From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #49 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 28 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 049 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: newbie - NJC [PhydeauxVvvvV1@aol.com] Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction [Magic ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Presidential Match - NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC ["hell" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #48 - Joni pic [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Kiwi Oscar nomination! (NJC) ["kerry" ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Presidential match [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Presidential match DEMOCRATS WON TONIGHT (NJC) ["Happy The Man" ] Crosby, Yes on TV this week njc [Randy Remote ] Re: presidential match NJC [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: Presidential Match - NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:11:06 -0500 From: PhydeauxVvvvV1@aol.com Subject: Re: newbie - NJC Hi Ron, Thanks for the nice note. I've been a Mark Heard fan for many years and I'd have to say, over time it would be a good idea to get as much of his music as you can if you really want to get what he was trying to say to us all. I think my favorite songs at the moment are "Strong Hand of Love and Nod over Coffee, but my taste seems to stay pretty dynamic when it comes to artist I like. So next week, who knows. I used to see him around up here back in the 80's. Mostly very small venues or coffee houses and it was wonderful. John G When you're lovers in a dangerous time sometimes you're made to feel as if your love's a crime but nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight got to kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - ---- Bruce Cockburn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:59:20 -0800 From: Magic Subject: Cath's Surresonant Self-Introduction Hi everyone! Allow me to introduce myself, point by painful painted pint: 01) I can still play "Cocaine (Blues)", as per Van Ronk, since I learned to fingerpick starting in the summer after 6th grade, when I also started smoking tobacco and weed. The year was 1966. So I guess I'm one of those "blue, blue windows behind the stars", per recent threads. Joni was collected by my first lover, who had several other older lovers. I tried to learn John Fahey but got frustrated, and Julian Bream, whose "20th Century Guitar" LP is a real gem, if you like classical guitar taking on flamenco and avant-garde in ]he same work, eg. Villa-Lobos. Joni is sacred to me and I do no] play her music anymore, just listen ..;. I just listen, and hum. I also hum Bach and flamenco, when nudged by certaine formations of Clouds. 02) You've guessed by now that I'm depressive! Hah! If only! I'm a Republican so my dilemma is very much worse!! ;-) I love Presiden] Bitch and VP Lon Chaney (Wolfman). I don't believe in elec]ing vic]ims, so I won't be voting for Hilarity this time. I did vote for Bull instead of Bush in '92; I thought he had ]he better wonks. I vo]e for the team, not the party. I guess I believe that Saddam had a woodchipper for his enemies and Bitch does not, but then again, both Bitch and Kerry belong ]o Yale's Skull & Bones. But then again, Bucky Fuller described how the world has been ruled by the navies and pirates for quite some time now -- if you're into Systems Theory. I enjoy Math, Programming, Painting, Poetry and communication (mediums) that aren't One-To-Many systems, eg. radio, TV, films, concerts, etc. I make exceptions tho, like Art Bell = Coast To Coast each night. I grew up on Alan Watts on Pacifica Radio so my Republic inclues taoists and calligraphers, if I can't read Plato in Greek but I do read Mandarin at the museum some. 03) My depression stems from the realization that Life feeds on Life but Math and Chemistry equal Humor in my world, so I laugh it all away. I suspect that Judeo-Christian principles are based on delusions, to which I ascribe also hyper-logics and sur-logics -- all language and symbols I also hold ]o be delusional yet useful handles on reality and absurdity. Jesus adjured the demons and piglets and I believe the Catholic Church erased the verse where He states he hates lima beans as much as I do. ALL the above is a joke and I am a tautological liar, for if God=Possibility, then what describes the area ABOVE the famed Probability Curve?? I believe in FIT and ANGLES more ]han in EQUALITY and RIGHTS, but my Physics are self-taught and a bit abreal. BTW, Possibility includes Delusion includes God imho. "BUT" and "OR" and "NOT" are AND-states in ]erms of logical derivatives, because Affirmation includes Negation, "but" "not" the other way 'round. When Satan yelled "NO!" at Yahweh and Milareypa devoided his demons, they both in fact FIRST affirmed that which they sought to deny ]he authority of, much as Navajo rugs leave a place for evil spirits to escape -- all negation begins with acknowledgement of what Rimbaud termed The Other. So absurdity and Dennis Miller ]end to quiet the Hegelians in the crowd. I consider *that* ]o be the point at which I lost my virginity, "not"="and" ]he pseudological sexual event. 