From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #48 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 27 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 048 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's birthday - NJC ["hell" ] Re: Joni's birthday NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] REPUBLICANS njc ["Paul Mepschen" ] Presidential Match - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [Deb Messling ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sad News [Michael Paz ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: Joni's birthday ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [dsk ] RE: Presidential Match - NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: REPUBLICANS njc ["Norman Pennington" ] Re: Welcome Fellow Republicans njc ["Kate Bennett" ] (NJC) Political Platform Match ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Welcome Fellow Republicans njc ["Norman Pennington" ] RE: Presidential Match - NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: (NJC) Political Platform Match ["Norman Pennington" ] RE: Welcome Fellow Republicans ["anon anon" ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC ["anon anon" ] Re: Joni's birthday ["Kate Bennett" ] Reminder: JMDL Poll still in progress ["Lori Fye" ] Re: music question NJC ["Norman Pennington" ] New Lyric NJC [David Sadowski ] Re: music question NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Welcome Fellow Republicans njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: newbie - NJC ["ron" ] unreleased Joni/ Elvis C. book on Amazon April 2004 ["Janine Sherman" ] Re: Presidential Match - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Presidential Match - NJC ["anon anon" ] Re: unreleased Joni/ Elvis C. book on Amazon April 2004 NJC [SCJoniGuy@ao] I'm happy to be a Democrat(NJC) ["anon anon" ] A little bizarre....Jethro Tull news...(njc) [waytoblu ] Re: music question NJC [Catherine McKay ] Fred Holstein Joni Content [vince ] RE: Welcome Fellow Republicans njc ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:54:11 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni's birthday - NJC Randy Remote wrote: > Don't know how you ever found this--Joni looks fine, eh? > Good to hear from you, where were you during the Hell Test? I'm not quite sure how I found it either, I just happened to stumble over it! And yes, Joni is looking very relaxed and happy, which she thoroughly deserves! And regarding the Hell test, I've obviously been living a life of purity - I only managed a pathetic 58 on the test, and Jonifests had nothing to do with any of it! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - now even MORE new and improved! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:39:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's birthday NJC **Never heard of her, and judging by the sound clips I found (link below), she's not likely to make it big any time soon! Not that she's awful, by any means.** My feelings exactly...very bland & plain. I mean, why bother? But I'm glad to have it just the same, obsessive covers collector that I am. **So I shouldn't tell you that we've had blazing hot sunny days for the past month, and very little rain? It's lucky friends of mine have just bought a house with a pool, so I can cool off!** No!! You shouldn't tell me this, and the next time I see you I'll make you pay! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:17:14 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: REPUBLICANS njc Buck (and son), It's clear you understand little about the economic policies of the Left. The wealthy are wealthy because they have people working for them who MAKE more money than they EARN. The difference goes into the pockets of the wealthy, and tends to stay there forever, because wealth is inherited........that's why George Bush is rich --- or would you say it's because he's worked so hard all his life or because he is so talented? Wealth in the United States and Europe, by the way, is historically deeply connected to the extreme exploitation of black people. Even after slavery was abolished. There's the famous story about Ford's car industry in Detroit and the extreme situations black people had to work in...............and it's only one example. I've spoken to people who worked the goldmines of South Africa, that have made a very tiny minority of Africans, mostly white, extremely rich. You say they worked hard for it? No true. They made money over the broken backs and sometimes dead bodies of their mine workers. I'm not even speaking about the dearest of blowjobbuddies of the current administration, the military weapon dealers, who literary make millions over the dead bodies of thousands....first they made millions selling weapons to Saddam, and then they made millions selling weapons used to overthrow Saddam. Hmmmmm, wonderful, you wealth. In the end, however, your country, and mine, are gonna sufficate in it. Paul Paul - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The streetlight's still burning; She always misses. But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave. That one little victory, that's all she needs! Joni Mitchell: Sunny Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:13:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Presidential Match - NJC Interesting quiz matches your views with the candidates. I was surprised that my 100% match was Kucinich. Click here: AOL Presidential Match Main Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:47:16 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC Thanks for the link! Kucinich was also my 100% match, followed by Sharpton. Interestingly, Kerry came out ahead of Dean. Maybe it's time to take the Dean sticker off my car. At 08:13 AM 1/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Interesting quiz matches your views with the candidates. >I was surprised that my 100% match was Kucinich. > >Click here: AOL Presidential Match Main > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:33:20 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC > Thanks for the link! Kucinich was also my 100% match, followed by > Sharpton. Interestingly, Kerry came out ahead of Dean. Maybe it's time to > take the Dean sticker off my car. Exactly my result list. Dean will always have my vote for bringing passion back to the arena. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:11:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC **Exactly my result list. Dean will always have my vote for bringing passion back to the arena.** And exactly mine as well...Hmmm, I wonder if the Kucinich camp is sponsoring that survey! Regardless of these issues though, the most important thing to me is ELECTABILITY. Whoever the Dems put up there, they have to convince the dems, the independents, minorities, women, anybody and everybody they can to get out and vote Bush (and more importantly all of his co-presidents) OUTTA there. A couple of encouraging things about the IOWA caucas; turnout was huge and the results were not as was expected. I would also be very interested in the cabinets that these candidates are proposing...after all, Bush in and of himself is a harmless puppet. It's the folks holding his strings; the Cheneys, Wolfowitzes and Rumsfelds who are the real agenda-makers and the problem, along with Corporate America and the lobbyists who has them all in their backpockets. Really & truly, I don't expect ANY politicos to keep their election promises anymore; I'm just looking for someone who will do a minimum of harm above all else. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:18:46 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Sad News It is with great sadness that I inform you all that Kakki's father passed on. He had been in poor health over the past couple of years and was quite ill when I was out in LA for NAMM. I just thought you guys should know. My prayers and love are with you and your mom Kakki in this very sad time. I hope you are able to heal quickly as well as your mom cause it is so hard to lose someone you have been with and caring for for so long I am sure she will be very lost for awhile, but hopefully she will heal quickly and go on with her own life. A big old bear hug from your old pal Paz. Hope to talk to you soon. Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:55:29 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC Jerry Notaro gave us: > Interesting quiz matches your views with the candidates. > I was surprised that my 100% match was Kucinich. > > Click here: AOL Presidential Match Main > > > Jerry Hmmmm. No amazing revelations here...wait...there IS one: my views are an 89% match with Kerry's. Guess with whom I agree 100%... Best Regards, bp, who has little or no understanding of how the economy REALLY works. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:01:20 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Sad News Dear Kakki, My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during this difficult time. Take care. Love Donna >>> Michael Paz 1/27/2004 9:18:46 AM >>> It is with great sadness that I inform you all that Kakki's father passed on. He had been in poor health over the past couple of years and was quite ill when I was out in LA for NAMM. I just thought you guys should know. My prayers and love are with you and your mom Kakki in this very sad time. I hope you are able to heal quickly as well as your mom cause it is so hard to lose someone you have been with and caring for for so long I am sure she will be very lost for awhile, but hopefully she will heal quickly and go on with her own life. A big old bear hug from your old pal Paz. Hope to talk to you soon. Love Paz This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:05:50 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's birthday > http://www.thebluevoodoo.com/index.html > > There are two photos (the first two) on the photo page, and > a short item on the front page in the "News" section. There > are three samples of their music in the "Music" section. That is SO cool, Hell! Thanks! Has anyone else noticed that Joni and Loretta Swit have a similar smile? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:13:24 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC Make that a "me too" for a 100% match with Kucinich! And then Sharpton, Kerry and Dean. I had a 5% match with Bush and I can't figure out what bit we agree on. Very interesting quiz indeed! Makes it obvious just how different the candidates' philosophies are. I've never understood people who vote for someone just because they "like the guy," as though "the guy" doesn't have a certain philosophy that is going to result in certain actions. Dubya got lots of votes from those "I like the guy" people (although Dubya was very good at hiding how radically conservative he is, and was and still is good at saying one thing, "I'll work with both sides of the aisle" for example, and then doing the complete opposite). And, yes, too, on electibility!!! I think Dean blew it with that over-the-top pep rally type "speech". It's unfortunate and completely unfair that an entire two or more year effort can be blown by one misjudgment, but even Dean-supporter me is looking at him with less enthusiasm now. And now that Kerry has stopped his sniping at Dean, he's looking better... it's a long time until November though. Debra Shea Deb Messling wrote: > > Thanks for the link! Kucinich was also my 100% match, followed by > Sharpton. Interestingly, Kerry came out ahead of Dean. Maybe it's time to > take the Dean sticker off my car. > > At 08:13 AM 1/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Interesting quiz matches your views with the candidates. > >I was surprised that my 100% match was Kucinich. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:17:42 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Presidential Match - NJC If I answer truthfully, I have the same results as my fellow bleeding hearts. After unelectable Kucinich and Sharpton, Kerry comes closest. But if I play the "opposites game," and answer contrary to my actual beliefs, I get: Bush: 100% Followed by Lieberman 43% Edwards 34% Clark 32% Dean 30% Kerry 26% Sharpton 16% Kucinich 8% Golly, I think the hell game had more surprises than this! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:24:56 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC Jerry wrote: > Interesting quiz matches your views with the candidates. > I was surprised that my 100% match was Kucinich. > > Click here: AOL Presidential Match Main > http://www.presidentmatch.com/Main.jsp2 Mine too, although I'm not planning to vote for Kucinich or Sharpton (my 2nd match). However, I've been contemplating switching my support from Dean to Kerry, and Kerry was my 3rd match. More contemplation in order. Lori, awaiting the NH primary results P.S. - Bush was my last match, with a "whopping" 6%. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:27:14 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: REPUBLICANS njc Paul Mepschen opined: > Buck (and son), It's clear you understand little about the economic policies > of the Left. Ummm...how you arrive at THAT conclusion is not quite clear to me, Paul. I post a joke (should I have put that word in parens, as one other reply suggested?) that I didn't write, but found amusing, and from that you surmise I understand little about the Left's policies? That's a BIG leap! Regarding your other points... I take issue with your observation that wealth is inherited. Tell that one to Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Larry Ellison, and the ghosts of Henry Ford, Andrew Carneigie, or Thomas Edison. While there IS a large amount of inherited wealth in this world, the economic policies of this country (the US) allow talented individuals to CREATE wealth through hard work and talent. A quick glance at the Forbes 500 list will show you there is a SUBSTANTIAL number of folks on that list that "made their own." "Work" is not merely physical, it is also intellectual. And smart people DO work hard! The wealthy create jobs as a DIRECT product of their business endeavors for your poor, drowntrodden and exploited underclass. It has been ever so. Your citation of Henry Ford's exploitative policies towards his work force belies the fact that he introduced the $5.00 a day wage in his factories in the early 1920s...a wage that was unheard of at the time, and resulted in Ford having to turn away job applicants. His wage policies garnered Ford the ire of his industrial contemporaries, but raised the standard of living for Ford's employees (and others, once other employers realized they had to compete with Ford for workers). Ford WAS eccentric and had some VERY questionable labor policies later in his life, but in the final accounting he did much more good than ill. To further illustrate the contrast in policies...take a look at the relative economic positions of the countries with socialist economic policies (e.g., France, the UK prior to the Thatcher revolution, Italy, Russia, etc.) vis-a-vis the United States. How do you explain THAT one? I get so very tired of the bankrupt "class warfare" arguments of the Left. If this is all the Left has to offer, they are doomed to be the perpetual runner-ups in politics. Rant on! Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:56:46 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Welcome Fellow Republicans njc that is a very simplistic & distorted view of the democrat party's viewpoint... kate, an independent Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide - --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:57:36 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Political Platform Match Which party's platform best matches your views? http://www.lp.org/issues/platform/compare/ I did the abbreviate (7 question, 10 min) comparison, and ended up with: "You preferred the ... ... Democratic stance for 2 issues." ... Green stance for 4 issues." ... Libertarian stance for 1 issue." ... Republican stance for 0 issues." Hmm ... perhaps I'm not the Libertarian I thought I was. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:07:39 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Welcome Fellow Republicans njc Randy offered: > So..the moral of the story is that the poor are lazy ne'er-do'wells > who want to ride on the backs of the wealthy, who earned their > money through sweat and toil.....? I guess that never occurred > to me, and I will be voting for Bush after all. > mystified as to why non millionaires think the GOP is working > for them > Uhhh...political correctness aside, there IS a grain of truth in this massive over-generalization, Randy. Over the course of 58 years and from a vantage point that has changed radically during those 58 years, I have known literally *thousands* (some well, some by association) of lazy ne'er do wells who complained long and hard about their position in life but would do NOTHING to better their position other than complain about perceived inequities. On the other hand, I have known many materially "successful" individuals who began with nothing other than desire and went on to better themselves, economically speaking. I am all about people accepting responsibility and DOING something to better themselves, I am less inclined to support large federal and state programs that reward people simply because they are "poor." Speaking as a non-millionaire, the GOP works for me. It's not perfect, but the Republican party is a better "fit" for me than the Democrats. You pays yore money and you takes yore choice. Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:10:42 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Welcome Fellow Republicans njc Kate stated: > that is a very simplistic & distorted view of the democrat party's > viewpoint... Simplistic, granted. Distorted? Not much. MOST humor is hyperbolic. bp...a Libertarian at the core, but a Republican in the Real World ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:14:16 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Pedal Steel (njc) Kenny B wrote: > Paul: I'm not certain but didn't Little Feat use pedal steel as lead > guitar on some of their songs? Of course, Sneaky Pete again - found this >Little Feat Down on the Farm Pedal Steel >Little Feat Sailin' Shoes Guitar (Steel), Pedal Steel >Little Feat Dixie Chicken Pedal Steel >Little Feat Little Feat Steel Pan, Pedal Steel he got around! And still does - http://www.sneakypetekleinow.com/ Turns out Robert Randolph and The Family Band played at The Borderline here in London a few days ago - and nobody told me! Just been watching their funky video at http://www.robertrandolph.net and read a review from the Boston Phoenix http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/other_stories/documents/03146775.asp >So why the hell is most roots-music guitar playing so predictable? >It's not as if every country, blues, and folk guitarist hadn't heard of >Jimi Hendrix, or for that matter Buddy Guy, Preston Reed, and >Junior Brown. Haven't enough F-to-E chord changes been >strummed to evoke the Southwest? Is the number of plain vanilla >pentatonic scales already aimed at the heart of the blues not yet >sufficient? Don't earnest coffeehouse singers ever pine for a >dissonant chord to punctuate a crackling turn in their lyrics? >Fortunately, there's a group of new roots-based guitar players >emerging to show how it can be done. Among them are Otis Taylor, >whose fusion of psychedelia, Appalachian music, and pure African >strings I've already chronicled plenty in these pages. There's also >slide player Derek Trucks and steel-guitarist Robert Randolph, two >of the youngest members of the inventive inner circle of roots guitar. >Both have exciting new albums that tap different sides of musicianship. > > >Now 25, Randolph emerged from a Pentecostal church in New Jersey >where a distinctive brand of steel-guitar-driven gospel music has been >a staple since the 1930s. It's there that he developed an uncanny ability >to bend notes rivaling that of most Western-world vocalists. >> >He's an astoundingly inventive, unpredictable player, as likely to weave >an elaborate melody as to spit out dots and dashes of sonic Morse code >connected only by the adrenalized support of his Family Band. very best PaulC (not so hot at spitting out dots) love the sound he gets. PaulC - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: 27 January 2004 03:49 Subject: Re: Pedal Steel (njc) > > << From: "Paul Castle" > Subject: Pedal Steel > > But I've never heard it used, as far as I can > remember, for a southern hard rock lead guitar > sound - until today - just heard this on a radio show > Robert Randolph & The Family Band - > > PaulC >> > > Paul: I'm not certain but didn't Little Feat use pedal steel as lead > guitar on some of their songs? And I KNOW Richard Torrance & Eureka (a band from > southern California) had Gary Rowles playing pedal steel guitar as lead on > some of THEIR songs, especially on the 1975 album, "Belle of the Ball." (Okay, so > I'm showing my age again...) They had at least two other similar, though not > as fabulous, albums during the '70's. > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:25:34 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Presidential Match - NJC i did this thing. 100% Kucinich, whoever he is. now how can i get a 38% bush at the same time???? i noticed that none of the candidates "strongly" oppose the gay marriage ban. i guess i won't be marrying bob murphy any time soon. wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:23:20 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: (NJC) Political Platform Match Lori pointed us to: > > http://www.lp.org/issues/platform/compare/ > and then said: > > I did the abbreviate (7 question, 10 min) comparison, and ended up with: > > "You preferred the ... > ... Democratic stance for 2 issues." > ... Green stance for 4 issues." > ... Libertarian stance for 1 issue." > ... Republican stance for 0 issues." > MOST interesting!! I think I'm gonna go back and take the long version. My results: You preferred the Democratic stance for 0 issues. You preferred the Green stance for 0 issues. You preferred the Libertarian stance for 3 issues. You preferred the Republican stance for 4 issues. Buck...who is apparently 4/7ths Republican ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:51:37 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: Presidential Match - NJC > 100% Kucinich, whoever he is. Kucinich bio here: http://www.kucinich.us/about.php > now how can i get a 38% bush at the same time???? One wonders! All this time I thought you were 100% gay! ; ) > i noticed that none of the candidates "strongly" oppose the gay > marriage ban. Of course not. They all need the gay/lesbian vote (even GW needs the "Log Cabin" vote). > i guess i won't be marrying bob murphy any time soon. Probably not, but I'll bet we could arrange a commitment ceremony at JoniFest! : D Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:57:29 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: Welcome Fellow Republicans I think that's an EXTEMLY,EXTREMLY EXTREMLY one sided,simplistic story that does no justice to ANY political party,much less the democratic party... >From: "Norman Pennington" >Reply-To: "Norman Pennington" >To: "_JMDL" >Subject: Welcome Fellow Republicans >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:39:44 -0700 > >My Navy son sent me this... > >Begin quote: > >A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many >others her age she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and was >for distribution of all wealth. She felt deeply ashamed that her father >was >a rather staunch Republican which she expressed openly. > >One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to >higher taxes on the rich & more welfare programs. In the middle of her >heartfelt diatribe based upon the lectures she had from her far left >professors at her school, he stopped her and asked her point blank, how she >was doing in school. > >She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that >it was tough to maintain. That she had to study all the time, never had >time >to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time >for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of >spending all her time studying. That she was taking a more difficult >curriculum. > >Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Mary?" > >She replied, "Mary is barely getting by", she continued, "all she has is >barely a 2.0 GPA" adding, "and all she takes are easy classes and she never >studies." But to explain further she continued emotionally, "But Mary is >so >very popular on campus, college for her is a blast, she goes to all the >parties all the time and very often doesn't even show up for classes >because >she is too hung over." > >Her father then asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office >and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to her friend who >only had a 2.0." He continued, "That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and >certainly that would be a fair equal distribution of GPA." > >The daughter visibly shocked by the fathers suggestion angrily fired back, >"That wouldn't be fair! I worked really hard for mine, I did without and >Mary has done little or nothing, she played while I worked real hard!" > >The father slowly smiled and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party." > >End quote _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:59:32 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC A frind of mine told me that Al Sharpton is being hired by the republicans to divide the black vote.I find that kind of hard to believe,but still,who knows? >From: dsk >Reply-To: dsk >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:13:24 -0500 > >Make that a "me too" for a 100% match with Kucinich! And then Sharpton, >Kerry and Dean. I had a 5% match with Bush and I can't figure out what >bit we agree on. > >Very interesting quiz indeed! Makes it obvious just how different the >candidates' philosophies are. I've never understood people who vote for >someone just because they "like the guy," as though "the guy" doesn't >have a certain philosophy that is going to result in certain actions. >Dubya got lots of votes from those "I like the guy" people (although >Dubya was very good at hiding how radically conservative he is, and was >and still is good at saying one thing, "I'll work with both sides of the >aisle" for example, and then doing the complete opposite). > >And, yes, too, on electibility!!! I think Dean blew it with that >over-the-top pep rally type "speech". It's unfortunate and completely >unfair that an entire two or more year effort can be blown by one >misjudgment, but even Dean-supporter me is looking at him with less >enthusiasm now. And now that Kerry has stopped his sniping at Dean, he's >looking better... it's a long time until November though. > >Debra Shea > > >Deb Messling wrote: > > > > Thanks for the link! Kucinich was also my 100% match, followed by > > Sharpton. Interestingly, Kerry came out ahead of Dean. Maybe it's time >to > > take the Dean sticker off my car. > > > > At 08:13 AM 1/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > >Interesting quiz matches your views with the candidates. > > >I was surprised that my 100% match was Kucinich. _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:59:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni's birthday How cool you found these photos Hell! Joni looks so fabulous & very happy! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:04:39 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Reminder: JMDL Poll still in progress You can access it here (requires sign in and/or registration): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piss-n-moan/polls Or, if you prefer not to sign in or register, you can view the poll at http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/JMDL-poll.doc and then send me your preferences via private email to JMDL-poll@lrfye.lunarpages.com Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:02:58 +0000 From: Garret Subject: music question NJC What is the musical highlight since 2000? Any takers? GARRET np- Joni, Be Cool - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:26:02 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: music question NJC Garret asked: > What is the musical highlight since 2000? > Any takers? > GARRET > For me: the re-emergence of Carlos Santana. I LOVE his collaborations with newer artists from diverse positions in the musical spectrum. The production and playing on "Supernatural" and "Shaman" are simply excellent! Best Regards, bp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:35:23 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: New Lyric NJC Ever Wonder )2004 by David Sadowski You can learn a lot by reading yesterdays news Too many people here have got the blues Three GIs killed in roadside attack Once youre gone theres no turning back The nights are hard and the days are long Ever get the feeling you dont belong Someday Ill know what