From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #19 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 13 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 019 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: On Inventing chords/ njc [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: On Inventing chords [Catherine McKay ] Re: On Inventing chords/ njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Finding the "1" (was: John Guerin) [] Re: Patrick's accusations part 1- njc ["kakki" ] Today's Library Links: January 13 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Patrick's accusations part 2 - njc ["kakki" ] re: guitar tunings ["Bill Bubb" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:10:29 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: On Inventing chords/ njc In a message dated 1/12/2004 9:55:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: I think it was Rachmaninoff that had such long fingers that enabled him to span the keys the way he did. Not totally sure, I think I remember reading that somewhere. And Joni herself said, in those snippets of interviews posted to the list last week, that "my music is steeped in Rachmaninoff, Chopin..." etc. was it David Crosby who said she's humble as Mussolini? LOL I find her piano stuff doesn't require particularly long fingers, but I do need nimble fingers as many of her chords contain clusters of notes that are very close together, practically on top of one another. If you transcribe Last Chance Lost onto the piano (and I'm sure many of you LCL haters are asking "why would you do that?") the notes in the chords are so tightly wound that you could play them with mittens on and still get it right. Ken np-the dreaded flu of 2004 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:13:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: On Inventing chords --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > Perhaps Rick means that Joni "invented" numerous > guitar TUNINGS, which is > an art in itself as you're not playing notes where > they would normally be > played in conventional tunings... is this correct, > all you guitarists out there? Yes, that's it. Once you get the Joni tunings in place, then playing her chords is fairly simple. Most involve only one or two fingers pressing down any string, or a barre straight across all or some of the strings. Normally barre chords are a pain to play (for me, they are, anyway and many people find them difficult as well - I get cramps in my hands from this!) but if it's JUST a barre with no other fingers pressed down, or only one, then it's not so bad. And the patterning of which left-hand fingers are pressing down on strings, and in which shape, repeats as well; so, once you've got one or two chord shapes in any one tuning, from there it's usually just a matter of moving up and down the frets of the guitar, creating some great-sounding chords with not a whole lot of effort on the part of the left hand. (On the other hand, SOOOOooo many tunings, so little time!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:35:25 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: On Inventing chords/ njc --- KJHSF@aol.com wrote: > If you transcribe Last > Chance Lost onto the piano (and I'm sure many of you > LCL haters are asking > "why would you do that?") the notes in the chords > are so tightly wound that you > could play them with mittens on and still get it > right. > > Ken > np-the dreaded flu of 2004 I'm imaging that and it sounds very nice in my head. I wish I could play piano better than I do. Do you have the flu? Poor you - get better soon! (i had my flu shot and hope it helps, given the flu that actually did show up wasn't one of the ones they were expecting.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:42:01 -0600 From: Subject: RE: Finding the "1" (was: John Guerin) Scott Price wrote: "Agreed...the "one" she refers to is the first beat of the measure, but seeing as how Joni is no stranger to metaphor I'll also toss in that I believe she was thanking him not only for his musical guidance, but personal contentment as well." Yeah, that last is what I thought, too (see my post of yesterday). It seemed to be very much a dual-purpose "thank you." Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:33:12 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Patrick's accusations part 1- njc I am sorry to annoy people here so please just delete but I guess I have a pathetic (masochistic at this point), need to defend myself. Patrick wrote: > just to prove i'm not imagining this pattern of lying, here's an egregious > previous lie. in december, kakki wrote a post to this list comparing wesley > clark's (and bill clinton's) balkan war campaign with the iraq war. she > claimed that there were more than 400 american deaths in the balkan war, > drawing a comparison with the iraq statistics. (as we all know, there are > more than 400 american deaths so far in the iraq war; the number was > particularly in the new in early december) > > guess how many americans died in the balkan campaign... > > 0 (zero) > > 0 (zero) > > was kakki's generation of 400 plus american deaths that didn't really happen > in the balkan war just a matter of opinion? no, it was a lie. Here is an excerpt of what I wrote and it can be found in the archives at http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2003.n608 There is no mention of Wes Clark and no mention of American deaths. Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:39:32 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Socialism. Now fascism njc very long! Excerpt: "Clinton also bombed Baghdad and put our troops in the Balkans where many more civilians were killed than in Iraq." End excerpt. Civilians to me mean native, non-military and non-American citizens. I will address the other accusations later. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:09:08 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 13 On January 13 the following articles were published: 1975: "Studio Star" - Newsweek (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1121 1980: "Another Hyphen for Joni Mitchell" - Los Angeles Times (News Item, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=158 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:15:39 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Patrick's accusations part 2 - njc This is obnoxiously long but the last one. Patrick wrote: > kakki mentioned, not once, but twice, intelligence that was supposedly > "quashed" (that is a very strong word) under the clinton administration and > she was referring (both times) to something that happened well into bush, > and may well have happened only because of the bush admin's policies. what > kakki did is called 'lying' and i don't think it's acceptable. and i don't > think it's 'going too far' to point that out. Intelligence was not passed along in the years prior to Bush's administration. I clearly stated what I was recalling and I also indicated I needed to do more research. I have done so now and have posted *excerpts* from several news sources that support some of my recollection. If you read carefully, you will see a lot of what I recalled and speculated was accurate. I have not posted internet links from sources I got from Nexis because they are all not still archived (as far as I could find) online. You are free to do your own Nexis search. The bottom line, based on testimony and evidence at the Congressional hearings, is that intelligence agencies going back to 1998 did not pass along information or share information appropriately and one of the most significant and detailed reports from 1999 was not provided to Bush in the August 2001 briefing. The Phoenix memo from July 2001 (which I mentioned recalling) also went unnoticed until after 9/11. I have been unable to find how far up Rowley's May 2001 memo was passed along but below is information that an agent in her office passed along information in early September 2001 that was never provided to the Counterterrorism Security Group at the White House. September 11 warnings: Who knew what, and when? May 24, 2002 Posted: 7:54 p.m. EDT (2354 GMT) Ken Williams, FBI agent who wrote the "Phoenix" memo - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The administration touched off the debate when it acknowledged that President Bush received an eleven-and-a half page report on al Qaeda during his August 6 daily intelligence briefing, known as the Presidential Daily Br ief. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice stressed to the media that the briefing was an "analytic report" that mentioned hijackings but in the traditional sense. "Hijacking before 9/11 and hijacking after 9/11 mean two very different things," she said. (Transcript of Rice's comments) But warnings of al Qaeda attacks on the United States began as far back as 1995, when an accomplice of Ramzi Yousef -- mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing -- told Philippine authorities that he learned to fly at U.S. flight schools and had plotted to hijack an aircraft and crash it into the Central Intelligence Agency's Langley, Virginia, headquarters. (Timeline) Another disclosure was a memo written by an FBI agent in Phoenix, Arizona, that theorized Middle Eastern students at an Arizona flight school could be al Qaeda agents in training for hijackings. Agent Ken Williams sent it to the counterterrorism division at the FBI's Washington headquarters, where analysts reviewed the memo but deferred any action. The White House was never informed about the memo before September 11. FBI Director Robert Mueller and Attorney General John Ashcroft were told of it in the days after the attacks. Its existence was first reported by The Associated Press. Williams, accompanied by Mueller, went to Capitol Hill on May 21 for a closed-door meeting with members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. (Full story) Another newly revealed FBI memo concerns Zacarias Moussaoui, the suspected "20th hijacker." In early September 2001, an FBI agent in Minneapolis speculated that Moussaoui might be the type of person who could fly an airplane into the World Trade Center. The FBI had notified the CIA about Moussaoui but neither agency informed the Counterterrorism Security Group at the White House. Moussaoui was arrested on August 16 after a Minnesota flight school notified the FBI about him, saying Moussaoui wanted to learn how to fly, but not land, a 747 airliner. He has since been charged with conspiracy in plotting the September 11 attacks. (Full story) September 11 warnings: Who knew what, and when? May 24, 2002 Posted: 7:54 p.m. EDT (2354 GMT) Ken Williams, FBI agent who wrote the "Phoenix" memo - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY: Disclosures of intelligence that came in before September 11 have raised questions of possible failures of the United States to anticipate or prevent the attacks. In the words of Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, intelligence and law enforcement agencies failed to connect the dots of various clues leading up to the catastrophe. The administration touched off the debate when it acknowledged that President Bush received an eleven-and-a half page report on al Qaeda during his August 6 daily intelligence briefing, known as the Presidential Daily Br ief. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice stressed to the media that the briefing was an "analytic report" that mentioned hijackings but in the traditional sense. "Hijacking before 9/11 and hijacking after 9/11 mean two very different things," she said. (Transcript of Rice's comments) But warnings of al Qaeda attacks on the United States began as far back as 1995, when an accomplice of Ramzi Yousef -- mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing -- told Philippine authorities that he learned to fly at U.S. flight schools and had plotted to hijack an aircraft and crash it into the Central Intelligence Agency's Langley, Virginia, headquarters. (Timeline) http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/22/9.11.warnings.facts/index.html September 11 warnings: Who knew what, and when? May 24, 2002 Posted: 7:54 p.m. EDT (2354 GMT) Ken Williams, FBI agent who wrote the "Phoenix" memo Another disclosure was a memo written by an FBI agent in Phoenix, Arizona, that theorized Middle Eastern students at an Arizona flight school could be al Qaeda agents in training for hijackings. Agent Ken Williams sent it to the counterterrorism division at the FBI's Washington headquarters, where analysts reviewed the memo but deferred any action. The White House was never informed about the memo before September 11. FBI Director Robert Mueller and Attorney General John Ashcroft were told of it in the days after the attacks. Its existence was first reported by The Associated Press. Williams, accompanied by Mueller, went to Capitol Hill on May 21 for a closed-door meeting with members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. (Full story) Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company The Boston Globe June 6, 2002, Thursday ,THIRD EDITION PROBE ON FBI MEMO SAID TO BEGIN SHORTLY AFTER 9/11 WHISTLEBLOWER AND FBI HEAD TO TESTIFY AT HEARING TODAY WASHINGTON - Less than three weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, the Department of Justice's inspector general opened an investigation into the FBI's handling of a July 2001 memo from a Phoenix agent raising concerns about Middle Easterners training at flight schools. FBI director Robert S. Mueller III has said late September was when he first learned that an agent in Phoenix had sent headquarters an electronic communication suggesting that the bureau monitor US flight schools because a large number of Middle Eastern men were being trained at them. It had not been known that a Justice Department official began an investigation based on the memo so soon after the attacks and so long before anyone in Congress was told about it. Copyright 2002 Star Tribune Star Tribune (Minneapolis, MN) December 12, 2002, Thursday, Metro Edition 9/11 intelligence failures detailed; A congressional panel's report says agencies were poorly organized, poorly equipped and slow to pursue clues that might have prevented the attacks. Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., the Senate panel's vice chairman, wrote a dissent, arguing that the panel should specify those who failed to perform. Among them, he said in an interview, are supervisors at FBI headquarters who rejected Minneapolis agents' requests for a national security warrant authorizing searches of Moussaoui's belongings after his arrest on Aug. 16, 2001. After the attacks, investigators found clues to the hijackers among Moussaoui's possessions. Shelby said the same supervisors failed to link Moussaoui's arrest with a Phoenix FBI agent's July 2001 memo urging a nationwide canvass to identify Middle Eastern students at flight schools. The Phoenix memo went essentially unnoticed until after Sept. 11. Copyright 2002 Cox Enterprises, Inc. Cox News Service September 24, 2002 Tuesday HEADLINE: FBI HEADQUARTERS FAILS TO CONNECT THE DOTS BEFORE 9/11 Fifteen days before the Sept. 11 attacks, a Minneapolis FBI supervisor pleaded for permission to search Zacarias Moussaoui's belongings, saying he wanted to make sure the French terror suspect "did not take control of a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center." Had FBI agents in Minneapolis been able to search Moussaoui's belongings, they would have found business letters bearing the signature of Yazid Sufaat, the man who hosted a high-level meeting of al-Qaida operatives in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia in January of 2000. In addition, the FBI had repeated evidence dating back to 1998 that a terrorist organization might be planning to bring students to the U.S. for training at a flight school, yet the FBI did not heed the warning, Hill said. Hill's investigative staff has determined that there are 68,000 outstanding and unassigned leads in the counterterrorism division dating back to 1995. Copyright 2002 The Times Mirror Company; Los Angeles Times All Rights Reserved Los Angeles Times May 18, 2002 Saturday Home Edition HEADLINE: THE