From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #52 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 052 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: music question NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: NJC Re: Cath's Surresonant Self-intro, part 2 - NJC ["Wally Kairuz" <] spectrum 76 [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: kucinich (sorry catherine) njc [Randy Remote ] Ed Sciacky dead at 55 [Brei Gross ] Ed Sciacky dead at 55 [Brei Gross ] Re: spectrum 76 [Randy Remote ] Hi ["jlobello" ] Today's Library Links: January 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 ["ash" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 NJC ["ash" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:33:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: music question NJC --- PhydeauxVvvvV1@aol.com wrote: > Garret, > Thanks for the nice note. I really enjoy playing > at home, for my children > or when I just have a little time to myself and also > when I'm having a bad > day. I guess there are times for me that playing is > almost therapy or a > "spiritual/emotional" release. I love to play and I > love to hear others play. All that > you said seems to ring true. I grew up and a non > musical family and playing an > instrument was very obscure and not encouraged in > anyway. Are you sure you're not related to me? My family was the same way. My parents didn't particularly encourage anything artistic, even though my mother was a bit of an artist (mostly oil painting). They didn't out-and-out discourage it, but it wasn't something the wanted us to take in school. I wanted to study music and art in high school, but my parents discouraged it. My father was convinced that his kids should take only "academic" subjects, no artsy things. Back in those days, kids usually didn't argue with their parents - at least, not in my family. I took piano lessons when I was a kid (not as a school subject though) but gave up when I was 12 or so. I always wanted to learn guitar and taught myself when I was about 14 or so. It wasn't until I was over 30 that I finally started taking classical guitar lessons. Unfortunately I had to give that up this fall because I couldn't afford it anymore, but am taking a singing class. The irony of all this is that, even so, a couple of my sisters are really artistic - one is very good at any craft related to knitting or needlework and has designed knitted patterns. Her house is littered with yarns and threads and fabrics of all kinds. The other is more into painting and photography, but is also very good at a lot of crafts. I got more into the words and music. I'm convinced that my entire family is totally fecked-up because our creative side was stifled - but maybe we would have ended up that way anyway (LOL.) (Both of my sisters started out studying various things at college and university but dropped out without ever completing it - but the artsy side remained.) I encourage my kids to do what excites them. My daughter is a wonderful artist and is now getting into photography as well, and my son is now taking electric guitar lessons and is enjoying it immensely, playing Hendrix and Nirvana. And the other day Matthew was asking about the Beatles - all of a sudden, he thinks they're cool. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:46:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Cath's Surresonant Self-intro, part 2 - NJC you will never EVER be ignore, oh vierge. didn't we guess you IN after all? love, wally (formerly wallyburger, you know who i am!) > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Magic > Enviado el: Jueves, 29 de Enero de 2004 11:05 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: NJC Re: Cath's Surresonant Self-intro, part 2 - NJC > > > Like I said, "you guessed me out". Emphasis on the word "out". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:24:35 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: spectrum 76 Andrea left me her CD collection, which contained many of Joni's unreleased recordings distributed by the good people of this list. One of them is a 2-disc set of a concert at the Spectrum in Phil. in Feb 1976. It's absolutely wonderful. Not having ever seen Joni live, and really only knowing the official live recordings -- MOA & S&L -- it's a fascinating bridge between the two. My question is: who is the band? Is it the LA Express as on MOA? Sounds like it, but there's no info on the disc. I love hearing the Hissing songs on it. Plus the numbers to later appear on Hejira and DJRD. In fact, listening to the program, it seems possible that much of what appeared on those records were all written at the same time, in what must have been one of the most prolific periods of her career. I would love to know about the decision-making process that culled and sequenced those songs onto the two releases. I have always felt that DJRD lacks a certain sense of coherency; that there's a magnificent single album there that was stretched a little too far, or maybe, not far enough. Listening to this concert, I feel that maybe Joni consigned what she felt was the "B" material to DJRD. Any thoughts on this? Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:22:51 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: kucinich (sorry catherine) njc Norman Pennington wrote: > As for our most recent foray into Third Parties, the Dems are STILL pissed > at Nader for costing Gore the 2000 election. Ummm..I thought it was the Supreme Court that cost Gore the election by deciding not to count all the votes. I am registered as a Green, but I thought Nader's decision to stay in the race was a bad one. I think he really believes there is no difference between the two parties. He is probably correct that they are more alike than different, but there is a big difference between the Bushites, on their world conquest, and more moderate factions. I can see why Nader would say "screw 'em all"....I can also relate to the idea that it's better to have your sleazebags up front about their agenda (Bush) than trying to pass themselves off as liberal while selling the farm (Clinton). Bottom line, there should have been a better ABB campaign four years ago. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:28:47 -0800 (PST) From: Brei Gross Subject: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 Those of you who have heard the Second Fret tapes and/or the Gene Shay studio appearances by Joni in 1966 and 67 will know the name (pronounced Shockey) of this man, who the CBS Philadelphia 11 PM news reported a few moments ago as having died suddenly today. I do not have any more details, and there seems to be nothing online yet, but I am very saddened, as though a part of me is gone. Life *IS* way too short Everyone, please take care. Brian and Mags Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: Brei Gross Subject: Ed Sciacky dead at 55 Those of you who have heard the Second Fret tapes and/or the Gene Shay studio appearances by Joni in 1966 and 67 will know the name (pronounced Shockey) of this man, who the CBS Philadelphia 11 PM news reported a few moments ago as having died suddenly today. I do not have any more details, and there seems to be nothing online yet, but I am very saddened, as though a part of me is gone. Life *IS* way too short Everyone, please take care. Brian and Mags Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:39:57 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: spectrum 76 Bruce Kimerer wrote: > I feel that maybe Joni consigned what she felt was the "B" > material to DJRD. Any thoughts on this? While DJRD may have a few weak points (ie Tenth World), it's hard for me to think of Paprika Plains, Cotton Ave, Silky Veils or any of the rest as B material, at least in terms of quality. Maybe in terms of mass appeal. But what was she gonna do, keep churning out Court and Spark over and over again? That's what most artists would have done-I'm thankful that she didn't do that, and that we have DJRD. If those are her leftovers....yum...sometimes the leftovers are better than the original meal.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:53:12 -0500 From: "jlobello" Subject: Hi Hi Folks, I may be new to the group, but not to Joni. Although, I heard her on AM (and FM) radio (Big Yellow Taxi, and You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio) in the late 60s and early 70s when I was a kid, I didn't get really hooked on her until my girlfriend (at the time) gave me Miles of Aisles for my 23d birthday in 1975 (February--I guess that kinda dates me!). She told me that by listening to Joni I would get a better understanding about how women feel about life. Well, she wasn't exactly correct, because Joni gave me a better understanding of how I should feel about life, and look at the world. And to quote a person off of her documentary (which I own) Joni makes "raceless, genderless music" which I agree with wholeheartedly. Further more she has been an inspiration to me and has given life more meaning, and made it a little more bearable for me. We should all feel thankful to live in a universe in which Joni became part of our lives. Now to get back on my original track. At the time (in 1975) I bought everything she had out (Blue, For The Roses and Court and Spark--which I still own), and bought H of SL and Hejira as soon as they were released. However, for some reason at that time in Tallahassee, Florida, Clouds and Ladies of the Canyon were extremely hard to get hold of new (at the Book and Record CO-OP, anyway), and STAS was completely out of print. Anyway, I got busy with life and did not her Joni again until 1988 (in Bellingham, WA) when I heard her singing with Willie Nelson on my car radio (you know the song). Currently I own everything she has written except Mingus and Shadow and Light (and they are on the "to get" list). Just recently I acquired STAS and Clouds. STAS blew me away. I can't imagine why Night in the City wasn't a hit in '68. And, personally the CD doesn't sound "muddy" to me at all (like someone recently said in the group). I Had a King, Marcie (I believe both of these are autobiographical), Sisotowbell Lane (must be about her parents and going home), Cactus Tree and The Dawntreader are fabulous songs. Sometimes I skip between Travelogue and STAS to compare the different versions of The Dawntreader. I love them both. Clouds is darker (except for Chelsea Morning) and is taking a little more time for me to appreciate. I just recently acquired a vinyl copy of Miles of Aisles in mint condition. It is better (and more fun) than the CD version because the audience/Joni interchange has not be cut out as it has been in the CD. The dam record company cut it out just to get the music to fit on one CD instead of making it a two CD set in its entirety. Cheap bastards! If Helen C (haven't talked to her in 29 years) or Greg P (old Tallahassee pals) are in this group, please get hold of me. I now live in Marquette, MI. More next time, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:15:49 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 30 On January 30 the following article was published: 1995: "Joni Mitchell" - Variety (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1043 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:42:25 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:06:33 -0500 (EST) > From: anne@sandstrom.com > Subject: separated at birth (njc) > I guess there are common themes in science fiction... > Gollum - Dobby - Yoda Gandalf - Prof. Dumbledore - Obi Wan Kenobi (sp?) > Hermione - Princess Leia > and you know there may be more... feel free to add to > the