From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #50 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 29 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 050 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: REPUBLICANS njc ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [Deb Messling ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Kiwi Oscar nomination! (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: music question NJC [Garret ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC ["anon anon" ] Re: music question NJC [Garret ] Re: Kucinich njc [dsk ] Could someone confirm something unbelievable? [Nuriel Tobias ] Presidential Match - NJC ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] separated at birth (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] "Tax Free" - " Being Free" [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: musical highlight - politics njc [FredNow@aol.com] anybody but Bush njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Song Poems SJC ["amelio747" ] Re: Presidential Match - Kucinich - NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Kucinich njc ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: Presidential Match - Kucinich - NJC ["Norman Pennington" ] (NJC) Presidential Voices ["Lori Fye" ] Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction, njc [] Re: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction, njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: RIP Janet Frame - NJC ["mackoliver" ] Today's Library Links: January 29 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:49:52 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: re: REPUBLICANS njc A joke...? funny, ha ha. Buck writes: >To further illustrate the contrast in policies...take a look at the relative >economic positions of the countries with socialist economic policies (e.g., >France, the UK prior to the Thatcher revolution, Italy, Russia, etc.) >vis-a-vis the United States. How do you explain THAT one? Well, this is what I mean. First of all, these economies have little to do with 'socialism'. They are capitalist economies, based on private ownership of companies. Second, neoliberal policies of the last 25 years have unfortunately stripped European economies of the few socialist elements in them.....like state-ownership of those industries providing public services. Which means European economies and societies have started to look more and more like those in the States. Hence growing poverty and marginalisation, the development of ghetto's of hopelessness in cities, more and more children growing up in poverty and without access to healthcare. Indeed, wonderful... Still, however, the 'relative economic position' of the countries you talk about might be not as good as the States, the tradition of working class struggle, while weakened, still provides that workers have more rights and people with the lowest incomes live in better circumstances than in the States. Which has to do with that oldfashioned socialist tradition.....solidarity. Paul --- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The streetlight's still burning; She always misses. But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave. That one little victory, that's all she needs! Joni Mitchell: Sunny Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:10:14 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC It shouldn't be so surprising that we have a bunch of Kucinich matches here; he is a classic progressive, about as far left as you can get and stay in the Democratic Party. What might be surprising is why the liberal activists initially flocked to Dean, who is clearly much less liberal. My analysis is that a lot of old-time activists were worried about Kucinich's stand on abortion. Until he started exploring a presidential run, he used to be solidly AGAINST legal abortion . At 12:54 AM 1/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Something ain't right here...EVEN I had a 100% match with Kucinich!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:28:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC To check I took it over again and answered at the opposite spectrum as to what I truly believe, though as a Democrat. Lieberman was at the top, and Kucinich was at the bottom. So it worked. Jerry, happy to be seeing Judy Collins tonight at a small venue > something strange might be going on here------------i also was a 100% match > for kucinich. is this for real or is there some dirty politics happening? > thanks gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Notaro" > To: "Joni List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:13 AM > Subject: Presidential Match - NJC > > >> Interesting quiz matches your views with the candidates. >> I was surprised that my 100% match was Kucinich. >> >> Click here: AOL Presidential Match Main >> >> >> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:20:53 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Kiwi Oscar nomination! (NJC) > I heard this morning that Keisha Castle-Hughes from Whale Rider was nominated > for a best actress Oscar. I don't normally take much stock in the Academy > Awards, but it's nice that they gave a nod to some of the "smaller" movies, > like Whale Rider, Pieces of April and In America, which in my opinion have > more heart and soul than most of the big blockbusters. I was very shocked that both Samantha Morton and Djimon Hounsou were nominated even though they both deserved it. In America was by far my favorite movie of 2003 and I'm glad it is getting some recognition. Jerry, who is patiently waiting for Djimon to come knocking on HIS door! