From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #44 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 25 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 044 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Democratic candidate's favorite albums - NJC ["Dylan Rush" ] Captain Kangaroo. njc ["mackoliver" ] Tom Rush - Urge for Going ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Karaoke Joni [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: Wally's posts and AOL (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] On inventing chords - Amelia analysis [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Tedder)] What I do for a living etc njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Joni & Neil - a pop quiz [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] wyclef sean njc ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: Joni & Neil - a pop quiz ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Karaoke Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Giving Fred Simon his due, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Tom Rush - Urge for Going ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Karaoke Joni [Musicloverrick@aol.com] RE: Hell test (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Hell test (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] CBS refuses to air MoveOn.Org "Bush in 30 Seconds" Ad [NJC] ["Kate Bennet] I like Edwards! ["anon anon" ] Re: Joni & Neil - a pop quiz....some Joni Content [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Giving Fred Simon (& The Blue Man Group) his due, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.] Re: I like Edwards! njc. ["mackoliver" ] Re: I like Edwards! njc. ["anon anon" ] Re: Democratic candidate's favorite albums - NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: On inventing chords - Amelia analysis [Randy Remote ] Re: "Journey" ["anon anon" ] Re: Hell test (njc) [Michael Paz ] RE: Hell test (njc) ["Dylan Rush" ] Re: On inventing chords - Amelia analysis [Emiliano ] Re: "Journey" [Randy Remote ] Taming the Tyger ["mia ortlieb" ] the other side of cbs njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Today in History: January 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:46:13 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Re: Democratic candidate's favorite albums - NJC >Howard Dean: hip-hop singer Wyclef Jean His vocal stylings of late would suggest Be Faithful by Fatman Scoop... y'know, "IF YA GOT A TWENTY DOLLAR BILL, PUT YOUR HANDS UP! IF YA GOT A HUNDRED DOLLAR BILL, MAKE NOISE!" _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Premium transforms your e-mail with colours, photos and animated text. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:52:36 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: Re: Karaoke Joni >Wondering if any other Joni tunes have ever ended up on the >karaoke lists? And who may have sung them ?? I have seen a karaoke CD with Carole King and Joni songs on it... it had Help Me, Both Sides Now, Woodstock and Chelsea Morning. I think Raised on Robbery would be a great one to do at a karaoke bar! Ditto for Carey, Car On A Hill, and Wild Things Run Fast. _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:56:11 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Captain Kangaroo. njc Now, that is real sadness for me and the true 'end of the innocence.' All those mornings spent with him. mack p.s. I don't remember the theme song. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:00:17 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Tom Rush - Urge for Going Thanks for the Tom Rush thread - it led me to re-read this http://www.jonimitchell.com/TRush98.html by Wally Breese from "A Conversation with Tom Rush" March 7, 1998 with a Real audio extract of his version of 'Urge for Going'. http://www.tomrush.com/audio/urge.ram (which should fire up if you have a Real Audio player on your computer) - wish it was the whole song! I think it is interesting, reading this passage from the second part of Wally's interview, that in the record business, really, nothing seems to have changed much over the last 20 years or so - >"eventually I started getting curious because I was reading all about the terrible woes of the record industry, and Columbia, I think, had lost $53 million in 1980 when I went in for a talk with them because I had gotten intrigued as to where this audience had gone, because it was a huge audience. How come all of a sudden ... did their ears fall off, did they all die? It would have been in the papers. So where did they go? The upshot of it all was that they were still around and they are now once again buying records and going to concerts, but I had some pretty amusing conversations with record industry execs about this problem. There was one board meeting that I went to where the question of why the baby boomers were not buying records, had finally occurred to these executives. This is the biggest pile of money in the history of the world, the