Im all about Until then I guess Ill have my doubts Ever wonder what the worlds become I see your face and I just got to run Ever wonder whats become of me We live in a world of possibility Some possibilities, they could come true Just dont apply that thought to me and you Dont come looking for me after the show Im sure theres someplace else I need to go See you looking at me in the crowd Your face is red and you talk too loud After the show Im sneaking out the back Go home til my next heart attack Ever wonder what the worlds become I see your face and I just got to run Ever wonder whats become of you I guess youve got a lot of laundry to do Ever wonder whats become of me I moved to Paris where I live in a tree The Paris Hilton, thats the place for me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:44:47 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: music question NJC Subject: RE: Welcome Fellow Republicans njc Oh! So, it was a joke! As victor & jody the birthday girl would say Hahahahahahahahah... I was raised in a staunch republican family (including one state representive) & this administration is no longer my grandparents or parent's party... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:32:19 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: newbie - NJC hi >>>>>>john g wrote >>>>>and I like a guy named Mark Heard unfortunately he is no longer with us. cool!!! i had a couple of cassettes of him back in the early 80's = "eye of the storm" and "ashes & light" (gave them away in a moment of madness & regretted it ever since....) i absolutely loved them & got quite a few people into his music........................ so anyway - lately ive been planning to buy a couple of his cds again. pastemusic.com seems to have a large selection, and has a special on at the moment - 6 cassettes for 10 dollars - fingerprint, strong hand of love tribute, high noon, satellite sky, dry bones dance, & second hand. seems like a good deal!!!!! so thats a good start - but ive been looking for a bit of advice on which of his cds to get - so any advice for me???? as far as joni goes - if we both like mark heard we must have slightly similar tastes - and shadows and light is my all time favourite album ever - check it out!!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:06:18 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: unreleased Joni/ Elvis C. book on Amazon April 2004 Came across this on Amazon today: Elvis Costello, Joni Mitchell, and the Torch Song Tradition by Larry David Smith The torch song has long been a vehicle for expression-perhaps American song's most sheerly visceral one. Two artists in particular have built upon this tradition to express their own unique outlooks on their lives and the world around them. Joni Mitchell, Elvis Costello, and the Torch Song Tradition combines biographical material, artist commentary, critical interpretation, and selected exemplars of the writers' work to reveal the power of authorship and the creative drive necessary to negotiate an artistic vision in the complicated mechanisms of the commercial music industry. Author Larry David Smith, as in his Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, and American Song, considers the complicated intersection of biography, creative philosophy, artistic imperative, and stylistic tendencies in the work of both Joni Mitchell and Elvis Costello-two songwriters with seemingly nothing in common, yet, as Smith shows so incisively, two personalities that prove fascinatingly complementary. Both have made historic contributions to the singer-songwriter model, two rebellious responses to the creative and commercial compromises associated with their chosen field, and two distinct thematic responses to the torch song tradition. Smith examines these responses, offering a unique and invaluable exploration of the craft of two of the last century's most towering musical figures. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:38:18 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > ..after all, Bush in and of himself is a harmless puppet. It's the > folks holding his strings; the Cheneys, Wolfowitzes and Rumsfelds who are the real > agenda-makers and the problem, along with Corporate America and the lobbyists > who has them all in their backpockets. ...and along these lines, I heard Edwards on the radio saying that we need to get the lobbyists who have hijacked our democracy out of Washington. Right freakin' on!! He also said he doesn't accept money from them. I still don't know that much about him, but he is charming and good-looking, so maybe this guy is 'electable', as you say. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:52:18 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC Maybe true, but there's still ALL those senators & congressmen that are OWNED by the lobbyists, and whoever gets elected has to deal with Congress, right? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just sorta playing Devil's advocate. The problems in the system run much deeper & wider than simply who happens to be the President. After all, Jimmy Carter didn't have any lobbyists in his backpocket, and his presidency was a disaster from what I can recall. In short, it's just as important (if not more so) to drill down and see what your local representatives are up to. It's probably no good. Bob NP: Buddy Guy & Junior Wells, "Boogie Chillen" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:09:04 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC I like Edwards alot,abut I think many people will consider him too inexperianced to be president.