From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #35 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 20 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 035 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Living, Hobbies and Joni [Rick Burneson ] Re: Loving Joni, but not her music ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]" ] Re: Joni stuff and trades [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Some are friendly, some are cutting... ["mike pritchard" ] Re: C&S in Grammy Hall of Fame [Randy Remote ] RE: Responses (NJC) [] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #34 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: What I do for a living VLJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Loving Joni but not her music... SJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Loving Joni but not her music... SJC ["Kevin Arshad" ] Re: Loving Joni but not her music... NJC [magsnbrei ] FULL scholarship opportunity for Jonifest 2004!! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: Some are friendly, some are cutting...NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Responses (NJC) ["Evan and Vanessa Thomson" ] Re: Full Moon [Bobsart48@aol.com] NAMM (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Loving Joni but not her music... now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Nice guitar website - njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Music message board [was Responses] (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Loving Joni but not her music... NJC ["Kevin Arshad" Subject: Living, Hobbies and Joni >>Hi all. I don't know if this has been done but wouldn't it be fun to see >>what we all do for a living and what our main hobby activity is and how do we >>attribute either to Joni's influence (if we do). >> For a living, I work for a company that makes bicyle racks for cars; some customer service, some design work, some writing of instruction sheets and ad copy. It's a small company so lots of variety, . . . but sorry, no Joni influence. Hobbies? I do a lot of long bicycle rides, the ones called "double centuries" because you ride 200 miles in a day. And when I'm on the bike for 15 - 17 hours I get to play a LOT of Joni songs back in my head. Examples? Sometimes these rides start at 4:30AM, so "Come in From the Cold" is popular! Then that one phrase from Nathan LaFraneer (sp?) "we climbed the canyons slowly" . . . I've climbed lots of canyons slowly! . . . . with that line cycling through my brain. Other Hobbies: Miata Club drives, v.often w/Joni on the CD, esp. Miles of Isles and Court & Spark for spirited top-down motoring! Rick From St.Louis, now in LA. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:25:46 -0500 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: Re: Loving Joni, but not her music those of us who have been around for a few years or more have most oif or all fo everything available - I don't consider that collecting as I think of musical collecting - andf since I have no ability to copy, I could not trade - I denote a trace of insult in your question, may be just me since cyber words have no nuance, but we are all here keenly interested in her music - I have a shelf full at home of her music. Do you have anything from any of the Anger Management Tours with Eminem to trade? Vince Could someone explain to me for what reason people are attracted to Joni, if not for her music ? Why are so many on this list not interested in great recordings of her beautiful performances ? There are many items available in good sound quality; some in fair and others in less. It's certainly the individuals perogative, but it seems very strange to me that people here don't want to hear her live recordings to get a more complete sense of Joni. The older recordings are ,without a doubt, of historic importance and are some of the most other-worldly performances I've ever heard; ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:03:04 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Loving Joni, but not her music I think you've misunderstood so I will try to explain...there are lots of those performance recordings floating around & people on this list have them...like someone said, not everyone here trades them though...this list is something that you have to participate a bit in & let people get to know you as well as make your request about trades...I know someone will help you...its just not PRIMARILY a trading group...trading is a by product...hope this helps! >Could someone explain to me for what reason people are attracted to = Joni, if not for her music ? Why are so many on this list not interested = in great recordings of her beautiful performances ?< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:28:01 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni stuff and trades Kevin wrote: "Could someone explain to me for what reason people are attracted to Joni, if not for her music ? Why are so many on this list not interested in great recordings of her beautiful performances ? There are many items available in good sound quality; some in fair and others in less. It's certainly the individuals perogative, but it seems very strange to me that people here don't want to hear her live recordings to get a more complete sense of Joni. The older recordings are ,without a doubt, of historic importance and are some of the most other-worldly performances I've ever heard; right on-par with Van's Astral Weeks." Kevin - sorry I was not among the many on this list who have not replied to your initial post (I plead being too busy at that time. And I also apologize if this response turns out to be off track.) There are many, many, many recordings of Joni's concerts, TV and radio appearances and coffee house bootlegs in the possession of many if not most members on this list. Many of them have been circulated on video and CD trees. Others are copied by members either for trade or - more commonly - at cost, and shared that way. There are a few members on this list whose collections are extensive and who have capabilities to copy and trade. I am not one of them. However, if your message is inclusive enough, and not judgmental or critical, I am confident you will get the responses you seek. So, part of the reason you get little response is that so many of us already have copies of so much of Joni's stuff. The rest may be up to you. If you would like me to help, feel free to contact me off list. Bob Sartorius PS - In answer to your first question, She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty (siquomb) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:34:40 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Some are friendly, some are cutting... Anon anon asked >>Why would anyone be cutting at a party?