From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #31 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 18 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 031 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Compilation Project Update (songs in chronolog. order) [Emiliano ] Re: "The Arrangement" now back to jc [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #14 now njc [Catherine McKay Subject: Joni Compilation Project Update (songs in chronolog. order) Song to a Seagull '68 2nd Fret sets Come to the sunshine ? (some intro) '68 2nd Fret sets Woodstock '69 Big Sur Woodstock (& intro) '69 Dick Cavett S Rainy NHouse /B. Boy '69 PBS California '70 w JT For Free '70 w JT Hunter '71 Blue outtake BSN '71? Folk. Tv, w Pete Seeger Blue (instr) w/ Paul Horn '74 Visions Dreamland '75 HOSL demoes Boho Dance '75 HOSL demoes In France. '75 HOSL demoes S&L '76 Philadelphia For free '76 Philadelphia Coyote/Don Juan's RD '76 Philadelphia T Wolf that lives Lindsay '78 Bread & Roses A Case of You '83 Refuge Wild Things. '83 Refuge Sweet Bird '83 Refuge talk intro asking for more light, before Edith... '83 Refuge God Must Be A Boogie Man '83 Refuge For Free '83 Refuge Chinese Cafi/ '83 Refuge Woodstock '83 Refuge Amelia '83 Refuge 3 Great Stimulants '86 Amnesty Int. #1 '86 Amnesty Int. #1 '87? Video Impossible Dreamer '88 Rock M. C. Dog Eat Dog '88 Rock M. C. 3 Great Stimulants '88 Rock M. C. Passion Play speechless '88 San Remo Lakota '88 San Remo *non* Sex Kills '94 Toronto Borderline '94 Troubadours Sweet Bird '95 Gene Autry Shades of Scarlett. '95 Gene Autry Moon at the Window '95 Gene Autry Sex Kills '95 JazzFest, NO Comes Love '98 PWW&M Trouble Man '98 Woodstock Sue's "You're a GENIUS!! '98 Woodstock Woodstock (& intro) '98 Woodstock Man from Mars '99 Grace. BSO BSN finale 00 All Stribute Judgement. 00 Camden For The Roses 00 Greek Moon at the Window MuchMusic? Love's cries MuchMusic? ah, remember, there are some mistakes, viva! Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:53:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: C&S in Grammy Hall of Fame **I assume Blue is already in ?** Assume no longer - Blue was inducted in 1999. "Both Sides Now" by Judy Collins was inducted last year. Joni's other Grammy recognitions: (if this doesn't through legibly you can go to www.Grammy.com and do a search on JM... (A sidenote...I REALLY think it's cool that Joni & Tom Scott won the Grammy for best arrangement for "Down To You". Grammy's made lots of royal screw-ups (Milli Vanilli anyone?) but sometimes they nail it) GRAMMY Winner Joni Mitchell,artist. Allen Sides & Geoff Foster,engineers/mixers. Joni Mitchell & Larry Klein,producers. Genre Trad Pop GRAMMY Category Best Traditional Pop Vocal Album Year 2000 - 43rd Annual GRAMMY Awards Title of the Work Both Sides Now Artist Performing Work Joni Mitchell GRAMMY Winner Joni Mitchell,artist. Joni Mitchell & Larry Klein,producers. Genre Pop GRAMMY Category Best Pop Album Year 1995 - 38th Annual GRAMMY Awards Title of the Work Turbulent Indigo Artist Performing Work Joni Mitchell GRAMMY Winner Joni Mitchell & Robbie Cavolina,art directors. Genre Packaging GRAMMY Category Best Recording Package Year 1995 - 38th Annual GRAMMY Awards Title of the Work Turbulent Indigo Artist Performing Work Joni Mitchell GRAMMY Winner Joni Mitchell & Tom Scott,arrangers. Genre Arranging GRAMMY Category Best Arrangement Accompanying Vocalists Year 1974 - 17th Annual GRAMMY Awards Title of the Work Down To You Artist Performing Work Joni Mitchell GRAMMY Winner Joni Mitchell,artist. Genre Folk GRAMMY Category Best Folk Performance Year 1969 - 12th Annual GRAMMY Awards Title of the Work Clouds Artist Performing Work Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:54:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Person-to-person posts (njc) --- Kate Bennett wrote: > >because you might not have the birthday child's > e-mail address. < > > That is why I often post to the list (being on > digest) , rather than > trying to find a current email... SO...if someone > is making a b'day > announcment, maybe they can include the email in the > post & that would > help ... > Back in the heydey of the great, noble and somewhat hairy Birthday Fairy (come back, o winged one!), the BF usually sent the e-mail to both the list and the boithday child, unless the BF didn't happen to have it for some reason. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:02:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "The Arrangement" now back to jc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > to do what they really wanted to do all along, > except now they're kind > of old and maybe it's too late.< > > I've been thinking about this idea lately as I talk > to people who fall > into one of two camps...one being 'its never too > late' & the other being > 'its too late'... I am in the first camp I guess > because to me, life is > a process, not a product (for the most part)...to > me, the people in the > first camp seem much happier...the others seem more > resigned... > > Any comments? I also believe it's never too late to change or try new things. You're going to get old and die anyway, so you might as well do something you've always wanted to do and then get old and die ;-) I think often people just give up trying because maybe they're so caught up in a lifestyle that they *feel* they can't change. I'm wondering if The Arrangement guy is actually dying, or just feels like he's dying. What does Joni mean when she says, "Lying in some room trying to die?" I always thought she meant he was feeling depressed enough or stuck-in-a-rut enough to want to die, but passively, like maybe of boredom. Now I'm wondering if he's not literally dying, either because now he's sick and dying in some (hospital) room, or maybe he has attempted suicide or something. On the other hand, maybe I'm trying to read too much into it. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:02:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "The Arrangement" now back to jc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > to do what they really wanted to do all along, > except now they're kind > of old and maybe it's too late.< > > I've been thinking about this idea lately as I talk > to people who fall > into one of two camps...one being 'its never too > late' & the other being > 'its too late'... I am in the first camp I guess > because to me, life is > a process, not a product (for the most part)...to > me, the people in the > first camp seem much happier...the others seem more > resigned... > > Any comments? I also believe it's never too late to change or try new things. You're going to get old and die anyway, so you might as well do something you've always wanted to do and then get old and die ;-) I think often people just give up trying because maybe they're so caught up in a lifestyle that they *feel* they can't change. I'm wondering if The Arrangement guy is actually dying, or just feels like he's dying. What does Joni mean when she says, "Lying in some room trying to die?" I always thought she meant he was feeling depressed enough or stuck-in-a-rut enough to want to die, but passively, like maybe of boredom. Now I'm wondering if he's not literally dying, either because now he's sick and dying in some (hospital) room, or maybe he has attempted suicide or something. On the other hand, maybe I'm trying to read too much into it. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:11:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "The Arrangement" now back to jc **I'm wondering if The Arrangement guy is actually dying, or just feels like he's dying. ** Well, given that Joni wrote this not independently but rather specifically for the film, let's look at the synopsis of the film's plot and see. I would say that at least originally it would be the former. I haven't seen this film so perhaps someone who has can offer up some insights. From The All-Movie Guide: Kirk Douglas has an extreme case of mid-life crisis in Elia Kazan's turgid melodrama (adapted from his best-selling novel). Douglas plays successful advertising executive Eddie Anderson, who cracks under the strain of the morning rush hour in Los Angeles and plows his sports car into a truck. Landing in a convalescent home, Eddie remains mute to everyone except his boss Finnegan (Charles Drake). In his recovery room, Eddie dreams about co-worker Gwen (Faye Dunaway), a sexy research assistant at his agency. Meanwhile, the psychiatrist Dr. Liebman (Harold Gould) talks to Eddie's wife, Florence (Deborah Kerr), who reveals that at one time Eddie and Gwen had an affair, but they broke it off. Unfortunately, after that escapade, Eddie's interest in sex vanished completely. Then after the interview with Dr. Liebman, following a terrible nightmare, Eddie breaks out of his self-imposed silence and declares to Florence that he is tired of his unfulfilling life of "arrangements." Eddie returns to work, but the return is marked by Eddie insulting a major client, alienating his co-workers, and then taking off in a private plane in which he flies madly over the skies of L.A. His lawyer Arthur (Hume Cronyn) keeps Eddie from being thrown in jail and also talks Eddie into giving Florence the power of attorney. Eddie proceeds to travel to New York, where he runs into Gwen, who now has a child. Eddie is in New York to visit his senile father, Sam (Richard Boone), but when his family attempts to put Sam in a nursing home, Eddie takes him away with him to their old family estate on Long Island. Eddie calls up Gwen, and she travels to Long Island to resume their affair. Meanwhile, Eddie's loved ones search for Sam, and they are closing in on Eddie's Long Island sanctuary. Bob NP: Joe Henry live on KCRW...man he's great. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:11:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Friday at the music circus njc Last minute jeff & I decided to venture down to the annual winter NAMM convention (a music industry trade show) in anaheim... Met my friend joyce there & jeff's son who is a young guitar player who emulates stevie ray vaughn & jimi hendrix above all others... It is quite appropriate that this show takes place across the street from disneyland for indeed it is like disneyland for music lovers... All kinds of music, all kinds of dress & hair from 3 piece suits to green mohawk spikes...We had an opportunity to hook up with mr paz (who actually attends on business as opposed to us who just like the fun of it all) near the john lennon bus & later in the garrison guitar room... Darice, I met your friend there who worked for bgp & saw her incredible photos...she spoke glowingly of you! Started & ended the day in the taylor guitar suite with its guitar covered walls, inviting cushy leather couches, red licorice candy & really really nice employees who are all musicians themselves...taylor is where everyone I know ends up when they are burned out from the huge convention & want to hear some top notch performers on incredible sounding instruments...or just kick back in some comfy chairs...my