American Baby Boom, and the record industry let them walk out of the room without a fight. They somehow decided that 18-23 was their target market, and at that time that demographic was dwindling every year, and they let this huge audience get away from them simply by ignoring them, and this one executive stood up at this meeting and said "Maybe the reason they're not buying records is that we're not making records that they want to buy." And there was this long silence and the guy got embarrassed and sat down and the conversation went on to other things, but basically that is what happened. They stopped making records that the baby boomers wanted to buy." > Very best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:12:00 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Karaoke Joni Well, in The 2 Brewers in Clapham on Tuesday nights, it's Karaoke night and my flatmate Rachel and I often go down to sing and I'm often tempted to to attempt 'California' because it's on there on this guy's karaoke menu.... But I don't think my baritone would work, I'd probably have to do it entirely in falsetto!!! One day, maybe one day... If it were a less 'professional' crowd perhaps I would but I know that most of the customers in there on karaoke night are out of work musical theatre actors and do near-perfect renditions of their favourite Shania Twain or Brecht depending on what they were auditioning for... IT's a hard hard world on the London karaoke circuit.... Much Joni Jamie Zoob (who has finally found a house and is moving in mid Feb and typing this from work) --- michael o'malley wrote: > OK, its time to fess up, how many of you have ever > done a Joni tune in a > karaoke session in some smokey bar somewhere ? ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:35:33 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: How do you make a guitar? + 706 Union sound (NJC) From Nick Spitzer's American Routes this week - - listen @ http://www.americanroutes.org/ [in an interview with luthier Wayne Henderson] NS: How do you go about making a guitar, from scratch WH: "Well, you have to get you some nice wood - a really good sharp carving knife - and you cut off everything that does not look like a guitar." - - an interview with Sam Phillips about the sound at 706 Union Sam Phillips - "...Sound, to me, is far and away superior to anything you see with the eyes - I see with my ears." "...The word got around that 'you mean there is somebody that won't rip us off and they will record a black man?" re: the first real big one was Rocket 88 "...because of an accident we stuffed a guitar amp with brown wrapping paper and between the sound of the busted woofer and those saxophones, it gave us a sound that was 'really' raw and different." "F-double-E-L - and I spell that thing on every interview I've ever had." "People had to enjoy what they were doing , and I let 'em know that if they really didn't mess up some, that probably they weren't doing their best." Re: Mystery Train "Little Junior Parker was one of the most talented people ever." Re: To Elvis, and everyone I ever worked with - "Don't - you - try - to - please - me. You can not do it right if you don't do it wrong." re: Brown Eyed Handsome Man December '56 Elvis, Jerry Lee, Carl Perkins, and Johnny Cash all together in your studio at the same time NS: "How did you have the presence of mind socially just to roll tape and make something happen?" SP: "....Just go in there and turn the damn tape on, you know - and get it off mic - anyway you want to - but this will never happen again, probably - and it never did." Very best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:58:16 +0100 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: What we do for a living NJC For the last 6/7 years in Madrid I've been running a theatre company. We do plays in English for kids/students from 5 to 18 years studying that language in Spain. Well, its compulsory in schools, so there is a lot of interest, I write the plays and sometimes act in them, when someone is sick, which unfortunately was the case just before Xmas. We perform 3 different plays every academic year for different levels and age groups. We've got a web page: www.lingua-arts.com. We always tend to do some sort of adaptation of a Shakespeare play (I adore Shakespeare). This year is A Midsummer Night's Dream. What I love about it is the kid's participation and involvement in the plays, especially the little kids. When they like something, they really let you know about and, of course, the opposite is true, unlike adults, who tend not to tell you to your face what they think if they don't like what you do! We sell the plays to English departments in state and private schools mainly in and around Madrid, but we work in Barcelona (where I have met Mike) and down south in Murcia. Before that I have been a teacher of French in England then switched to teaching English to foreigners, in Barcelona and Italy. Then got burned as a teacher, went into radio (the Spanish equivalent of the BBC