From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #41 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 23 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 041 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Tom Rush ["Robert Argento" ] Hell test...a Conspiracy? (njc) ["Norman Pennington" ] NP comment NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Fred Simon and his artful tunes ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: Fred Simon and his artful tunes (NJC) ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] RE: What do we all do for a living (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: What do we all do for a living (NJC) ["patrick leader" ] Re: Hell test (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: ZPG (njc) [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: A Wad of Kids (NJC) ["Evan and Vanessa Thomson" ] Re: Hell test (njc) ["ron" ] Re: Hell test (njc) ["mackoliver" ] Re: Hot topic of the day NJC (& PC) (&RC!) [Randy Remote Subject: RE: Tom Rush Back in 1963-65, Tom Rush was often in Miami playing at the coffee houses. As I may have mentioned earlier, there were many artists that bounced up and down the East coast, yo-yoing it between Boston and Miami. In Miami Tom played mostly at a place called "The Flick". His appearances there certainly expanded MY interest in folk music. (Dylan hadn't broken down the barriers yet so Folk was just about it). And while Tom didn't CALL it "Country", there certainly was a lot of that in his music too - so HE was breaking down barriers in his way, too. Tom Rush has always been one of my favorites. At that time I had no idea that he would be one of the more influential people in the development of American music. Joni was just one of many of the artists he helped out. I thought he was SO much older that I was then. But I guess three years difference WAS a lot then. I don't know how he started as an artist. I believe he was still studying at Harvard when I first saw him. Perhaps he started playing in Cambridge for a few dollars and the fun of it, as many of us old "folkies" used to do. I am sorry I missed his last appearance here in this part of Florida - I was away at the time. Uh-oh! Getting nostalgic! As some British musicians said some years later - - Another year older and another year slower. Robban > -----Original Message----- > From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Sent: den 22 januari 2004 15:41 > To: Jerry Notaro; Joni List > Subject: Re: Tom Rush > > Joni Mitchell. > > > And an unknown James Taylor, and an unknown Jackson Browne... > Tom had a darn good ear! > > Of course, besides "Urge For Going" he also did "Tin Angel" > & "The Circle Game" which he chose as the name of the LP. > > Enjoy the gig Jerry...I'm planning on seeing RLJ on the 30th. > > Bob > > NP: Steve Goldberger & The Fringe Locals, "Weekends With The > Local Fringe" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:21:44 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Hell test...a Conspiracy? (njc) Ya know, it occurred to me...what if this isn't a simple lil divertisement? What if the Hell Test is an AI-driven front end for that monster database maintained by the CIA/FBI/DEA/TSA...you know, the one that has our IP addresses correlated to our names, credit card numbers, blood type, finger prints, retina scans, chromosome map, and other personal data? Just think, even as I write, Ashcroft/Rumsfeld/Ridge's minions could be saying "Ah-HA! These guys did/sold drugs, were arrested, thrown out of bars, had sex with the same sex, and probably licked EYEBALLS, even though they said they *didn't*!" while drafting bench warrants to be approved by a right-wing judge in Fairfax, VA! It's only a matter of time before agents from the aforementioned CIA/FBI/DEA/TSA and/or the National Guard, Coast Guard, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, Sherriff's Dept, or the County Mounties descend on us and cart us away to be held WITHOUT CHARGES in some secret camp near Bozeman, Montana! We might even have to face a Military Tribunal, fer Gawd's Sake (depending on our offenses, of course). And don't think you're safe if you live outside the USA...we share intelligence now, and Bush has gone on the record as "You're either fur us, or agin us!" OhMiGawd...we're doomed...DOOMED, I say! Buck, wondering even now what he'll look like in an International Orange jump suit.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:28:07 +1100 From: "Dylan Rush" Subject: RE: Hell test I got a 4. Wow. That's gotta be a record. _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:46:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NP comment NJC GARRET>np- some guy called Jack Johnson< He is big in these parts...& a part time local guy too... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:46:43 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: Fred Simon and his artful tunes Fred Simon was kind enough to provide me with a copy of this cd and it is outstanding. He puts his own interpretation on some Joni classics and some other marvelous tunes. He was also generous enough to provide his cd for last year's Jonifest raffle. This naturally leads me to my pitch - if you have something to donate that you know a JMDLer would enjoy receiving please, please declare your intentions now, or if you cannot yet figure out what that might be, please start thinking. Last year we were able to raise just over $900 for the web site and Alex and I would love to top that. We can do it, but only with your help and good-natured participation. All the best, Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Notaro [mailto:notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:04 AM To: mike pritchard; Joni List; jerry notaro Cc: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: Re: why would someone be cutting at a party? > np - Fred Simon - Michael from Mountains > > Mike, > > How wonderful to see Fred9s name here. For those who are new, Fred, who lives > in Chicago, is, along with David Lahm and Roberto Holliston, one of our > 3Premier Pianists2 on the list. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:57:53 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Hell test (njc) A healthy 133 enjoying life to the max... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:15:12 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: Fred Simon and his artful tunes (NJC) I am coming out of the woodwork to say that yes, Fred Simon is a great pianist and an erudite JMDL lister as well. Long before I realized that Windham Hill is a label (just kidding) I was already listening to Fred's "Usually/Always" album -- imagine my surprise when I found out he subscribed to the list as well. Although I have yet to own the other CDs of Fred, I always make it a point to introduce Fred's music in whatever capacity to people. When I was still teaching in the Philippines, one of my colleagues got the permission and rights to direct Eve Ensler's "Vagina Monologues" in Tagalog. Doing that play in a predominantly Catholic country was not as hard as you might expect, but I remembered manning the control booths for three of the three evenings the play was on and I played all of the tracks in Fred's "Usually/Always" album when the audience were being seated. Many of them managed to find their way to where I was and asked who is playing and what album. Of course, at that time I don't know how to direct them towards acquiring the CDs but I remembered saying that they check out amazon.com. Fred will always be up there for me in pianism. Oh and by the way, the other pianists who I prefer more than others include: Bill Evans, Jim Chappell, Ahmad Jamal, Alain Planes, Glenn Gould (but only for "Goldberg Variations" -- I don't much care for his other forays), Tim Story and Cecile Licad. Joseph in Chapel Hill (who still cannot perfect the art and science of skimming voluminous readings and getting to their essence) Quoting Maggie McNally : > Fred Simon was kind enough to provide me with a copy of this cd and > it is outstanding. He puts his own interpretation on some Joni > classics and some other marvelous tunes. He was also generous enough > to provide his cd for last year's Jonifest raffle. This naturally > leads me to my pitch - if you have something to donate that you know > a JMDLer would enjoy receiving please, please declare your intentions > now, or if you cannot yet figure out what that might be, please start > thinking. Last year we were able to raise just over $900 for the web > site and Alex and I would love to top that. We can do it, but only > with your help and good-natured participation. > > All the best, > Maggie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Notaro [mailto:notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:04 AM > To: mike pritchard; Joni List; jerry notaro > Cc: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com > Subject: Re: why would someone be cutting at a party? > > > > np - Fred Simon - Michael from Mountains > > > > Mike, > > > > How wonderful to see Fred9s name here. For those who are new, Fred, > who > lives > > in Chicago, is, along with David Lahm and Roberto Holliston, one of > our > > 3Premier Pianists2 on the list. > > > > Jerry > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:31:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: song for the monkey (NJC) jimmy!! now we all know how old you really are! never tell your chinese sign, baby. this is the year of the wood monkey. very good for rats and dragons. (i'm a rat, so maybe i'll be able to go to jonifest this year!) it's a year of profound transformations for monkeys. the year will be marked by economic growth and prosperity... always contingent on gambling and speculation, though! so, be optimistic but don't bet more than you can afford to lose. all in all, i'm glad the year of the goat is over. too much drama! let the monkey bring on the fun, i say. i wrote a song