From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #4 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, January 5 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 004 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- it doesn't get better (njc) [rholliston@HighSpeedPlus.com] Re: Joni Compilation Project Update (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: joni interview clips ["Wally Kairuz" ] Fw: joni interview clips (for AOL users) [Emiliano ] RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? [Steven Blue ] RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? [Steven Blue ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_The_Boho_Dance_/_Bj=F6rk?= ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Harry Chapin (NJC) [Steven Blue ] Re: Harry Chapin (NJC) [magsnbrei ] RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? (top ten) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" <] Re: joni interview clips ["Kate Bennett" ] joni's defense of ronstadt ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: joni's defense of ronstadt [Catherine McKay ] RE: Beat the blues, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: crash course in jazz music?? njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: joni's defense of ronstadt ["kakki" ] Hair Band (NJC) [TinkersOwn@aol.com] "Heart Alive In Seattle" on DVD, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: joni's defense of ronstadt NJC ["kakki" ] membership's profile NJC [Emiliano ] joni mention ["Rache A" ] Re: Hair Band (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Joni on Jep! and an update on my DVD player (a little long) [PassScribe@a] Today in History: January 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: January 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 03:14:31 -0800 From: rholliston@HighSpeedPlus.com Subject: it doesn't get better (njc) I just got back to Victoria, B.C. after a wonderful visit to New York and Boston. (It's colder here - and snowier/icier - than it was there, which is weird and atypical.....) I want to wish everybody a peaceful and happy 2004. My vocabulary could never do justice to the wonderful time I had out East. The JMDL has been a conduit for many friendships, and I got to see and spend (as they say) quality time with friends like Patrick Leader, Kay Ashley, Heather Galli, Chuck Eisenhardt, Barbara Hindley, Ashara Stansfield, Jenny and Eric, Maggie, Bob (Smurf), and dear Jody. I missed Ric, but at least I got to speak with him on the phone. These people have become my (off-list) friends: little did I suspect when I became a JMDLer in 1998 that I'd meet, let alone learn to love, such wonderful people. See you all in August!! Much love, Roberto np: me and Susan Guzzi kicking ass with "Love Me Or Leave Me ;-)" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 07:58:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Compilation Project Update (NJC) **If you think this is good maybe we ought to put together a bhair bandb act for the next Jonifest ** I'm in, I've got plenty of Spandex that I work out in - but no fireworks! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:28:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: joni interview clips doug, thank you for this! the interview clips are GREAT! you gotta watch joni's face when the interviewer mentions ian and silvia and gordon lightfoot. and when joni discusses the "new and improved" concept... well, vintage joni stuff. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Doug > Enviado el: Sabado, 03 de Enero de 2004 03:27 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: joni interview clips > > > Don't know how long this has been up. A short bio, some pics and > interview sound clips on page 3 > http://artscanada.cbc.ca/artsNow/index.jsp?label=mitchell020226&uid= > Doug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 15:26:02 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: joni interview clips (for AOL users) Wally says: doug, thank you for this! the interview clips are GREAT! you gotta watch joni's face when the interviewer mentions ian and silvia and gordon lightfoot. and when joni discusses the "new and improved" concept... well, vintage joni stuff. wally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:03 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? Susan Guzzi wrote: "And at the end she (Joni) will drive up in a limo to the performance space and come in and listen to the show and then join in on the song circle on the last night. Now tell me that doesn't sound like a plan." Susan,I think that's a good plan that Joni just joins just the song circle if she comes. With the tight time precision and meticulous organistion of all the early evening performances if Joni doesn't book in she wouldn't get a slot :~) Who would want to give up hearing all the amazing Festers to hear Joni? (Not a single thunderbolt has come down from above) I remember your stonking version of Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire, my dear Susan. Maybe Ashara and the Fest organisers would consider extending the gig for a few minutes at the end if Joni shows and wants to do a couple of tunes. Yeah - I could live with that. Happy New Year to all my jmdl mates. Yours (a very jolly) Anita xx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 10:08:52 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Epiphany, NJC