list... So what are you suggesting? (insert smiley face here and the initials Lots Of Laughter) AND.....Peter Jackson has ripped off George Lucas?..who has ripped off Tolkien, Greek Classics, Viking Sagas, Assyrian tales and the Bible Stories...NOOOO!! well after all its Hollywood after all...same script just change the actors and location. Same as Joni.......? as in this house we have the radio and CD playing and the family soon as hear me playing Joni Mitchell turn down the radio or CD or shut the door!...well recently I noticed that they do this....but...its lady singers who sound like Joni and I gleefully point out the imitators to the family......this makes them now have to be sure that it is not Joni before they do these actions....tee hee...so I will get them converted one day.....I played Joni's 'Hits' a lot of the time to ease them in...well it seems to have gone missing!! As I do a lot of work from home.....I listen to things called Talking tapes..i.e. a someone reads stories to you on cassette or CD (please don't read anything into this!)...so I was listening to a Peter Corris crime thriller about someone killing the engineers of Sydney (Oz) Harbour Bridge...'Wet Graves' and this private investigator lived in a slum/broken down part of town and the developers had moved in and the investigator was the only one left...well he was contemplating the silence in his flat/apartment and he missed the sound of the biker gang on one side of him...with their building shaking motor bikes and on the other side the squealing and ever screaming of the sensitive men and even the sad sounds of Joni Mitchell that came drifting in thru his window!! and on Ebay...I got 2 Joni CDs from 2 sellers in states (NSW and VIC) cheap as chips...but the postage from one Australian state to another is a killer..!! Worse was the bank charges to do it!! sad as one Joni CD was offered at $1.25 Australian...and NO bidders! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:50:05 +1100 From: "ash" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 NJC From Tasmania On the radio today was a cover version of the Who's behind blue eyes...then Jim Carey's version of Jefferson Airplanes ..Somebody to love...then another version of this song by Boogie Pimps and then the Stevie Nicks song.....(it has the words..."standing in A line") and then? (and Then? and Then ? Hey Dude wheres my car?) and many more...where is the real talent ?and how can these people hold their heads up?....but then their are those groups who copy others such as Queen, Doors, AC/DC, ABBA, Elvis?...but the funniest must be the Michael Jackson impersonators...I bet their careers are on hold!! but where will it end??? I thought we had learnt people?!! In Manchester (UK) in the early 70's to well 1980's.... we had so many copies of covers but by ....AWFUL people! Swingles do the Beatles Mrs Mills sings ABBA's B sides Hammond organ of Rolling Stones hits that were hits but only got to No.69 in the charts and you forget the words! Moog music for intimate moments that covers all the New Seekers and Bucks Fizz music, Big Kev in the bath sings Lulu, Sandy Shaw, Pawtella Clark, The London Philharmonic Orchestra does the top 20 hits, The Royal Scots Grey's band also does those chart toppers. The Church of the Immaculate Conception strangle all those songs by Cliff Richard when he was bonking that Sue girl the tennis player, The chipmunks do all your favourites, Pinky and Perky do the same...even you can do this if you turn your record speed up from 33 to 75!!, The Children's Choir of South Manchester sing the Beatles Volume 3, Top of the Pop hits (but done by the Top of the Pops band due to contractual reasons) of 1973, Top of the Hit parade..done by The Simon Parks Youth Orchestra. Blaster Bates does Isaac Hayes and Barry White on his paper and comb while demolishing the Staylbridge cotton Chimney. Limited Edition, Chart Toppers of 1971 sung in Spanish but the cover record sleeve is of a girl in a string bikini with large breasts, Chart Toppers of 1972 sung in Latin and Spanish, the cover record sleeve is of a girl in a white Shirt only (wet) and man in suit on beach..man is staring at woman's large breasts, Chart Toppers of 1973 sung in Welsh but the cover record sleeve is of a girl in hot pants and its her right cheek we see. and last we have all those Max Bygraves, Des O'Connor, Val Doonican sing the popular songs of 1974..some on double albums!! where does it end???? MUZAK elevator/lift or supermarket music? I was worried at the time that Michael Jackson had the rights to some/all the Beatle collection and Gawd forbid it would be bought by a product advertising agency and released as a jingle?...Now I am older I don't actually care (hush your mouth!!) there I said it!! Let the words set you free!....I only hope that the nice people who do sell women's sanitary napkins or Peni pads (see no product endorsement here) and have Penny Lane or Let it be as the sound track to the 30 second promo for there product......burn in hell and all the .....CENSORED Last bit...the Jefferson Airplane's song...Somebody to love is by Boogie Pimps...well er its CRAP!...some engineer or producer or some Fwit has introduced a stutter effect..that is annoying to the extreme..that I instantly disliked it with such an intensity ..I had to compose this......but has made me like the Jim Carey (he the comedian/actor) he sings as tho he is plucking at his throat which really does sound like Grace Slick! Ash in Tasmania..here comes the sun! Did any one see the Australian tennis last night?.....Bloddy brilliant!!...bloomin Russian!!.....Marat Safin he's thrashed so many Yanks..even McEnroe had to laff at this!!..but funnier ????...3 Aussies out on Australia day!! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #52 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)