World Service) for 6 years,. I had always had an interest in drama and studied acting here in Madrid many years ago. One thing led to another and I finally set up my own company. It's exhausting, but very satisfying. My hobby is, of course, drama, so I get to a shot of it almost everyday. I feel very lucky. cheers to all Gill (in Madrid) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:25:48 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally's posts and AOL (NJC) In a message dated 24/01/2004 03:52:38 GMT Standard Time, AsharaJM@aol.com writes: > Are, now, other AmericaOnLine users (Bob M, Bob S, Ashara, Michael, Jimmy, > Azeem, Laura, David, etc) receiving wally's post directly? If so, let me > know it, please No, I don't get Wally's posts directly, except if he emails me directly. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:18 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Tedder) Subject: On inventing chords - Amelia analysis I have been fascinated by this thread and very much appreciate Jenny and Marian and Les (and whoever else I might have missed) looking in such depth at what is going on musically in this song. Sadly, I have studied music theory at a very low level and never got my head round it very well so only relate to the feel of things. What I've notice when I try to sing Amelia in the car is how hard it is to sing the last two of each verse without a guitar! I was with some friends and they were quite startled by my rendition o what they said was 'a dirge,' I guess that says a lot about my singing :~) However, I also wonder if that's because (as you guys were saying) is that Amelia doesn't settle in any one key making it very hard to do a sing-a-long version of it unaccompanied! Amelia as always been a big fave of mine - but I was never taken with the Tlog version (and I love that album). I suppose this always comes back to that indefinable aspect of music that I/we call 'feel'. In the Tlog version, the orchestra sits beautifully and sweetly - yet in Joni's original versions, that bleak, lonely propeller engine chord that (for me)rumbles under 'And looking down on EVERYONE' or 'then your life becomes a TRAVELOGUE' on the guitar just doesn't cut it at all for me on Tlog. In fact, the Tlog Amelia sounds so sweet to my ears it simply doesn't work. I wonder if that is because it is so 'filled in' with the 'correct' chords? There is something about the space between sounds as well as the actual sounds themselves that creates the mood of the song. I think I am trying to describe things that are very hard without having the music theory language - but I am asking those with music theory if that might be so? Is there any language for that? Very much appreciate your input if you have time. Thanks Anita ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:00:10 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: What I do for a living etc njc I am a counsellor/psychotherapist, which I've been doing for about four years. I work part-time at the College of Law, in Central London, and have a small private practice, which I'm very keen to grow a bit, on account of being pretty much on my uppers right now. I've also worked on a teenage pregnancy project called Teens & Toddlers, which was started by Laura Huxley (widow of Aldous, still going strong in her 90s) in Los Angeles, so it's possible LA-ers might know of it. I was involved in the pilot project here, and worked on subsequent projects, although I'm taking a break from it at the moment. Oh, and I also have a part-time evening job as receptionist at a swanky private psychiatric clinic. All these jobs, and I can still barely make a living! Still, that's not why I went into it. It's a uniquely challenging and - at times - uniquely rewarding occupation. Before all that, I was training manager at a large law firm in the City of London, quite a well-paid job, but one which was the opposite of life-affirming. My last day there was a happy one indeed... Hobbies? Well, music, of course. Have been an avid follower, fan and collector for twenty years or so, and a fan of Joni since I discovered Hejira in 1985, my first year at Uni. I used to do student radio (did my bit to plug Joni's music there...) and was the singer in a campus band for a couple of years (live compilation, "No Great Sheiks: The early years", widely unavailable); we didn't do any Joni covers, although Tom, the bass player, was also a Joni fan, and ripped off the bass line from Furry Sings The Blues for one of our songs. We did cover Sunny Afternoon, Hold Back The Night, You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, Under My Thumb [I didn't realise quite what a misogynist song it was at the time], Another Nail In My Heart [the Squeeze song]. I'm a big cinema fan too. I used to see 50-60 films a year (I mean *properly* see them, in the cinema :-) and though I've had to cut down I still see as many of the good ones as I can. I've contributed a few reviews to the Internet Movie Database, a few music reviews to the Kashmir Klub, a