From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #6 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 7 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 006 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Kaki King rerun on Conan tonight (1/5/04) njc ["kakki" ] The Dream Sequence, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: My DVD player & Harold & Maude - njc [Jerry Notaro ] Virtually Nothing here in regards to trading ["Kevin Arshad" ] an update on my DVD player njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: The Dream Sequence, NJC ["Norman Pennington" ] Moveon org njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: netflix njc ["Lori Fye" ] Joni Content - your 2004 presidential candidate [vince ] joni article in mountain astrologer [Mary Casey ] Re: Joni Content - your 2004 presidential candidate [Emiliano ] RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? ["michael o'malley" ] Re: The Dream Sequence, NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Moveon org njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: The Dream Sequence, NJC -- clarification ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 00:09:02 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Kaki King rerun on Conan tonight (1/5/04) njc Catherine wrote: > She's gotta helluva nerve stealing Kakki's name. And > spelling it wrong to boot. Heehee! No, I spell it wrong - when I first got an email address, believe it or not, there were too many Kakis on AOL so I added the extra "k" and the "b" to finally make it through! The nickname came from my French Grandma but it is also a nickname for Kathy in Hawaii and is properly spelled Kaki. The Clinton's White House interior decorator was Kaki Hockersmith. I've heard raves about this Kaki King, too. Kakki, er Kaki ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 00:35:06 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: joni's defense of ronstadt - now njc Ron and Paul, Thanks for the information and background on the issue for someone who only heard about it in bits and pieces halfway around the planet. It was so baffling to me back then that a country that seemed so advanced and wealthy in many ways could also be practicing aparthied and total government-controlled censorship. It's amazing how much the world of information has changed now with the internet and satellite TV. We can know things more instantly and can read other reports from around the world and it is so much harder to hide, censor or slant what is going on (although we may often have to wade through data overload to get the whole picture). I agree about Zimbabwe - what a hideous situation for that poor country and there doesn't seem to be any clear solution in sight in the near future. At least S.A. did evolve and work through it all. My friend from Namibia also largely credits DeKlerk and Mandela for the evolution. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:11:02 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: The Dream Sequence, NJC Clark>Dean>Edwards: The Dream Sequence Of all the Democratic Candidates, the three gentlemen, Clark, Dean and Edwards, have the most to offer America and the Democratic Party. Any other combination will carry too much baggage to be able to soundly defeat George W. Bush. The best team in 2004 is either Clark/Dean, Clark/Edwards or Dean/Edwards...and of those, the strongest at this point is Clark/Dean...but not Dean/Clark. Clark has already said he will not be VP, and no need to make a liar out of him. Besides, he is older, wiser, and more experienced in what America must face in this terroristic world, than Dean. President Clark can and will put America on a stronger and safer footing, and do so by improving America's standing in the world. He would make America beloved again, and make sure the military is not used for frivolous or corporate ends. Clark also happens to have a more user-friendly tax policy than Dean, but Dean, while Clark is shoring up America on the international theatre, will shore up things at home...and will become the manifestation of his great work at bringing in new voters, and honoring Gore by putting his great invention, the internet, to great use as a political and democratic tool. "But Gore endorsed Dean, not Clark", you might complain. "Why not honor Gore by voting for Dean?" Here is why: Clinton must endorse Clark. This way, we get to continue, as it were, in the Clinton/Gore legacy...by voting for whom they would vote. Both of them! Clark/Dean is today's Clinton/Gore. A winning team. An awesome team. A team that would give Bush and Rove nightmares. But also a team, particularly with Clark as head, that would not only win a hefty number of Independents and Republicans (as well as, of course, Democrats)...he would also change the entire political dynamic of the Military. A more Democratic military; a military with a Democratic face, and one with the strong, reassuring and wise face of the progressive general, can only reassure everyone involved...except maybe those who are given, without bidding, handsome contracts worth billions. A handful of fatcats, basically. Not you and me, or anyone we know. People who already have too much, and are neurotically demanding even more. It is stupid to automatically associate the military with Republicans, as so many seem to do. Republicans suck at it. Republicans allow our boys and girls to die for untrue causes and