Hi Ya'll, Here is the sermon my priest gave to us yesterday. It is written to Christians but can also uplift and challenge all spiritual people. Joni often writes about stars or star light... a favorite topic of mine too! Enjoy! With love, Laura The Epiphany of the Lord By Fr. Warren Harvey Jan. 4, 2004 One summer morning, three North Little Rock gardeners were preparing to take their early morning crops into Little Rock to the River Market. All three of them belonged to different religions. Soon two of them were engaged in a heated debate comparing their religions to decide which one was the true religion. The oldest among them, sat quietly listening to the debate. Suddenly the two turned to him and asked, "Decide for us. Which religion is the right one?" The old gardener rubbed his chin and said thoughtfully, "Well, you know there are four ways to get from here to the River Market. You can go right over the river on the Broadway Bridge. Then you have to make a left turn onto Markham to get to the River Market. Or, you can go across the river on the Main Street Bridge. That would be quicker. Or, you can go across the river on the I-30 Bridge. You would take the first exit after you cross the river, and it will take you right to the River Market. Or, you could just cross the river on a boat. He paused and then added, "But you know, when you get to the River Market with your produce, the people in the market who are looking to buy fresh produce won't ask you how you came. All they'll ask is, 'Man, how good is your produce?'" In the stories of Jesus' birth, two special groups of people came to visit the new-born babe: the shepherds and the magi. The church has no special feast to commemorate the visit of the shepherds, but we have this special feast of Epiphany today to celebrate the visit of the magi. Why is that? It is because the visit of the magi is an eye-opener. The shepherds learnt of the birth of Jesus through a direct revelation from angels appearing in the midnight sky. This is direct and supernatural revelation. Many of us have no problem with that. The magi, on the other hand, learnt of the birth of Jesus by observing a star. The star did not say anything to them. They had to interpret this natural sign of the star to know what it meant and where it led. If we remember that the magi or the three wise men were nature worshippers, people who divined God's will by reading the movements of the stars and other heavenly bodies, then we can see how the visit of the magi challenges some of our popular beliefs. Like the gardeners, religious people of all persuasions tend to think that their religious tradition is the only way to God. This is what some of us hear when we hear such words of Jesus as: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). We hastily conclude that the way of God equals the way of our religious tradition. Yet the word of God cautions us against such narrow interpretation. "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the Lord" (Isaiah 55:8). That is why we are fascinated with the story of the visit of the magi. It is a unique story that opens our eyes to the fact that God is not limited to any one religious tradition. Notice how people of different religious traditions came to know that the Son of God was born. The shepherds who were regarded as unclean and could not take part in Temple worship without undergoing purification came to know through a direct vision of angels. The magi knew through a reading of the stars. And King Herod's attendants came to know through searching the scriptures. Visions, stars, scriptures - different ways of arriving at the same truth. Of course this does not mean that any religious tradition is just as good as the other. Notice how Matthew indicates that when the guiding star got to Jerusalem, its light failed, and the magi had to consult the scriptures to direct them to Bethlehem. Over and above the natural light of the star, the magi still needed the supernatural light of scripture to finally get to Jesus. Yet the crucial question in the story remains: Who actually got to find Jesus? Herod and his scribes who had the scriptures failed to find Jesus, but the magi who followed the natural light of the stars were able to find him. Why? Because the Jewish authorities, even though they possessed the shining truth of revealed scriptures, did not follow it. They did not walk in the light of the scriptures. The magi, on the other hand, who enjoyed only a star light, followed its guidance. It is not the possession of the truth that matters, it is how prepared we are to walk in the light of the truth that we possess. It is better to have the dim light of the stars and follow it than to have the bright light of the holy scriptures and neglect it. As Christians, we believe that our religion possesses the fullness of truth. But, what does that benefit us if we do not walk in the truth? Nature worshippers or non-believers who are sincerely committed to following the dim light of natural reason may arrive at Jesus before Christians who have the exalted truths revealed by God who do not walk the walk of faith. This is the challenging truth we celebrate today in the story of the pagan wise men who seek and find the Lord. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Blue Subject: RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? Hey everbody, You know me in and out, out and in. BTW, we got Saddam didn4t we! We Ehhh Kakki, bet you wondered where I vanished to.................anyway, gang, I chime in every now and again, so here is my two cents............................ At William Penn College Years ago, we had Harry Chapin visit and perform, and kinda the same theme, trying to figure a way to have him all to ourselves, so here is what Harry did for us.............. After the concert was over, he kept everything in place and invited us up to the stage. Just him and us. We could not get up there all the way, so he came down and sat with us, just us and it was EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not know if the woman of my dreams would come that close, but she feels the love let me tell you, Harry Chapin sure did, so I think if someone knows an inside track to her front office, she might agree to something like that. Harry also returned just for our small group for a small fee (in his case it covered the travel and hotel), we split the cost and once again, for the last time in his life and ours we hung out BIG time. If you all know, Harry died in a plane crash shortly afterwards. Just thought I would kick that idea around. Kakki Germany is once again cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Peace everyone Steve Anita Gabrielle Tedder wrote: Susan Guzzi wrote: "And at the end she (Joni) will drive up in a limo to the performance space and come in and listen to the show and then join in on the song circle on the last night. Now tell me that doesn't sound like a plan." Susan,I think that's a good plan that Joni just joins just the song circle if she comes. With the tight time precision and meticulous organistion of all the early evening performances if Joni doesn't book in she wouldn't get a slot :~) Who would want to give up hearing all the amazing Festers to hear Joni? (Not a single thunderbolt has come down from above) I remember your stonking version of Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire, my dear Susan. Maybe Ashara and the Fest organisers would consider extending the gig for a few minutes at the end if Joni shows and wants to do a couple of tunes. Yeah - I could live with that. Happy New Year to all my jmdl mates. Yours (a very jolly) Anita xx Steven A. Blue Atoll Law Enforcement APO AP 96558 Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Blue Subject: RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? Hey everbody, You know me in and out, out and in. BTW, we got Saddam didn4t we! We Ehhh Kakki, bet you wondered where I vanished to.................anyway, gang, I chime in every now and again, so here is my two cents............................ At William Penn College Years ago, we had Harry Chapin visit and perform, and kinda the same theme, trying to figure a way to have him all to ourselves, so here is what Harry did for us.............. After the concert was over, he kept everything in place and invited us up to the stage. Just him and us. We could not get up there all the way, so he came down and sat with us, just us and it was EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not know if the woman of my dreams would come that close, but she feels the love let me tell you, Harry Chapin sure did, so I think if someone knows an inside track to her front office, she might agree to something like that. Harry also returned just for our small group for a small fee (in his case it covered the travel and hotel), we split the cost and once again, for the last time in his life and ours we hung out BIG time. If you all know, Harry died in a plane crash shortly afterwards. Just thought I would kick that idea around. Kakki Germany is once again cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Peace everyone Steve Anita Gabrielle Tedder wrote: Susan Guzzi wrote: "And at the end she (Joni) will drive up in a limo to the performance space and come in and listen to the show and then join in on the song circle on the last night. Now tell me that doesn't sound like a plan." Susan,I think that's a good plan that Joni just joins just the song circle if she comes. With the tight time precision and meticulous organistion of all the early evening performances if Joni doesn't book in she wouldn't get a slot :~) Who would want to give up hearing all the amazing Festers to hear Joni? (Not a single thunderbolt has come down from above) I remember your stonking version of Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire, my dear Susan. Maybe Ashara and the Fest organisers would consider extending the gig for a few minutes at the end if Joni shows and wants to do a couple of tunes. Yeah - I could live with that. Happy New Year to all my jmdl mates. Yours (a very jolly) Anita xx Steven A. Blue Atoll Law Enforcement APO AP 96558 Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Blue Subject: RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? Hey everbody, You know me in and out, out and in. BTW, we got Saddam didn4t we! We Ehhh Kakki, bet you wondered where I vanished to.................anyway, gang, I chime in every now and again, so here is my two cents............................ At William Penn College Years ago, we had Harry Chapin visit and perform, and kinda the same theme, trying to figure a way to have him all to ourselves, so here is what Harry did for us.............. After the concert was over, he kept everything in place and invited us up to the stage. Just him and us. We could not get up there all the way, so he came down and sat with us, just us and it was EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not know if the woman of my dreams would come that close, but she feels the love let me tell you, Harry Chapin sure did, so I think if someone knows an inside track to her front office, she might agree to something like that. Harry also returned just for our small group for a small fee (in his case it covered the travel and hotel), we split the cost and once again, for the last time in his life and ours we hung out BIG time. If you all know, Harry died in a plane crash shortly afterwards. Just thought I would kick that idea around. Kakki Germany is once again cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Peace everyone Steve Anita Gabrielle Tedder wrote: Susan Guzzi wrote: "And at the end she (Joni) will drive up in a limo to the performance space and come in and listen to the show and then join in on the song circle on the last night. Now tell me that doesn't sound like a plan." Susan,I think that's a good plan that Joni just joins just the song circle if she comes. With the tight time precision and meticulous organistion of all the early evening performances if Joni doesn't book in she wouldn't get a slot :~) Who would want to give up hearing all the amazing Festers to hear Joni? (Not a single thunderbolt has come down from above) I remember your stonking version of Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire, my dear Susan. Maybe Ashara and the Fest organisers would consider extending the gig for a few minutes at the end if Joni shows and wants to do a couple of tunes. Yeah - I could live with that. Happy New Year to all my jmdl mates. Yours (a very jolly) Anita xx Steven A. Blue Atoll Law Enforcement APO AP 96558 Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:23:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_The_Boho_Dance_/_Bj=F6rk?= I'm not that familiar with bjork's music but my guess is that joni would agree with you...when I saw the first walden woods benefit, with joni, bjork, & many other talented female singers...bjork was the one that joni clearly showed her preference towards... >That's a real pity. I think Bjvrk is one of the rare "royals" in music that are going to last in the books of history. She has created a total new art form. Her version of any Joni Mitchell songs would be definetely a real Version. G'n H< Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:56:43 -0600 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Harry Chapin (NJC) I thought Harry Chapin died in an automobile accident. Steven Blue wrote: >Hey everbody, > > You know me in and out, out and in. BTW, we got Saddam didn4t we! We Ehhh Kakki, bet you wondered where I vanished to.................anyway, gang, I chime in every now and again, so here is my two cents............................ > >At William Penn College Years ago, we had Harry Chapin visit and perform, and kinda the same theme, trying to figure a way to have him all to ourselves, so here is what Harry did for us.............. > >After the concert was over, he kept everything in place and invited us up to the stage. Just him and us. We could not get up there all the way, so he came down and sat with us, just us and it was EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Do not know if the woman of my dreams would come that close, but she feels the love let me tell you, Harry Chapin sure did, so I think if someone knows an inside track to her front office, she might agree to something like that. > >Harry also returned just for our small group for a small fee (in his case it covered the travel and hotel), we split the cost and once again, for the last time in his life and ours we hung out BIG time. If you all know, Harry died in a plane crash shortly afterwards. > >Just thought I would kick that idea around. > >Kakki Germany is once again cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > >Peace everyone > >Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 12:12:04 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Blue Subject: Re: Harry Chapin (NJC) Please excuse me while I get my foot out of my mouth! I was in a three way conversation when typing that one. Yes I believe it was an automobile crash, but the basic thought should prevail here. Perhaps Joni can use an alternate way of satisfying everyone, including herself. (OopsO) SAB David Sadowski wrote: I thought Harry Chapin died in an automobile accident. Steven Blue wrote: >Hey everbody, > > You know me in and out, out and in. BTW, we got Saddam didn4t we! We Ehhh Kakki, bet you wondered where I vanished to.................anyway, gang, I chime in every now and again, so here is my two cents............................ > >At William Penn College Years ago, we had Harry Chapin visit and perform, and kinda the same theme, trying to figure a way to have him all to ourselves, so here is what Harry did for us.............. > >After the concert was over, he kept everything in place and invited us up to the stage. Just him and us. We could not get up there all the way, so he came down and sat with us, just us and it was EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Do not know if the woman of my dreams would come that close, but she feels the love let me tell you, Harry Chapin sure did, so I think if someone knows an inside track to her front office, she might agree to something like that. > >Harry also returned just for our small group for a small fee (in his case it covered the travel and hotel), we split the cost and once again, for the last time in his life and ours we hung out BIG time. If you all know, Harry died in a plane crash shortly afterwards. > >Just thought I would kick that idea around. > >Kakki Germany is once again cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > >Peace everyone > >Steve Steven A. Blue Atoll Law Enforcement APO AP 96558 Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 12:51:41 -0800 (PST) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Harry Chapin (NJC) My understanding is that Harry Chapin was driving into NYC, coming in from Long Island...and he suffered a fatal "occurrence" (heart attack/stroke??) and that caused a car accident. He did not die in a plane, as far as I know. Mags. David Sadowski wrote: I thought Harry Chapin died in an automobile accident. Steven Blue wrote > >At William Penn College Years ago, we had Harry Chapin visit and perform, and kinda the same theme, trying to figure a way to have him all to ourselves, so here is what Harry did for us.............. > >After the concert was over, he kept everything in place and invited us up to the stage. Just him and us. We could not get up there all the way, so he came down and sat with us, just us and it was EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Harry also returned just for our small group for a small fee (in his case it covered the travel and hotel), we split the cost and once again, for the last time in his life and ours we hung out BIG time. If you all know, Harry died in a plane crash shortly afterwards. > >Just thought I would kick that idea around. > >Kakki Germany is once again cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > >Peace everyone > >Steve ***** your absence has gone through me like thread through a needle everything i do is stitched with its colour. w.s.merwin Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:39:56 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Joni, will you come to the fest? (top ten) Of course, this is silly but... I think the key to getting Joni is to getting Little Green on board first. I'm thinking Kilauren do the persuading FOR us. I envision her saying, "You know that Internet community did us a big favor, eh? So... what about taking them up on this invitation? The karma would be great." Of course, she'd bring the VG-8. We'd *REALLY* have to get a piano for that year! All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:44:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: joni interview clips They are great! They early ones remind me again of how self aware joni was at a relatively young age... http://artscanada.cbc.ca/artsNow/index.jsp?label=mitchell020226&uid= Kate www.katebennett.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" The All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:29:22 +0100 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: joni's defense of ronstadt I don't think this deserves the njc tag, but does it? I was reminded of Joni's defense of Linda Ronstadt's appearance in South Africa during apartheid when reading the article after Dog Eat Dog appeared (today in history januari 4) It's crazy, is my honest opinion. Ronstadt was wrong, it's that simple. In 1986 it was impossible to perform in South Africa in all innocence. Really, Ronstadt was lured by big money and nothing else. You guys must have discussed this issue time and time agian ont hsi list.......I'm sorry. Paul of the Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:49:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni's defense of ronstadt --- Paul Mepschen wrote: > I don't think this deserves the njc tag, but does > it? I was reminded of Joni's > defense of Linda Ronstadt's appearance in South > Africa during apartheid when > reading the article after Dog Eat Dog appeared > (today in history januari 4) > It's crazy, is my honest opinion. Ronstadt was > wrong, it's that simple. In > 1986 it was impossible to perform in South Africa in > all innocence. Really, > Ronstadt was lured by big money and nothing else. > > You guys must have discussed this issue time and > time agian ont hsi > list.......I'm sorry. This may have been discussed before. If it has, I don't remember (therefore, it wasn't discussed, as far as I'm concerned.) As a person who almost always looks at life from both sides now and therefore has difficulty deciding on such things as what to wear, what to have for dinner, who to vote for and so on... I think there are valid arguments made for both sides. On the one hand, if you boycott something (whether it was products from South Africa at the time, or being part of a show put on in South Africa at the time), you may be showing your disdain for apartheid and proving your point that way. On the other hand, you would potentially also be depriving the population you want to help of income because they could potentially be earning income off the goods you would be buying from their (apartheid) country. As a performing artist, presumably you would also be performing for the black and "coloured" population of South Africa, as well as for the white people. As a performing artist, you could make some kind of statement, overt or covert depending on how lucky you were feeling, in your act. Yes, the almight dollar speaks but I'm sure Linda Ronstadt could have made big bucks performing elsewhere (unless her career was in a slump at the time and SA was all there was, in which case, maybe she needed the money enough to go?). I wonder what Linda would say about it now? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:21:08 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Beat the blues, njc More: * Ultimately you have to come to some peace within. It all comes down to faith- about oneself- that 'you'll be alright', that the world is not totally mad (and you are the only sane one there- or visa versa), and that there is a reason, somewhere, for everything. * Talk to people who have depression. Talk to people who don't have depression, but who understand that it is a very real condition that effects you physically, emotionally, and spiritually. Ask them to let you know when they think your depression is starting to become a problem again - it's very sneaky and you may not realize it's happening. * Do things you love. If you have lost interest in everything, do things you know you *used* to love. * Music works for me - always has. * Be a realist * Don't sweat the small stuff * Keep growing; never "retire" * Trust some sort of spiritual being All the best, King of Pain ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:30:49 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: crash course in jazz music?? njc On my Olympus camera list someone posted a link to some pictures he shot of Miles Davis. Here's the best one: http://tinyurl.com/2tko5 Those were the days when it was okay to take a camera and walk down front for a few minutes, as long as one didn't use flash. To my knowledge, no performers were hurt by this practice. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:41:31 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni, will you come to the fest? Hi Steven, What a cool story about you and your friends orchestrating the meeting and jam session with Harry Chapin! He was very beloved. I think those kinds of things may have happened more "back in the day" than now. Life and the music scene was a little more free form and not as "corporatized" and made distanced and complex by agents and legalities as today and performers seemed more inclined to meet up and hang out. I have friends who have had similar experiences and I've had a few myself (but only with those who had come up back then). I think Joni could have an inclination to get together, but she could also have an inclination not to! Hard to say. Hope you are staying safe! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:48:46 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: joni's defense of ronstadt Catherine, You make excellent points. It's easy to get caught up in certain protest tactics because one believes in the underlying cause, but the reality is that many innocent people can be hurt by them while the powerful go on to find another way to land on their feet. It would be interesting to hear what Ron might say about those days. I recall that Linda was very popular at the time (so I assume she was already earning lots of money) and I don't know what her motivation was - maybe she has discussed it somewhere in some interview. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:48:05 EST From: TinkersOwn@aol.com Subject: Hair Band (NJC) Paz wrote: >> Bob you need to increase your meds dawg. If you think this is good maybe >we ought to put together a "hair band" act for the next Jonifest with all >the stage regalia (pyro, costumes, hair spray, etc. ooo ooo oo we can even >have a tour manager) and oput a set together for next summer. HEY CHUCK!!!! >Get out your spandex!!!!!!!! Count me in! As a roadie, if nothing else! Not sure about the spandex... :) Wishing all my Joni friends a very healthy and happy 2004. ################################################ Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@aol.com "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:13:39 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Heart Alive In Seattle" on DVD, njc Yo! Shout out to my friend Nikki Johnson. Years ago she spun a Heart show (from radio) for me and I found out Heart does a great live show. Heart has a DVD out called "Heart Alive In Seattle" and wow, do they deliver! It is even edited well. For example, when the music takes an unexpected turn, we see a quick cut to Nancy, turning her head in surprise. Yes, Ann can still sing like Robert Plant. From the first song it's clear that she's in complete control of every perfect-pitch screech. She's probably had some expert advice along the way about caring for her instrument. (Ahem. 'Nuff said.) Nancy (the guitar-playing hottie) is married to former Rolling Stone writer Cameron Crowe. She's credited with scoring his movie "ALMOST FAMOUS", so it is possible she picked Sir Elton John's "MONA LISAS AND MAD HATTERS" for the soundtrack. Anyway, Heart's take is included here. At one point, one of them mentions some guy and her sister says, "He's very clean!" There's no laughter on the soundtrack but since I just watched "A HARD DAY'S NIGHT" recently, I "got" it. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:19:04 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: joni's defense of ronstadt NJC Hi, Catherine, Paul, Kakki &... let me be skeptical: I really doubt about the benefits that a show from a "megastar" could bring to the oppressed people in South Africa in ?what date? I think that an international boycott against a nation's regime notorious disregarding the Human's Rights is something who oughts to be respected. At least a wordly know singer/group shouldn't act there (how many black people could allow the cost for a concert like that?) Indeed, I still think m7o7n7e7y is the only cause (the desire to expand in new markets) Anyway, I won't diss anyone for doing what I think isn't right: there it goes anyone with its conscience and the image s/he's giving to the world! But IMO it's banned to act more than 3 nights in Las Vegas, anyway! Excuse me for this post, but I needed to say something after reading (in the discussed article) the name of our national shame, puajjjjj! Quick! My salts! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Borderline, 5 June '3, UCLA - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Catherine McKay" Para: "Paul Mepschen" ; Enviado: lunes, 05 de enero de 2004 0:49 Asunto: Re: joni's defense of ronstadt > --- Paul Mepschen wrote: > > I don't think this deserves the njc tag, but does > > it? I was reminded of Joni's > > defense of Linda Ronstadt's appearance in South > > Africa during apartheid when > > reading the article after Dog Eat Dog appeared > > (today in history januari 4) > > It's crazy, is my honest opinion. Ronstadt was > > wrong, it's that simple. In > > 1986 it was impossible to perform in South Africa in > > all innocence. Really, > > Ronstadt was lured by big money and nothing else. > > > > You guys must have discussed this issue time and > > time agian ont hsi > > list.......I'm sorry. > > This may have been discussed before. If it has, I > don't remember (therefore, it wasn't discussed, as far > as I'm concerned.) As a person who almost always looks > at life from both sides now and therefore has > difficulty deciding on such things as what to wear, > what to have for dinner, who to vote for and so on... > I think there are valid arguments made for both sides. > On the one hand, if you boycott something (whether it > was products from South Africa at the time, or being > part of a show put on in South Africa at the time), > you may be showing your disdain for apartheid and > proving your point that way. On the other hand, you > would potentially also be depriving the population you > want to help of income because they could potentially > be earning income off the goods you would be buying > from their (apartheid) country. As a performing > artist, presumably you would also be performing for > the black and "coloured" population of South Africa, > as well as for the white people. As a performing > artist, you could make some kind of statement, overt > or covert depending on how lucky you were feeling, in > your act. > > Yes, the almight dollar speaks but I'm sure Linda > Ronstadt could have made big bucks performing > elsewhere (unless her career was in a slump at the > time and SA was all there was, in which case, maybe > she needed the money enough to go?). > > I wonder what Linda would say about it now? > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:43:35 -0800 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: joni's defense of ronstadt NJC Hi Emiliano, you wrote: > I think that an international boycott against a nation's regime notorious > disregarding the Human's Rights is something who oughts to be respected. At > least a wordly know singer/group shouldn't act there (how many black people > could allow the cost for a concert like that?) I guess the question is about the distinction between protesting against a regime and refusing to pay any money towards any business or product originating from the country under that regime. The people who were victims of the regime may or may not be able to afford the concert, but perhaps they were employed by the concert venue. It seems if all commerce is cut off from a country one disagrees with, the people who are most hurt are the workers or others who become more impoverished because of the overall impact to the economy. Then again, if they are living in a kind of slavery to begin with, they may not be benefiting one way or the other, regardless of a boycott or not. It's like the U.S. boycott of Cuba all these years. Theoretically, if they could get an influx of U.S. tourist and development dollars, their country could be enriched and move into the 20th century. But as long as they live under a repressive regime, it is hard to imagine how individuals could really benefit and prosper. But it is all speculative in my personal experience - that is why it would be interesting to hear from someone who actually lived through that time in that country. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:43:43 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: membership's profile NJC Hi, Jerry! I don't know if this was posted by you before but, could you please tell us the story behind the wondrous photo's displaying in your membership profile? I've got the feeling this arm isn't yours ;-) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Nick of Time, Bonnie Raitt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 21:58:39 -0500 From: "Rache A" Subject: joni mention this is from an article on tori amos that was in the globe & mail yesterday. there are three albums mentioned of a few she would talk about, song to a seagull being one. "...and Canadian-born Mitchell because she is the one singer-songwriter whose skill surpasses that of all others. 