couple of short stories to an on-line database, and recently wrote a short novel, so I guess I would have to say writing is a hobby too. So that's me really. Azeem in London NP: David Bowie - Song For Bob Dylan [I've reached Hunky Dory on my journey through the Dame's back catalogue] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:03:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Neil - a pop quiz Thanks to all who submitted entries in my pop quiz! That was fun and I'll see if I can think up some more. I did get three winners, and they are: Emiliano Monica Victor Here's my answer key: 1. Neil Young backs Joni on what OFFICIALLY released recording? Neil plays harmonica on Hejira's "Furry Sings The Blues" 2. Joni backs Neil on what OFFICIALLY released recording? Joni sings backup to "Helpless" on The Last Waltz 3. Neil wrote a song about Joni - what's its title? Sweet Joni 4. Joni has sung (but not released) a Neil song - what's its title? Sugar Mountain 5. What Joni song is an answer to a Neil song? "The Circle Game", which as Richard Flynn pointed out is an answer to the above-referenced Sugar Mountain 6. Which of these artists has NOT covered both a Joni and a Neil song: a. Tori Amos "A Case Of You" & "Heart Of Gold" b. Claudine Longet "Both Sides Now" & "Birds" c. Annie Lennox "Ladies Of The Canyon" & "Don't Let It Bring You Down" d. Sarah McLachlan "Blue", but has never recorded/released a Neil cover e. Indigo Girls "River" & coincidentally "Down By The River", both from 1200 Curfews So, I was looking for "d", Sarah McLachlan as a correct answer, but because Victor turned the internet inside out finding a live Neil cover by her I gave him credit. Thanks again to all who participated. Bob NP: Sun Kil Moon, "Salvador Sanchez" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:14:50 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: wyclef sean njc Not a Dean fan, or a rap/hiphop enthousiast, but here's some info on Wyclef Sean....he's actually quite interesting. Many of my friends are into hiphop and r&b a lot and some love Joni and all kind of hiphoppers equally. I wonder what Joni herself thinks........there is some real quality out there, but also an enormous amount of commercialization. Many hiphop songwriters confess to Joni as one of their major influences.... there's more to Joni Mitchell than blond girl with a guitar... Anyway, here's the info: Wyclef's production and songwriting credits during this period included work for Canibus, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Mick Jagger, Santana, Simply Red, and Siniad O'Connor. In October 1999, he teamed up with U2's Bono to record "New Day", the official song for the Net Aid charity concert. His second solo album, The Ecleftic: 2 Sides II A Book, was a sprawling mess only partially redeemed by stand-out tracks such as "911", "It Doesn't Matter", and the UK hit "Perfect Gentleman". The record was another transatlantic success, nevertheless, and in its wake the singer launched his own record label, Clef Records. He attempted to toughen up his image on the sporadically entertaining Masquerade, although he still found room for guest artists Tom Jones and Israeli violinist Miri Ben-Ari. The following year Wyclef signed a new recording contract with J Records, making his debut for the label in November with The Preacher's Son. Paul of the Netherlands - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The streetlight's still burning; She always misses. But the day she hits, That's the day she'll leave. That one little victory, that's all she needs! Joni Mitchell: Sunny Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:21:22 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni & Neil - a pop quiz > e. Indigo Girls > "River" & coincidentally "Down By The River", both from 1200 Curfews and just for the record, "Rockin' in the Free World" which was released as part of a 4 song promo. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:36:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Karaoke Joni **OK, its time to fess up, how many of you have ever done a Joni tune in a karaoke session in some smokey bar somewhere ? Well, it wasn't a smoky bar...the last time I did Karaoke was at work, after hours, we were having a project milestone celebration and my co-workers gave me the urge for going to sing. As fate would have it, the date was 11/7 - that's right, Siquomb's b-day, and I came real close to singing BYT which was on the song list but since it can be a bitch to sing if it's not in the right key I opted for Tommy Tutone's "867-5309" instead, which I of course nailed. ;~) I have since acquired via ebay a Joni karaoke tape called "You Sing The Hits of Joni Mitchell" with 5 songs on it. Maybe I can get it to Jonifest and it can be used for some singalongs or something. Bob NP: The Hang Ups, "Little Blue" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:06:30 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Giving Fred Simon his due, njc One of my co-workers has been recommending