From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #38 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 21 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 038 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Info on Joni Mitchell "GHOSTS" cd [simon@icu.com] Re: On inventing chords - Amelia analysis ["Marian Russell" > Subject: Info on Joni Mitchell GHOSTS cd > > I've got a cd of Joni Mitchell called GHOSTS through a snail mail trade. > The only info i have is, that the tracks are all from LADIES OF THE CANYON > (trader says it is LOTC 'sessions'), but to my ears it sound like the official > LOTC cd, with some tracks missing. > > Best > Christof your right! this disc is a blatant rip-off, containing 10-of-12 songs included on the album LADIES OF THE CANYON, or should i say From LOTC. they are not demos, they are not alternate takes, they are not alternate mixes. for those unfamiliar with this CD, the -10- songs are: 1. Big Yellow Taxi 2. Woodstock 3. The Arrangement 4. Ladies Of The Canyon 5. Rainy Night House 6. The Circle Game 7. For Free 8. Conversation 9. Blue Boy 10. The Priest those who are familiar with LOTC will notice that these songs are out of order. the 2 songs missing are "Morning Morgantown" and "Willy" also worth noting: 1. the beginning of "Big Yellow Taxi" is clipped, it begins rather abruptly and a few seconds are missing. 2. the speed if off -- it's fast. 3. if you listen carefully, especially w/headphones, you can clearly hear the Vinyl Record Noise. that's right! this CD is mastered from a noisy Vinyl LP. this GHOSTS cd is one of at least six Bootleg CDs that rip-off and duplicate LOTC. other titles include: 1. Experience 2. Joni Mitchell (reissue of Experience) 3. For Free 4. Girls In The Valley 5. Big Yellow Taxi ( Elap Music) 6. Big Yellow Taxi (Galaxy) andmoreagain, _____________ simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:46:35 -0500 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: On inventing chords - Amelia analysis >Randy Remote wrote: >I agree that Amelia can be thought of as being in C- >(although, in determining a key, 99% of the time, the >key is the same as the first chord, so; Dm, but >close enough). Well, if we think of "the first chord", I would rather go with G - where she starts singing. Most of Joni's songs have some kind of cute introduction that is not always repeated later and doesn't always define the key of the song. But if we go with G as being the root, then it's harder to explain the Bbmaj and the F, although the F could be explained by thinking of the song as being in mixolydian mode, as Jenny said. I think the Eb that I mentioned is actually more of a Bbsus4. I was trying to explain the Bb as the IV/IV - the sub-dominant of the sub-dominant F in the key of C and the Bm as the iii/V (the minor third of the dominant G of the key of C). It is usual in music to have chords related to the IV and the V of the root without modulating firmly into either the IV or the V. There is terminology for this in my music theory books at home. I will try to find it. Would love to hear from anyone with more recent study of music theory (mine is about 25 years old!). Marian ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #38 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)