simon can tell us something about this. from Simon's timeline of Joni's appearances... 0?-0?-68 WHAT-FM "The Folklore Program" Philadelphia PA USA Two shows 10-31-68 The Main Point Philadelphia PA USA Two shows 11-01-68 The Main Point Philadelphia PA USA Two shows 11-02-68 The Main Point Philadelphia PA USA Two shows 11-03-68 The Main Point Philadelphia PA USA Two shows Mags and I I were chatting online today and she mentioned that he was responsible for the 2nd Fret recordings...Can anyone confirm this? Rose in NJ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:34:23 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Hell Test. . . a conspiracy njc Be careful guys: *A L E R T* I looked into that "Hell Test" and found out that this is being run by the US government! And to think all that music and stuff that made it feel fun. When I went to small print, it said it was something about the patriot act. Upon doing some investigation, your answers could . . . . I don't remember what they said. Beware and DO NOT TAKE THIS TEST! If you see helicopters flying above. . .I would hide your "personal belongings." Well sweet Joni people, Have a great weekend and JK (just kidding) ; - ) LO VE Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:43:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Hi hello and welcome, jon! i've been adding and subtracting. we are the same age :-) the HDCD version of miles of aisles has all the banter and talk. and the sound is perfect! thank you for your stories, wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > jlobello > Enviado el: Viernes, 30 de Enero de 2004 02:53 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Hi > I just recently acquired a vinyl copy of Miles of Aisles in mint > condition. It > is better (and more fun) than the CD version because the audience/Joni > interchange has not be cut out as it has been in the CD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:47:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation - and The Gift bob, i couldn't find the paper! was there a link somewhere? were there links to his britten papers too? wally, in question mode today > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Bobsart48@aol.com > Enviado el: Viernes, 30 de Enero de 2004 11:11 a.m. > Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Whitesell - author of the Joni dissertation - and The Gift > > > Wally - Que pasa ? > > Actually, I found Dr. Whitesell's paper too high level for me - > and rather > dry except for the abstract, the opening and the close, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:17:01 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Re: Travelogue Hi Paul, I've loved TLOG from the start and think it is as good as it could have been considering there are no new songs. Some versions I like as much or even more than the originals! The songs from WTRF really do sound better I think, though I myself was not too keen on the new vers of "Chinese Cafe" - I think she sounds a bit too sleepy! But OMG "The Dawntreader" is a revelation! I do think TLOG would have been better as a single disc because some songs are really dragged out ("The Circle Game"). I listen to it then and again unlike CMIARS which I wouldn't notice if it went missing! NP: Society's Child - Janis Ian * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mepschen" To: Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: Fw: Travelogue > hello list! > I have started listening to Travelogue this week, and I think it's good./ Why > is it so unpopular on this list? Or isn't it. I think the album is very > groovy, very relaxed, sophisticated --- I mean, of course I prefer the > original versions in most cases, but I love to hear some songs in the matured > voice Joni is using these days (was using, that is......haha). Like the > dawntreader.......I also love love love the version of chinese cafe/unchained > melody. > > saw Josh Ritter last night, in the tiny upstairs room of Paradiso (for people > who know this famous Amsterdam concertvenue) -- I know I've pushed him quite a > bit on this list now, but please, check him out. So cute, and nice, with his > wonderful songs and the way he says " thank you very much' after every > song...... > > Paul > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > The streetlight's still burning; She always misses. > But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave. > That one little victory, that's all she needs! > Joni Mitchell: Sunny Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:25:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Great Photos of 2003 NJC http://www.fifth-essence.com/archive/bestpix2003/index. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:51:54 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Queen Joni Approximately A long article, lots of stuff you already know but probably some stuff that you don't: http://www.rocksbackpages.com/news/2501_hoskyns_joni.html Bob NP: Helmet, "Milquetoast" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:07:53 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: RIP Janet Frame - NJC Azeem wrote: Rest in peace indeed. I was staggered by the film of An Angel At My Table, which caused me to fall in love not only with Janet Frame, but also with Jane Campion and Kerry Fox. I then read the three-part autobiography and was bowled over by her sheer brilliance as a writer. I've also read The Carpathians, which is one of those novels that is so well written that you find yourself reading sentences again, just for the sheer pleasure of the language. I intend to get around to more of her work in due course... I totally agree with you regarding Jane Campion and Kerry Fox - both superbly gifted! As far as reading Janet Frame's books, the hardest thing is actually finding them! Most are out of print, although second-hand book stores here still carry a few (if you're prepared to search) - she was never a best-seller, so I guess it's to be expected. Maybe with her death, her publishers might re-release a few of her "better" works (they're all amazing, so I'm not sure how you'd choose). Maybe even a boxed set of her entire collection! There have been numerous tributes and interviews on TV here over the last few days, and the most interesting was with her friends and fellow writers CK Stead and Michael King (also her biographer). They both said they would be very interested to see what she's "left behind" in terms of stories and poems. Both seem to think there would be enough for several volumes of collected works, althought they doubt she's done anything of novel-length since her last publication (The Carpathians, in 1988). CK Stead also remarked on her writing as not being easy (I think he said "She's no Patricia Cornwell!") - which is why she never really appealed to the masses - but it's incredibly rewarding because her style is so unique. Michael King's biography is also well worth reading, if you can find a copy. It's called "Wrestling With The Angel - A Life Of Janet Frame" (published in 2000), and carries on where her autobiography left off, continuing until almost the present day. Ironically (and sadly) Michael King was diagnosed with cancer at the same time as Janet herself. Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - now even MORE new and improved! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:53:39 -0800 From: Magic Subject: RE: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction, njc Hi Les, I just get the Digest, not the live posts, so excuse my tardy response. I was a bit heady I guess, and yes, I'm alive and Well, deep and muddy! "magic" = "cg i am" -- an effort not to hide myself. My given name is Chris Garthwaite and there is another one so named near Boulder, CO. if you want to search it out. To my knowledge, there is no other "cathection" in the engines (ghost in the machine), and since I think of myself as a unique expression of fleshed ideas, I prefer that moniker for now. I did write on this List long ago as Le Vierge du Houle, "LVdH". The other night on TV an email letter came to a talking head from one Mrs. Houle from New England. Even longer ago, I was known as "El Bwyd", when I was learning Welsh and Arabic and trying to tie their etymological roots together, eg. the Irish house of Ross may be tied to the house of Ruiz, as may interest you? As far as I know, neither house is Rosicrucian, a philosophy I took interest in; it believes in many oversouls, including ones many times the size of our universe. Once there, I was in the belly of a whale and spent long hours listening to its holy songs come from nowhere to my inner ear, for I am schizophrenic and mildly paranoid, obsessive-compulsive, etc, etc. It is hard for me to cathect and connect, like the Mars thingy, which sounds like a sex-toy or Shiny Toy ref to me somehow? Being dictionary-obsessed, "reference" is a key concept to me, as are all positive definitions, eg. Math's and Basic Logic's. I was an exceptionally slow reader but contrapositively spoke at high speed sometimes as a child. So, if you like, you could call me "Blurt"! :-) In painting, a blue blur of colors a + b is not so easily divisible into {a, b} set-elements, as modal chord harmonies. In the same way, the words "orphan" and "Orpheus" may be morphemically related, but the distinction of their sememes is important too; I hold that Joni is like Orpheus reborn, strumming a