The Blue Man Group to me ever since she found out I love music. Several times she asked me if I had bought one of their CDs. I kept making excuses until one day, she asked me flat out, "*Why* don't you buy their CD?" My directness gets me into as much trouble at work as it does here on the JMDL. I said, "Angie, they're a video act. It's fun to watch them on the Tonight Show, but what I love is "old school" singer-songwriters. I love well-told stories. The Blue Man Group is more like a circus act." Needless to say, she stopped short. Two weeks ago, she was curious about a pianist called "Jim Brinkman". I did some research and found out that she meant a Windham Hill artist, "Jim Brickman". I went back and said, 'I think it's great that you're branching out. I love piano too. One of my internet buddies, Fred Simon, has played piano on tons of albums. Here's a collection of piano tracks called "Songs Of My Youth, vol. 1". Try it out.' She loves it but she didn't say when she'll be returning it. :) All the best, Jim np: James Taylor's "(LIVE)". They really got the sound right. There are 2 editions of this. One is a single-cd for "non majors" called something like 'greatest hits live'. I liked it so much I sold it and bought the 2-cd version. The title begins and ends with parentheses and is shown in all caps: "(LIVE)". For people who have nothing from this artist, either would be a fine introduction. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:28:05 EST From: Musicloverrick@aol.com Subject: Re: Karaoke Joni Hey guys if you all are really into karaoke and do it on a regular basis, take a Joni CD with you that you already own and see if they can zap the lyrics off of it...Some karaoke machines are set up to do this...actually lots of them are....and they have a mixed success rate...Sometimes they completely zap them off so you can sing over the actual music...and at other times it sounds like you are singing with the artist backing you up...So try that if you wanna sing something of Joni's that isn't available on a standard karaoke tape or CD....Rick [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Shania Twain 1 .gif] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:31:16 EST From: Musicloverrick@aol.com Subject: Re: Karaoke Joni Well if I could find "California" on a karaoke CD I would DIE to sing it! You should try it at home first and see what you sound like...get someone to give you an honest opinion and be objective about it, and then go from there. That way if you are embarrassed of messing up you won't. Rick [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Shania Twain 1 .gif] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:34:46 EST From: Musicloverrick@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Neil - a pop quiz....some Joni Content Well on a personal note if there were to be anyone to cover a Joni song, I think Sarah Mclaughlin would be GREAT for the job because in my opniion she has the perfect voice to do so.....WOULD LOVE to hear her do something from Joni's early days, maybe from "Blue", "For The Roses," or "Court And Spark." Anyone else have an opinion? Rick [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Shania Twain 1 .gif] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:34:23 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Karaoke Joni All I've seen in the Milwaukee area is "Help Me" on Karaoke. And there is NO WAY I'm even going to try to attempt that one.....but then again, there's no telling what I'll do with a few shots of tequilla in my belly :) I've also seen "Big Yellow Taxi" on this lists. But it was never the Joni version. I think it may have been the Counting Crows version, and it never sounded very good on karaoke. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:40:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Tom Rush - Urge for Going LOL...tom is so smart & so funny... >I had gotten intrigued as to where this audience had gone, because it was a huge audience. How come all of a sudden ... did their ears fall off, did they all die? It would have been in the papers.< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:39:47 EST From: Musicloverrick@aol.com Subject: Re: Karaoke Joni Well the only version of "Big Yellow Taxi" I've seen on karaoke is the Amy Grant version, and I do quite well with that one when I sing...I think the Counting Crows butchered the hell out that song...I was MAD...LOL Rick NP....Mary J. Blige, "Beautiful Ones." [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Shania Twain 1 .gif] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:07:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Hell test (njc) Anne >So, um, really - 4?< Dylan >Yes, 4, 'cause I'm only thirteen< Folks we need to behave ourselves! LOL... & Dylan... DON'T DO DRUGS! (have you seen that movie?)... I do mean it though... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:07:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Hell test (njc) Anne >So, um, really - 4?