04) I believe in RESONANCE moreso than FEELINGS, esp as the source of creativity and naoveti. I am the first and last woman on this planet, "et"ymologically speaking. That "et-" and po+"et" are the it, I, id and idiom that Jungian poetry has left us. NativITy is a cognate in the sense that humans believe their own energy/ies are intelligent, "but" "not" the Sun's energy/ies. I do (not) care how many fewer chromosomes a sea slug has than I have so much as IT can bring chaos out of order by swimming slowly and ever so curiously and ever so musically. The way "IT" resonates in your oral cavity, even when seemingly only thought (though the tongue yet quivers it) is different ]han how it "FEELS" ]o consider ]he difference in fret-lengths between a guitar, mandolin, hammer dulcimer, and lap dulcimer. "But" "it" and fretted angles are related problems the ear knows how to solve, love, and resolve. Joni sang of hearing "you" in the wires in the walls, of hearing melodies in rain concatentations, etc. That is cognate at the level of perception, rather ]han cognition. If your sensory systems comprehended all wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum(s), I'd consider you an authority ... 'I am a lonely witness, I live in a box of testimonies'. Thus, I share your pain, your pleasure, if "not" your mood(s). 05) In the Joni Glossary of jmdl.com is an entry on "friend of spirit" and a couple on "blue". Question: Did Joni awake ]he Rinpoche's "I" when he responded "I did?!"? It is in that sense ]hat I am also first and last and mean average of us all, and believe you are also the Probability Curve and its Surround. The formula for that curve is y=P=e^x^2 or e^x^n = 1 = 100% where "^" denotes exponentiation. When pi * diame]er d = circumerference c of length=1, then P = pi*d. Then c is asymptotic. To define a circle via its Surround is pret]y difficult. The paranoid madman who helped create the Oxford English Dic]ionary (and so the Evasive English Dictionary), per ]he recent book I recommend, "The Madman and the Professor" (or v.v.), was delusional and devoted. Bear in mind ]hat Shakespeare had no dictionary/ies / thesaurii. But Willy the Shake went down to the beads of guile, right? Thus, when we define "Blue" by singing along and resonating to it, we are her awakened brushes = fangs, right? Definitionally, I "mean". So, please forgive me if I drank and womanized, Mr. Clinton. He was rich in disgrace. And Joni proclaimed herself to be a (curvaceous) Temptress too. What I mean is, it is difficut to define a thing by its Surround, as a brush is to a hue, as a sound box is to the inner ear. So Joni is sacred because she is a tatoo sailing away, a symbol on ]he waves, like ]he rigging is a weak net of percep]ion whose songs she admired none]heless. Perhaps she heard voices that blamed her for sun on her wings? Allow me an algorithm, by way of explanation: a + b = a * b ..... ) cathection@sbcglobal.net, 1996. a = ba - b a =b(a - 1) a/(a-1)=b When b=12, a=12/(12-1)=12/11 12/11 + 12 = 12/11 * 12 12/11 + 132/11 = 144/11; Proved. The solution set contains all numbers other than Unity or 1, for if a=1 and 1-1=0 in the denominator is undefined, then a=1 is undefined. As "+" and "*" are verbs, morphs, operators, operations, and AND-states ... then [a=b = a*b] means the Universe is operator-neutral whenever b=a/(a-1) and a=b/(b-1). So e = mc^2 has a solu]ion e = m + c^2. And pi * d has a solution pi + d = c. And a^2 + b^2 = c^2 (so important to Pythagorean Scales and Western Music) has the condi]ion a^2 * b^2 = c^2 .. when a^2 = b^2 / (b^2 - 1). And f(x) + g(x) = f(x) * g(x). In other words, I have discovered in ]he Universe a Truth missed by Pythagoras, Archimedes, Newton and Einstein -- no] ]o mention Joni and Rinpoche. Ergo(t), the above is extremely profound, if quite simple to follow algebraically. BTW, a-b = a/b and a-b = a*b also have solution-sets, often multi-asymptotically. Next, imagine another operator, between and including "+" and "*" ... let's use ";". So, for 3+4 = 7 and 3*4 = 12, then 3;4 = {7,8,9,10,11,12} if ]he operator ":" is valid for mere in]egers. ";" is morphing and=or tweening. At this point, fret-lengths become pretty arbitrary, and Joni's new harmonies can be denoted and interpolated. Not being one to destroy ]he sacred, I leave that up to your genius/jonious. So, all those Physics formulas are operator-modifiable, right? Reading the musical notes on the page is reading angles, joined angles as are curves, in a Surround of Space. Etymology is all down to hums, humming along, since every vocalic has consonantals and vice versa. Wind instruments are lung-percussives. Distinctions and definitions are brush-blurrable and Krishna-knife abscissable. I don'] know what that means either! Math=Humor. 