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:38:05 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Kucinich njc Hey...would one of you guys PLEASE send poor ol' Dennis a bottle of shampoo? :-) Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:16:28 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC Hey...I'm still waiting on your hell test score. Give it up!!! As far as Kucinich goes..now..I could NEVER EVER vote for him. BUT...watching him in the debates he seems to me as genuine...and someone that will do what he says he will do. I know he has about as much as a chance of becoming your parties nominee as you entering a nunnery. My prediction: KERRY AND EDWARDS. (Kerry on the top) (they need Edward's for the south ) Bree . >Woooo hooo Breeezy!! You are beginning to see the light hun thats all - >LOL!!! >The planets are realigning! Welcome Bree - we have been waiting for you! > >Ok Ok friend just kidding! > >Peace, >Susan > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: >Something ain't right here...EVEN I had a 100% match with Kucinich!! > >;-) > >Bree > > > >From: AzeemAK@aol.com > >Reply-To: AzeemAK@aol.com > >To: gmock@psyber.com, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu > >CC: joni@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC > >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:50:54 EST > > > >In a message dated 28/01/2004 00:38:11 GMT Standard Time, >gmock@psyber.com > >writes: > > > ><< something strange might be going on here------------i also was a 100% > >match for kucinich. is this for real or is there some dirty politics > >happening? >> > > > > > >Well, just for the hell of it, I had a go at this. And, guess what - I > >also > >scored 100% for Kucinich. Funny, that. I knew zilch about him before > >today, > >I'd barely heard of him a few weeks ago, and had never heard of him a > >couple > >of months ago. Sharpton was next for me with 91%, and Clark, who I'd > >imagined > >might figure higher, was down the list at 74%. Dubya scraped 5%, and I >too > >am > >mystefied as to how this poll works, other than wondering if Mr Kucinich > >has > >shares in AOL... > > > >Azeem in London > >_________________________________________________________________ >Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! >http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:10:46 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: music question NJC Hi Bob, i was thinking along the lines of "what has personally been the most exciting/important music related *anything* since start of 2000 for you?". Now, this could be a new album by an old favourite; astounding new/breakthrough act; life changing concert experience; making your own album; candle-lit church performance of Mozart's Requiem; Gladys Knight doing something spine tingling to Handel's Messiah; finally finding out how many cover versions of Downtown there are (and Dolly Parton kicks ass on that one;-) or anything. I just want to hear some of the always wonderful insights of JMDL members in relation to music:-) No real criteria. GARRET np- Tom Waits, Ol' 55 Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: > > Could you be more specific, Garret? Do you mean "what's the > best release of the century, what's the most significant > musical trend...I'll give it a shot but I'd like to think that > my response would be in tune with what you're looking for. > > Bob > > NP: Guided By Voices, "Queen Of Cans & Jars" > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:22:22 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: music question NJC yea, i think that has been pretty cool too. I've never been a huge Santana fan, in fact i actually don't know all that much about him at all other than the fact that he certainly gets a lot of deserved radio play (well, back home he does i just can't seem to find decent radio stations here in London so have given up trying!!). What i have heard and heard about him has been mostly positive. It's always good to see someone in the business so long get acknoweldged by a younger audience. no? GARRET >For me: the re-emergence of Carlos Santana. I LOVE his collaborations with >newer artists from diverse positions in the musical spectrum. The >production and playing on "Supernatural" and "Shaman" are simply excellent! > >Best Regards, >bp - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:49:44 