< Dylan >Yes, 4, 'cause I'm only thirteen< Folks we need to behave ourselves! LOL... & Dylan... DON'T DO DRUGS! (have you seen that movie?)... I do mean it though... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:18:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: CBS refuses to air MoveOn.Org "Bush in 30 Seconds" Ad [NJC] I did see it (twice) during larry king following the state of the union address...it was cool to see it on the big screen...its a tasteful ad...subtly powerful...i was doing something & heard the music which pulled me in (I thought hmmm that guitar playing sounds familiar!) then noticed it was the moveon ad... It is hard to believe cbs considers this ad controversial... Give me pbs & hbo any day... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:26:11 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: I like Edwards! I really like John Edwards.I think he's make a great president.I just hope he's not considered too inexperianced to defeat that dispicable moron we have now,GW Bush... _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:57:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Neil - a pop quiz....some Joni Content **WOULD LOVE to hear her do something from Joni's early days, maybe from "Blue", ** Sarah has recorded the title track from "Blue", Rick...it IS a beauty and pretty easy to find. Plus she did a group singalong of BYT in a Lilith Fair appearance, that's a little rough around the edges though. Bob NP: Kathleen Edwards, "Sweet Little Duck" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:59:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Giving Fred Simon (& The Blue Man Group) his due, njc **The Blue Man Group is more like a circus act. I don't completely agree with that - I've got both CD's, and while their live show is something to behold, I wouldn't have gone if I didn't think the music stood up OK on its own, which it does for me. Your mileage, however, may vary. ;~) Bob NP: Counting Crows, "Friend Of The Devil" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:59:32 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: I like Edwards! njc. I like him as well and he is my pick right now. Don't think he has much of a chance. It looks as if the kennedy clone kerrey is moving well. I don't care for him. Lieberman I loathe but I suppose anything, even a farm animal, would beat what we have now. Their musical choices were surprising but none impressed me. Cynical I be but getting even more jaded about the political process in this country. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:20:40 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: I like Edwards! njc. >From: "mackoliver" >Reply-To: "mackoliver" >To: "joni" >Subject: Re: I like Edwards! njc. >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:59:32 -0600 > but I suppose anything, even a farm >animal, would beat what we have now. >mack I agree with you there...Just about ANONE(or anything)would be better then that loathsome worm we have now in the White House... _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software  optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:20:10 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Democratic candidate's favorite albums - NJC > > Wesley Clark: Journey's "Greatest Hits" that's it. disqualified ! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:40:46 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: "Journey" I agree absolutly that Wesley Clark loving Journey is a great reason to disqualify him as a candidate,but what really suprised me,while reading the "Joni Mitchell Companion" is that Joni is at least somewhat of a fan.To me,the music is just hideous,though it does bring back some nice times... _________________________________________________________________ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:43:47 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: On inventing chords - Amelia analysis Anita Tedder wrote: > In the Tlog > version, the orchestra sits beautifully and sweetly - yet in Joni's > original versions, that bleak, lonely propeller engine chord that (for > me)rumbles under > > 'And looking down on EVERYONE' > or > 'then your life becomes a TRAVELOGUE' > > on the guitar just doesn't cut it at all for me on Tlog. In fact, the Tlog > Amelia sounds so sweet to my ears it simply doesn't work. I wonder if that > is because it is so 'filled in' with the 'correct' chords? There is > something about the space between sounds as well as the actual sounds > themselves that creates the mood of the song. I think I am trying to > describe things that are very hard without having the music theory > language - I think you are describing two things- the first being the arrangement; which instruments play, what they play, and when (and even how). The Hejira version could be described as having a sparse arrangement, few instruments, lots of spaces. The other is the overall sound, including the timbre of the individual voice(s) and instruments, how they sound together, how they are mixed in the recording (out front? In the background?), the electronic effects (electric guitar with phaser? Delay?), the sound of the ambient space (the room it was recorded in or added electronic reverb) and other miscellanious things like what microphone was used, how it was positioned, the preamp it went through.... RR ps..then there is the sound of the medium itself...warm scratchy LP? hissy cassette? brittle CD? So I guess you are describing more than two things.