'She works with complicated melodies, and her storylines have such a poetic language,' says Amos. 'I'm a musician first, not a words person, and am drawn to people who manoeuvre a musical language in a way that I find unusual. There are plenty of people whose attitude I like, who I think have something to say, but few who are building a sonic architecture that hasn't been built before'. Mitchell sang about the Starmaker Machine..." _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:35:17 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hair Band (NJC) WELCOME BACK DULSON!!!!! Great to hear from you. I will be seeing you on the 15th in your neck of the woods. Hope you are ready to party! Happy New Year!!!!!! Love Paz P.S. GO LSU the NATIONAL Champs 2004!!!!!!!!!!! > Paz wrote: > >>> Bob you need to increase your meds dawg. If you think this is good maybe >> we ought to put together a "hair band" act for the next Jonifest with all >> the stage regalia (pyro, costumes, hair spray, etc. ooo ooo oo we can even >> have a tour manager) and oput a set together for next summer. HEY CHUCK!!!! >> Get out your spandex!!!!!!!! > > Count me in! As a roadie, if nothing else! Not sure about the spandex... :) > > Wishing all my Joni friends a very healthy and happy 2004. > > ################################################ > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@aol.com > "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com > "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org > "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 01:13:08 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Joni on Jep! and an update on my DVD player (a little long) Hi and Happy New Year to all, I didn't see it listed yet so I thought I'd be the first to inform you all (not that it's so important, mind you) that Jeopardy! started the new year off with a show containing an answer/question about Joni. The catagory was "Rock Music", the clue for $1,000; the answer was: "She made her top 40 debut with 1972's, You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio." Guess what? No one knew... (what a bunch of losers! ;-) ) Of course I knew but I don't get the thousand dollars. Alex said, after time expired & the beeper sounded, "And the 'she" in this case is Joni Mitchell." For those of you following the saga of my Panasonic DVD player that wouldn't... well, PLAY... it would play a DVD for a few minutes and then mysteriously just STOP, or worse, turn off completely. And the DVD that had the most problems was the new "Shadows and Light" DVD tht I got for Chrustmas. (I have an older VHS copy but I really wanted to watch/hear the quality of the DVD.) Anyway, I took the CD cleaning disc (with the little brush on it, to clean the laser lens) from my stereo and ran it through the DVD player. I then took my CD/DVD cleaning kit that my son gave me for Christmas and sprayed and cleaned ALL my DVD's (since I only have a dozen or so-including the JoniFest DVDs- this was no big deal. When I was done, I put S&L back in and played it... it played longer than ever before but still cut out three times. I next pressed "set-up" in my DVD player menu and went through all the options, even changing a few although I had no idea what i was doing on a few but I figured, "what the hey... it doesn't work worth a damn anyway." Anyhow, when I got all finished screwing around, I put the S&L disc back in andbmiracle of miraclesb it played all the way through with no problems. I tried each of my other discs and they all played with no problems. I even left the machine on and various discs playing for hours while I did other chores and things throughout the night and next day... everything kept playing with no cutting out. I checked the settings I had changed when I was screwing with the set-up menu and some had changed back to "default" settings. But all my DVD's are continuing to play with no problems, so I don't know what's happened but I'm happy. BTW, I LOVE that performance of "Shadows & Light" Joni does at the end of the show with the Persuasions and that organ-like keyboard backing them... they sound so good together! I get chills up & down my spine when I hear those harmonies bewtween Joni & the guys; I like to turn that baby up 'til the windows in my den vibrate to certain chords from the keyboard. And, to celebrate my DVD player finally working right, I watched my favorite movie, Harold & Maude (on DVD of course) after we took down the Christmas tree and decorations today. I've probably seen that movie a dozen times but I laugh and cry everytime I watch it... any other H&M lovers out there? Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 02:02:58 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 5 1979: Charles Mingus died at age 56 in Cuernavaca, Mexico - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 02:02:59 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: January 5 On January 5 the following article was published: 2003: "Joni Mitchell's Long and Restless Journey" - New York Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1049 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #4 *************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)