lyre before the lion, lamb, ad infinitum ... as Jesus was later depicted, in early sect bedanglements. Orpheus may have been mythos by the time of Pythagorean Scales, and I believe he brought new harmonies to the spectra still faintly resonating. But, if you are a Rosicrucian, perhaps you'd like to sing me an answer to my philosophical question: "Must MIND exist as an extant Possibility (first, in Nature, in the Cosmos) in order for humans to develop human mind / thought / cathections?" You may or may not assume that Universal MIND and/or Human mind is energy-based, requires pattern(s) for recognition and expression, but if your answer is "No, ...", would you include *some* definition of 'mind'? For brevity, if you want to respond in simple symbols instead of whole words or formula terms, that'd be most curious for me!! Graphic logic, like Mandarin ideograms and Arabic script, is so beautiful to me. Related is the word "yantra", like "mantra" and "tantra"; it occurs when one speaks into a medium like sand (or air) and forms script; it is held as a mystic practice by both the ancient Egyptians and Tibetans, and I seek souls who can yet create holisms, as does the Philosophy Dept. of UC Berkeley. I have a relative who taught Philosophy at SF State, Ms. Tilden, while I was there, having been curious to see the bullet holes in the Humanities window during the reign of one semanticist, Dr. S. I. Hayakawa. In those days, one could still read bedanglements of the YSA -- Young Socialist Alliance - if slowly. " ... there was revolUtion in the air! ... " - Dylan. "But now" (Joni, Chair In The Sky?), I am an ana-anarchist, or anagrammattic logician, eg. "magic", con]ent to find 50+ words that relate to "touch", to test my memory, eg. "dig", "take", "entice", "intact", "-dactyl", "tactile", "digit", etc. -- I rhyme meanings moreso than sounds, for the sake of Associative Resonance. It's a self-help form of therapy .. of seductive or conductive reasoning=listening. I believe Joni has tied East+West roots together ever so subtly at times, or maybe stem-cells? To me, her poems are more seeds than flowers at times, very subtly compressed symbologies, or words of nature. Alan Watts, in "Cloud-Hidden, Whereabouts Unknown" stated that he reasoned spirallically. I believe that is why I was such a slow readeer and blurty speaker, just as Cascades-Logic was central to Chaos Theory. Ever been to Yosemite? There, magnificent old pines cling to crevasses and seem to grow from nothing but granite, air and water ... as the granite spalls and cracks out loud words, though the log-trees seem so silent. Are we not attracted to the coors? Does Gravity imply Mind? Or anti-mind? For Life struggles against it, contrarian-style, towards the judgment of the moon and stars? Los manos, las manzanas. In California, the manzanita plant is native but did not ask the tribes for green cards to hand in when they were done working! Perhaps los hermanos were hermits, cloud-hidden, whereabouts unknown! Brothers in Braids? Hermes Trismegistus, thought thought was a herald? Was Abraxis triumvirate, like Thoth? But I veer up from the crack. And wonder who now collects Alan's royalties? Are they a Democrat or Republican or Socialist, paying sales taxes or lawyers or economic cults? I seem to get by just painting for my family and friends, in my blurry blues. But I ingress and egress, like egrets and regrets. I agress and regress and digress and pre-guess, like a messy muddy madness, a mute permute mootness, a surreptitious surresonance, moreorless, in the refuse of the roots ... Thanks-- Curious George, aka "JAM", ("Just Another Monkey") ... aka Bragi, aka Virago, aka Le Vierge, aka Virgo, aka Weir(d), aka Coorrrrisse, or the more courageously quiescent "( ... cath ... )" going now to meditate on my granite-gravel driveway again, "like so much confetti on my TV screen" ... and the decadent jester-toothed leaves there-fallen and silently laughing at me ... sipping pennyroyal+tea; ()= PoetrySamsaraNirvana! - --------------------- ( ) > ( ); ( ) + ()*() = ? "Ross, Les" wrote: Wow...heads up! We've got a live one here!! Welcome. Be well. Come Magic Cath, write more and soon. Les (in a totally arSed London. Dump a bit of snow here and the place goes to rat-$hit! I swear to god!) Np : the evening of my best day - rlj (a stunning track, her very best imho) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:15:55 -0500 From: Subject: spectrum 76 Bruce, You need some research links. A guy in New York State named Simon has been building a list of Joni's appearances for a loooong time. A JMDLer in good standing, he supplied this list (and lots of other stuff) to the producers of the PBS special on Joni (now available