From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #13 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 10 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 013 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC [vince ] Re: Madonna's calm discourse reply NJC [vince ] Re: Is Joni a prophet? [vince ] RE: Actor's Studio questions... (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #12 - prophetic? [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Today in History: January 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: January 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] RE: PNAC NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2004 #12 ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:54:46 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC kakki wrote: >Kate wrote: > > > >>...CIA briefers warned President Bush in August 2001 that bin >>Laden might hijack U.S. airplanes." >> >> > >A little late, right, a few weeks before 9/11? What do you think Bush >should have done with that information? > He should have paid attention to it rather than ignore it and spend that morning briefing discussing his biggest contributor Ken Lay. > Shut down the airlines? Our >intelligence agencies were not equipped at the time to figure exactly who, >how, when, where the attacks were going to occur. > And yet a security alert could not go out? Remembering that several of the hijack teams bought their tickets one way in cash at the last minute and one possible hijacker was already arrested in Minnesota, a little security alert may have been wonderful. > I don't have time to get >into more detail but Congress passed laws back in the 70s that greatly tied >the hands of the FBI and other security agencies' ability and freedom to spy >on people in various ways. > That is to keep us from living in a fascist state. You advocating the free right of the government to spy on citizens? This from a libertarian? How did these laws prevent the administration from sending out a warning alert in August 2001? The fact that we have been holding people in "preventive detention" for two years and more with no charges filed and no counsel and no communication makes me ashamed to be an American. I must not be alone. The Supreme Court acted with great haste (for them) today in telling the solicitor general to screw up with his delays to file more briefs - an unheard of action for the court - and saying we are scheduling this whole preventive detention issue for hearing. > Those laws were passed as a reaction to tales of >abuses from J. Edgar Hoover's FBI. It's worth reading more about this, >Kate, to understand the intelligence handicaps we were operating under pre >9/11. > The only handicap we operated under was a president with no curiosity on his vacation who has to have 3 paragraph briefings because he won't read anything more who was far more concerned about political issues than national security issues. In the very republican US News and World Report in November was a little article that Bush wanted to study British culture and history before his last trip to England and his sole means of studying British culture and history was to watch Master and Commander. I read US N&WR once a week and every week they report (as a ha ha funny rather than as scary) some great profoundinty of this administrationa long those lines. Along those lines, C. Rice has been on tv saying that she and her staff blew off all the Clinton (national security/sandy berger) briefings to the the Rice team about al queda because as matter of philosophy the Bushies decided the Clinton administration knew nothing and thus anything they said was discounted. The adminisitration is our handicap. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 00:58:07 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Madonna's calm discourse reply NJC Lori Fye wrote: >>Well damn if Madonna didn't answer! >> >>Really! >> >> > >Vince, did you post your question only here? Or elsewhere? Is it >possible that Madonna is a JMDLer? > I only posted it here. It was sheer coincidence I got the Madonna email within hours from the Clark campaign! When you have Madonna and me supporting a general, you know we must be right! :-) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:03:44 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Is Joni a prophet? Lori Fye wrote: > > >I've long wondered if Joni doesn't know a whole lot more than she lets >on ... perhaps she's really a modern-day prophet? Wouldn't surprise me. > >Anyone else have an opinion? (LOL ...) > > As a member of the clergy, and a life long Biblical student who has always been drawn particularly to the prophets, the answer is: yes. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:29:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Actor's Studio questions... (njc) my insightful answers: > > 1: What is your favorite word? SURE > > 2: What is your least favorite word? MAYBE > > 3: What turns you on? CHALLENGES > > 4: What turns you off? POVERTY > > 5: What sound do you love? C MAJ9 CHORDS > > 6: What sound do you hate? DENTIST DRILL > > 7: What is your favorite curse word? F*CKING C*NTING HELL (i learned that from a hot-blooded canadian) > > 8: What profession other than yours would you like to > attempt? DRAMATIC SOPRANO > > 9: What profession would you not like to participate > in? MORTICIAN > > 10: If heaven exists, what would you like to hear God > say when you arrive at the pearly gates? ALL THE PEOPLE AND ANIMALS YOU'VE LOVED ARE HERE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:30:23 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #11 Rick, Yes, exactly. There was a news incident that kicked her off in 1976 but like everything else about politics in the middle east, it comes back again and again. One of the cool things about the JMDL site that Les Irvin built for Joni's work, is a section that has hot links built into the lyrics. On this page: http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/otisandmarlena.cfm you'll find the lyrics to "Otis and Marlena". If you want to read up on what that line meant in 1977, you can. If you don't, the lines are metaphorical enough that they leave room for you to see your own story inside her framework. I think Joni put "Otis and Marlena" at the front of "TRAVELOGUE" because of those exact lines you talked about. After the Sept 11th attacks, it's like Neil Young said: "All the songs mean something different now." I had not thought about the gas station shootings but yeah, that fits too. All the best, Lama NP: "Sing Along With Basie" >OH MY you know what I found to be very weird???? Does everyone remember the song "Otis and Marlena" ? EVEN THOUGH "Don Juan's..." came out in '77, what I found wild about that song was that it seemed to be talking about that incident, since the whole DC area was literally "Held Up," due to the fear everyone had of being shot and killed by these mysterious snipers. for me, just hearing that song for the first time when all of that was going on, it was VERY prophetic> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:37:21 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #12 - prophetic? >EVEN THOUGH "Don Juan's..." came out in '77, what I found wild about >that song was that it seemed to be talking about that incident, since >the whole DC area was literally "Held Up," due to the fear everyone >had of being shot and killed by these mysterious snipers....ANyone >else notice this or find that to be interesting? Someone else may have mentioned this, but the "while Muslims hold up Washington" line in Otis and Marlena refers to an incident in 77 or 76 where a radical Muslim or two went into a government office in DC and briefly took hostages (or something along that line). Of course that doesn't mean isn't prophetic... Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 02:00:03 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 10 1968: Joni performs at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 02:00:03 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 10 On January 10 the following article was published: 1970: "Joni Still Feels The Pull Of The Country" - Melody Maker (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=179 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:09:05 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: PNAC NJC >Sorry, but to be honest you have in the past put up a petition here from moveon to impeach him, right? And I recall other remarks that led me to perceive you'd like him removed from office and or prosecuted.< Like many people here on this list & in this country I am not happy with how the administration (its not just Bush) is handling a great number of issues. At this point I think it would be a waste of time & energy to prosecute or remove him from office. I'd rather try the election process one more time & get rid of the whole crew. There are a whole lot of questionable things being written by intelligent people about 9/11 that only an full on investigation is going to answer. One possibility is that Bush would be found innocent of knowing much of anything. That would not surprise me in the least. In my opinion he is basically a figurehead. I think the real power lies elsewhere. >I don't interpret the remarks as them wanting the usa to be the only power, economically and otherwise. That's a delusional idea.< I too think its delusional. I'd be interested in hearing how you interpret the excerpt that I posted if you care to do so. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 23:45:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2004 #12 Vince >As jobs are moving overseas to where people get paid pennies per hour, it is time to consider something a friend of mine pointed out yesterday: slavery still exists in the world.< This is not always so vince...i married a man who has done much of his business overseas...the wages are lower but so is the cost of living...many of the people who are sometimes considered working in 'slavery' conditions are much better off than they were before the work...in china it has changed the fate of women dramatically...there was a time when girl babies were considered expendable & as a result they were treated quite horribly...now those same girls & women have a life (literally) not to mention a livlihood, medical care, clean living quarters, heat, food, etc...sometimes companies build entire towns to house their employees...you have to look at what life was like for these folks before you decide whether giving them overseas jobs is good or bad... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #13 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)