06) I expect some of you to ignore the math, others the logic, others the perceptilogical-etymological humming-alongs, still others my mood, which has improved by sharing my pain. I'd prefer you laugh at them instead, but Oh Well?! Equating all operators pretty much destroys the fundamental logics of math; Oh Well! I guess I'm deep and muddy!! All the easier to light a lotus! When my own father passed away not long ago I emersed anew and immersed old. 07) I originated ]he word "cathection" -- please see "cathexis" / "cathect" / "catholic" / "concatenate" AND go sailing from there -- I only want to be wind and waves to your rigging of eleatic elec]ions!?! Shakespeare got by w/o a dictionary -- why should I begrudge you the same privilege?? But here's what "cathexis" is, in the opinion of professors/madmen: "The concentration of emotional energy upon some object or idea." From the Greek for 'a holding, retention ... kata-, down + ekhein, to have and to hold.' I've heard that the difference between rape and great sex is salesmenship -- I hope you haven't been violated or invalidated or violeted or violined? I hold, fretlessly and fretfully, that all sensory systems evolved from pain and eventually evolved THRESH+HOLDs. By that, you may've guessed me out. We met here and have lived together 6 years, plus. I hope that you find uses for the words "cathexis" and "cathection" in your idiomatic logics, since they may mean "love", en fin. Christ loved his disciples and I seek to love all disciplines. Joni did not violate His spirit, even as she sacrificed her Blues ... is my answer to my own question, and I welcome your responses. I do hope my in+throw+duct+tape of an introduction will tease your tongues, "not" terrorize your Tereus-blue windows (or whatever the lovely color of your sand and sea eyes!) ... sea-age our eye is ... Love, and Cathec]ion, Heart and Humor, and Humility ... "AND" = "LOVE"; Proved; Cath Postscript Question for Discussion? - ----------------------------------- "Must MIND exist as an extant possibility in order for man=kind to develop=evolve mind?" If that infers or posits God for you, let "IT" be? I am a Possybilitist, philosophically and religiously: "SIQUOMB, isn't she?"; and she's headed towards Sybil for sure? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:27:55 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC something strange might be going on here------------i also was a 100% match for kucinich. is this for real or is there some dirty politics happening? thanks gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Joni List" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:13 AM Subject: Presidential Match - NJC > Interesting quiz matches your views with the candidates. > I was surprised that my 100% match was Kucinich. > > Click here: AOL Presidential Match Main > > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:50:54 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC In a message dated 28/01/2004 00:38:11 GMT Standard Time, gmock@psyber.com writes: << something strange might be going on here------------i also was a 100% match for kucinich. is this for real or is there some dirty politics happening? >> Well, just for the hell of it, I had a go at this. And, guess what - I also scored 100% for Kucinich. Funny, that. I knew zilch about him before today, I'd barely heard of him a few weeks ago, and had never heard of him a couple of months ago. Sharpton was next for me with 91%, and Clark, who I'd imagined might figure higher, was down the list at 74%. Dubya scraped 5%, and I too am mystefied as to how this poll works, other than wondering if Mr Kucinich has shares in AOL... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:53:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC Kucinich 100%, Sharpton 91%, Kerry 89%, Dean 86%, Clark 80%, Edwards 79%, Lieberman 66%, Bush 6% Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:28:07 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC gene wrote: > something strange might be going on here------------i also was a 100% match > for kucinich. is this for real or is there some dirty politics happening? I decided to have a go as well (even though I have very little interest in this subject - but I was intigued by everyone getting the same result), and predictably, Kucinich came out at 100%, followed by Sharpton and Kerry. Then I retried it, leaving all my options as "no opinion" and EVERY candidate matched at 100%. I suspect the calculations behind this thing are a little dodgy, to say the least. Also, after the first time, I checked my answers against Kucinich's answers, and they certainly don't match 100%. Maybe someone a little more internet-savvy (Chris, maybe?) can work out who "owns" this website! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - now even MORE new and improved! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:41:53 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #48 - Joni pic Subject: Re: Joni's birthday >http://www.thebluevoodoo.com/index.html > >There are two photos (the first two) on the photo page, and >a short item on the front page in the "News" section. There >are three samples of their music in the "Music" section. Yes, nice pic. Darn, I hate it when I find out Joni's been hangin out in BC, just up the road from me...maybe she'll warn me next time. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:42:56 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Kiwi Oscar nomination! (NJC) I heard this morning that Keisha Castle-Hughes from Whale Rider was nominated for a best actress Oscar. I don't normally take much stock in the Academy Awards, but it's nice that they gave a nod to some of the "smaller" movies, like Whale Rider, Pieces of April and In America, which in my opinion have more heart and soul than most of the big blockbusters. Kerry NPIMH - Dave Dobbyn - Language ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:04:34 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC Well you didnt expect me to stay silent once this game started did you? Well I would repeat my numbers but Kate and I virtually mirror eachother - I knew there was something I liked about you Kate! Actually I have been somewhat waffling between Dean and Kucinich from the start - as I thought at one time Dean had the best chance of beating BushyBoy. But things have changed and unfortunately I can not vote for Sharpton - he nauseates me. I have to feel right now that Kerry is the man - because I have to include in my choice the factor of who has the best chance of pulling off the victory - we cant afford - in my opinion - to be overly idealistic at this very time in the world. Doesn't mean I am selling out ... just compromising for the good of the whole. Peace, Susan If all else fails - Hilary in 2008! Kate Bennett wrote: Kucinich 100%, Sharpton 91%, Kerry 89%, Dean 86%, Clark 80%, Edwards 79%, Lieberman 66%, Bush 6% Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:04:26 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Presidential match Click here: AOL Presidential Match Main Fascinating....I matched with Kucinich 100%, a surprise to me (am I a working class ultra liberal?). Kerry at 95%. Bush at 19% (no surprise). Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:15:06 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Presidential match DEMOCRATS WON TONIGHT (NJC) Hey the democrats won tonight - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: Presidential match > Click here: AOL Presidential Match Main > > > Fascinating....I matched with Kucinich 100%, a surprise to me (am I a working > class ultra liberal?). Kerry at 95%. Bush at 19% (no surprise). > > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:55:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Presidential Match - NJC hi susan! i love kucinich's vision & am amazed that someone in politics & running for the nomination speaks these values- that to me is great progress & gives me hope...& my prayer is that someday we will have this kind of world...i think kucinich is a visionary & usually people like that are far ahead of their time... at one point i thought clark was the one who could beat bush but he's slipping...i am grateful to dean for all he has done to stir people up & get them involved...like you, right now i feel kerry is the man & do not at all feel that i am selling out...his answer about why he voted for the iraq war satisfied me & now it is time to move on...the fact that as a rich man's son he went to vietnam & that upon his return he was an active protester against that war carries a lot of weight with me...i agree susan, compromising for the good of the whole is being smart politically... polls are not always reliable but they showed one tonight on