corporate profit. Clark would never allow this to occur under his watchful and experienced care. Clark would bring the Military back to the people, and take it out of the hands of corporate masters. Clark would also undermine Bush's ability to use the war or the military as a feather in his cap. Bush would cower before Clark on these matters. But Clark would never cower before Bush. Not on military matters, especially. And while Clark is winning over the great majority, Dean will bring home the medical and health care folks, the pro-peace majority, the Internet crowd, and, of course, his vast net of current supporters. Bush will not be able to pit Medicine and Law against one another, as he has tried to do. Bush's words on the matter would ring hollow, and Dean can best him on ever point. Besides...Dean is the current front-runner! So what about John Edwards and how does Clark become the front runner without hurting Dean (or Edwards)? John Edwards will eventually become president of the United States. But it might well be the case that we are going to have to savor him a few more years before we get that chance. So to get there, here is the dream sequence: Clark/Dean '04 Clark/Dean '08 Dean/Edwards '12 Dean/Edwards '16 Edwards/???? ' 20 As long as good people are in charge, America is in good hands. We have seen good government with Clinton/Gore. We know that government can be a tool for facilitating well-being...not just something to be robbed and handed over to the super-greedy at the cost of great majority of normal Americans. This nearly 4 year experiment in greed and incompetence has shown what NOT to do. So...where to put John Edwards, rather, where is the best fit for Senator Edwards at this time? If not POTUS or VPOTUS (at this time), I'd suggest that he would make a most wondrous replacement for John Ashcroft. So many possibilities! The future, once again, is looking bright. But Clark, Dean and Edwards not only need to rise, Bush has to come down from his high-horse. Let George be George. Indeed. And simply say: This is not good enough. May the Candidates themselves see the wisdom of such a ticket, and cease their vulgar attacks. They may all find a place in a Clark/Dean administration...but only if they behave. This election is not simply about whose team wins. As America falls in the eyes of the world...it falls more generally. We are not on a sustainable path. Kant would call us insane. The next administration, and in particular the President, is going to have to correct the problem. Our domestic well-being is now largely hinged upon foreign policy and international relations. For this, I think, Clark would be the best fit. In every sense of the term. Clark is also older than Dean, which should count for something. It seems more natural to have the younger man in the junior position. And when the vote opens out to the general public, Clark will probably have more positives and less negatives than Dean. But Dean is essential as well. Maybe they can work it out amongst themselves. I hope they give it a thought. It may be the dream team...and, with John Edwards, dream sequence. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 08:14:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: My DVD player & Harold & Maude - njc > Just a fast note to thank everyone who replied to my post about my DVD > problems; also, I've discovered a whole bumch of JMDL members who also share > my > love for Harold & Maude. I didn't want to answer each person individually on > this site since it's not Joni related so I've posted separate messages to all > off-site. > > Kenny B > Believe it or not, the movie has come up many times over the years on the list. It is definitely a favorite of mine, and many list members. Which proves, as we are often described, that we are a weird bunch! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:16:25 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: the giselle Fan club NJC Oh what can we say about our wonderful Giselle.... Clever, witty, ridiculously humble about her abilities (I can hear her saying SHUT UP LOOCE!!!) a killer voice, brilliant guitarist and lyricist.. why the hell she has not been snapped by a recording company is anyones guess and the world of music's loss..... We are a lucky band of people to have her in our midst and the other night I was doubled up laughing watching the VHS of the FEST seeing her play for Susan G on Chuckies in Love...... Oh please come to FEST 2004 Giselle.... You are utterly brilliant and great company. One thing I would do if I won the lottery is to get her over to the Uk and get her known here, she would go down a storm.....I would also get her to teach me how to play.... OH boy......... OH to be able to play the guitar like her, well, like any of the women and men who got up there..... WOW what an imposter I was with my 4 chords!!!! And that was Giselle's guitar I got to borrow so thank you to her..... Happy new year all, by the way.... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:49:40 -0600 From: "Kevin Arshad" Subject: Virtually Nothing here in regards to trading I'm still looking for USA/Canadian traders. I have had a few responses, = but considering the activity on this list, I would expect more. I would like to find some of those video performances we see snippets of = on "Woman of Heart and Mind", especially the 60's and early 70's stuff. If this list has managed to add stuff on the end of my links below, they = should both end with htm If you would like to look at them, just copy and paste into your browser = and remove whatever has been added at the end after htm=20 I also have many new arrivals not at the links below which I can send to = you including a number of Joni. http://www.eugenemorin.com/kevcdr.htm=20 http://www.eugenemorin.com/kevvcdvhs.htm [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of LED.