for purchase on VHS & DVD) and in return he is in the production credits. (COOL!) I'm not sure if he actually set out to be an Archivist but he sure is one now. Anyway, Simon's list of appearances is on the official web site: www.jonimitchell.com If you click on "Appearances" in the left hand column, then scroll and click on "GO TO JONI APPEARANCE CHRONOLOGY", it takes you to: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html There you'll find the most exhaustively collected, and meticulously updated list available. If you go to 1976, and scroll to "The Spectrum Theatre", you'll find 2-16-76. That's the way we US residents say "16 February". Anyway, that date is a clickable link taking you to a review at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/PhonographRecord476.html It answers you question about personnel. It says (in part): "With saxophonist David Luell having replaced Tom Scott, the L.A. Express opened, blowing the fashionable brand of noodling pop-jazz expected of them, energetic if not impassioned, engaging if not original. Okay for preliminaries. As anticipation grew to fever pitch, Joni entered the spotlight. With the Express supporting..." I agree that it was a GREAT show. - ---- On the other hand, I have to disagree with you about DJRD. It is Joni's 'white album'. Joni's 'TUSK'. Joni's 'OHIO'. I can't imagine cutting out "Overture" or "Paprika Plains" to make a single-LP release for example. I *DO* think DJRD "plays" better as 4 sides on vinyl because PP is a single entity that way. You can turn up the volume for that side and the closing bits where "the band plugs in again" get suitably very loud indeed. I think DJRD is in a string of 8 or 9 consecutive albums that I think are essential Joni. My opinion is that she was able to line up many more great solo albums than any of the solo Beatles. Not only did she write it all but she also self-produced almost all of it. Enough. All the best, Jim Bruce said, >Not having ever seen Joni live, and really only knowing the official live recordings -- MOA & S&L -- it's a fascinating bridge between the two. My question is: who is the band? Is it the LA Express as on MOA? Sounds like it, but there's no info on the disc.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:48:39 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: kucinich (sorry catherine) njc PC LONG Randy Remote wrote: > > Norman Pennington wrote: > > > As for our most recent foray into Third Parties, the Dems are STILL pissed > > at Nader for costing Gore the 2000 election. > > Ummm..I thought it was the Supreme Court that cost Gore the > election by deciding not to count all the votes. Supreme Court Chief Justice Rehnquist (a Republican appointee) WAS in a very big hurry to claim Bush the victor. You know something weird's happening when you read about some of the other justices disagreeing vehemently, and being extremely upset, about that rush to decide rather than take the time for a full and accurate vote count. Usually they keep their emotional disagreements amongst themselves. I don't think counting all the votes is the main issue, although that's what the court cases were about. What made it such a dishonest election was that not everyone was allowed to vote, especially people in counties where traditionally most people support the Democrats. That's the crime. And there's no dispute about that happening, some people being turned away, machines not working, that kind of dirty stuff that Governor Jeb Bush could and (in my opinion) did arrange. Plus there were other voting irregularities, like having the State Republican Party sending out absentee ballots with Bush already selected. Some people would dispute that Jeb had anything to do with such fraud, that it was all just an "oh, well, things didn't go perfectly, but do things ever go perfectly in any election?" I've read a variation of that on this list, written by a Republican, of course. I don't buy it. There's a reason Jeb was able to GUARANTEE his brother that Florida would go for him. He was in a position to help arrange things that way. > I am registered as a Green, but I thought Nader's decision to stay > in the race was a bad one. Yes, VERY BAD when it was such a close race. It might be that if Nader had gotten out of the race and asked his followers to vote for Gore, they would NOT have, and just would not have voted at all. It's impossible to know for sure what would have happened if the Green Party hadn't pulled some of the liberal vote, but I think it's possible that many of them would have voted for Gore, and he would then have had such a large majority of votes that the voting fraud in Florida, and the Supreme Court's rushed decision, would