cnn of kerry vs bush & kerry winning by a couple of percentage points... keep that vision! > I have to feel right now that Kerry is the man - because I have to include in my choice the factor of who has the best chance of pulling off the victory - we cant afford - in my opinion - to be overly idealistic at this very time in the world. Doesn't mean I am selling out ... just compromising for the good of the whole. < ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:42:20 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Crosby, Yes on TV this week njc All Times Eastern TONIGHT JUST FOUND OUT TUES JAN 27 NBC Craig Kilborn musical guest YES !!! WED Jan 28 7 PM TRIO Sessions @W 54th S.CROW/G.LOVE (re) 10P WE Bangles Live @ The House of Blues Letterman: Cyndi Lauper (re) THURS Jan 29 9 PM TRIO Parking Lot Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks Kilborn - Julie Brown, DAVID CROSBY !! FRI Jan 30 9:30 PM & 12:30 AM TRIO Parking Lot FMac/Stevie Nicks SUN Feb 1 10 AM & 8 PM VH-1 Norah Jones video premiere 11:30 & 10 PM SHON Planet.. Garbage 12PM,3:30P,7P,10:30P TRIO Parking Lot FMac/Stevie Nicks MON Feb 2 7:30 PM TRIO Trio on Tour Nirvana Conan - Michelle Branch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:53:18 EST From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: presidential match NJC once again i enter a presidential election year with fear and confusion. Who the hell are th GOOD "guys" in all of this? who is true, who is wise, who will stand up for those trodden under the feet of the ignorant? who will finally realize that in the thousands and thousands of years of recorded history, war has never and will never bring peace? who can i lift my head up for and be proud to say " i voted for this person!"? my heart weeps, my soul mourns and i reach out to God for answers, God never lies. peace my friends Noel defino ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:54:28 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC Something ain't right here...EVEN I had a 100% match with Kucinich!! ;-) Bree >From: AzeemAK@aol.com >Reply-To: AzeemAK@aol.com >To: gmock@psyber.com, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:50:54 EST > >In a message dated 28/01/2004 00:38:11 GMT Standard Time, gmock@psyber.com >writes: > ><< something strange might be going on here------------i also was a 100% >match for kucinich. is this for real or is there some dirty politics >happening? >> > > >Well, just for the hell of it, I had a go at this. And, guess what - I >also >scored 100% for Kucinich. Funny, that. I knew zilch about him before >today, >I'd barely heard of him a few weeks ago, and had never heard of him a >couple >of months ago. Sharpton was next for me with 91%, and Clark, who I'd >imagined >might figure higher, was down the list at 74%. Dubya scraped 5%, and I too >am >mystefied as to how this poll works, other than wondering if Mr Kucinich >has >shares in AOL... > >Azeem in London _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:00:36 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 28 1974: The album "Court and Spark" was released and Joni celebrated by attending a Bob Dylan concert at the County Coliseum in Nassau, New York. At the concert, she sits between Cher and Lou Kemp, a childhood friend of Dylan's. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:07:08 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC Woooo hooo Breeezy!! You are beginning to see the light hun thats all - LOL!!! The planets are realigning! Welcome Bree - we have been waiting for you! Ok Ok friend just kidding! Peace, Susan Bree Mcdonough wrote: Something ain't right here...EVEN I had a 100% match with Kucinich!! ;-) Bree >From: AzeemAK@aol.com >Reply-To: AzeemAK@aol.com >To: gmock@psyber.com, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:50:54 EST > >In a message dated 28/01/2004 00:38:11 GMT Standard Time, gmock@psyber.com >writes: > ><< something strange might be going on here------------i also was a 100% >match for kucinich. is this for real or is there some dirty politics >happening? >> > > >Well, just for the hell of it, I had a go at this. And, guess what - I >also >scored 100% for Kucinich. Funny, that. I knew zilch about him before >today, >I'd barely heard of him a few weeks ago, and had never heard of him a >couple >of months ago. Sharpton was next for me with 91%, and Clark, who I'd >imagined >might figure higher, was down the list at 74%. Dubya scraped 5%, and I too >am >mystefied as to how this poll works, other than wondering if Mr Kucinich >has >shares in AOL... > >Azeem in London _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #49 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)