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:17:23 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni on Jep! and an update on my DVD player (a little long) hi <<>>> You gotta be fecking kidding me Ron. That bitch is terrible. Besides she's a liar, a cheat, a thief, and above all has a drinking problem (not to mention that flatulence thing).<<<< damn - we've got so much in common :-) strikes me that someone is just a smidgeon jealous 'cause someone else can play a *real* guitar - stead 'a just "veget8ting".............. :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:44:13 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Jep! and an update on my DVD player (a little long) NJC I added the NJC to this thread...next time y'all can do it, OK? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:59:48 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni on Jep! and an update on my DVD player (a little long) NJC > I added the NJC to this thread...next time y'all can do it, OK? > > Bob > Please note that I did add the njc tag when I replied to Kenny's post. Jerry, the obedient librarian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:38:08 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: now an infomercial for gisele NJC May I suggest selling giselle's cd at cdbaby.com? They take some $$ off the top but you set the price you want to receive...it is well worth it to not have to handle the shipping costs & they take credit cards & do international orders...they give you a page with photo, description & sound clips...check it out, its really a fabulous service for indie artists...the set up fee is only $35 if I remember correctly...many here can attest to buying & selling at cdbaby.com...a great business model (founded by a musician)...its likely giselle will even sell cds to folks she doesn't know with a cdbaby.com presence... Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:23:54 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: an update on my DVD player njc Anyone else a member of netflix? An amazing service...you sign up online & for $20 per month get an unlimited amount of dvds sent to you (3 at a time)...watch em send em back (they pay all postage costs) when your done...no late fees...check it out we love it! Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:33:15 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: The Dream Sequence, NJC LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > But also a team, particularly with Clark as head, that would not only > win a hefty number of Independents and Republicans (as well as, of > course, Democrats)...he would also change the entire political dynamic > of the Military. A more Democratic military; a military with a > Democratic face, and one with the strong, reassuring and wise face of > the progressive general, can only reassure everyone involved...except > maybe those who are given, without bidding, handsome contracts worth > billions. > > It is stupid to automatically associate the military with Republicans, > as so many seem to do. Republicans suck at it. Republicans allow our > boys and girls to die for untrue causes and corporate profit. Clark > would never allow this to occur under his watchful and experienced > care. Clark would bring the Military back to the people, and take it > out of the hands of corporate masters. > > Clark would also undermine Bush's ability to use the war or the > military as a feather in his cap. Bush would cower before Clark on > these matters. But Clark would never cower before Bush. Not on military > matters, especially. Hmmm. Everyone in this wonderful country is entitled to their opinions, and are entitled to express their opinion, no matter how wrong-headed that opinion may be. I don't claim to know all of the million-plus individuals in the military, but I DO know several hundred, both active duty and retired. I spent 22 years in the USAF and am the father of two active duty career officers, one AF and one Navy. While there *are* Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, and apolitical individuals in the military, the *great* majority are politically conservative (i.e., Republican). Clinton was universally loathed by the military. Reagan was loved, as is Dubya. The buzz I hear from my boys, their friends, peers, superiors, and subordinates is Dubya has revitalized the military and improved morale by an order of magnitude. Rumsfeld, while having detractors among the senior leadership whose ox would be gored by transformation, is viewed as a "straight-shooter" by the rank and file...and is both respected and loved. He is doing important work and has a vision for a 21st Century military. Rumsfeld has a tremendous number of supporters within the senior leadership who have bought into Rumsfeld's vision and are actively implementing it. This important work needs to continue, and the present leadership team are the ones to do it. Clark, on the other hand, is viewed as an opportunistic and self-serving individual. I've heard these comments from senior AF personnel who served on Clark's staff in Europe. Clark is NOT respected, period. So...your contention that the military would get a "Democratic face" under Clark is neither wanted nor needed by the professional military corps. Further, your contention that the military is in "the hands of corporate masters" is simply left-wing rhetoric that has no basis in fact. A comment such as this is something that could have been pulled from the pages of Pravda during their salad days...it's laughable. I don't know for sure, but I'd bet the proverbial dollar to the donut that the closest you've been to the military is a view of a base from the freeway. Best Regards, Buck...who's voting for Bush AGAIN. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 14:53:15 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: an update on my DVD player njc I received a free membership when I got my first dvd player in 1998. They were amazing. So much so (and I am a media librarian and am rarely amazed by media organizations) that I bought stock in Netflix. It has more than tripled since I bought it! Great company. Jerry P.S. Watched the WOHAM dvd on New Year's Eve again with a friend who had never seen it. A MUST purchase for everyone. > Anyone else a member of netflix? An amazing service...you sign up online > & for $20 per month get an unlimited amount of dvds sent to you (3 at a > time)...watch em send em back (they pay all postage costs) when your > done...no late fees...check it out we love it! > > Kate > www.katebennett.com > "bringing the melancholy world of > twilight to life almost like magic" > The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:59:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: netflix njc a friend in boston is in LOVE with netflix! he can't get enough of it. an additional advantage is that you can watch a lot of great movies that made it directly to dvd for some short-sighted marketing reason. wally, back from the dentist and thinking i can't type well because of the anesthesia!!! > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kate > Bennett > Enviado el: Martes, 06 de Enero de 2004 04:24 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: an update on my DVD player njc > > > Anyone else a member of netflix? An amazing service...you sign up online > & for $20 per month get an unlimited amount of dvds sent to you (3 at a > time)...watch em send em back (they pay all postage costs) when your > done...no late fees...check it out we love it! > > Kate > www.katebennett.com > "bringing the melancholy world of > twilight to life almost like magic" > The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:46:41 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Moveon org njc Just a quick little diversion into politics...i'm a member of moveon, a growing grassroots organization that has recently been the target of a fairly large smear campaign by the republican national committee (which probably has a lot of $$ to do some damage even though the information is false)...imo, this is a sign that moveon has some serious power & sometimes controversy works in positive ways so maybe it will end up being a good thing for moveon (whose members are ordinary people like you & me)... The smear campaign is regarding 2 submissions to the moveon ad contest...check out what really happened at http://moveon.org/ check out the winning ads at http://www.bushin30seconds.org/ Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:43:40 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: netflix njc Mary and I have subscribed to Netflix for almost 2 years now, and we love it too. Lots of gay & lesbian flix available, including the entire first 2 seasons of the American version of "Queer As Folk." http://www.netflix.com Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/donorform.pdf ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:16:54 -0500 From: vince Subject: Joni Content - your 2004 presidential candidate Gen. Wesley Clark 17 November 2003 New Yorker page 76 Clark: "I loved hearing Joan Baez and Joni Mitchell..." that is enough - first candidate to make a Joni mention Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:29:18 -0700 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Re: Joni Content - your 2004 presidential candidate LOL, Vince. While I'm _quite_ sure you had your tongue planted firmly in your cheek, this still made me laugh! I'll admit Dubya probably doesn't even know who Joni _is_, let alone listens to her on a regular basis. But, we all have our shortcomings, don't we? ;-) I'll give him Joni lapse and take the Bush Doctrine. That way, we'll all be able to enjoy Joni's music for years and years to come without fear of a Taliban-like fundamentalist Islamic future. Buck...with tongue planted firmly in cheek on that last one. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "vince" To: "Joni List" Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: Joni Content - your 2004 presidential candidate > Gen. Wesley Clark > > 17 November 2003 New Yorker > > page 76 > > Clark: "I loved hearing Joan Baez and Joni Mitchell..." > > > that is enough - first candidate to make a Joni mention > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 02:21:23 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: netflix njc (for AOL users) Wally says: a friend in boston is in LOVE with netflix! he can't get enough of it. an additional advantage is that you can watch a lot of great movies that made it directly to dvd for some short-sighted marketing reason. wally, back from the dentist and thinking i can't type well because of the anesthesia!