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC >My prediction: KERRY AND EDWARDS. (Kerry on the top) (they need >Edward's for the south ) > >Bree > >. Yes I agree completly,and I think that would be wonderful,they'd be a very formidable team... _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:56:25 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: music question NJC That sounds really cool John (though im not sure i remember who Linda Manzer is!). That sounds like a great buy. You more or less found the motivation to start playing again. I think that is very special. I did take piano lessons as a child, but was awful, awful, awful ( i think i may have had the oddest of crushes on the teacher, lol). Then as a teenager i did purchase a guitar, but could not undertand how it was laid out and never really got beyond that! I dont really mind that though; im always very happy listening to others playing - - especially if they are enjoying it! Well, that and singing when there's no-one else in the house! I think my neighbours in the flat upstairs must think i have some problem. I just cant seem to sing quietly when im on my own. As soon as my partner goes to work, i start singing Last Time I Saw Richard at the top of my lungs!! And that is no pleasant sound i can tell now! I think (re-)discovering the motivatoin/desire to play music is/would be of immense importance to people, and i wish i could find the talent (even just enough so i could tune a guitar!) with it. I think that's great that you're playing again John and i hope you put in the requisite effort. The outcome will will be nothing short of musical:-) Thanks for sharing GARRET Quoting PhydeauxVvvvV1@aol.com: > > HI, > My best music experiance since 2000 would be the purchase of a 1070's > Larrivee L10 guitar. It has inspired me to start playing again. I played for > a > couple years in the 80's then stopped until last year when I bought the > Larrivee > and have been at it since. I belive it was built in the custom shop by Linda > > Manzer. > > anyway that was my big music thing > > John G > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:36:30 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Kucinich njc Norman Pennington wrote: > > Hey...would one of you guys PLEASE send poor ol' Dennis a bottle of shampoo? > :-) Republicans are so darn deep, aren't they? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:02:32 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Could someone confirm something unbelievable? Hello my dear, dear friends! Hope you've been missing me as much as I've been missing you I wanted to share with you something that's very strange I was listening to a cd named "Mouth by Mouth" by a band named "His Name Is Alive" (1993), and suddenly, between tracks 9-10, I heard the following: Theres a voice of an old woman saying "Joni" and then a voice that sounds just like Joni, so help me God, and we all know how she sounds when she speaks, and Jonis voice is a weeping voice, and it says "Party people, they're coming to take me to an insane asylum", then weeps a bit more, then ends. I was amazed! Please, if anyone knows this band, or the cd, or can find a way to hear it and confirm this, I'd thank him/her ever so much. And Im telling you all  it was Joni's voice, no doubt about it. Love you all, Nuriel Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:32:55 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: imposter (njc) Dylan, I believe you are an imposter. . . and I do not believe you are 13. I believe you were on this list before under another name. and perhaps you will "come a few times more." Marianne > From: "Dylan Rush" Reply-To: "Dylan Rush" > To: anne@sandstrom.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: >Hell test (njc) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:13:29 +1100 >Wow, Dylan! 4??? That's impressive. I think we should take up a collection >to make sure Dylan gets to JoniFest this year, just to add a few points :-) >So, um, really - 4? >Yes, 4, 'cause I'm only thirteen - therefore everything about drugs, sex >and dating is out, which only left >"Have you ever laughed at another's >misfortune?" and... um... the one about talking on the phone... >*blushes* _________________________________________________________________ Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:57:12 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Presidential Match - NJC >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:47:16 -0500 >From: Deb Messling >Subject: Re: >Thanks for the link! Kucinich was also my 100% match, followed by >Sharpton. Interestingly, Kerry came out ahead of Dean. Same order for me. and then Clark and then Lieberman. What is it about Lieberman? I just don't trust him. My motto: A. B. B. Anybody But Bush. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:11:34 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC >> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:47:16 -0500 >> From: Deb Messling >> Subject: Re: > >> Thanks for the link! Kucinich was also my 100% match, followed by >> Sharpton. Interestingly, Kerry came out ahead of Dean. > > Same order for me. > > and then Clark and then Lieberman. > > What is it about Lieberman? I just don't trust him. I don't agree with all of his views, but I think he has been honest and straight up about them. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:06:33 -0500 (EST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: separated at birth (njc) I guess there are common themes in science fiction... It seems these characters were separated at birth, each going their separate way to a blockbuster movie series... Gollum - Dobby - Yoda Sam - Ron Weasley Frodo - Harry Potter Dark Riders - Dementors Gandalf - Prof. Dumbledore - Obi Wan Kenobi (sp?) Hermione - Princess Leia and you know there may be more... feel free to add to the list... There's a hilarious parody just waiting to be written based on all this... lots of love Anne p.s. Obviously Tolkein had an influence on Joni, as she named her first publishing company Galdalf Publishing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:53:38 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: "Tax Free" - " Being Free" Hi friends, I often wondered about joni saying that she's quitting ever since she began...and maybe it's quitting not the nusic biz, but quitting life? I thought about the words "Tax free, save me" - and then i thought - maybe the ending of her debut in the words "being free" can be explained as not being, same as in tax free? (being - is the tax) - and maybe that's why she's asking to be saved, because her will to live, to be, is stronger than her wish to be free of being? Or the other way around - maybe her will to bo gone is so strong, that she asks for help? Just some thoughts... Love, Nuriel Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:56:23 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: musical highlight - politics njc >>Catherine McKay wrote: >> >>Garret asked: >> >>Anything set to music that does not involve the republican party, the >>democratic party, or anything related to the politics of any country but, >>most particularly, the politics of the USA. (Can't they just get their >>friggin' elections over in 6-8 weeks like normal people instead of dragging >>it out over a year?) Catherine, I hear you about the endless political season. However, your criteria would disqualify what for me is certainly one of the musical highlights since 2000, namely Rickie Lee Jones' recent masterpiece "The Evening Of My Best Day." Even though some of the lyrics are overtly political (and all right on in my view), you'd be missing out on a life-affirming experience by avoiding this album. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:04:53 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: anybody but Bush njc When I say "anybody." I don't mean a republican. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software  optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:09:15 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC >>Jerry Notaro wrote: >>Interesting quiz matches your views with the candidates. I was surprised that >>my 100% match was Kucinich. Jerry, why were you surprised? My match was Kucinich (and then, as with most who align with him, Sharpton then Kerry then Dean), and I wasn't surprised at all. I've always known that he was the candidate who best matched my own views, but also that he, unfortunately, didn't have a chance. There is only one issue that matters: electability. I had once thought Dean fit the bill even though there were some views of his I disagreed with, but I think his mojo has peaked, and not because of the "I Have A Scream" speech ... remember, he had come in a distant 3rd in the Iowa caucus; his ship had already sailed. Now it looks like Kerry has the mojo, and that's fine with me. I saw his interview with Ed Bradley on 60 Minutes: he's smart, articulate, Lincolnesque, and he's a vet with badges. He really does come across as "presidential." I'm a bit concerned because he's a senator (governors traditionally do better), and from a Northern state (Democrats from the South do better), but then the first JFK was also a senator from Massachusetts. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:13:33 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC >>> Jerry Notaro wrote: > >>> Interesting quiz matches your views with the candidates. I was surprised >>> that >>> my 100% match was Kucinich. > > > Jerry, why were you surprised? Because I've never agreed 100% with ANY one. Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:39:36 -0000 From: "amelio747" Subject: Song Poems SJC I recently got the "Complete Poems & Lyrics" book by Joni (which btw I love) and have been thinking about how a lot of lyrics stand up really well just as straight poems while others can seem obscure without the music. I'm not surprised that most of Joni's hold up really well - in fact one of the main reasons I place Joni so high as an artist is coz I feel her music and her lyrics are usually both equally accomplished. Ok...so staying on the track of words at the moment - I've listed 10 songs which I consider the lyrics to be pure poetry. You can click on the links to read them if you like. They are in no particular order btw. I don't like to analyze too much coz I think mystery is beauty its self but I'm in such a sharing mood at the moment! Love to read what lyrics other people consider to be good poems. "The Dawntreader" by Joni Mitchell http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/TheDawntreader.cfm "Song To A Seagull" by Joni Mitchell http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/SongToASeagull.cfm "Blue" by Joni Mitchell http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/Blue.cfm "Crayon Angels" by Judee Sill http://www.kneeling.co.uk/pages/jsill/judeesill.asp#Crayon%20Angels "A Case Of You" by Joni Mitchell http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/ACaseOfYou.cfm "The Same Situation" by Joni Mitchell http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/TheSameSituation.cfm "Sweet Bird" by Joni Mitchell http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/SweetBird.cfm "32 Flavors" by Ani Difranco http://www.ani-difranco.net/ "Baker Baker" by Tori Amos http://www.hereinmyhead.com/collect/under/utp5.html "Undertow" by Suzanne Vega http://www.alwaysontherun.net/suz.htm#f NP: The Lamb Ran Away With The Crown - Judee Sill * * * * * * Stephen T "I get the urge for going But I never seem to go" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:46:43 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Presidential Match - Kucinich - NJC Lots of people here find themselves aligned with Kucinich, and somehow surprised to have done so. It's no surprise, folks ... your responses to the questions in the poll were the correct answers. Kucinich is the right answer in the best of all possible worlds. Then, sadly, there's the real world. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:00:44 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Kucinich njc Debra observed: > > Hey...would one of you guys PLEASE send poor ol' Dennis a bottle of shampoo? > > :-) > > Republicans are so darn deep, aren't they? > > Debra Shea Yup...but our depth is exceeded by all y'all's sense of humor. bp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:20:27 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - Kucinich - NJC Fred realistically observed: > Kucinich is the right answer in the best of all possible worlds. > > Then, sadly, there's the real world. > Theoretically, Marx and Engels had the right answers, too. There's just SOMETHING about that Real World... Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:48:03 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) The "Real" World Buck sez: > There's just SOMETHING about that Real World... ... which seems to have little to do with Bush's World, where it's justifiable to go to war against a people whose leader "wanted" to build WMDs and "would have" built them if those pesky economic sanctions had only been lifted ... ... but who, apparently, never did build those WMDs afterall. It's sort of like thinking about robbing a store, or feeling so angry you would like to kill somebody, but not doing either of those things. Should we be jailing or killing people for thinking about doing bad things? Ah, but it's the fault of the intelligence agencies, not Bush. Nevermind that he's the president, that he gave the command to "shock and awe" the Iraqis. Nevermind that he damn well should have been POSITIVE that he knew what he was talking about before the killing began. (Or was it just that GW wanted to finish Daddy's business?) And are the Iraqis really better off now? So many are unemployed, homeless, hungry. We're standing in the way of their free elections. Car bombs are going off nearly everyday, and people there are terrified. They have no control and no say. Let's face it. The U.S. fucked up. If we get out of this without pissing off the entire Arab world, we should count ourselves lucky. And how many more Americans will have to die there before we say ENOUGH? Lori, trying not to post the political but too disgusted not to do so P.S. - I love you, Buck! : ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:55:01 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Presidential Voices Fred wrote: > Now it looks like Kerry has the mojo Not only that, he has (imo) a very "presidential" voice. This is just as shallow as voting based on how a guy looks, but honestly, the way someone carries him/herself and the way they speak can sway a voter. Not to diss our U.S. southern contingent, but I don't think I could stand to listen to Edwards speak for 4 years. Dean's voice sounds forced, as does Clark's. Lieberman sounds like a wuss. And Kucinich and Sharpton aren't really even in the game. Just my 2 cents. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:59:12 -0500 From: Subject: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction, njc Hi Cath, That was an interesting introduction. Have you ever subscribed to the list under the pseudonym Chris G? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu From: Magic Subject: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:09:09 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction, njc Hi Magic Cath, Welcome to the list. Lori, pondering all that you wrote ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:27:25 -0800 From: Magic Subject: Cath's Surresonant Self-intro, part 2 - VLJC Hi again everyone! Today my mood is improved. Yesterday, I tried to communicate with my computer and explain that, '... if it was going to worship me, it should know who I am.' Happily, it did not respond, so I believe neither of us are deluded. Today my mood is improved. Yesterday, I explained to my computer how to obliterate all mathematical logic by neutralizing the concept of operators (and values, functions, rationalized variables, etc). However, I used operators to do so, so I was caught in hypocrisy. Hypercrisy would seem to be trying to use yet more operators, eg. words, to make my poignant point. Procne, Philomela and Tereus (and perhaps another sister Amarallyssa) are examples of multi-protagonists in Greek myth, which is unusual, in my opinion, which is unusual. Surely chords would've been used for their stage entrance, and tetrameter -- also unusual. Like attacked cave-women electing a leader, via the push-butt-on method, to defend the cave from yet another predator or band of unknown hunters (non-voters), would these protagonists have agonizingly gone forth (and multiplied)? Not if they were too scared of a tigress' oral emissions/missives. When Afghanistan began to settle down, I called DiFi (Dianne Feinstein) and proposed a "femocracy", replete with new trainees in huge Caterpillar earthmovers building a much-needed dam or two, and moving aside non-voters (male masochists). I also called Barbara Boxer, and then every female congresswomen. But their staff was somewhat dismissive of the idea as unworkable. I could not reach what's her name, Benazir Bhutto, the former premier of Pakistan, it goes w/o saying. As the sperm-like presidential candidates now make their way upstream towards the Ovum Office, I am given to thinking that salmon do not follow the watercourse way of the tao -- or do they? Ergo, Hilary must become the utter contrarian to succeed? She should start an organization called 'The Dam Nation', where "D" stands for Devotion instead of mutually assured Destruction. Far be it from me to prove that energy also follows the path of least resistance, for if the universe is expanding, how can the speed of light be constant when miles and seconds are not constant? But if e=mc^n instead of e=mc^2, and n approaches 2 asymptotically, i.e. expandingly, then the great Alma Mater of the Void can contain my impregnable theories. That would also improve my mood, for I am devoted. In Genesis/JoniSys, it states, "In the begynning there was the Void and a smirk appeared on the face of the void and Good saw it and said it was God." Now God had a condition known as priapism (constant erection) since he was now the tongue and teeth beneath the smirk, though he was curvaceous and loquacious and transcendental. So he applied for disability, it being too embarrassing to go to work that day, and that was the end of the first day off and it was goodly guided, as sex should be. And humans have been preoccupied with things that FIT ever since, though they were bet faintly evanescent in the Mind Beauty of that day off=on. Evanescent is a word that relates to the words cellophane, phantom, the old god Phanes, penis and Venus -- as the letters "p", "f" and "v" are phonetically related closely in the old days (among others, eg. "b"). So I'm also a fan of Van the man, though he suffered from vanity for some phenomenal affinities with divinities and fine fantastic finalities; he doesn't try too hard to fix facts. Aristophanes is a good source authority on fiends, funnels and fennel .. if you read him right. People are so interested in word-flowers and the lit lotuses but the well of creation is still deep and muddy. So salmon can smell in parts per billion and deserve our respect. I hope to create a device and then organism which can fully sense-comprehend the entire electromagnetic spectrum and present it to someone such as Hilarity or DiFi. But first I have to work out the thing symbologically and then biosymbologically. It is a problem of curve-fitting algorithms essentially. The fan-shape is both curve and angle and was etymologically recognized as such by the ancients, who gave it the letter "r", eg. Ra, radius, and reism ... but "p" and "r" are PRimary morphemes. So, to pry apart a waveform such as light into n angles is a spermish endeavor for Miss Tereus The Mystrine. Since e= m + c^2 in addition to e = m * c^2, e = m + c^n. That is, energy is mass intact with light-instant(s), where light-instant(s) are rates or event-rates. Refraction