<< Bob replied >>Mike, I think she's referring to "cutting remarks", that is to say being gossipy.<< Thanks Bob - just clarifying that although the original questioner's address looks similar to mine, it was not from me. Who is 'anon anon'? mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:39:40 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Loving Joni, but not her music Kevin Arshad wrote: > Could someone explain to me for what reason people are attracted to = > Joni, if not for her music ? Why are so many on this list not interested = > in great recordings of her beautiful performances ? Besides the explanations already offered, Joni has made quite a few excellent official live recordings and videos that satisfy the "live Joni" craving. As already mentioned, alot of her best unreleased stuff is pretty widely circulated in these parts. Plus trading requires special equipment (burner, etc) and some people don't have the time or gear to deal with it. Also, if I recall from your list, you seem to have just about everything! dsk wrote: > You mentioned on list wanting full videos of the clips that were part of > "Woman of Heart and Mind." > I suggest that you investigate it yourself, and write to > the director or the American Masters show > This is just not going to happen. The clips in question are copyrighted material that they license for use in the video. It would certainly be illegal for them to share those with anyone. It would be nice if the companies that hold those things could put out some kind of a DVD box set or something. Alot of things that are bootlegged or traded have been stolen or secretly copied from the studios, or sometimes from the artists themselves or their friends. Others are things that have been recorded off radio or TV broadcasts by fans. Of course, trading or copying official releases that are still available commercially is a big no-no (not that anyone is suggesting that). RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:44:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: C&S in Grammy Hall of Fame Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > As an aside, bringing up The Same Situation reminds me of my much I love the > way Joni from time to time segues one song into another: Such as Lesson in > Survival / Let the Wind Carry Me, and Boho Dance/Harry's House, in addition to > People's Parties/Same Situation. > > Are there others like that ? I forget, but it seems like there must have been. The first one, I think is BYT>Woodstock on LOTC. A tape edit, as some of the others seem to be. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:50:33 -0600 From: Subject: RE: Responses (NJC) Kevin wrote: "Could someone explain to me for what reason people are attracted to = Joni, if not for her music ? Why are so many on this list not interested = in great recordings of her beautiful performances ? There are many items = available in good sound quality; some in fair and others in less.=20 It's certainly the individuals perogative, but it seems very strange to = me that people here don't want to hear her live recordings to get a more = complete sense of Joni. The older recordings are ,without a doubt, of = historic importance and are some of the most other-worldly performances = I've ever heard; right on-par with Van's Astral Weeks." I'll go out on a limb here--as if I haven't been out on a limb enough around here already! ;-)--and say that I agree with Kevin, in that trading does not seem to be a major focus of this list. I'd go one step further and say: nor has it ever been, even in the heyday of our tape-treeing. I suppose I never realized the extent to which that is the case until I recently joined another list/board, where trading IS very much a major focus. . .and, within a month, quickly found myself awash in simply unbelievable riches. And I couldn't help but wonder: does this kind of stuff NOT exist in the case of Joni Mitchell? If it does, why haven't we concentrated on trading it on the JMDL? Now, I suppose there could be all kinds of reasons why the JMDL might not want to facilitate the trading between members of live recordings made without Joni's consent, and over which she did not have full artistic control (these aren't issues on that other list: consent, of a sort, at least for the trades themselves, has been given). But, in that Les, the JMDL's list owner, decides that the trading recordings of commercially unreleased live performances is OK, there's no saying that we couldn't start emphasizing that to a greater extent than we have previously, beginning now. And I think that, if we do, Lori's idea of a separate message board for that purpose would be a GREAT way to go. Take care, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:55:34 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #34 In a message dated 1/19/2004 1:21:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Subject: RE: What do we all do for a living (VLJC) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:12:22 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: What I do for a living VLJC My "career" has definitely been an evolution and certainly not always with any kind of logical progression or upward path (years of substance abuse/illness didn't help). But anyway, for the past four years I have done public information/marketing/communications for the public arboretum/botanical garden in my city. I actually work for the foundation that supports the institution, rather than the park itself. I do a lot of writing, project management, web work, event marketing, etc. Essentially it's a PR job but goes a little broader than true PR in its scope. I have also done free-lance writing for non-profit and commercial organizations in recent years. My desire is to move into the editorial field (with hopes of being a magazine editor one of these days, my lifelong professional dream), though I have a definite inclination to remain involved in some way in the worlds of parks-museums (an arboretum is both a park and a museum), horticulture and conservation. As for how Joni's work has contributed or been involved -- I'm not sure -- but I suppose some of the first and most impactful environmental/progressive messages I heard were in her music. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:20:12 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Loving Joni but not her music... SJC From: "Kevin Arshad" WROTE Subject: Loving Joni but not her music Could someone explain to me for what reason people are attracted to = Joni, if not for her music ? Why are so many on this list not interested = in great recordings of her beautiful performances ? Lucy Replies Hello Kevin... I rarely post a lot about Joni, don't post very much at all of late, I am a bit busy with work ... and to answer the "what to you do for a living" thread... I work for Britain's largest children's charity.... I am a fundraiser in Schools, colleges and universities. I have two children, a dog, and a cat, a lovely man called Frank, and I live in the south of England..two minutes from the beach, opposite the Isle of Wight. Anyway to get back to your question, and I can only give you my small take on it, as we are all so myriad in our thoughts and feelings with regard to Joni... I have never been one to really GET the technical aspect of things... I am in all things driven by words and feelings. My memories of words that shiver my soul into something transcendent span everything from great poems to song lyrics.. Joni, along with a few other artists have done that for me, both lyrically and musically... Neil Young's The Thrashers makes the hairs on my arms and neck stand up... Wasted Time, by the Eagles has the same effect.. but it is usually because they are associated, for me, with some outside influence when I heard the particular track... KASHMIR, by Led Zeppelin (even played on Kazoo with Kay and the others at FEST) remains one of the greatest anthems ever.. but what brought it to life for me was driving along a high pass in the French Alps with the sun blazing down on us, whilst an amazing storm raged below us hurling snow and lightening into the abyss... My very first recollection of hearing Joni was of her singing Little Green on my friends sisters' record player and just HAVING TO KNOW "WHAT ALBUM IS THIS".... and risking the disdainful gaze of the beautiful and graceful Jeannie who uncoiled (in her panne velvet maxi dress) from an amazing yoga position to shove the album sleeve at me and slam the door in my face..... The quality of the recording does not matter to me, who she played with or without does not matter to me, the whole thing of Joni for me is the way her words enfold around me when I do listen to her (which is not all the time). I am a bit of an early years Joniphile........ but do love her more mature voice. I do like BSN and T'logue .. I did not like Hejira THAT Much but then it grew and grew on me, reaching into the rhythm of my thoughts and feelings when I play it...(and I still have probs with Furry sings the blues) but it has joined the ranks of ones I love.... Some people listen because they are musicians and when I am with musicians (Chris and Martin for example) they bring a whole different slant on things and I can see why they love her MUSICALITY.... I am no musician.. my 4 chord tricks are sadly amateurish but get me by for the English folk stuff I play.... I do not think I will ever play anything of Joni's as I am just not THAT MUSICAL.... I don;t think I could ever sing her songs in public as I do not have that range... I think I would say I also admire her for the sheer all round artist she is.. her songs stand up as poetry.. they stand up as songs.... as songs to be taken in refrain in warm bars (Oh Canada) and for moments when you just have to sing it loud "we are stardust" and other times when "again and again the same situation" you find yourself just sitting in the dim light of some TV (computer screen)... realising you are one of the lucky ones who has this artist within a seconds distance from your ears desiring of hearing something unfold, caress, insinuate and restore itself into the core of some subconscious cavern.. something you had not realised was there until Joni filled it.. Why we get her, or how we get her, or when we got her, or why we continue to listen will never have the same answer if you put that question to the thousands of people who do hold her in the fondest esteem... One thing that always amazes me is when you meet someone and you talk to them and you discuss music and they will blushingly admit that they still enjoy listening to "do you remember JONI MITCHELL?" and they think they are the only ones... I think of the JMDL as a bit like the baseball grid in Field of Dreams... Les put the site up,,, he built it, and they came, and they will keep on coming, and going, and returning and arguing and posting and constantly having their say, and feeling part, or not of some sort of wonderful community. I do not buy into the inner and outer thing... Some people you will find you talk to a lot... I thank Walmart for buying out ASDA and supplying a wonderful calling card so that I can call "my sisters and brothers" across the pond.... I talk more to them than I do the English listers... Some will imagine I am some lonely person to regard these people as this but I have experienced real kindness and feelings of being at home amongst those I have met and I only hope I can find all the necessary funds to be at Full moon this year again with my kids in tow.... I have rambled Kevin... but your posts have made me re-evaluate some of why and what the JMDL is about for me and it is about Joni originally, but it is about more than that and I thank you for dragging me out of long lurkdom to post on this rainy night.. Lucy NP.... Loreena Mckennit... The lady of Shallot ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:37:46 -0600 From: "Kevin Arshad" Subject: Re: Loving Joni but not her music... SJC Wow Lucy !! That's quite a missive. I'm glad my question was positive for someone. I'm afraid I could never write that much myself, but I enjoyed reading your response. What might you mean by "be at Full moon " ? Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucy Hone To: joni@smoe.org ; arshadameer@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 5:20 PM Subject: Loving Joni but not her music... SJC From: "Kevin Arshad" WROTE Subject: Loving Joni but not her music Could someone explain to me for what reason people are attracted to = Joni, if not for her music ? Why are so many on this list not interested = in great recordings of her beautiful performances ? Lucy Replies Hello Kevin... I rarely post a lot about Joni, don't post very much at all of late, I am a bit busy with work ... and to answer the "what to you do for a living" thread... I work for Britain's largest children's charity.... I am a fundraiser in Schools, colleges and universities. I have two children, a dog, and a cat, a lovely man called Frank, and I live in the south of England..two minutes from the beach, opposite the Isle of Wight. Anyway to get back to your question, and I can only give you my small take on it, as we are all so myriad in our thoughts and feelings with regard to Joni... I have never been one to really GET the technical aspect of things... I am in all things driven by words and feelings. My memories of words that shiver my soul into something transcendent span everything from great poems to song lyrics.. Joni, along with a few other artists have done that for me, both lyrically and musically... Neil Young's The Thrashers makes the hairs on my arms and neck stand up... Wasted Time, by the Eagles has the same effect.. but it is usually because they are associated, for me, with some outside influence when I heard the particular track... KASHMIR, by Led Zeppelin (even played on Kazoo with Kay and the others at FEST) remains one of the greatest anthems ever.. but what brought it to life for me was driving along a high pass in the French Alps with the sun blazing down on us, whilst an amazing storm raged below us hurling snow and lightening into the abyss... My very first recollection of hearing Joni was of her singing Little Green on my friends sisters' record player and just HAVING TO KNOW "WHAT ALBUM IS THIS".... and risking the disdainful gaze of the beautiful and graceful Jeannie who uncoiled (in her panne velvet maxi dress) from an amazing yoga position to shove the album sleeve at me and slam the door in my face..... The quality of the recording does not matter to me, who she played with or without does not matter to me, the whole thing of Joni for me is the way her words enfold around me when I do listen to her (which is not all the time). I am a bit of an early years Joniphile........ but do love her more mature voice. I do like BSN and T'logue .. I did not like Hejira THAT Much but then it grew and grew on me, reaching into the rhythm of my thoughts and feelings when I play it...(and I still have probs with Furry sings the blues) but it has joined the ranks of ones I love.... Some people listen because they are musicians and when I am with musicians (Chris and Martin for example) they bring a whole different slant on things and I can see why they love her MUSICALITY.... I am no musician.. my 4 chord tricks are sadly amateurish but get me by for the English folk stuff I play.... I do not think I will ever play anything of Joni's as I am just not THAT MUSICAL.... I don;t think I could ever sing her songs in public as I do not have that range... I think I would say I also admire her for the sheer all round artist she is.. her songs stand up as poetry.. they stand up as songs.... as songs to be taken in refrain in warm bars (Oh Canada) and for moments when you just have to sing it loud "we are stardust" and other times when "again and again the same situation" you find yourself just sitting in the dim light of some TV (computer screen)... realising you are one of the lucky ones who has this artist within a seconds distance from your ears desiring of hearing something unfold, caress, insinuate and restore itself into the core of some subconscious cavern.. something you had not realised was there until Joni filled it.. Why we get her, or how we get her, or when we got her, or why we continue to listen will never have the same answer if you put that question to the thousands of people who do hold her in the fondest esteem... One thing that always amazes me is when you meet someone and you talk to them and you discuss music and they will blushingly admit that they still enjoy listening to "do you remember JONI MITCHELL?" and they think they are the only ones... I think of the JMDL as a bit like the baseball grid in Field of Dreams... Les put the site up,,, he built it, and they came, and they will keep on coming, and going, and returning and arguing and posting and constantly having their say, and feeling part, or not of some sort of wonderful community. I do not buy into the inner and outer thing... Some people you will find you talk to a lot... I thank Walmart for buying out ASDA and supplying a wonderful calling card so that I can call "my sisters and brothers" across the pond.... I talk more to them than I do the English listers... Some will imagine I am some lonely person to regard these people as this but I have experienced real kindness and feelings of being at home amongst those I have met and I only hope I can find all the necessary funds to be at Full moon this year again with my kids in tow.... I have rambled Kevin... but your posts have made me re-evaluate some of why and what the JMDL is about for me and it is about Joni originally, but it is about more than that and I thank you for dragging me out of long lurkdom to post on this rainy night.. Lucy NP.... Loreena Mckennit... The lady of Shallot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:19:07 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Loving Joni but not her music... SJC On 19 Jan 2004, at 23:20, Lucy Hone wrote: > Some people listen because they are musicians and when I am with > musicians > (Chris and Martin for example) they bring a whole different slant on > things > and I can see why they love her MUSICALITY.... I am no musician.. [feels ears burning] I need to correct Lucy's statement a little... Lucy mentioned Hejira - the first Joni album I ever heard. Paradoxically, it really grabbed me because of the lyrics although the music came a very close second. But the lyrics, their story-like quality, their disdain for conventional song structures - that's what got me addicted. Nowadays, I'm not sure what it is, but ultimately it's still her words that grab hold of me and don't let go. Despite, allegedly, being a musician :) And come to think of it, since being in a band I have been thinking far harder about songs, their structure and