(He's only been in the senate for a few years.)I think he has a good shot,however at being the nominee for vice president m: Randy Remote >Reply-To: Randy Remote >To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Presidential Match - NJC >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:38:18 -0800 > >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > ..after all, Bush in and of himself is a harmless puppet. It's the > > folks holding his strings; the Cheneys, Wolfowitzes and Rumsfelds who >are the real > > agenda-makers and the problem, along with Corporate America and the >lobbyists > > who has them all in their backpockets. > >...and along these lines, I heard Edwards on the radio saying that >we need to get the lobbyists who have hijacked our democracy out >of Washington. Right freakin' on!! He also said he doesn't accept >money from them. I still don't know that much about him, but he >is charming and good-looking, so maybe this guy is 'electable', >as you say. >RR _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:32:49 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: unreleased Joni/ Elvis C. book on Amazon April 2004 NJC Thanks for the heads up on that one Janine, I can't wait to read it. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm a HUGE fan of both of these writers...they should have thrown Springsteen & Waits in there too, then they would have had the AWESOME FOURSOME. April will also see Costello's new Mrs. (Diana Krall) put out her new one with a cover of Black Crow. Bob NP: Buddy Guy, "I Could Cry" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:32:07 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: I'm happy to be a Democrat(NJC) I was a little offended with that recent "Republican" post.I'm very happy and proud to be a liberal democrat,my views come from the heart.I think,feel,act and believe with my heart(Though I don't always suceed in letting in letting my heart lead me,I make the effort.)This is something that I'm proud of... _________________________________________________________________ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:10:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: waytoblu Subject: A little bizarre....Jethro Tull news...(njc) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow/447374.cms ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:15:26 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: Welcome Fellow Republicans njc Do you mean your grandparents and parents have switched parties, or that they've remained Repubs but the administration is something different from traditional Republicanism? My father-in-law has switched parties, god bless him! He is 83, a WW II vet, and he despises Bush for his economic policies and his lies about Iraq. At 10:49 AM 1/27/2004 -0800, you wrote: >Oh! So, it was a joke! As victor & jody the birthday girl would say >Hahahahahahahahah... > >I was raised in a staunch republican family (including one state >representive) & >this administration is no longer my grandparents or parent's party... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:19:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: music question NJC Garret asked: Anything set to music that does not involve the republican party, the democratic party, or anything related to the politics of any country but, most particularly, the politics of the USA. (Can't they just get their friggin' elections over in 6-8 weeks like normal people instead of dragging it out over a year?) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:45:08 -0500 From: vince Subject: Fred Holstein Joni Content vince wrote: >>>I was stunned today to learn that on 13 January Fred Holstein died. >>> Vince repeats Fred's post because Fred Holstein was a real part of my musical development, through him I met Ed Holstein, Bob Gibson, Steve Goodman, Bonnie Koloc all at the Earl - and Ebert describes something not just personal but what the semi underground counter culture of folk music was in Old Town, counter culture heaven, Earl of Old Town and 2nd City, across the street, marked the limits on the end of Old Town. And there we met Gilda Radner, John Belushi, Bill Murray, Dan Ackroyd, all when they were no one. The Ebert article that Fred Simon shares also recalls N Lincoln Avenue, home of Folk and Blues after Old Town went yup, and all the great memories there - this is the part of the Chicago that I treasured so much. I remember a friend Mark Liljedahl, a good friend I loved, graduated college together, worked in the Lincoln park music scene and was going to get a bar with a stage when he suddenly died in 1998 and I never got a chance to say good-bye -- Belushi, Radner, Steve Goodman, Mark Liljedahl, Fred Holstein, all dead and all too soon This gets Joni content in that in 97 or 98 was it she did the fundraising concert, for the Old Town School of Folk Music that was for the (an) heir of the Earl of Old Town, and Fred and Ed Holstein and Bonnie Koloc performed that night if I recall correct;y - all interconnected, it is one piece of cloth. And Joni did because she knew what this whole scene had meant/ So again, Fred Simon's post of what Roger Ebert said on this same thing, because something maybe so little known yet so very meaningful to a few of us... >Yeah, this was a big bummer for me, too. Plus, he was a fellow Fred. >Roger Ebert wrote a lovely remembrance; I've pasted it below. >-Fred >********************* >'He was the kind of guy who always had time to talk' >January 20, 2004 >BY ROGER EBERT >I can think of three times when I cried while listening to the radio. The first was when the death of John F. Kennedy was announced. The other two were during the WFMT "Midnight Special" tributes to Steve Goodman and, last Saturday night, Fred Holstein. I know myself well enough to know on those last two occasions I was moved not only by their loss, but by my own. > > >Old Town and Lincoln Avenue in the 1960s and 1970s were where Chicago went to be young, to drink and sing all night, to live forever. We were a shifting population of people who