NATION; '99 Report Warned About Plot Like 9/11 A 1999 analysis commissioned by the CIA warned that Osama bin Laden loyalists might crash a plane into the Pentagon or the White House, adding to the controversy Friday over the Bush administration's insistence that it had no way of predicting the Sept. 11 hijackings. The report's warnings, coupled with new details about the FBI's failure to pass on suspicions about flight schools from its Phoenix office, further inflamed members of Congress who believe authorities missed key opportunities to head off the terrorist attacks. The report to the CIA, prepared by government researchers in September 1999, included a picture of the World Trade Center towers and warned the CIA that Bin Laden "most likely will retaliate in a spectacular way" for U.S. missile strikes a year earlier on Al Qaeda-linked compounds. The detailed warning was not included in a classified briefing that the CIA gave President Bush in August about the prospect of Al Qaeda hijackings--a briefing that Bush administration officials said was too vague to warrant concrete action. And White House officials did not see the report until Friday morning, spokesman Ari Fleischer told reporters. "If the FBI sought to undertake what the Phoenix memo suggested, it would have opened up a powder keg of protests from the Arab American community and civil liberties groups," a federal law enforcement official said Friday. The 1999 report to the CIA, while informative, "was just a hypothesis. Similar hypotheses come into FBI field offices every day. The only thing different about this one is that it was somewhat prophetic," the official said. Former President Clinton said he also discounted the report's analysis on Bin Laden. "That has nothing to do with intelligence," he said Friday night. "It basically says he's a dangerous guy that might do a lot of things." http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6802106%255E4 01,00.html THE US government had intercepted conversations by early 1999 indicating that two September 11 hijackers-to-be were connected to a suspected al-Qaeda facility in the Middle East. But the National Security Agency did not pass on the information to other agencies, a congressional report on intelligence failures said. The NSA interception was the first evidence in American possession that eventual hijackers Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were connected to each other and to al-Qaeda, but some of that information was not brought to the attention of other agencies until early 2002 after Congress began investigating pre-September 11 failures, according to excerpts of the report to be released tomorrow. "These communications were the first indication that NSA had of a link Beyond its own interception, the NSA also received similar electronic eavesdropping information in 1999 from another unnamed intelligence agency and did not pass that information on either. "For an undetermined reason, NSA did not disseminate the report," the excerpts stated. "It was not until early 2002 during the joint inquiry, that NSA realised it had the report in its databases and subsequently disseminated" the information to CIA, Congress and other intelligence agencies. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/3391169.htm Posted on Mon, Jun. 03, 2002 Official says CIA didn't share information on hijackers with FBI, INS WASHINGTON (AP) - The CIA was watching two of the Sept. 11 hijackers at an al-Qaida meeting more than a year before the attacks, but failed to notify the FBI or the Immigration and Naturalization Service of their activities, says a U.S. intelligence official. If the FBI or INS had been told all the CIA knew about the men, they might have been denied entry into the United States or monitored while in the country. http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/inv.hijacking.philippines/index.html U.S. warned in 1995 of plot to hijack planes, attack buildings September 18, 2001 Posted: 1:54 PM EDT (1754 GMT) MANILA, Philippines (CNN) -- The FBI was warned six years ago of a terrorist plot to hijack commercial planes and slam them into the Pentagon, the CIA headquarters and other buildings, Philippine investigators told CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/06/03/cia.fbi.hijackers/index.html Sources: CIA warned FBI about hijacker June 4, 2002 Posted: 1:02 AM EDT (0502 GMT) From David Ensor CNN Washington Bureau WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In response Monday to the contention by CIA officials that they warned the FBI in January 2000 that one of the September 11 hijackers had participated in an al Qaeda meeting in Malaysia and merited scrutiny, the FBI refused to point blame officially at anyone. Nevertheless, it appears the CIA let more than a year go by before putting the men on a list of people to be kept out of the United States. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:38:14 -0700 From: "Bill Bubb" Subject: re: guitar tunings Goodness gracious, Joni has a good amount of guitar tunings and as a newbie on the acoustic guitar, it's taking a little while for my "ear" to figure them all out. Is there a article somewhere about tunings that would be helpful so I could tune a little quicker in between songs with the greatest of ease. Thanks for your help. Bill ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #19 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)