for the monkey when i met my second husband (he is a wood monkey and we were together for 13 years!) here it goes. dedicated to all monkeys (and rats). a monkey's strong he can jump from branch to branch he lets the good times roll he'll always seize a chance he makes the world feel glad they met him he makes the world feel glad they let him climb their trees a monkey knows his tricks and where you get your kicks and he can play blackmail and hook you with his tail he haunts your heart and makes you sing he makes you wish you'd fix your wings before he leaves well a monkey like that has happened on this rat a good rat knows well where he's to keep his gold he's sexy when he's young and rich when he grows old he loves tipping the bellboys well and staying at ten star hotels and bargain basements he can tell a diamond by its cut and shape among a heap of stones he'll always spot the fakes what he doesn't buy, he rents his heart was meant for sentiment's overdue payments no monkey should miss a fine rat such as this i was born a rat i charm men off their guard my burrow's big enough my window's full of stars i know the hottest news in town it's me who made it go around till i got bored come little monkey come and play this little game i'll take your tricks if you will swear you mean no pain i promise i won't be your boss or think in terms of gain and loss or charge for more a deal like that may suit both monkeys and rats love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:45:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: What do we all do for a living (NJC) i love calligraphy! it was a compulsory course at school when i was growing up. i studied it for seven years. my handwriting is horrible beyond belief, though. i always lacked the patience and i flunked the course several times and had to take special examinations in the summer. i would love to have perfect palmer and spencerian. strangely enough, my brother, who was left-handed and forced into right-handedness, was great at calligraphy and always won penmanship awards. wally, who wants a love letter from mags > Im a writer, a calligraphic artist, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:52:43 -0500 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: song for the monkey (NJC) This is a lovely song, Wally! I hope things will augur well for me too as I am also under the sign of the Monkey. By auguring well I meant -- I hope I get the chance to meet Joni in a bar and offer her a drink the way Bob M did and someone will get a picture of Joni and me with her hand clasping mine -- hahahahah! Joseph in Chapel Hill (back to lurkdom and monkeying around with the assigned readings!) Quoting Wally Kairuz : > jimmy!! now we all know how old you really are! never tell your > chinese > sign, baby. > > this is the year of the wood monkey. very good for rats and dragons. > (i'm a > rat, so maybe i'll be able to go to jonifest this year!) > > it's a year of profound transformations for monkeys. the year will be > marked > by economic growth and prosperity... always contingent on gambling > and > speculation, though! so, be optimistic but don't bet more than you > can > afford to lose. > > all in all, i'm glad the year of the goat is over. too much drama! > let the > monkey bring on the fun, i say. > > i wrote a song for the monkey when i met my second husband (he is a > wood > monkey and we were together for 13 years!) > > here it goes. dedicated to all monkeys (and rats). > > a monkey's strong > he can jump from branch to branch > he lets the good times roll > he'll always seize a chance > he makes the world feel glad they met him > he makes the world feel glad they let him > climb their trees > > a monkey knows his tricks > and where you get your kicks > and he can play blackmail > and hook you with his tail > he haunts your heart and makes you sing > he makes you wish you'd fix your wings > before he leaves > > well a monkey like that > has happened on this rat > > a good rat knows well > where he's to keep his gold > he's sexy when he's young > and rich when he grows old > he loves tipping the bellboys well > and staying at ten star hotels > and bargain basements > > he can tell a diamond by its cut and shape > among a heap of stones he'll always spot the fakes > what he doesn't buy, he rents > his heart was meant for sentiment's > overdue payments > > no monkey should miss > a fine rat such as this > > i was born a rat > i charm men off their guard > my burrow's big enough > my window's full of stars > i know the hottest news in town > it's me who made it go around > till i got bored > > come little monkey > come and play this little game > i'll take your tricks > if you will swear you mean no pain > i promise i won't be your boss > or think in terms of gain and loss > or charge for more > > a deal like that > may suit both monkeys and rats > > love, > wally > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:04:10 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: What do we all do for a living (NJC) >Subject: What do we all do for a living (NJC) > > >Jennymac wrote: > >> Hi all. I don't know if this has been done but wouldn't it be fun to >> see what we all do for a living and what our main hobby activity is >> and how do we attribute either to Joni's influence (if we do). > neat thread. i'm a publicist with a small new york firm that represents mostly classical musicians and projects, plus a couple of arts festivals, us and europe. the biggest plus is that i care about the product i'm dealing with, i love and respect the musicians and other people we deal with, who care about art. art is the the highest part of our culture and of human endeavor, to me. and i'm helping, in my way, to keep it important to the culture. another plus is that, now that i'm a homeowner, itemizing allows me to write off nearly every cultural event i attend, and many of the cds i buy. it's like a 20% discount on everything. don't think i can justify writing off jonifest yet! a minus is that i'm severely income-limited. my potential highest salary is just a fraction of most fields. i have to live with it. patrick np - some chill cd version of pink floyd's 'breathe' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:20:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wally's posts and AOL (NJC) now having a wonderful time --- Emiliano wrote: > > << > PS: Having a Wonderful time... I expect you too! > Emiliano, I really want to know what exactly it is you do when you're having a wonderful time - maybe some of us can learn a thing or two from you. LOL. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:26:35 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Hot topic of the day NJC (& PC) (&RC!) (& even a little JC) > He wasn't image conscience but called the religous leaders > white washed tombs who look good on the outside but inside > are full of dead man's bones. And the white washed hawks pedal hate and call it love JM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:27:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Hell test (njc) --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i got a 206!!!!!!! > > WHAT AM I? > > wally, 666 The birthday devil? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:33:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hell test (njc) --- mackoliver wrote: > 44. Surely you jest. I turn bright red from > embarrassment reading that > score. ha ha. > Well, it's a good thing you didn't get it then. Who knows what colour you might turn? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:23:21 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: ZPG (njc) << From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Songs to aging Children (shudder) Come. JC= song titles Gang, This should get me banned from the list.......OK....so I'm one of those rotten nasty people who is all for ZERO POPULATION GROWTH...I mean...where the hell are these little people going to live in 30 or 40 years?? STOP THE MADNESS.....ADOPT!!!!!!!!!!! >> Russ: Originally, Zero Population Growth did not advocate having NO children, it proposed couples limit themselves to one or two (the fact that there are always people dying was supposed to even things out). I haven't heard that this changed but over the years they may have altered their stance. I have nothing against adoption and I think it is truly one of the greatest things people can do, but some folks would like to have a child of their own and suggesting they give up this right is not fair. Besides, with the world's penchant for war, and the casualties that accompany it, I don't think we'll be running out of space anytime soon. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:32:57 +1100 From: "Evan and Vanessa Thomson" Subject: Re: A Wad of Kids (NJC) Russell wrote: > This should get me banned from the list.......OK....so I'm one of > those rotten nasty people who is all for ZERO POPULATION GROWTH...I > mean...where the hell are these little people going to live in 30 or 40 > years?? STOP THE MADNESS.....ADOPT!!!!!!!!!!! Songs for people who are > thinking about have a dozen kids or so: As a person with 4 children and I had them by age 27 - I am now an aged 29! I feel like abit of a freak these days. I happen to live in a suburb with large families and 4 children is pretty common and even considered not many. Mind you, I bred as I was commanded by my Prime Minister and I am a good citizen! I also believe I suffer from a fertility syndrome called "Will Fall Pregnant if Looked At". I had twins last time round which is tidier in some respects but means if I ever fall on my head and somehow fall pregnant my chances of a multi birth are very high! I am *almost* tempted to see if that true! My answer to your get-kicked-off-the-list-question: These little people will live in high rise apartments blocks in a 1984 scenario or a Dune scenario... Does this help? Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:53:17 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Hell test (njc) hi well, i came in at 139 but *zero* points from jonifest :-( ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:12:56 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Hell test (njc) I mean my embarrassment at my bad behavior Catherine. mack Surely you jest. I turn bright red from > > embarrassment reading that > > score. ha ha. > > > > Well, it's a good thing you didn't get it then. Who > knows what colour you might turn? > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:54:07 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Hot topic of the day NJC (& PC) (&RC!) Steve Anderson wrote: > if you notice jesus criticized and fought against the > religious systems and not against the sinners. he drank wine, ran around > with at least one prostitute (see how many of our pastors today would be > cuaght dead doing that) Well, there WAS Jimmy Swaggart. Emulating Jesus, I suppose. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:54:00 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: songs to aging children come (njc, I guess) Overpopulation. If we solve all the other vast problems of the world; war, pollution, disease...and do not solve the overpopulation problem, it's "gonna get ugly". We breed exponentially, resources are finite. We are 6 billion now. Double that in 25 years. Unfortunately, religious superstition plays a big part. Catholics say "breed! breed! breed!" Why? More Catholics. And Osama has, what, 146 kids or some ridiculous thing? I'm not against having kids, but, as with other things in life, quality counts more than quantity. Or should. I don't see why people should get tax rewards for adding to the overpeoplization. Shouldn't those who unselfishly abstain from breeding get something? RR > Gang, > > This should get me banned from the list.......OK....so I'm one of > those rotten nasty people who is all for ZERO POPULATION GROWTH...I > > Russ in Hawai'i.....where there is apparently no such thing as birth > control.< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:58:03 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Cinti songwriter loves Joni, Joni Content In a recent edition of Cincinnati Weekly, a local songwriter, Emily Strand, recommended 5 CDs. Emily Strand said, Lucinda Williams' WORLD WITHOUT TEARS (Lost Highway label) I didn't expect Lucinda's new record to top her classic CAR WHEELS ON A GRAVEL ROAD, but Lucinda is someone whose songwriting I try to emulate, and this new collection lives up to my expectations. "Righteously" is my favorite track. Sarah McLachlan's AFTERGLOW (Arista label) I have just began to listen to this long-awaited new record. (I ripped into [the] Lucinda Williams [disc] first!) But it sound like classic Sarah: well-composed, intelligent pop songs, ethereally produced by Pierre Marchand. Suzanne Vega's NINE OBJECTS OF DESIRE (A&M label) This is the best album that has ever been made by anyone. The combination of Suzanne's heady songwriting and Mitchell Froom's at times down-right creepy production is nothing short of a miracle. "Carmel" is the track [which] people recognize, but "Thin Man" and "Tombstone" are my personal favorites. Chris Smither's LIVE AS I'LL EVER BE (Hightone label) I discovered Chris Smither about a year ago and haven't been the same since. His brand of the blues is inspired, and with songs like "No Love Today," he's bound for legendary status. His new record is great as well, but I keep coming back to this powerful live solo recording. I guess that's the solo artist in me, entranced by his ability to carry it all on his own." Joni Mitchell's LADIES OF THE CANYON (Reprise label) I listen to Joni Mitchell like some people take vitamins. I want to keep me healthy as a songwriter. This record is new to me- I practically wore out BLUE and treated myself to LADIES OF THE CANYON a few months ago. "For Free" is my favorite, currently." Lurking but not dozing, Ol Man L'Hommedieu PS, at 43, things start to slip (eyesight). At 47 the slope gets slippery (thinking, hearing). As the Boss observed something like, "The ride gets bumpy and the road gets rough. 'Ya gotta' learn to live with what you can't rise above." ppss, It's all "down hill" after baby teeth. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:12:13 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 23 1974: Joni performed at the Auditorium in Chicago. At one point, an audience member yelled for "White Rabbit." Joni answered, "I'm getting slick, but I'm not that Slick." More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=816 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:12:13 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 23 On January 23 the following article was published: 1999: "If You See Her, Say Hello" - Hotpress (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=126 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #41 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)