knew one another, sometimes well, sometimes barely, and saw one another night after night in the same places. For me the anchor was O'Rourke's Pub at 319 W. North, and no night was complete without touching base there. But many nights a crowd would gather and move down the street, maybe to the Old Town Ale House, maybe to the Quiet Knight, very often to the Earl of Old Town. Even later we might work our way up Lincoln to Sterch's or Orphan's or Oxford's. > > >The Earl, across the street from Second City, was the holy ground of the Chicago folk music renaissance, and there I heard for the first time Steve Goodman and Fred Holstein -- and Bonnie Koloc, Michael Smith, Jim Post, Bob Gibson, Ginny Clemons, and the remarkable string band Martin, Bogan and the Armstrongs. I was there after hours one night when Goodman sang a song he said he had just composed called "City of New Orleans," and John Prine was there, too. John was a mailman in Maywood when he started singing at the Fifth Peg, on Armitage, and I knew from the moment I heard him how good he was. I wasn't a music critic, but I wrote about him in the Sun-Times because after hearing him sing "Old Folks" and "Sam Stone," how could I not? > > >Fred and his brothers Ed and Alan were everywhere during those years -- Fred and Ed onstage, Alan working the room at the two clubs they co-owned, Somebody Else's Troubles and Holstein's. They had good taste and good friends, and on their stages I heard such wonders as Doc Watson and Queen Ida. Fred sometimes was the headliner, sometimes was the opening act, sometimes was on the road. The thing was, he loved to sing. Loved it. And his way with a song was like a lover's caress. > > >On "The Midnight Special," Rich Warren played Fred's arrangement of "Mr. Bojangles," and I felt as if nobody else had ever quite understood it. And his other signature songs: "The Streets of London" and "All the Good People." And "Hush, Little Baby, Don't You Cry." Who else could have sung that one in a saloon at midnight? Warren played the songs from a recording he made at the Earl on June 29, 1969, and you could hear the glasses clinking in the background and waitresses shouting orders to Jimmy the cook, and then Fred's voice would quiet the room, and you wouldn't hear a thing except the music. > > >Those were wonderful days to be young and alive and in Chicago. I didn't know Fred well, but let's say I knew him frequently. We both drank, but I drank more than he did, because he usually had to sing until 2 a.m. One Saturday afternoon I was doing my laundry at the launderette across from Fred's club, and while the clothes were in the dryer I went over there. The club was closed but Fred was inside, let me in, poured me a drink. I told him I was hung over, and we talked about drinking, which was a condition of life for the regulars on the Old Town and Lincoln Avenue circuit. What did we say? I don't know; maybe we were trying to figure out the secret. Our hero was Jay Kovar, who ran O'Rourke's and seemed to be able to drink all evening and be calm and wise and steady. What I remember from Fred was his sympathy. He was the kind of guy who always had time to talk, always had time to listen. So did Jay, for that matter. The Old Town and Lincoln Avenue scene wasn't exactly based on retail; it was more like a nightly reunion of friends > > >At the time of his death, Fred was bartending and singing at Sterch's, one of the surviving bars from the golden age. Last summer in Grant Park I ran into proprietor Bob Smerch and his famous grin and his young daughter, and we talked a little about the old days, but so much went unsaid. We knew. We had been there. Some lasted longer than others. I bailed out in 1979. If I hadn't, I'd be dead. But I won't say it wasn't a wonderful time > > >When Rich Warren played "All the Good People" Saturday night, the lyrics by Ken Hicks sounded more poignant to me than they ever had before. He closed with them, and so will I: >This is a song for all the good travelers >Who passed through my life as they moved along. >The ramblers, the thinkers, the just-one-more drinkers >Each took the time to sing me a song. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:02:41 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Welcome Fellow Republicans njc Hi deb... The answer is...both! Well my grandparents are no longer alive but my parents eventually left the party because their experience had changed them. But part of it was that the republican party has shifted too. My mom is no longer alive but voted democrat during her final years. My dad now describes himself as mostly libertarian but he cannot stand either of the bushes & voted against them. I have to give him credit, he has come a long way since the days we used to argue about nixon who I always felt was kind of creepy. My dad's argument back then was that we should not question the government for they knew things we did not & we should trust them! Those were the days when the argument they used as to something being factual was because 'it was in the papers'. Similar to the joke buck sent, I was the democrat/independent arguing with my staunch republican dad. But contrary to that joke, I became democrat/independent due to my own personal experience with republican values which I discovered were not ones I embraced. It was not due to any political brainwashing by my high school teachers or college professors. Deb >>Do you mean your grandparents and parents have switched parties, or that they've remained Repubs but the administration is something different from traditional Republicanism?... My father-in-law has switched parties, god bless him! He is 83, a WW II vet, and he despises Bush for his economic policies and his lies about Iraq.< ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #48 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)