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:21:49 -0800 From: Mary Casey Subject: joni article in mountain astrologer I'm not sure if this is old news to the list, but there is a great article on Joni in the December/January issue Mary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:22:02 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Joni Content - your 2004 presidential candidate Hi! It will be great if the sentence would be in present tense! ... Emiliano, who's longing (in the local saint's eve) for those funny past times when Felipe Gonza'lez brought spanish stardom to Marguerite Yourcenar Vince says: > Gen. Wesley Clark > > 17 November 2003 New Yorker > > page 76 > > Clark: "I loved hearing Joan Baez and Joni Mitchell..." > > > that is enough - first candidate to make a Joni mention > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 03:23:16 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: The Dream Sequence, NJC - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Norman Pennington" Para: Enviado: martes, 06 de enero de 2004 20:33 Asunto: Re: The Dream Sequence, NJC > LCStanley7@aol.com > wrote: [...] > > But also a team, particularly with Clark as head, that would not only > > win a hefty number of Independents and Republicans (as well as, of > > course, Democrats)...he would also change the entire political dynamic > > of the Military. A more Democratic military; a military with a > > Democratic face, and one with the strong, reassuring and wise face of > > the progressive general, can only reassure everyone involved...except > > maybe those who are given, without bidding, handsome contracts worth > > billions. > > > > It is stupid to automatically associate the military with Republicans, > > as so many seem to do. Republicans suck at it. Republicans allow our > > boys and girls to die for untrue causes and corporate profit. Clark > > would never allow this to occur under his watchful and experienced > > care. Clark would bring the Military back to the people, and take it > > out of the hands of corporate masters. > > [...] Buck: > [...] > Further, your > contention that the military is in "the hands of corporate masters" is > simply left-wing rhetoric that has no basis in fact. A comment such as this > is something that could have been pulled from the pages of Pravda during > their salad days...it's laughable. > > I don't know for sure, but I'd bet the proverbial dollar to the donut that > the closest you've been to the military is a view of a base from the > freeway. > > Best Regards, > Buck...who's voting for Bush AGAIN. Hi, Buck! I think your first sentence (from the ones I've excerpted) is enough. The other two: are de trop, really they stink of untolerance. Yours: Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:35:00 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? Susan said: ``I still think I have a way to get her there - but we must start our plan in motion now. And my idea is for a documentary on us!! Then we will jump from clips of the jonifesters and our yearly rituals to an interview with Joni. And at the end she will drive up in a limo to the performance space and come in and listen to the show and then join in on the song circle on the last night. Now tell me that doesn't sound like a plan.`` Then Jim said: ``Of course, this is silly but... I think the key to getting Joni is to getting Little Green on board first. I'm thinking Kilauren do the persuading FOR us. I envision her saying, "You know that Internet community did us a big favor, eh? So... what about taking them up on this invitation? The karma would be great." Of course, she'd bring the VG-8. We'd *REALLY* have to get a piano for that year!`` Then I say: I don't know how serious the authors of these comments are, but personnaly I think both these ideas are perhaps suitable for daydreams - but nothing more. I hate to be a party pooper, but the idea of `scheming` to get Joni to a fest irks me. Of course, like everyone else, I would love to meet Joni someday, but frankly, I don't really think we are so interesting a group, to the outside world, as to warrant a documentary. Second, the idea of using K to attract Joni to a fest is somewhat repulsive to me. Third, the very last thing I think Joni would want, is to find herself stuck in the woods somewhere, in a room full of adoring strangers fawning all over her. She seems, to me, very ambivalent and even uncomfortable with praise, attention and adulation from her fans. I do think Joni should be sent a straightforward invitation to our fests, but we can only respect her decision to accept or decline - no explanation necessary. I think that ``scheming`` is definitely the wrong approach. My two cents. Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:39:04 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Moveon org njc Ah geez, Kate. The projection of moveon.org's own wrongdoing onto the victims in this case has gone beyond the pale. The potential ads were up on their site - someone had to put them there and keep them there - until some people were outraged by them. They can't deny their site hosted these ads. They can't claim they are being smeared when people report the truthful fact that they hosted those ads. And moveon screaming that their freedom of speech is being silenced. Why don't some people understand freedom of speech is for everyone and there is no constitutional guarantee that people must listen quietly, without objection, to such hate speech? And it wasn't the Republican party who first condemned them. It was Rabbi Hier from the Simon Wiesenthal Center who first loudly raised the protest against them. Lots of people are sick and fed up with the left equating Bush with Hitler and Republicans with Nazis and they are speaking out against it. It totally trivializes the terrible reality of Hitler and the Nazi's evil deeds. 6 million people systematically murdered = Republicans? Off the chart. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:16:28 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: The Dream Sequence, NJC Emiliano wrote: > Hi, Buck! > I think your first sentence (from the ones I've excerpted) is enough. > The other two: are de trop, really they stink of untolerance. Not that Buck needs me to stick up for him, but I've known him since 1977 and so I'm going to say this anyway: Buck is truly one of the most tolerant people I know. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the enduring friendship that we have. This is not to say that we agree on things political, because 95% of the time, we don't. However, everyone has their opinions, and everyone has more than one layer. As we both served in the Air Force (together even, on the paprika plains of North Dakota), Buck and I each have our "military" layer. And still we disagree on the war in Iraq and on accepting the Bush Doctrine. But because of our time in the service, we have seen a number of things from a place where most JMDLers have not visited, and so I can understand Buck's comment about having seen a military base from no closer than the freeway. As for voting in the November election, I will vote for damn near ANYONE but Bush, unless Cheney is running. I'm not overwhelmed with any particular feelings for Howard Dean (although I like his views on some things), but since he's apparently going to be the front runner and probably the Democrats' candidate for president, I wish the rest of the Democratic candidates would set aside their egos and unite and get behind Dean. The party simply cannot withstand being split. Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/donorform.pdf ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:19:14 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Moveon org njc Kakki wrote: > 6 million people systematically murdered = Republicans? Off the > chart. You all know that I'm a card-carrying Democrat and that I cannot stand Bush and his ilk. Nonetheless, I have to agree with Kakki, at least as regards the above. Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/donorform.pdf ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:24:29 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: The Dream Sequence, NJC -- clarification I wrote: > As for voting in the November election, I will vote for damn near > ANYONE but Bush, unless Cheney is running. And boy oh boy did THAT ever read wrong! What I meant was I will not vote for Cheney if for some reason he would be a choice. In fact, I think I would move to Canada if Cheney were to run. imo, he is one of the most dangerous people on the planet. Lori ~ http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.asp?runner=DCNO-3152&year=2003 http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/donorform.pdf ~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 19:11:01 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: The Dream Sequence, NJC Laura, I don't know if you composed this or forwarded it from an email you received. What is confusing to me is that Dean has positioned himself as the anti-war candidate and Clark has positioned himself as the military General who could administer a war better than Bush. So what is the rationale for running Clark/Dean as a ticket? To cover all bases? Like Norman, I am tired of hearing about "corporate ends" and such. Who is being referred to here? The defense industry? In reality, the defense contractors are virtually another arm of the government. I've worked for them and still work with them in my law firm. They are controlled by the government and working for them is not much different then working for any other governmental agency, except they cover the defense of the country end of the spectrum. Or maybe they are referring to other big government contractors such as Halliburton and Bechtel? Again, ultimately controlled by U.S. government oversight and always chosen because they have the expertise in what they do. Nothing nefarious about it. Now this one really caught my eye: > Gore by putting his great invention, the internet, to great use as a > political and democratic tool. Is this humor or does whoever really believe Gore invented the internet?! Kakki . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:39:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? --- michael o'malley wrote: > > I do think Joni should be sent a straightforward > invitation to our fests, but > we can only respect her decision to accept or > decline - no explanation > necessary. I think that ``scheming`` is definitely > the wrong approach. My two > cents. I think they were joking (I hope) but I agree with your approach. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Joni, please come to Jonifest this year. We promise we won't fawn (OK, we promise we'll try not to?) and I think you'll love it. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:52:44 -0500 From: "Robert Argento" Subject: RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? Now this might just seem silly to a lot of you - but has anyone considered just ASKING her if she would like to attend? All of this planning, scheming and such.....ah well, I guess it makes for an interesting thread - but just ask her and if she wants to come, she will. And if she doesn't, well, she won't! Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of michael o'malley > Sent: den 6 januari 2004 21:35 > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? > > Susan said: > > ``I still think I have a way to get her there - but we must > start our plan in motion now. And my idea is for a > documentary on us!! Then we will jump from clips of the > jonifesters and our yearly rituals to an interview with Joni. > And at the end she will drive up in a limo to the performance > space and come in and listen to the show and then join in on > the song circle on the last night. Now tell me that doesn't > sound like a plan.`` > > Then Jim said: > > ``Of course, this is silly but... I think the key to getting > Joni is to getting Little Green on board first. > I'm thinking Kilauren do the persuading FOR us. I envision > her saying, "You know that Internet community did us a big > favor, eh? So... what about taking them up on this > invitation? The karma would be great." > Of course, she'd bring the VG-8. We'd *REALLY* have to get a > piano for that year!`` > > Then I say: > > I don't know how serious the authors of these comments are, > but personnaly I think both these ideas are perhaps suitable > for daydreams - but nothing more. > I hate to be a party pooper, but the idea of `scheming` to > get Joni to a fest irks me. Of course, like everyone else, I > would love to meet Joni someday, but frankly, I don't really > think we are so interesting a group, to the outside world, as > to warrant a documentary. Second, the idea of using K to > attract Joni to a fest is somewhat repulsive to me. Third, > the very last thing I think Joni would want, is to find > herself stuck in the woods somewhere, in a room full of > adoring strangers fawning all over her. She seems, to me, > very ambivalent and even uncomfortable with praise, attention > and adulation from her fans. > > I do think Joni should be sent a straightforward invitation > to our fests, but we can only respect her decision to accept > or decline - no explanation necessary. I think that > ``scheming`` is definitely the wrong approach. My two cents. > > Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 02:12:36 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 7 On January 7 the following articles were published: 1999: "Asner, Mitchell in anti-DreamWorks Documentary" - Reuters/Variety (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=318 2003: "Jobs inspires the faithful" - Mercury News (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1053 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:31:22 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Joni Covering I just took receipt of the Geffen Recordings from Joni's time with that company. It was a purchase I had no real enthusiasm for but bought on the strength of the recommendations made here on the sound quality and, god help me, the additional joni utterances attached thereto. I was playing the re-mastered NRH into work this morning and eventually got to listen to Joni's take on Dylan's 'it's all over now, baby blue'. I think it's just great. It alone is worth the 28 quid I paid amazon for this set. I sat in the parking lot at work and played the damned thing six times straight. I think she nails it beautifully. I've always liked joni covering the work of other artists. How do you Stop, Cool Water and, more controversially perhaps, all of Both Sides Now. But with 'It's all over' I'm arriving at the opinion that here at last is the work of a contemporary and artist (Dylan) worthy of her attention. Of course it's always a bit thorny, the covering thing. People hold super precious the 'original' artist's take on the song being covered. I'm slightly familiar with Dylan's version of this one but, as with all Dylan's work, I kinda run into the rocks of this voice. I'm not a great fan of how he sounds so choose not to get near the work of the man. I think that may be mellowing a bit with (my) age but the prejudice lingers on. Anyway I'm fairly sure that Joan's take on this song wanders away from the original - a safe bet, I'm sure. It brings to mind the compilation (famous blue raincoat) that jennifer warnes did of leonard cohen's work. I thought it was superb. She is such a great voice and he is 'all that' as a song writer. But if you agree that joni's cover of dylan is at least worthy and are familiar with the man's work, what, from Dylan's vast catalogue, would constitute good cover material for Joan when she goes to record a cd's worth of this work - as surely she won't! (but we can dream...) Or are there songs from other artists that you think would merit our joan's attention? Les (London) Npimh (It's all over now, baby blue : Joni Mitchell stylee) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #6 *************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)