their makeup. The one artist I haven't really done that to is Joni. On the trading front: I have to say that the quality of something has to be top notch for me to be able to listen to it: for some reason, I just can't listen to stuff where the mix is out of whack, or there's loads of audience noise, or it's a 4th generation tape copy badly transferred onto CD, or whatever. With bands that's usually not helped by the fact that the first thing to suffer with a bootleg recording is the bass. Being a bass player, if I can't hear it, I get irritated. I do have some live stuff: the early live/unreleased recordings that got passed around via file sharing and on CD. Interesting, but I have a hard time listening to it due to sound quality issues. Sort of a once only thing for me. I have one or two other live concerts of hers too that give me the same problem. And that's not a problem to me and in no way makes me feel like I'm missing out on the vast majority Joni's material since I have it in studio form or from one of the official live releases. What it does mean is that I don't have an active interest in the trading side of things since I'm pretty much guaranteed to be disappointed. There - a very calm post at the end of a truly horrible day. - --Chris Marshall chrisATstryngs.com (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:19:43 -0500 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: addition to JMDL guitar database Check out the latest addition to the JMDL guitar database: Nathan La Franeer Transcribed by: Markus Mauch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:24:36 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Loving Joni but not her music... NJC Lucy in the Skye with Diamonds wrote back to Kevin as a way of helping him to understand "some" of why we are here: <<<>>>. and I am moved to write... my reply seems rather timely because, I see of late that the "why are we here" cycle of things has come to rise once again. Yes, Kevin, we do indeed love Joni and we dont compartmentalize her ... she's a part of us, and we, a part of this main. Among other dazzling bits about this list, herein lies, a great deal of synchronicity and happenstance, meetings of minds, hearts and souls, which have changed lives. Dont believe me? Here's but a small part of what I mean. ..because I'm on this list, Ive met Queen Lucy herself, wondrous soul who has since become one of my most beloved friends and sisters, and one of these days, we are bound to find out that not only are we big fans of the Meaning of Liff, we must be genetically related. Alas, I digress. Lucy mentioned to you that she works for one of the largest children's charities in Britain. Here's where one of the many bits of synchronicity/coincedence comes in...and if this doesnt phase you, Ive got more. My father and his siblings were orphaned at a young age. ... and just take a wild guess as to what orphanage/charity they were taken to...yep, the same said one that Lucy works for. *gasp* . well it doesnt end there. My Dad died nearly 14 years ago and, so I thought, were the reasons why his family was torn apart and sent away. Well...as Lucy and I got to know one another, she gave me the name of a person to contact, about a year ago now, and in recent weeks, I have received, thanks to Lucy, a package which contains all the background information about my Dad and there's even some hand written letter...I recognize his writing so I know it's from him. It was an astounding moment when we realized the connection..and without THIS list, Id never in a million years have met Lucy, nor bothered to even ask for the information, mostly because I did not know, that as a surviving child, I was entitled to ask for it. So, some of my life long yearnings have been fulfilled. It doesnt end here, as I said. Last summer, tragedy struck my family and my brother Dave was taken from us suddenly. I couldnt get a hold of my aunt and uncle who live just outside of London, in a small town, and here's where Lucy comes in again, to save the day...she generously wrote a letter of explanation and this letter was delivered by hand to my Aunt and Uncle's front door, for her mate just so happens to live in the same town. And if that isnt enough for you as to the weight of what this community means to many of us....our very own Willy the Shake grew up only a street away from another Aunti of mine, and he has more than once, hand delivered things to Eva for me. It's one small world...and this community is filled to the brim with life and love and caring. For those of you who dont like the mush and gush stories, sorry about that....but here it is for Kevin and others to see... Im privileged to be blessed with many life long friends as a result of my sitting down at my computer one April morning and typing into the search engine, Joni Mitchell. Friends who live in New England and many other parts of the US, and Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Europe, South America... and on and on it goes. People just like me, people who love Joni and her music, art, poetry and beyond. Ive learned more about Joni Mitchell and her work, than I ever would have, had I not signed in. There's much that goes on behind the scenes too, Kevin, so stick around a while and be patient. food for thought...indeed. Mags, who needs to go and finish cooking dinner with her husband who I also happened to meet as a result of this list. (enough?) ;-) np: the blender ;P Anyway to get back to your question, and I can only give you my small take on it, as we are all so myriad in our thoughts and feelings with regard to Joni... I have never been one to really GET the technical aspect of things... I am in all things driven by words and feelings. My memories of words that shiver my soul into something transcendent span everything from great poems to song lyrics.. Joni, along with a few other artists have done that for me, both lyrically and musically... Neil Young's The Thrashers makes the hairs on my arms and neck stand up... Wasted Time, by the Eagles has the same effect.. but it is usually because they are associated, for me, with some outside influence when I heard the particular track... KASHMIR, by Led Zeppelin (even played on Kazoo with Kay and the others at FEST) remains one of the greatest anthems ever.. but what brought it to life for me was driving along a high pass in the French Alps with the sun blazing down on us, whilst an amazing storm raged below us hurling snow and lightening into the abyss... My very first recollection of hearing Joni was of her singing Little Green on my friends sisters' record player and just HAVING TO KNOW "WHAT ALBUM IS THIS".... and risking the disdainful gaze of the beautiful and graceful Jeannie who uncoiled (in her panne velvet maxi dress) from an amazing yoga position to shove the album sleeve at me and slam the door in my face..... The quality of the recording does not matter to me, who she played with or without does not matter to me, the whole thing of Joni for me is the way her words enfold around me when I do listen to her (which is not all the time). I am a bit of an early years Joniphile........ but do love her more mature voice. I do like BSN and T'logue .. I did not like Hejira THAT Much but then it grew and grew on me, reaching into the rhythm of my thoughts and feelings when I play it...(and I still have probs with Furry sings the blues) but it has joined the ranks of ones I love.... Some people listen because they are musicians and when I am with musicians (Chris and Martin for example) they bring a whole different slant on things and I can see why they love her MUSICALITY.... I am no musician.. my 4 chord tricks are sadly amateurish but get me by for the English folk stuff I play.... I do not think I will ever play anything of Joni's as I am just not THAT MUSICAL.... I don;t think I could ever sing her songs in public as I do not have that range... I think I would say I also admire her for the sheer all round artist she is.. her songs stand up as poetry.. they stand up as songs.... as songs to be taken in refrain in warm bars (Oh Canada) and for moments when you just have to sing it loud "we are stardust" and other times when "again and again the same situation" you find yourself just sitting in the dim light of some TV (computer screen)... realising you are one of the lucky ones who has this artist within a seconds distance from your ears desiring of hearing something unfold, caress, insinuate and restore itself into the core of some subconscious cavern.. something you had not realised was there until Joni filled it.. Why we get her, or how we get her, or when we got her, or why we continue to listen will never have the same answer if you put that question to the thousands of people who do hold her in the fondest esteem... One thing that always amazes me is when you meet someone and you talk to them and you discuss music and they will blushingly admit that they still enjoy listening to "do you remember JONI MITCHELL?" and they think they are the only ones... I think of the JMDL as a bit like the baseball grid in Field of Dreams... Les put the site up,,, he built it, and they came, and they will keep on coming, and going, and returning and arguing and posting and constantly having their say, and feeling part, or not of some sort of wonderful community. I do not buy into the inner and outer thing... Some people you will find you talk to a lot... I thank Walmart for buying out ASDA and supplying a wonderful calling card so that I can call "my sisters and brothers" across the pond.... I talk more to them than I do the English listers... Some will imagine I am some lonely person to regard these people as this but I have experienced real kindness and feelings of being at home amongst those I have met and I only hope I can find all the necessary funds to be at Full moon this year again with my kids in tow.... I have rambled Kevin... but your posts have made me re-evaluate some of why and what the JMDL is about for me and it is about Joni originally, but it is about more than that and I thank you for dragging me out of long lurkdom to post on this rainy night.. Lucy NP.... Loreena Mckennit... The lady of Shallot ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:52:13 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: FULL scholarship opportunity for Jonifest 2004!! If anyone is interested in a full scholarship for Jonifest 2004, we need a sound person for the full 4 nights in exchange for full room and board (shared room and shared bath) Thursday through Monday. Experience with a sound board, setting up mics, etc and working sound levels a must. Pease e-mail right away if you are interested in this opportunity. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:52:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Some are friendly, some are cutting...NJC In a message dated 1/19/2004 5:35:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, ink08@hotmail.com writes: Thanks Bob b just clarifying that although the original questioner's address looks similar to mine, it was not from me. Who is 'anon anon'? Oh, I see that now...sorry for the mistake, Mike. I don't know who anon anon really is, it always tickles me when folks think they shouldn't identify themselves, for whatever reason it makes it tougher for me to remember them. Bob NP: Grandaddy, "Stray Dog & The Chocolate Shake" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:59:48 +1100 From: "Evan and Vanessa Thomson" Subject: Re: Responses (NJC) > Kevin wrote: > > > Maybe there are some sharing people here, but I'm not having much > > success in finding them when looking for trades in the USA. Lori responded: Like Vanessa, I don't have anything to trade. I do have some videos > that I'm happy to loan for copying (I don't have two VCRs to do the > copying myself), but I don't have a method of duplicating CDs or > cassettes that would produce anything of good quality. > On another note, perhaps music trading is something that would benefit > from a message board? Since you seem to specifically ask for USA trades I also can't help you there as I am from Australia. I, like Lori do have some trades but cannot reproduce them as we have a crappy stereo! Also I read the list sporadically (except lately) and I can be slow at trades (just ask Rob Jordan). I do love Joni's music and I do have some tape trees/CDs which has greatly enriched my listening and appreciation but I have no way to then pass this love on. I do love alot of other music and my husband has alot of music for trade which he used to do on the Dream Theater List but see crappy stereo explanation for why I don't trade now. I think Lori'd idea has merit and would help all those interested. This list is generous and helpful and I too have been on the receiving end of some great trades and LPs (Thanks Lama for my Joni LPs *YAY*) I'm sorry your experience isn't as positive as mine has been and is. When Evan (husband) purchases the new fandangled surround sound home theatre system and stereo he desperately wants, I shall then offer my trades... but as we are poor this could just a pipe dream for Evan! Reagrds, Vanessa. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:01:32 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Full Moon What might you mean by "be at Full moon " ? Kevin, This time you have really opened up the proverbial can of worms. Again, I am on the JMDL 'digest' version, so you may have gotten other replies already, that I am not yet privy to. But to give you a sense of what this list is about, for each of the last 6 or 7 years, significant numbers of people have gathered in late summer somewhere in the Northeast US for "Northeast Jonifests" - 4 day weekends of performances, parties, workshops, etc. to celebrate Joni, her music and related material (e.g., listers' original songs, and some songs by other artists that have touched us). This year and last, the Jonifests were held in upstate NY, near Woodstock, at a place called the Full Moon resort. The performances were all videotaped, and are available for viewing on DVD or VH1, if you are interested (CD too). Among our numbers, we have quite a few professional musicians (some have commercial releases of their own) as well as amateurs of varying talent levels (most quite a bit higher than you might imagine - or perhaps not, given that Joni is the raison d'jtre of the affair). This year, there were about 70 of us Full Moon (from a variety of places all over the US and the world - including perhaps a dozen from the UK), and most performed or were part of a performance of some sort (though there are many who just come to root for, listen to and party with one another, and everyone there is an integral part of the 'show', really). This was my first - some have been to half a dozen or more such gatherings. Mini Jonifests are also held in the form of gatherings from time to time at other locales, as well. A large one in New Orleans, for example, a while back. Some get togethers in California, and Florida, and Chicago and Detroit. If you want to learn more, just log on the JMDL.com site, and click on Jonifests. Basically, JMDL'ers get together with some frequency - almost at any excuse. Here's a link: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/index.cfm See what we mean about liking Joni as well as liking each other ? It's quite a list, really. (Amazingly talented and nice, people, too, IMO !) Bob Sartorius PS - there will be another fest at Full Moon this summer, if you are so inclined :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:38:52 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: NAMM (njc) I am barely recovered ;-) from spending the past 5 days with my old friends Paz and Julius who were here for the NAMM convention. This year I had to work and commute back and forth to Anaheim to hang out and stay up all night. (I think next year we should splurge for a hospitality suite in the heart of the happenings and I will take vacation days!) Among other highlights, including dragging them to my local speakeasy where you can drink and smoke all night and Paz and Julius played piano and sang Joni and Michael Franks, we got to see two nights (Galaxy Theater and Acoustic Cafe at NAMM) of Eric Johnson playing acoustic guitar and piano, and he is just beyond belief. Paz has raved about him on the list for years and I should have listened to him. Eric just blew everyone away. If you ever get a chance to see him live, go for it, he is one of the most astonishing and brilliantly talented musicians I have ever heard. Today KKJZ, the best authentic jazz station in L.A., played one of his tunes. I've never heard them play him before and would like to imagine he made an impact in the few days here in that he is being more noticed. We also met up with JMDLer Steve Dulson at Eric's show and had a wonderful time there and back at the hotel where one of Stevie Wonder's production guys happened to wander by! Stevie was supposed to play NAMM on Sunday but we missed him. Thanks to Coyote Rick who hosted us for margaritas, martinis and dinner on Saturday - and funny and interesting "Conversation" ;-) and sorry we kept you up so late. Finally, we drug ourselves over to the Daily Grill on Sunday before calling it a long weekend. Time prevented me from meeting up again with Darice's amazing friend, Rebecca, (Bill Grahams's longtime assistant) but I say we just have to rent out a whole block of rooms next year so we can have a base to party and socialize to the max! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:39:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Loving Joni but not her music... now NJC Sing it, sister! You ROCK, Lulu! --- Lucy Hone wrote: > > I have rambled Kevin... but your posts have made me > re-evaluate some of why > and what the JMDL is about for me and it is about > Joni originally, but it is > about more than that and I thank you for dragging me > out of long lurkdom to > post on this rainy night.. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:48:28 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: What I do for a living vljc Well this sounds like a good idea so here goes. For the past 25 years my boyhood hobby has been my means of earning a living I started playing around with electronics 1n 1967 when I was ten years old, designed and built an electric organ for a grade 7 music class, spent many hundreds of hours designing and building a synthesizer a la MiniMoog/Arp Odessy in the mid 70s No, Joni's song Electricity wasn't my inspiration, I was well into it by the time FTR was released. Which prepared me for work in recording studios in the Ottawa area starting in 1979. I maintained and repaired multitrack tape recorders, mixing consoles, wiring etc, also worked on film editing equipment for movie and animation production Meanwhile repairing guitar amps, PA amps, stage lighting systems for local musicians and music stores. My studio maintenance business has slackened off considerably with the massive change in recording technology - in other words: I don't fix computers. Though most of my friends are professional musicians I somehow didn't catch the bug. Sometimes I plink plink something on the piano but don't put in the time necessary. Bought a handyman special type house 50 miles from the city where I enjoy lots of peace and quiet, the house is mostly fixed up now. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:02:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Nice guitar website - njc Here's a nice website for guitar players: http://www.ameritech.net/users/edupas/home.htm ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:31:37 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Music message board [was Responses] (NJC) Debra asked: > Can you add the music message board idea to the poll you're taking? Absolutely! I will finish putting together the poll and publish it tomorrow or Wednesday latest. So ... if anyone has additional suggestions for poll questions, please send 'em on (privately would be best). Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:59:08 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: A question (NJC) >>And there's also NPIMH, which means "now playing in my head". I use that >often because I like quiet non-music times and, if I'm writing anything >about Joni or anything even slightly emotional, there's usually a Joni >lyric, with her singing it, circling around in there. Now Debra ..you learn something everyday..I thought NPIMH meant "now playing in my house" I like head better. >Debra Shea, >in NYC< > > >and what does NFCK mean? Knowing you it doesn't all mean what I think it would mean. Probably something zany? What then? Bree >Marianne > >_________________________________________________________________ >Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software  optimizes dial-up to the >max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:18:34 -0600 From: "Kevin Arshad" Subject: Re: Loving Joni but not her music... NJC What can I say after the below. Very wonderful and I rejoice with you for all the good that has come your way because of the this list and the fact that the internet is a reality. I also was blown away in July when my Father's side of the family discovered me thru a geneolgical web site 30 years after his death. He passed away when I was 4 and all his side of the family was removed from our location, so they never got to know me. It is much more complicated than that, but suffice to say, I'm glad to hear that this list has been a blessing to people like yourself. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: magsnbrei To: Lucy Hone ; joni@smoe.org ; arshadameer@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:24 PM Subject: Re: Loving Joni but not her music... NJC Lucy in the Skye with Diamonds wrote back to Kevin as a way of helping him to understand "some" of why we are here: <<<>>>. and I am moved to write... my reply seems rather timely because, I see of late that the "why are we here" cycle of things has come to rise once again. Yes, Kevin, we do indeed love Joni and we dont compartmentalize her .. she's a part of us, and we, a part of this main. Among other dazzling bits about this list, herein lies, a great deal of synchronicity and happenstance, meetings of minds, hearts and souls, which have changed lives. Dont believe me? Here's but a small part of what I mean. ..because I'm on this list, Ive met Queen Lucy herself, wondrous soul who has since become one of my most beloved friends and sisters, and one of these days, we are bound to find out that not only are we big fans of the Meaning of Liff, we must be genetically related. Alas, I digress. Lucy mentioned to you that she works for one of the largest children's charities in Britain. Here's where one of the many bits of synchronicity/coincedence comes in...and if this doesnt phase you, Ive got more. My father and his siblings were orphaned at a young age. ... and just take a wild guess as to what orphanage/charity they were taken to...yep, the same said one that Lucy works for. *gasp* . well it doesnt end there. My Dad died nearly 14 years ago and, so I thought, were the reasons why his family was torn apart and sent away. Well...as Lucy and I got to know one another, she gave me the name of a person to contact, about a year ago now, and in recent weeks, I have received, thanks to Lucy, a package which contains all the background information about my Dad and there's even some hand written letter...I recognize his writing so I know it's from him. It was an astounding moment when we realized the connection..and without THIS list, Id never in a million years have met Lucy, nor bothered to even ask for the information, mostly because I did not know, that as a surviving child, I was entitled to ask for it. So, some of my life long yearnings have been fulfilled. It doesnt end here, as I said. Last summer, tragedy struck my family and my brother Dave was taken from us suddenly. I couldnt get a hold of my aunt and uncle who live just outside of London, in a small town, and here's where Lucy comes in again, to save the day...she generously wrote a letter of explanation and this letter was delivered by hand to my Aunt and Uncle's front door, for her mate just so happens to live in the same town. And if that isnt enough for you as to the weight of what this community means to many of us....our very own Willy the Shake grew up only a street away from another Aunti of mine, and he has more than once, hand delivered things to Eva for me. It's one small world...and this community is filled to the brim with life and love and caring. For those of you who dont like the mush and gush stories, sorry about that....but here it is for Kevin and others to see... Im privileged to be blessed with many life long friends as a result of my sitting down at my computer one April morning and typing into the search engine, Joni Mitchell. Friends who live in New England and many other parts of the US, and Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Europe, South America... and on and on it goes. People just like me, people who love Joni and her music, art, poetry and beyond. Ive learned more about Joni Mitchell and her work, than I ever would have, had I not signed in. There's much that goes on behind the scenes too, Kevin, so stick around a while and be patient. food for thought...indeed. Mags, who needs to go and finish cooking dinner with her husband who I also happened to meet as a result of this list. (enough?) ;-) np: the blender ;P ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #35 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)