not have determined the election. It could have been such an overwhelming majority for Gore (despite the dirty tricks) that the Supreme Court would never have been involved. And, before anyone wonders why in the world this is still such an emotional issue for some people... I think it would have faded away by now if Bush had acted decently, with an acknowledgment of everyone, instead of immediately behaving like he had an overwhelming mandate for his ultra-conservative agenda. He didn't get any such mandate, he didn't even win the popular vote, and his arrogant dismissal of the concerns of over half the voters has earned him the loathing and anger many people feel toward him. His wacko policies have done nothing to reduce that loathing and anger. > ....I can also relate > to the idea that it's better to have your sleazebags up front about > their agenda (Bush) than trying to pass themselves off as liberal while > selling the farm (Clinton). EXCEPT THAT Bush is NOT upfront about his agenda! He constantly says one thing and does another. He's screwing over even the Republicans in order to make his financial backers happy. For example, the Medicare revision he just strong-armed legislators to pass, and told them it would cost a certain amount, is now, "oh, by the way our estimate was off by 35%, so we'll just add on another $140 billion to it. And now that you've all signed the bill, really, what can you say about that? (ha ha, gotcha)." That would even be tolerable if it was a decent bill. Bush, of course, claims it's an excellent, "I care" prescription bill, when the truth is that medical coverage will cost seniors MORE, in part because the legislation makes it ILLEGAL for them to get medicines from Canada or wherever they can find them at a decent price, as many (U.S.) Americans had been doing (so the U.S. drug companies with their inflated prices are very happy about that), and with this legislation private companies are now involved (so there are some happy HMOs and insurance companies), and those changes and others have resulted in the overhead cost paid by taxpayers now being 15 cents on the dollar instead of the 2 cents it was, so... who really has benefited here? And it's a similar story on every issue. Everything Bush says is a lie. He claims to be helping people, and he is doing just the opposite, and when he is criticized, well, it's always someone else's fault. The way REPUBLICAN Bush is now blaming the REPUBLICAN Congress for the huge deficits is ... ABSURD, irresponsible and downright cowardly! I really don't understand how even Republicans can stomach the guy. He is playing them for such fools. > Bottom line, there should have been a better ABB campaign > four years ago. Bottom line is people needed to work with what they had and consider the "greater good", even though it would be an imperfect greater good (ironic that I'd consider the "community" first and people more left wing than I am did not), and make a practical decision. But, then, where politics are concerned, I don't claim to be an idealist anymore, and a part of me grudgingly (these days) realizes the world needs some idealists in it. I'll appreciate them more, though, if they don't f*ck up the next election! Debra Shea P.S. In case anyone's curious about the claims I made above, here's one related news story: Quietly Florida Admits 2000 Election Fraud By The Associated Press April 26, 2002 | Filed at 10:17 p.m. ET MIAMI (AP) -- A federal judge has approved a settlement between Leon County and civil rights groups that sued over widespread voting problems in the 2000 presidential election in Florida. The state and six other counties remain in the case brought by the NAACP and four other groups who sued in a dispute that grew out of the long-uncertain results of Florida's vote for president. Many voters said their votes didn't count or they were turned away from polls due to mistakes on voter lists, busy telephone lines at election headquarters, punch-card voting machine foul-ups and other problems. Statewide, the largest numbers of voting problems were found in precincts with high proportions of black and elderly voters. Under the settlement, both sides will work to restore voters who were wrongly removed from voters lists in the 2000 election. Many law-abiding voters across the state said their names were dropped because they were mistakenly pegged as ex-cons, who generally aren't allowed to vote in Florida. The county also agreed to improve communication and training for staffers who work on election day. Leon County includes the state capital of Tallahassee. *********** ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #53 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)