From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #29 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 17 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 029 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Play the "Joni's Political Lyrics" game! [Deb Messling ] Joni's song, "The Arrangement" [simon@icu.com] re: Play the Joni's politcal lyrics game ["mia ortlieb" ] A Claud9 original poster, njc technically ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: STAS or JM ["Lori Fye" ] Speaking of "The 'L' Word" ... ["Lori Fye" ] Oops - sorry ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's song, "The Arrangement" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ttt ["mackoliver" ] Fwd: A Claud9 original poster ["Lori Fye" ] Re: ttt ["Lori Fye" ] Re: political posts (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: ttt ["mackoliver" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #28 [russell brooker ] Re: Joni's guitar playing and the name of her first album [Randy Remote <] Re: ttt [Neil Orts ] Re: STAS or JM [Neil Orts ] Today's Library Links: January 17 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:19:18 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Play the "Joni's Political Lyrics" game! Just so we don't assume that each and every one of Joni's political observations is traditionally liberal, look at this from Three Great Stimulants: I saw a little lawyer on the tube He said "It's so easy now anyone can sue" "Let me show you how your petty aggravations can profit you!" This can be interpreted as supporting the Republican position on "tort reform," the movement to limit people's ability to sue. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:30:10 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Mitchell v. State Board of Equalization, 2nd Cir., No. B036082 Speaking of lawsuits, I think Les should try to drum up the above referenced court decision (giving Joni half a million in back taxes) for our articles database. I'm sure it would be fascinating reading. Contract law always makes fascinating reading. zzzzzzzzz - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:13:05 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Fw: Play the "Joni's Political Lyrics" game! = longish hi >>>>>bob wrote >>>>>Subject: Re: Play the "Joni's Political Lyrics" game! this sounds interesting !!!! one of the major factors which keep me hooked on joni's music is the depth of personal emotion and experience and feelings, and the precise manner in which she sums them up - she seems to be able to say so much so concisely, so that the more you think about it and work on it, the better you get what she is saying. in her earlier works, there is political content, but it seems to me that it is not as prevalent as her later work. and what there is seems to be more personal, becoming less personal as time passes. ok - perhaps she is just becoming more politically aware as she gets older, but it seems to me that she actually lost a lot in the growing up. examples: from "cactus tree" - "theres a man who sends her medals, he is bleeding from the war" no political rhetoric - just reduced to one person, and how he has suffered. one line - makes you think & fill in the gaps. from: "fiddle and the drum" ok - i would have to quote the entire lyric here :-) but the entire song is about the feeling of betrayal, mistrust and misunderstanding by johnny/america. again - no rhetoric or politicizing - just the simple, honest and unpretentious statement of how she feels. great stuff - joni at her best. from "california" "Reading the news and it sure looks bad, They won't give peace a chance, That was just a dream some of us had" disillusionment setting in. then on it goes to "More about the war, And the bloody changes, Oh will you take me as I am? " still that oh so honest personal response. from "goodbye pork pie hat" "When the bandstands had a thousand ways, Of refusing a black man admission, Black musician, In those days they put him in an Underdog position" still very personal, but not personal to her - more her identifying with someone elses experiences and feelings. and of course she comes up with the wonderful line, which, while very political, and also becoming a bit harsher than previously, is also a wonderful observation of why people do strange things politically "The sidewalk is a history book, And a circus, Dangerous clowns, Balancing dreadful and wonderful perceptions, They have been handed, Day by day, Generations on down" "dreadful and wonderful perceptions" - how great is that !!!!!! from "ethiopia" ok - again i would have to quote the entire lyric - but where is the personalness (not sure if thats a real word??) and indivdual response seen in the earlier songs. imho this lyrics is absolutely no where near the standard of the tracks mentioned above. it doesnt draw me in, it doesnt involve, theres just nothing personal about it. then from "sex kills" "Is justice just ice?, Governed by greed and lust?, Just the strong doing what they can, And the weak suffering what they must?, And the gas leaks, And the oil spills" i was actually quite shocked when i first heard this track. ackk, phooey!!!! :-) im not quite so put off by it now, but just contrast it with the incredible and moving "magdalene laundries" on the same album - who can fail to be pulled in, involved, moved, shocked, and ultimately saddened by such an intense and personal song (especially as sung by les ross!!!). joni at her best again!!! from "no apologies" "Tireskids and teethmarks, What happened to this place?, Lawyers and loan sharks, Are laying America to waste" musically - i love this song. love the flow of it, the feel of the