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:47:30 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Journey" Okay, I can accept Joni liking Journey, I guess...but she has being Joni going for her, he does not! anon anon wrote: > I agree absolutly that Wesley Clark loving Journey is a great reason to > disqualify him as a candidate,but what really suprised me,while reading the > "Joni Mitchell Companion" is that Joni is at least somewhat of a fan.To > me,the music is just hideous,though it does bring back some nice times... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:12:46 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: "Journey" What REALLY should be the question put to them regarding whether or not they should be president is:"Do you think Joni Mitchell is the greatest singer on this planet?" If they say no,not only should they not be president,impeachment proceedings should immediatly begin in their home state... : Randy Remote >Reply-To: Randy Remote >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: "Journey" >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:47:30 -0800 > >Okay, I can accept Joni liking Journey, I guess...but she has >being Joni going for her, he does not! > >anon anon wrote: > > > I agree absolutly that Wesley Clark loving Journey is a great reason >to > > disqualify him as a candidate,but what really suprised me,while reading >the > > "Joni Mitchell Companion" is that Joni is at least somewhat of a fan.To > > me,the music is just hideous,though it does bring back some nice >times... _________________________________________________________________ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:21:05 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hell test (njc) I wanna know HOW am I going straight to hell and I have neveer had my eyeballs licked (or licked someone elses)???? Paz > Suze wrote: > >> My score? A whopping 127, most of which were accrued at >> JoniFests around the world ;-) > > Then Kakki admitted: > >> I scored a dull "normal" 67 but must admit some of those points were >> accrued at Jonifests, too. LOL > > > Now me: > > I had no idea there was so much eyeball-licking going on at JoniFest! > > Lori, > who thinks she must have missed > *something* during the last 3 Fests > (and who, btw, scored a 145) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:49:58 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: RE: Hell test (njc) >Wow! That is SO cool! It never occurred to me that you >might be a teenager. Good to have you here! Thank you! It never occured to me that you might be an adult. ;-) Yeah, I got into Joni after studying Big Yellow Taxi in class at age 7 - I loved the song, so I browsed through her stuff at a record store, came across "Misses" and remember having the vague thought "woah, i've hit on something interesting here - this is over my head now but it'll mean a lot to me someday". Never listened to her again until I picked up a battered old cassette of Mingus from my library. It blew me away and I gradually bought up her entire back catalogue on vinyl. >Gotta agree with you there, Dylan! About the anyboy >would be better than Bush (except some others in his >administration...). And as far as being Australian, I'd >never say that and "unfortunately" in the same >sentence. My boyfriend and I are planning a trip to >Australia in a couple of years. I'm REALLY looking >forward to it. My sister's going this year and my >closest cousin just returned after living there for 5 >years. It sounds wonderful! Oh you'll love it. The weather is great, the people are friendly, we have some of the world's most beautiful sights in Sydney. I consider myself priviliged to have grown up here. If you can, come in time for Australia Day, January 26 - everyone is particularly friendly to everyone that day, there's all sorts of things on, and the weather is always perfect. Really, the only problem with the place is that's it's such a long way from civilization! lots of love and Joni, Dylan >lots of Joni, >Anne > > > > >lots of love > > >Anne > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here > > http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Premium transforms your e-mail with colours, photos and animated text. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:02:50 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: On inventing chords - Amelia analysis >[...] >. In fact, the Tlog > Amelia sounds so sweet to my ears it simply doesn't work. I wonder if that > is because it is so 'filled in' with the 'correct' chords? There is > something about the space between sounds as well as the actual sounds > themselves that creates the mood of the song. I think I am trying to > describe things that are very hard without having the music theory > language - but I am asking those with music theory if that might be so? Is > there any language for that? Very much appreciate your input if you have > time. > Thanks > Anita Hi, Anita! Very well said! I'm way much more musical theory challenged than you, and probably you've heard me repeating this over'n over again, but surely the T'Log version doesn't work for me (at least at the supreme level from Hejira): the problem may be, as I understand from your post, the excessive "filling" against the sparse (as Randy says): Amelia is the Real Number One, the jewel in the crown of intimate songwriters' music it's absolute hypnotic... but I guess the strings don't work, at least for me. I confess I cried of joy when I first heard the opening winds in Travelogue version, but your ferrolano is somewhat handicapped to enjoy very much songs with orchestra, and the actual harp and terrible drum playing in it... well, I like Travelogue, I'm glad Joni did it her way, but nothing will prevent me to play it one single time comparing to one thousand HEJIRAs! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Love ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:19:01 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Wally's posts and AOL (NJC) Hi, Michael, Kenny, Azaam, Ashara! Well, the Wally posts' mystery is growing (as in a Mother Lode)! I'll guess I'll have to write on subject: (for aol - pc users) Well... Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Michael Paz" Para: "Emiliano" Enviado: sabado, 24 de enero de 2004 23:14 Asunto: Re: Wally's posts and AOL (NJC) > I have been receiving them with no problem. > > Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:38:28 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Journey" anon anon wrote: > What REALLY should be the question put to them regarding whether or > not they should be president is:"Do you think Joni Mitchell is the greatest > singer on this planet?" If they say no,not only should they not be > president,impeachment proceedings should immediatly begin in their home > state... Finally! Someone willing to address ISSUES! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:31:32 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Taming the Tyger This may have been mentioned previously in the land of Joni talk, as I'm always behind the times. But I was reading some poetry by William Blake (poet of the romantic period) for school and came across this poem: The Tyger Tyger! Tyger! burning bright In the forests of the night, What immortal hand or eye Could frame thy fearful symmetry? In what distant deeps or skies Burnt the fire of thine eyes? On what wings dare he aspire? What the hand dare seize the fire? And what shoulder, and what art, Could twist the sinews of thy heart? And when that heart began to beat, What dread hand? and what dread feet? What the hammer? what the chain? In what furnace was thy brain? What the anvil? what dread grasp Dare its deadly terrors clasp? When the stars threw down their spears, And watered heaven with their tears, Did he smile his work to see? Did he who made the Lamb make thee? Tyger! Tyger! burning bright In the forests of the night, What immortal hand or eye Dare frame thy fearful symmetry? -- William Blake Has it been discussed before why Joni might have used references from this poem for her "Taming the Tiger?" It seems to me that Blake's poem is portraying the Tiger in a negative light, and perhaps Joni is countering that image by portraying the Tiger in a positive light. I like the way Joni has turned around the line about the stars throwing/chucking down their spears, and instead of the stars watering heaven with their tears, Joni thinks of her beloved friend Anna (who as I understand died in a plane accident?) as fireworks in the sky. Much more positive imagery than a crying heaven imo. Any one care to comment on the juxtaposition of the two works? Mia _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:15:10 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: the other side of cbs njc 60 Minutes to air "Doing Business With the Enemy" 60 Minutes will run a piece this Sunday evening (7pm EST - check local listings) about Halliburton's business deals in Iran, cleverly circumventing the Iran-Libya sanctions Act, which Vice President Dick Cheney lobbied to repeal while he was Halliburton's CEO. The company also did business with Libya. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/22/60minutes/main595214.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:07:23 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 25 1976: Joni performed at the Houston Astrodome in Houston, Texas at the 'Night Of the HURRICANE 2' - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #44 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)