favorite is always doyle dykes who plays acoustic guitar like nobody can! Ran in to all sorts of friends from home & elsewhere... Went to the evening show at the hilton & got to hear an amazing young blues player from portand named david jacobs-strain who, to me, carried an emotional authenticity to his singing that few white kids can do...he really captured me & I am not easily captured by the blues... Also on the bill were eric johnson who is really who we went to hear, especially jeff's son... I thought he was great- he played an acoustic set & sang...everyone else liked him less than I did but oh well...my friend said he reminded her of donovan! The surprise hit of the evening (for me) was john sebastian...the last time I saw him (playing with artie traum & jeff pevar in the taylor room at NAMM) he had lost his voice...this time he sang & played solo... He was actually not on the bill & was asked to play last minute...what was soooo cool for me was that he played so many of his loving spoonful songs...i'd forgotten how many of those I loved...when a drummer came up & he launched into the riff for 'summer in the city' I screamed...yes, I admit it...i have not done this since I was a teen watching the beatles on tv but it just escaped out of my mouth! this happens to be one of my all time favorite songs from my summer carefree days (along with the kinks lazy afternoon) so to hear it live & not expect it coming...well, it is now one f the highpoints of my music concert going life... Outside the concert I picked up something I could not resist (courtesy of acoustic guitar mag- so maybe you can get one via their website)- a license plate holder thingy that says 'I'd rather being playing my acoustic guitar' We didn't run into paz again or get a chance to see julius who it was rumored to be in the vicinity...but I hope they all had/are still having a fun time! We made it back home in record time & bed never felt so comfy... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:24:31 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #14 now njc --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > > I've had such great memories of > "discovering" things, be they > songs, albums or old comic books. It has something > to do with the > "unexpected" aspect of it all... such a surprise yet > profound impression. > I get a similar, perhaps less extreme, feeling > when turning on the car > radio and hearing a favorite song and getting all > excited even though I could > have easilly popped in a tape or CD and chose to > play it at any time because I > already love it/own it. Funny how that is, eh? I do that too. It's like, "Yeah, that's MY song they're playing on the radio!" My daughter does that too. If I'm driving her to school and one of her favourite songs is playing on the radio, she won't get out of the car until the song is finished - even though she owns the CD - so I kick her out ;-) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:51:15 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: "The Arrangement" now back to jc >I'm wondering if The Arrangemenjcguy is actually >dying, or just feels like he's dying. What does Joni >mean when she says, "Lying in some room trying to >die?" I always thought she meant he was feeling >depressed enough or stuck-in-a-rut enough to want to >die, but passively, like maybe of boredom. Now I'm >wondering if he's not literally dying, either because >now he's sick and dying in some (hospital) room, or >maybe he has attempted suicide or something. On the >other hand, maybe I'm trying to read too much into it. I think the guy is just depressed. If one were literally dying they would not have to try. The few times in my life when I was depressed (always able to pull myself out of it) I would lie in bed and there would be two imaginary buttons. Button one...my life would continue...no miracles promised.. just that I would continue to breath. Button two...life would cease... I would stare at these buttons..which to choose..which to choose. ...which one do I push.... Anyway....this came to mind reading these posts on "The Arrangement" Bree np: Stay in touch....OH!! stay in touch... ' >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:09:38 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #30 - Grammy H of F In a message dated 1/17/2004 5:54:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > From: Bobsart48@aol.com > Subject: Re: C&S in Grammy Hall of Fame > > Excellent choice - well deserved. > > I assume Blue is already in ? > > Hejira and S&L should get in, too, IMO. > I think in order to be "inducted" into the Grammy Hall of Fame, the work has to have been a previous Grammy winner....but I'll have to check into that to be sure. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:23:51 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 18 1974: Joni performed at the Kiel Opera House in St. Louis on the first date of her tour with the LA Express. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=297 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=817 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:23:51 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 18 On January 18 the following articles were published: 1988: "California Weather" - CBS Evening News (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=910 1998: "Rock's Fab Fiftysomethings" - New York Daily News (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=219 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #31 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)