music. but again - i dont find the lyrics to be as personal and moving - nope - doesnt work on that level. ive never actually sat down and thought about this before - its really just an impression which i am for the first time trying to put into some coherent (hopefully) words - so perhaps im wrong. any and all thoughts on the topic would be gratefully welcomed :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:11:04 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: on inventing chords Rick wrote: "Don't you find it interesting that there so many successful artists who were self-taught on the guitar? Joni, Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, Wynonna Judd" I didn't know about those others (besides Joni). Thanks for sharing that bit of info! I wonder how many other successful artists were self-taught? Mia _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:13:07 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Joni's song, "The Arrangement" earlier today, Bob wrote wondering about the song "The Arrangement" > I know it's been mentioned before, but didn't Joni write this > for inclusion in the 1969 Elia Kazan film by the same name? > > Reading a synopsis of the film it would seem that it would > HAVE to be so, just as her "Midnight Cowboy" was written > for that film but never used. well i don't know about "it would HAVE to be so" BUT ... Yes! Joni did write "The Arrangement" for Elia Kazan's film of the same name. she also wrote "The Midnight Cowboy Song" for the film "Midnight Cowboy". what's not widely know is that Joni actually wrote "Songs To Aging Children" *for* the film "Alice's Restaurant". they didn't just use a pre-existing song. songs written for films are *not* used for a variety of reasons. for example ... "Man From Mars" written for the film "Grace Of My Heart", was originally going to be used at the end of the film, during the credits. at some point in the production Allison Anders, the director, decided to move the song up into the body of the film. with that decision, it made sense to have the song sung 'in the voice of the character', and that was Kristen Vigard. so ... Larry Klein, music producer, went back into the studio and had Kristen record a new vocal on one of the 'unused tracks' accompanied by Joni's original instrumental backing track. andmoreagain, - ------------------- simon PS: our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. MLK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:37:08 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Play the Joni's politcal lyrics game Is there a limit? I'm on digest, so these may have been mentioned already, but here are my favorites: Two from TAX FREE: "You get witch-hunts and wars When church and state hold hands" and "How can he speak for the Prince of Peace When he's hawk right militant" These comments clearly reflect the hypocrisy that exists in theerealm of politics and religion. From THE SIRE OF SORROW: "And you let the wicked prosper You let their children frisk like deer" Has God failed, or has politics failed? Brings on questions surrounding freedom of the will. From NO APOLOGIES: "As druglords buy up the banks And warlords radiate the oceans" OMG!! How depressing is this? Mia _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software  optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:24:46 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Pick a category, any category (NJC) The "alternative" category is a generational, marketing one. The fifties ended with the Beach Boys. From the Beatles through Springsteen are Classic Rock. Peter Gabriel's old band, "Genesis" might be in either Classic Rock/Progressive or "Alternative/Progressive". Around then, the radio began to diverge into splintered specialties, and MTV brought us music videos much more frequently. Someone decide it was time to draw a line between Skiffle/Garage Band on the one hand and the music of a new (marketing) generation on the other. In my mind, from the beginning of Gabriel's solo career onward, we were in the era of the alternative thang. The Clash is Alternative. Laurie Anderson is alternative. The Police are alternative and anyone from then on, regardless of their demenor, is Alternative. Prince? That's easy- Alternative. In this light, Tori and Alanis are alternative. I think Pearl Jam straddles the classic rock/alternative demarcation more than anyone else. Generationally, they're not a 60s garage band but their sound is "way" old school. Maybe Seattle Grunge was the end of Alternative. I think the hip-hop/rap things have ushered in a new era. These are just my two cents. I don't have enforcement powers or anything. :) Lurking but not dozing, Jim L'Hommedieu >anima_rising@yahoo.ca> >Someone already mentioned about Tori Amos being in the alternative/punk category. The whole "alternative" thing is confusing to me. The catalogue in front of me has groups and people like Pearl Jam, Oasis and The Clash in there; but it also has Jason Mraz, Sarah McLachlan and Dido in the same category. I don't get it.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:50:07 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: STAS or JM << rom: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni's guitar playing and the name of her first album Oh no, the STAS controversy again! ... ...I understand that in the late 90s, the CD was re-released with STAS as its official title, but I haven't seen it. Supposedly the sound's better, too. Can anyone verify that? Deb Messling -^..^- >> I don't know, Deb... I've got a pretty recent CD version and it says "Joni Mitchell" on the front & side as its title. I always thought that the members of the JMDL were using STAS as the title just because it was more "fitting" than JM. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:19:20 +1100 From: "Evan and Vanessa Thomson" Subject: Re: political posts (NJC) Debra wrote: > Les, I've been thinking more about the additional filter idea, and I'm > going to change my mind about it. I think the PC filter may be worth a > try, if smoe is willing to do it. From what I've seen, people don't take > part in political discussions as much as people did in the past, and I > usually stay quieter about such things also, but find it hard to resist > trying to counter such provocative (to me) comments like the Nazis were > Socialists or Bush is doing everything well and honestly etc. But, even > though people are more restrained (usually), I think we could all agree > that things are going to heat up here in the U.S. with the elections > coming up in November and feelings will run high, and it would be good > to be able to speak about it without offending people who are not at all > interested in politics, but who would still like to be part of other > non-Joni discussions. I just find that as a non US JMDLer that sometimes the political issues are more US politics and I find it a little tiresome to read. Being on digest makes it a little harder at times to endlessly scroll through each digest/post looking for the non political emails to read. Please don't get me wrong... it's not an anti US or political sentiment I'm expressing rather that I do enjoy NJC topics (- one of may favourite threads was what kd Lang wore to the Joni tribute!) but receiving 5 digests in one day and nearly the whole digest primarily political "discussions" with long posts can be disheartening. I just wonder how people would feel if Australian/New Zealander/Bolivian politics was discussed to this depth and breadth for so many posts and only a few participants involved? Mind you discussing Little Johnny Howard is no great thrill! As a lurker, digest receiver, Australian citizen and non political chatter I'm not offended by the posts on politics but I just find them tiresome. I'm all for posting about whatever people want I do feel that commenting on social issues, current events and so forth *is* relevant to Joni's music... I guess I just feel that sometimes I wish the threads didn't go for so long. I am happy to go with whatever people decide on - I will continue to scroll through and delete all posts that don't interest me. So... what's kd been wearing lately? Vanessa NP: The twins crying their chicken poxed hearts out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:21:25 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: A Claud9 original poster, njc technically I finally got around to framing the 2003 JoniFest poster, designed by Claud9. The poster is presented in miniature at: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/store.cfm There may still be a few available because it is still listed in the JMDL store. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu PS, Looking for the JMDL store's location, I found a post from last summer about the JoniFest in New York state, USA. I said: >Lama: I don't know who I'm writing this FOR so I suppose I'm breaking the first rule taught in Lit class. Anyway, Sugarpants kicked it up into the realm of experimental theatre this year and it was very, very funny! I don't think anyone has yet told the story yet so I'll do it now. Sugarpants presented a beat poetry session this year. The premise was to present Catherine McKay's re-write of "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow". The women filed in, dressed all in black, complete with dark sunglasses, looking exactly as you would expect beat poets to look. After reciting a few lines, each woman would look expectantly at Murphy who was the requisite percussionist, yet not a full-fledged member of Sugarpants. (an associate member? the men's auxiliary?) He'd grok the moment, and when the Spirit moved him, he struck Paz'es Cajon drum once. Just once. Verse after verse unreeled as a mute, played by Ashara (with a huge patch of duct tape over her mouth), signed for the hearing impaired. Because, after all, JoniFest is an inclusive bunch. After the line about "your man gets weak", Murphy gave an appropriately weak, half-hearted, "thuck" on the Cajon. In Mitchell-esque contradiction, it was the mute who had the best line of all. She had been signing along in double-time, breaking a sweat, frantic to keep up. On the lines "Milk of the Madonna / clan-des-tine" she snapped, "NO **WAY**! I'VE HAD IT! I'M NOT GOING TO SIGN 'milk of the Madonna!" and stalked off. I love the in-jokes among the musicians too. Queen Lucy is a master of accents and has a novelists command of detail. In a brilliant stroke, she followed a smutty joke about an upper-class woman with a touching song about those less fortunate. The song was "The Streets of London". Being completely comfortable with story-telling AND a microphone, Lucy announced that she was going to play the song but didn't quite know all of the chords. But she intended to play it anyway. Sure enough, on the refrain, there was one clinker. On the second pass, Lucy guessed, "G7, I *think*." :) You had to be there and next year, you'll have a chance. So, I guess I was writing for all of the non-attendants, right?> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:29:51 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Pick a category, any category (NJC) Lama wrote: > I think the hip-hop/rap things have ushered in a new era. Eeeek! No. Please. And is it necessary to replace your car's backseat with sonic boom? Honestly, I think I like maybe two hip-hop/rap things > These are just my two cents. I don't have enforcement powers or > anything. If you did, how would you use them? Lori ;~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:54:39 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: RE: NJC - Houston Dear Neil, I am glad that you brought this up. I just looked at the Houston Press which has so much entertainment info. for our town, and didn't see one single thing about smoke free in clubs. Restaurants and public office-type buildings now have a law about smoking, but I am pretty sure that bars do not. Please check local publications to be sure. I am still a smoker, yet I walked into a restaurant recently where the bar was situated directly off the entrance and with no ventilation all the smoke hit you in the face the minute you walked in. I'll be on the look out for smoke-free places from now on. db >>> Neil Orts 01/16/04 2:32 PM >>> I miss the Austin music world . . . keep in touch with a couple of musicians that I used to follow closely. (Check out Jeff Talmadge -- he just moved to Georgia, but his CDs are available via CDBaby, last I knew.) I would go to coffee houses around town and sit with my notebooks, writing while inspired by the energy of the live music. While in Chicago, I got to see a little live music, but not nearly as much . . .and I'm afraid I'll have similar experience here in Houston. In Austin, there was so much live music available that it overflowed into the smoke-free establishments (THE thing i miss most about Austin, maybe) and in Chicago the smoke free music venue was few and far between. I haven't had a chance to look around Houston much yet, but I'm suspecting it's much the same. I could be wrong. The smoke free thing is important because whenever I'm in a smokey environment, i have such an allergy reaction that I can suffer for days (a couple of times weeks) afterwards. It's just not worth it. This is, of course, the only reason I can't hang out with Joni . . . Anyway, if anyone knows of a smokefree coffee house or somesuch in houston, do let me know! - -Neil This message has been scanned by the E250. Warning! This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it, may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify me by telephone (numbers above) and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them. Thank you. <<<>>> This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:40:43 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: STAS or JM Kenny B wrote: > I always thought that the members of the JMDL were using STAS as the > title just because it was more "fitting" than JM. I like to refer to it as STAS because Joni named it that, even if the goofs in the graphics department didn't realize it. I can so clearly remember sitting on the floor of my bedroom in Phoenix, studying the cover of the record that I had recently bought at a used store near the university, and realizing that those seagulls spelled something. (And wondering, "Why was the 'L' cut off?") I was 21 and had been listening to Joni for just two years. I wish I could relive the majic of discovering each of Joni's recordings, in random order, again. What sheer joy! Lori :~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:49:23 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Speaking of "The 'L' Word" ... For those who haven't heard and may be interested (and for anyone who appreciates a reminder), a new series called "The 'L' Word" about a group of lesbian friends in LA will premiere on Showtime this Sunday, Jan 18, at 10pm ET/PT. Jennifer Beals of "Flashdance" fame is a cast regular. It looks to be a thoughtfully written and produced show. http://www.sho.com/site/lword/home.do Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:51:16 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Oops - sorry My most sincere apology to the only-Joni folks for omitting the N*JC tag on that last post. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:52:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's song, "The Arrangement" **Joni did write "The Arrangement" for Elia Kazan's film of the same name. she also wrote "The Midnight Cowboy Song" for the film "Midnight Cowboy".** Thanks for verifying my suspicions, Simon. What is your statement based on? Not that I'm doubting you, because I don't. I'm just curious as to the confirming source. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:51:30 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: ttt Another jewel in the collection of our joan have I just come upon. This effort is too grand. Feel as if I have found something that was a secret as haven't heard much about it. Enchanted. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:57:33 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Fwd: A Claud9 original poster I hope no one minds if I forward this without the n*jc tag. Although it is Fest-related, it does include a wonderful image of Joni and it's just a cool and beautiful poster besides. (If someone does mind, well, sue me!) - Lori : ) - -------------------------------- Date: 1/16/2004 23:21:25 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: A Claud9 original poster, n*jc technically I finally got around to framing the 2003 JoniFest poster, designed by Claud9. The poster is presented in miniature at: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/store.cfm There may still be a few available because it is still listed in the JMDL store. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:02:09 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: ttt > Another jewel in the collection of our joan have I just come upon. > This effort is too grand. Feel as if I have found something that was > a secret as haven't heard much about it. Enchanted. Really, Mack? Which song(s) do you like best? Why? TTT is one that I play only occasionally, although (like CMIAR) when I do play it I realize that I enjoy it very much. I do wish Joni had (or could have) used the VG-8 less, though. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:07:47 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: political posts (NJC) > I just wonder how people would feel if Australian/New > Zealander/Bolivian politics was discussed to this depth and breadth > for so many posts and only a few participants involved? Vanessa, that is an excellent point! It is presumptuous and a bit arrogant (seeming, anyway) for us Americans to assume many of the things we do. Lori, still red-faced over her recent un-tagged post ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:26:54 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: ttt Lori asked? > Really, Mack? Which song(s) do you like best? Why? I don't even know what the VG-8 is Lori. ha ha. The two tunes that stand out for me at this point are 'man from mars' and 'stay in touch.' The lyrics are so poignant and the resonance in Joni's voice is so lovely. Such emotion and I just realized she sounds much, on this album, as she did on TI. I have allowed many friends, dear ones, to fall away and have lost touch with them over the years. 'stay in touch' brings those emotions to the fore, of loss and wishing they were with me now. It initially and still does remind me of our, my, dear Bree. The attraction for me, generally and the dominating factor, in and with music is the emotional response it generates within me. This album does that to a great degree. Ever enchanted will I be I do believe. mack > > TTT is one that I play only occasionally, although (like CMIAR) when I > do play it I realize that I enjoy it very much. I do wish Joni had (or > could have) used the VG-8 less, though. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:53:15 -0800 (PST) From: russell brooker Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #28 Hello Loves, If we're going to talk about Joni... Wellt then let's talk about Joni... Not your daily lives, I've got so much on the ball about that... But let's talk about Joni. Please. I beseech you. As a planet, now. "Both Planets, Now". OK! We Did It! Finally, My troth to you... Let's talk about "Our Girl..." "Yes we always do..." Not even "Sometimes" Your Friend In Joan Anderson... Russell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:52:10 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's guitar playing and the name of her first album Deb Messling wrote: > I understand that in the late 90s, the CD was re-released with STAS as its > official title, but I haven't seen it. Supposedly the sound's better, > too. Can anyone verify that? Yes, the HDCD remastered version sounds better than any version before it. The original masters were muddy and noise-laden. David Crosby has admitted to being responsible for this, as producer of that album. The remaster fixed these problems and resulted in a very clean and pristine sound, IMO. The other album that was noticeably improved in the HDCD version is C&S. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:29:28 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Orts Subject: Re: ttt - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > TTT is one that I play only occasionally, although > (like CMIAR) when I > do play it I realize that I enjoy it very much. I > do wish Joni had (or > could have) used the VG-8 less, though. I'm with Lori on this one. I was disappointed with TTT when it first came out. There are a a couple of tracks on it that come to mind that I really really liked. (The opening track, the title I forget just now, which somehow reminds me of Hissing of Summer Lawns--the album, not necessarily the song--and "Crazy Cries of Love") but as a whole I didn't like the VG-8 sound, either. And I just felt to take her arguments with her mother so public on "Happiness is the Best Facelift" to be . . . somewhere in the spectrum of cruel, unfair, in poor taste. (I also feel like it's one of the clunkier melodies in her catalog--and I've listened to Mingus! :) But I haven't put in on in months and months. I didn't like Hejira for a long time and then didn't stop listening to it for about a year. So who knows . . . - -Neil he of changeable mind ===== Neil Ellis Orts 713-838-1787 Houston, TX keep up with my creative endeavors--join my newsletter list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neonews ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:34:10 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Orts Subject: Re: STAS or JM - --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > I don't know, Deb... I've got a pretty recent CD > version and it says > "Joni Mitchell" on the front & side as its title. I > always thought that the > members of the JMDL were using STAS as the title > just because it was more "fitting" > than JM. My CD, purchased about 3 years ago (?), has STAS on the "spine." The cover even gets the whole title on the cover art. :) - -Neil ===== Neil Ellis Orts 713-838-1787 Houston, TX keep up with my creative endeavors--join my newsletter list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neonews ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 02:33:00 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 17 On January 17 the following article was published: 1976: "Joni Mitchell World Tour To Follow U.S. College Gigs" - Cashbox (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=644 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #29 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)