is angularity. Fractals are angularities. I sent my fractal necklace spiral of spheroids to the Dean of Math at Cornell but have not heard back; it is the fundamental Chaotic Order of Recycling Theory, which ManGynd will need to sustain Life, esp. diversity. Sensory diversity is energy diversity is intelligence diversity. Our input systems are more refine3d than our output/expressive systems -- language is a young mystical practice compared to scat. The Void is the majority opinion in the universe, i.e. empty death, where "Void" connotes "Word" antithetically; Energy is the minority opinion. So, we humans are all contrarians bound for the great Oval Orifice: De+Votedly. To swim against the void of words in a discussion list is also angularity therefore. So thanks for helping me with my research! And chord-structure, for the above is all yet FAINtly resonant, right? After all, both women and men but dimly realize that clocks are sublimated sex-symbols. Is human comprehension merely music minus time? from the open "PEN" of ... Cath, and Circe, aka Tereus P.S. Anyone ever read "The Myth of Freedom" by Chogyam Trungpa, was it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:05:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Cath's Surresonant Self-intro, part 2 - NJC **Since e= m + c^2 in addition to e = m * c^2, e = m + c^n. That is, energy is mass intact with light-instant(s), where light-instant(s) are rates or event-rates** I just think it's SO COOL that the Mars Rover thingy is sending posts all the way from Mars to our little list! Will wonders never cease? :~) Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Your Time Is Gonna Come" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:11:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Could someone confirm something unbelievable? **Please, if anyone knows this band, or the cd, or can find a way to hear it and confirm this, I'd thank him/her ever so much.** I've heard of him, Nuriel...he's from Livonia, MI where I lived for about 2 years. Here's a discography: http://www.evo.org/html/group/hisnameisalive.html I've never heard any of his stuff but it appears to be pretty weird. I thought at one point that he did a cover of Woodstock but it's a different song. I think also that he recorded for 4AD, your favorite label. ;~) Bob NP: The Allman Bros, "Ramblin' Man" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:28:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Could someone confirm something unbelievable? njc --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Hello my dear, dear friends! > > > > Hope you've been missing me as much as I've been > missing you > Welcome back, Nuri - I was just thinking about you the other day. (Every now & then I think about jmdlers who haven't spoken up recently - yes, it's true - I have no life.) But I can't help ya with the music question... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:44:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: music question NJC **"what has personally been the most exciting/important music related *anything* since start of 2000 for you?". ** Well, that was when I discovered Ani Difranco, and she's gotten me as excited as I've been about music in a while. And in the band category, it would be Death Cab For Cutie. I just really like their sound and I like they way Ben Gibbard writes. XM radio - that's very exciting to me. In the world of Joni, watching the "Let's Sing Out" video was very exciting for me - like going back in time. What excitement lies around the corner? Only time will tell. Bob NP: Coldplay, "Yellow" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:44:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: musical highlight - politics njc --- FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Catherine, I hear you about the endless political > season. > > However, your criteria would disqualify what for me > is certainly one of the musical highlights since > 2000, namely Rickie Lee Jones' recent masterpiece > "The Evening Of My Best Day." Even though some of > the lyrics are overtly political (and all right on > in my view), you'd be missing out on a > life-affirming experience by avoiding this album. OK, i take it back. My outburst was born of frustration with shitty weather here and yet another political thread on the list (the same old one in a new incarnation). I recognize people's right to talk about whatever they want to, but this stuff goes back & forth, and on & on, and no one is going to convince anyone to change their mind by yelling at them. I tend to fall stonily silent whenever someone tries to tell me how they think I should think. I agree with you about RLJ and "The evening of my best day." I hadn't heard any of the songs (although I had heard OF them) when I went to see her here in Toronto in the fall, and I was blown away... and promptly went out and bought the CD. And yes, he *is* an ugly man. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:27:35 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Crosby, Yes on TV this week njc An amazing performance of Roundabout last night which I saw and taped before I slipped into the arms of Morpheus. Was it me or were there 300 commercials on right before Yes came on. I really liked this acoustic version of the song that I thought I could go without hearing ever again after seeing the umteen times. I see they are playing Atlanta again soon, but right in the middle of Jazz Fest so it looks doubtful for the home team. Best Paz P.S. Just got ahold of a bunch of new boots of Anderson solo and some other Yes stuff. > All Times Eastern > TONIGHT JUST FOUND OUT > TUES JAN 27 NBC Craig Kilborn musical guest YES !!! > > WED Jan 28 > 7 PM TRIO Sessions @W 54th S.CROW/G.LOVE (re) > 10P WE Bangles Live @ The House of Blues > Letterman: Cyndi Lauper (re) > > THURS Jan 29 > 9 PM TRIO Parking Lot Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks > Kilborn - Julie Brown, DAVID CROSBY !! > > FRI Jan 30 > 9:30 PM & 12:30 AM TRIO Parking Lot FMac/Stevie Nicks > > > SUN Feb 1 > 10 AM & 8 PM VH-1 Norah Jones video premiere > 11:30 & 10 PM SHON Planet.. Garbage > 12PM,3:30P,7P,10:30P TRIO Parking Lot FMac/Stevie Nicks > > MON Feb 2 > 7:30 PM TRIO Trio on Tour Nirvana > Conan - Michelle Branch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:29:09 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: musical highlight - politics njc I really like the new RLJ record and plan to get it soon. Jack is obsessed with it. I have been spininng Lucinda's new one produced by my friend Mark Howard. Two REALLY good albums. RLJ is gonna be here at the Howlin Wolf next weekend and I will be there. Paz > > Catherine, I hear you about the endless political season. > > However, your criteria would disqualify what for me is certainly one of the > musical highlights since 2000, namely Rickie Lee Jones' recent masterpiece > "The Evening Of My Best Day." Even though some of the lyrics are overtly > political (and all right on in my view), you'd be missing out on a > life-affirming experience by avoiding this album. > > -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:35:20 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: RIP Janet Frame - NJC NZ lost one of it's finest writers this morning, as Janet Frame finally passed away from acute myeloid leukaemia (diagnosed about four months ago). She was 79. Those who have seen (or read) "An Angel At My Table" will be aware of the obstacles she overcame in her life, particularly the mis-diagnosis of schizophrenia at a very young age, for which she was committed to psychiatric hospitals for many years. She will be sadly missed. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3546285&thesection=news&thesubsection=general http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3546324&thesection=news&thesubsection=general Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:58:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction, njc or le vierge d'houle, perhaps? wally, very much in tune with jim's thoughts > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > jlamadoo@fuse.net > Enviado el: Miircoles, 28 de Enero de 2004 08:59 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction, njc > > > Hi Cath, > That was an interesting introduction. Have you ever subscribed > to the list under the pseudonym Chris G? > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu > > From: Magic > Subject: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:35:56 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Kucinich njc Norman Pennington, as the rep for the Repubs, wrote: > > Yup...but our depth is exceeded by all y'all's sense of humor. Oh, you're so right about that... the Dems' sense of humor IS greater than the "our" depth! I am amazed that we are in such agreement on that, Buck. :-) Debra Shea, one of the big D Democrat all y'alls P.S. I'll bet you didn't mean to say what you wrote... too bad, sweetpea, I'm stickin' with it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:40:46 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: RIP Janet Frame - NJC I fell in love with this woman after watching the flick Hell and have watched it countless times since. Sorely missed indeed. mack np: ttt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:15:18 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 29 On January 29 the following articles were published: 1974: "WMMR Retrospective Transcription" - WMMR (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=604 1974: "WMMR Retrospective Transcription (Part 2)" - WMMR (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=945 1975: "Top Women Performers Plan Gala Benefit at U.N" - New York Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=826 1998: "Rummaging Through the Attic" - Cornell Daily Sun (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=64 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #50 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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